white line on vip 722 ota

[digital223]

Hello all,

I have an ota problem I can not find an answer to, searching DBStalk.
perhaps someone else has had the same problem and knows how to resolve it.

My ota [roof] antenna is connected to my 722.
In the HD portion of E*'s PG all ota listings are designated with yellow highlighting. All E*'s locals are blue. Fine.
When I select an E*local network channel, no problems.
When I select an ota channel, there is on the very top of the tv screen a thin white broken line which sort of flickers, almost like tearing . It is very annoying, and I prefer not to record any ota programs until I resolve this problem.
I am about 7 miles from all the networks. I get a signal strength of high 90's to 100 on most. The 722 initally scanned and saved 33 diffrent ota stations.
Anyone else having this problem ?
Any assistance would be appreciated.

[oljim]

What ant do you have, do you have an amp? Also check your TV and make sure the CC is off

[boylehome]

It sounds like your 722 is defective. If you have not tried this, remove all the OTA channels and save. Unplug the 722 from the AC power for 30 seconds or more. Once the 722 is back in operation, re-scan the OTA channels and save them. If the problem is still present, contact E* tech support to report the problem in hopes of replacing the 722.

[EXTACAMO]

Hello all,

I have an ota problem I can not find an answer to, searching DBStalk.
perhaps someone else has had the same problem and knows how to resolve it.

My ota [roof] antenna is connected to my 722.
In the HD portion of E*'s PG all ota listings are designated with yellow highlighting. All E*'s locals are blue. Fine.
When I select an E*local network channel, no problems.
When I select an ota channel, there is on the very top of the tv screen a thin white broken line which sort of flickers, almost like tearing . It is very annoying, and I prefer not to record any ota programs until I resolve this problem.
I am about 7 miles from all the networks. I get a signal strength of high 90's to 100 on most. The 722 initally scanned and saved 33 diffrent ota stations.
Anyone else having this problem ?
Any assistance would be appreciated.


It sounds like to me that you are seeing VITS and VIR signals. These are signals that are transmitted by local programmers along with their regular programming. These signals contain test information for signal optimization and closed caption info etc. In the old days of analog broadcasting these signals occupied scan lines not normally seen on normally overscaned TV's. You could try playing with the picture size settings on your TV to see if that helps.

[boylehome]

It sounds like to me that you are seeing VITS and VIR signals. These are signals that are transmitted by local programmers along with their regular programming. These signals contain test information for signal optimization and closed caption info etc. In the old days of analog broadcasting these signals occupied scan lines not normally seen on normally overscaned TV's. You could try playing with the picture size settings on your TV to see if that helps.That very well could be the problem. The HDTV may need a slight video placement adjustment for over scan or a change to the HDTV Setup in (MENU > 6 > 8 > "TV Type" resolution.

[digital223]

What ant do you have, do you have an amp? Also check your TV and make sure the CC is off


vhf/uhf antenna can't remember the mfr's name. it is in very good condition but about 10 years old. no amp i am getting very strong signals 90'-100 on most of 33 channels the vip722 scanned/saved.
cc is off.

[digital223]

It sounds like your 722 is defective. If you have not tried this, remove all the OTA channels and save. Unplug the 722 from the AC power for 30 seconds or more. Once the 722 is back in operation, re-scan the OTA channels and save them. If the problem is still present, contact E* tech support to report the problem in hopes of replacing the 722.

my 722 was just installed 4 days ago. brand new in a sealed box. great installer.
I have rescanned but never unplugged the 722 prior to dong so. will try and report back.

last night while scanning from channel to channel in HD/PG on of E*'s ota or one of the AT250 channel's pq did the same thing. i should have remembered the name or number of the channel.

more info: my tv has no atsc tuner, 1366x768, no hdmi.
tv is conneted with E*'s hdmi/dvi cable, from 722 to tv's dvi . 722 setup setup is 1801i/16:9

[digital223]

It sounds like to me that you are seeing VITS and VIR signals. These are signals that are transmitted by local programmers along with their regular programming. These signals contain test information for signal optimization and closed caption info etc. In the old days of analog broadcasting these signals occupied scan lines not normally seen on normally overscaned TV's. You could try playing with the picture size settings on your TV to see if that helps.

could my present vhf/uhf antenna or downlead play into this prob ?
i do have extra 3Ghz cable tailor made with matching crimped rf connectors. would replacing the present cable with the 3Ghz help. I think it would give better pq, and hopfully get rid of the prob. do you think doing that is worth the effort. present vhf/unf antenna cable is rg6 but no rating.

[EXTACAMO]

could my present vhf/uhf antenna or downlead play into this prob ?
i do have extra 3Ghz cable tailor made with matching crimped rf connectors. would replacing the present cable with the 3Ghz help. I think it would give better pq, and hopfully get rid of the prob. do you think doing that is worth the effort. present vhf/unf antenna cable is rg6 but no rating.


If infact you are seeing VITS and VIR signals the antenna or the cabling will not have any effect on what your seeing. It sounds like VITS and VIR but without seeing it for myself I'm just guessing. Those signals would be visible to you because your display is not over scaned enough. There is a remote possibility that a local station is transmitting these signals in the viewable region but I really doubt that. Are you seeing this on every local off air channel you get? Like I said before try adjusting either your display or going into the 722 menu and adjusting the resolution there. You are probably gonna have to play with both the display settings and the 722 to reach some sort of happy medium. You could try a different display as an experiment (like a CRT) just to see if the problem is still there.

[oljim]

I would try component cables and see if it is the same

[digital223]

If infact you are seeing VITS and VIR signals the antenna or the cabling will not have any effect on what your seeing. It sounds like VITS and VIR but without seeing it for myself I'm just guessing. Those signals would be visible to you because your display is not over scaned enough. There is a remote possibility that a local station is transmitting these signals in the viewable region but I really doubt that. Are you seeing this on every local off air channel you get? Like I said before try adjusting either your display or going into the 722 menu and adjusting the resolution there. You are probably gonna have to play with both the display settings and the 722 to reach some sort of happy medium. You could try a different display as an experiment (like a CRT) just to see if the problem is still there.


EXACTAMO,
thanks agin for your continuing help



i just got back from doing some more testing. and i found that this problem is present on many of the ota, E* locals, AT250 and Showtime channels [my entire subscription]. what complicates this prob is, sometimes it isn't present. or i'll switch channels, to a channel that i know the prob existed and it's gone. but switching again it reapears.

further inconclusive testing: with the test results stated below, i have come to the conclusion:

the problem is not created by any of the following signals ota, E* locals,
Att250, or the ota antenna.

test results:

i connected cheap component cables...... are you ready for this. white line GONE !
but pq SUCKS!

since his problem is sometimes intermitent, i would think the dvi/hdmi cable is bad or incompatable to the tv's dvi port; or the tv's dvi port is bad.
I know what is going on in your brain.....loose cable connection. not so i checked.

i learned something from this; many have stated that they use component rather than hdmi cables. after switching form one to the other, i can not understand that !
the pq using the dvi/hdmi input is far superior to the component input [except for that darn white s---!].
unless my cheapy cables, and i really mean cheapy, are not giving pq results. would i get with better results with a good set ofcomponent cables. ?
my understanding is dvi, hdmi inputs are digital, and component input is not. so how would anyone want to watch HDTV through a component input ?
with all the above being said.........any suggstions ?

[digital223]

I would try component cables and see if it is the same

Thanks oljim,

I must have been doing exactly that when you made you post.
please see my post to EXTACAMO.

[EXTACAMO]

EXACTAMO,
thanks agin for your continuing help



i just got back from doing some more testing. and i found that this problem is present on many of the ota, E* locals, AT250 and Showtime channels [my entire subscription]. what complicates this prob is, sometimes it isn't present. or i'll switch channels, to a channel that i know the prob existed and it's gone. but switching again it reapears.

further inconclusive testing: with the test results stated below, i have come to the conclusion:

the problem is not created by any of the following signals ota, E* locals,
Att250, or the ota antenna.

test results:

i connected cheap component cables...... are you ready for this. white line GONE !
but pq SUCKS!

since his problem is sometimes intermitent, i would think the dvi/hdmi cable is bad or incompatable to the tv's dvi port; or the tv's dvi port is bad.
I know what is going on in your brain.....loose cable connection. not so i checked.

i learned something from this; many have stated that they use component rather than hdmi cables. after switching form one to the other, i can not understand that !
the pq using the dvi/hdmi input is far superior to the component input [except for that darn white s---!].
unless my cheapy cables, and i really mean cheapy, are not giving pq results. would i get with better results with a good set ofcomponent cables. ?
my understanding is dvi, hdmi inputs are digital, and component input is not. so how would anyone want to watch HDTV through a component input ?
with all the above being said.........any suggstions ?


Well, it appears I was wrong about VITS and VIR. It does seem to be a cabling issue between the 722 and your TV. I use component video cables (red, green and blue) between my 622 and my old Toshiba 720p DLP as it does not have HDMI. The picture is pretty good although not as breathtaking as the newer models out now. I think I spent @ $30.00 for the 6ft. Good Luck!