View Full Version : Just got mine installed yesterday, but without 119, 100, and 103b?
jugernot
11-27-07, 10:55 AM
Up here in Alaska we use two dishes, one of which my installer didn't install and I don't get 119, 110 (I think?), or 103b.... he was saying that shouldn't be a big deal because they are switching all content over from those to the new Satellite.
He said I'd only be missing a few HD channels like ESPN HD until next month when they they switch em. Sounded a bit like BS to me, so I had him go up and check and he said he'd probably be able to get the second dish installed, but only if I specifically requested it because they were moving the channels.
True or false? What am I REALLY missing?
PS: I have the majority of the HD channels, FoodHD, HGTVHD, SciFIHD, MGMHD, etc.
EDIT: Apparently I am recieving 103b, I was mistaken.
EDIT2: OK, I went home last night and confirmed. You all are obviously correct, I am getting 103b. I am getting pretty strong signals on both 101 and 103b (in the 90s%) and am getting 100% on 99.
The general expectation is that DirecTV will eventually migrate the "old" HD over to the new mpeg4 streams from 103 (off of 110 and 119). However there is no "official" word that will happen, and there is no known timetable, at least that has been made public.
If it happens, my guess is that it will be over the next year or so, not the next month or so. As a result, you probably want to get the second dish.
Carl
bakers12
11-27-07, 11:35 AM
Some of the new HD channels will be received from a satellite, known as D11, planned for the 99 degree slot. That satellite is still on the ground. Even if it launches next month, it will be two months later before you'll get anything from it. Right now, the launch provider is delayed with another client's satellite.
veryoldschool
11-27-07, 11:37 AM
Dish "one" points to 99/101/103.
Dish "two" points to 110 & 119.
"If I were you", I'd want both.
You shouldve gotten the 5LNB and a HD receiver to get the networks in HD, if you didnt, call DirecTV and tell them somethings wrong with your locals!
Draconis
11-27-07, 12:56 PM
Remember, he lives in Alaska. The one dish he has picks up the 99/101/103 so he is good-to-go for the new HD feeds.
Without the second dish he will miss the HD feeds coming from the 110/119 which is mostly just the channels in the 70's and 80's. No big loss, most of the content is duplicated or it can be found elsewhere in the new HD channel lineup.
If he wants those channels, then he would need the second dish. Which may incur a additional charge for the "HD setup". Believe it or not, he has a "standard" installation for that region, not a HD one.
jugernot
11-27-07, 01:11 PM
Remember, he lives in Alaska. The one dish he has picks up the 99/101/103 so he is good-to-go for the new HD feeds.
Without the second dish he will miss the HD feeds coming from the 110/119 which is mostly just the channels in the 70's and 80's. No big loss, most of the content is duplicated or it can be found elsewhere in the new HD channel lineup.
If he wants those channels, then he would need the second dish. Which may incur a additional charge for the "HD setup". Believe it or not, he has a "standard" installation for that region, not a HD one.
Well... not really. My standard install included both dishes. He just chose not to put the second one up is all. He said I could get it if I wanted it, with the understanding that the content is going to be moved to the new satellite anyway. Anyway, seems to me that is would be dumb for Directv to just abandon those satellites after they move the content over to the mpeg4 ones. Seems to me they'd put new content in mpeg4 format on those older satellites, if capable?
veryoldschool
11-27-07, 01:18 PM
Well... not really. My standard install included both dishes. He just chose not to put the second one up is all. He said I could get it if I wanted it, with the understanding that the content is going to be moved to the new satellite anyway. Anyway, seems to me that is would be dumb for Directv to just abandon those satellites after they move the content over to the mpeg4 ones. Seems to me they'd put new content in mpeg4 format on those older satellites, if capable?
119 has more than HD. A lot of the programs that I watch still in SD come off the 119 SAT.
"I think" the 110 SAT will be the first to have channels moved since there are only three transponders coming from it.
While in DirecTV's "big plan" moving channels to the new SATs will happen, at the same time they need to still serve the older receivers for some time to come.
jugernot
11-27-07, 01:24 PM
119 has more than HD. A lot of the programs that I watch still in SD come off the 119 SAT.
"I think" the 110 SAT will be the first to have channels moved since there are only three transponders coming from it.
While in DirecTV's "big plan" moving channels to the new SATs will happen, at the same time they need to still serve the older receivers for some time to come.
Like I said above, wouldn't it be kind of a bad move to not use 110 and 119 to push out new mpeg4 content. That would assume they are architecturely capable.
What SD channels are on 119?
veryoldschool
11-27-07, 01:38 PM
Like I said above, wouldn't it be kind of a bad move to not use 110 and 119 to push out new mpeg4 content. That would assume they are architecturely capable.
What SD channels are on 119?
Apparently not as much as I thought: http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/directvusa119.html
I would assume they would get rid of the 72.5 first, then the 110. That still leaves the 119 for people w/ 2LNB dishes.
Pink Fairy
11-27-07, 02:34 PM
From what I have heard, it is rather difficult to pick up the 110/119 in Alaska, but if the technician simply did not do it out of laziness...well then I would want it installed :)
jugernot
11-27-07, 03:14 PM
From what I have heard, it is rather difficult to pick up the 110/119 in Alaska, but if the technician simply did not do it out of laziness...well then I would want it installed :)
Well, at first he said "It doesn't look like we are going to be able to setup the second dish for 110 and 119. But I will double check if you want me to..." at the end of the install, he went up on the roof and came down to say "Ok, looks like we can get that second dish for you, if you want it."
So I figured, I'd check online to see if they are going to be expanding onto those older satellites for more channels down the line or if they were just end of their useful lives.
Pink Fairy
11-27-07, 03:23 PM
Smart idea to do. But there is no telling when they actually going to migrate those channels, either.
The OP also said he is not receiving 103 (b) but is getting Food, MGM, etc.???
veryoldschool
11-27-07, 03:29 PM
The OP also said he is not receiving 103 (b) but is getting Food, MGM, etc.???
The thread title also has 100, so one must "discount" a bit. I'd guess 103a.
RobertE
11-27-07, 08:14 PM
Take it for what its worth, but here's what I know.
110 & 119 currently carry legacy HD (ch 70-79), some international channels (Para Todos & Jade) and locals in some markets.
95 is the rest of the internationals (I despise that dish BTW. :mad: )
72.5 locals in select markets.
From what I've been told, a lot hinges on D11.
Current HD on 110/119 gets shifted to 99/103.
72.5 market locals (SD & HD) get moved to 99/103/110/119. The lease then expires on the 72.5
95 may get intergrated into future revision of the slimline.
The one dish for everyone. (AK & HI excluded, sorry. )
manhole
11-28-07, 12:38 AM
95 may get intergrated into future revision of the slimline.
I would love that... I want to order one of the international channel packages, but I will not because I do not want a 2nd dish.
95 is the rest of the internationals (I despise that dish BTW. :mad: )
95 may get intergrated into future revision of the slimline.
... Have you ever seen the international dish?
How about that WIIIIDE one that does the 95 and the 101.
Damn thing is huge. But I suppose you could get atleast the 99, 101, and 103 on it.
jbraden
11-28-07, 10:41 AM
Well, at first he said "It doesn't look like we are going to be able to setup the second dish for 110 and 119. But I will double check if you want me to..." at the end of the install, he went up on the roof and came down to say "Ok, looks like we can get that second dish for you, if you want it."
So I figured, I'd check online to see if they are going to be expanding onto those older satellites for more channels down the line or if they were just end of their useful lives.
Actually, it should be easier to get 110 & 119 in Alaska than the 99/101/103 satellites, since they'd be higher on the horizon. I think that's why Dish seems to have a lead on DirecTV there. If the installation was supposed to include the second dish, I'd want to get it. Among other things, 119 has guide data for the HD content being broadcast on 103b, so if you don't have 119 you have to periodically tune to something on the 101 satellite to get updated guide info.
Jugernot, I'm really interested in finding more information about the setup for the dish you have now. I assume they used a DTVAHKAKUKIT to receive the signals for the three satellites. Does the LNB on your dish look like the one shown on the left here (http://www.zintech.com.tw/image/Product/LNBF/KA%20-%20KU%20LNB.jpg)? What kind of dish was required? The reason I ask is because many of us in the lower 48 states have problems seeing all of the satellites from a single location because of trees. We've found work-arounds using the old discontinued AT9 satellite dish like this (http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1079192&postcount=164), but the new Slimline dish doesn't work in these setups. I think an Alaska-style dish would solve the problem for people who can no longer find old AT9s. Any details you can provide would be much appreciated! If you have contact information for your installer, that would be helpful too.
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