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protosphere
12-01-07, 02:21 PM
hey guys, long time lurker first time poster! :p
anywho I just installed my own slimline dish (installer wouldn't install it the way i wanted it so i went ahead and did it myself) I'm not picking up any signal on the 119 at all im getting 92/93 on the 101 and about 85/86 on all transponders on the 103b, im just wondering why i cant pick up the 119, i have a completely clear shot of all sat positions (even aimed my dual lnb around and could pick up the 110,119 and 101) any help on the matter would be appreciated :p
Is your mast completely plumb, and is your tilt set to the correct initial value?
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protosphere
12-01-07, 03:32 PM
ya mast is plumb tilt is set correctly, even tried slowly adjusting the tilt to try and bring in any signal possible.
veryoldschool
12-01-07, 03:37 PM
ya mast is plumb tilt is set correctly, even tried slowly adjusting the tilt to try and bring in any signal possible.
Still sounds like a tilt issue.
What do you have for 110?
protosphere
12-01-07, 04:20 PM
8 = 83
10 = 77
12 = 85
veryoldschool
12-01-07, 04:48 PM
8 = 83
10 = 77
12 = 85
While they could be slightly higher, they're high enough to point to the tilt being close enough for some reading off 119. [also it means the receiver is pulling out the voltage and tone needed for 119].
Maybe a bad LNB?
litzdog911
12-01-07, 04:49 PM
That's unusual. Could be a defective LNB or multiswitch. Is the dish connected directly to your receiver, or are you using an external multiswitch? And you're 100% certain that nothing is blocking your dish's view of 119-deg W (tree, roof overhang)?
protosphere
12-01-07, 04:54 PM
ill run a line from the dish to a ird and let you know the readings
protosphere
12-01-07, 05:02 PM
hmm was getting pretty much 97's across the board on the 119 when i run a line from the dish to the ird, tried switching all the connections at the multiswitch to no avail, thinking i need a new multiswitch =/
litzdog911
12-01-07, 06:13 PM
hmm was getting pretty much 97's across the board on the 119 when i run a line from the dish to the ird, tried switching all the connections at the multiswitch to no avail, thinking i need a new multiswitch =/
Yep. Nice troubleshooting.
Are you using a Zinwell WB68 multiswitch?
I'm not picking up any signal on the 119 at all im getting 92/93 on the 101 and about 85/86 on all transponders on the 103b, im just wondering why i cant pick up the 119, i have a completely clear shot of all sat positions
Is your mast completely plumb, and is your tilt set to the correct initial value?
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I'm with Stew on this one. Experienced similar results on an install. Turned out to be a plumb / tilt issue. I'd definitely check it again.
I seem to have similar problem. I lose signal on 119 satellite odd transponders. I use WB68 switch. When I remove it I get 95-97 signal strength on odd transponders. When I put back WB68 I either get good signal or no signal on odd transponders. I thought it was a switch so I got another one, and I am still having the same problem. Also I noticed that there is some loss signal strength going thru WB68. I am thinking about getting WB616 since it is powered, but not sure if it will fix the problem.
Not that similar, though. Sounds like you've already bypassed the WB68, and that's not the problem, or at least not the only problem. Does this happen on all receivers?
Always remove, examine, and re-tighten all your connectors from one end to the other when you have odd/even problems, or any problems for that matter. You may have a bad LNB, if all receivers are similarly effected. But if it's an AT-9 dish, also check the cable and connectors connecting the outside (119) section to the main (99/101/103) section of the LNB assemblies.
I'm with Stew on this one. Experienced similar results on an install. Turned out to be a plumb / tilt issue. I'd definitely check it again.
I dunno, this whole thing is kinda screwy. With 103(b) numbers in the 80's, it'd be really strange not to get something on the 119's. It's also odd to get 103(b)'s that high with 101's that low. There s/b some 100's in there and a lot of high 90's on the 101.
Remember, you should be pointed 12 degrees further to the left (141.5 deg mag) with the 5 LNB versus the 3 LNB (153.3 deg mag), since the 5 LNB is centered on the 101 versus the 110. Your skew is 104.5. Can you actually receive the 101 and the 103(b) channels on your receiver, protosphere?
hmm was getting pretty much 97's across the board on the 119 when i run a line from the dish to the ird, tried switching all the connections at the multiswitch to no avail, thinking i need a new multiswitch =/
Oops, missed this post.
protosphere
12-01-07, 11:58 PM
oh ya i get everything but ESPN2 and HDnet , and yes Litz its a WB68, my installation itself is well.......custom to say the least, it involves some PVC pipe and duct tape. If i schedule a svc call do you think they will align my dish in a "custom" installation?
edit: K4SMX im almost sure it is the multiswitch now, since im not getting any signal off the 119 on any receivers, but when i bypassed the WB68 i got 119 in the 97s, here is the readout on the receiver furthest away from the dish (not the one i used for the original signal strengths i posted but its closest to the computer :p )
Sat 101
1-8: 88 93 89 0 87 95 86 95
9-16: 88 95 90 0 87 95 87 96
17-24: 88 0 88 0 86 95 90 96
25-32: 87 95 88 0 91 96 88 97
Sat 103(b)
1-8: 88 83 80 80 83 81 81 80
9-16: 85 82 84 82 87 87 na na
17-24: 92 na na na na 93 na na
25-32 na na na na na na na na
Sat 110
1-8: na na na na na na na 85
9-16: na 79 na 85 na na na na
17-24: na na na na na na na na
25-32: na na na na na na na na
sat 119
1-8: na na na na na na na na
9-16: na na na na na na na na
17-24: na na na na na 0 0 0
25-32: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
this is when the receiver is connected to a multiswitch.
Not that similar, though. Sounds like you've already bypassed the WB68, and that's not the problem, or at least not the only problem. Does this happen on all receivers?
Always remove, examine, and re-tighten all your connectors from one end to the other when you have odd/even problems, or any problems for that matter. You may have a bad LNB, if all receivers are similarly effected. But if it's an AT-9 dish, also check the cable and connectors connecting the outside (119) section to the main (99/101/103) section of the LNB assemblies.
When I bypass the WB68 I get good signal and no problems with 119 odd. The problem only happens with WB68 in line. I tried two WB68 and have the same results. I have two HR20-700 and one H20-600, and it happens on all of them. Just to clarify, this problem comes and goes. One day everything is great, but the next I get no signal or very low. That is why I am looking to see if WB616 would fix it.
Oops, missed this post.
Me, too. It's late....
When I bypass the WB68 I get good signal and no problems with 119 odd. The problem only happens with WB68 in line. I tried two WB68 and have the same results. I have two HR20-700 and one H20-600, and it happens on all of them. Just to clarify, this problem comes and goes. One day everything is great, but the next I get no signal or very low. That is why I am looking to see if WB616 would fix it.
I see. I misunderstood what you were not saying about the 119 evens. Good luck with the WB616, then.
I see. I misunderstood what you were not saying about the 119 evens. Good luck with the WB616, then.
Are you saying that WB616 should help remedy my problem?
Mertzen
12-02-07, 07:07 AM
When I bypass the WB68 I get good signal and no problems with 119 odd. The problem only happens with WB68 in line. I tried two WB68 and have the same results. I have two HR20-700 and one H20-600, and it happens on all of them. Just to clarify, this problem comes and goes. One day everything is great, but the next I get no signal or very low. That is why I am looking to see if WB616 would fix it.
Replace the lines from ODU to MS before spending the money on the 616.
CKNAV: On these two WB68's that you've tried, is there anything at all screwed into the unused ports other than weather resistant caps? Are these WB68's out in the rain? How old are those cables from the dish to the WB68? What type of cable are you using, solid copper center conductor or copper clad steel, and how long are your total runs?
CKNAV: On these two WB68's that you've tried, is there anything at all screwed into the unused ports other than weather resistant caps? Are these WB68's out in the rain? How old are those cables from the dish to the WB68? What type of cable are you using, solid copper center conductor or copper clad steel, and how long are your total runs?
These two WB68 switches are brand new. There is nothing going into flexports. Switches are inside in the basement. My wiring is pretty much brand new, as I got D* about a month ago. I am using RG-6 quad shield cable with top of the line snap and seal fittings. As I had LOS problem I am using two dishes with setup posted in the thread discussing it. I am using power inserter, before the switch. If I hook up the cable directly to any receiver from 119 dish I get signal of 95 to 97 on both polarities. As soon as I put WB68 in line, the problem appears, but not all the time. That is why it is such mystery to me.
veryoldschool
12-02-07, 12:18 PM
If I hook up the cable directly to any receiver from 119 dish I get signal of 95 to 97 on both polarities. As soon as I put WB68 in line, the problem appears, but not all the time. That is why it is such mystery to me.
It isn't clear if when you connect "any receiver from the 119 dish" whether you are still going through the splitter(s). You may have a bad one.
It isn't clear if when you connect "any receiver from the 119 dish" whether you are still going through the splitter(s). You may have a bad one.
When I connect any of my receivers to 119 dish I get great signal from 119 on both polarities. This only happens when WB68 is in line.
techrep
12-03-07, 02:31 PM
These two WB68 switches are brand new. There is nothing going into flexports. Switches are inside in the basement. My wiring is pretty much brand new, as I got D* about a month ago. I am using RG-6 quad shield cable with top of the line snap and seal fittings. As I had LOS problem I am using two dishes with setup posted in the thread discussing it. I am using power inserter, before the switch. If I hook up the cable directly to any receiver from 119 dish I get signal of 95 to 97 on both polarities. As soon as I put WB68 in line, the problem appears, but not all the time. That is why it is such mystery to me.
Be certain that you followed the "color coded" connection instructions below.
http://www.solidsignal.com/manuals/Sheet_HRPID1422_11.pdf
veryoldschool
12-03-07, 02:56 PM
When I connect any of my receivers to 119 dish I get great signal from 119 on both polarities. This only happens when WB68 is in line.
Are you getting transponders off the 103 & 110 when you aren't off the 119?
Are you getting transponders off the 103 & 110 when you aren't off the 119?
Yes I am getting every satellite perfect except having problems with 119 odd.
Be certain that you followed the "color coded" connection instructions below.
http://www.solidsignal.com/manuals/Sheet_HRPID1422_11.pdf
Just to be clear, I am not using two wb68. I use only one. I had second one to see if the original was broken.
veryoldschool
12-03-07, 07:57 PM
Yes I am getting every satellite perfect except having problems with 119 odd.
This would "point" to the 13 volt 22 kHz not getting through the splitter to the 119 LNB [or the RF not coming back through it].
This is really the only place that the problem can be occurring.
You're getting it to the 103 LNB [odd], but not to the other side of the splitter's output and the 119 [odd].
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