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SParker
12-08-07, 10:47 AM
I saw a commercial last night and they were touting that they had double the HD content of DIRECTV!!!

spartanstew
12-08-07, 11:12 AM
Counting their VOD, at any given time, they do.

SParker
12-08-07, 11:14 AM
Thats like Directv and Dish counting PPV's and RSN's.....tacky!

chieffan
12-08-07, 11:24 AM
Thats like Directv and Dish counting PPV's and RSN's.....tacky!

+1 I agree completely. Besides.... friends don't let friends do Comcrap :nono2:

Mr_A1
12-08-07, 11:32 AM
If you listen to Comcrapic's commercials on the radio, they make that claim only because of the VOD service.

Mocco71
12-08-07, 11:41 AM
Thats like Directv and Dish counting PPV's and RSN's.....tacky!

I can live with the RSN's being counted, but not the PPV's. Oh, and certainly not the West feeds of channels. I mean really, counting HBO West as an additional channel?!?

JDubbs413
12-08-07, 11:54 AM
Once DirecTV launches HD VOD, it's over. Comcast is done.

Tom Robertson
12-08-07, 12:11 PM
Once DirecTV launches HD VOD, it's over. Comcast is done.:) Keep your eyes open...

narcolept
12-08-07, 12:24 PM
I hope we get some high quality stuff like the following...... Can't wait for the first "Comcast will give me a HD Yule log, why can't DirecTV?" post... :rolleyes:

Media Advisory: Comcast Brings Back the Yule Log in High Definition

A Staple Holiday Tradition Revamped For the 21st Century

Philadelphia, PA - December 5, 2007

WHAT: The cultural viewing phenomenon of the Yule Log is being brought back to homes around the nation again this holiday season … in high definition (HD)! Based on last year’s resounding HD viewer demand, Comcast, the nation’s leading provider of cable, entertainment and communications products and services, is making the Yule Log available on its HD On Demand service through Jan. 4. Customers can watch the Yule Log any time, whether playing it as the backdrop for a weekend holiday party or on Christmas morning as families open their presents.

Joining a host of other time-honored holiday traditions like watching “It’s a Wonderful Life,” drinking eggnog or going holiday shopping, television viewers have been entertained by the Yule Log’s cozy glow and holiday music soundtrack since the first version aired in 1966.

Now families can enjoy a clearer picture of the burning log from a variety of angles, courtesy of their HDTV and HD digital cable service – blending old traditions seamlessly with new technology. Comcast, the first service provider to carry the Yule Log on HD On Demand, features a newly-produced version of the Yule Log filmed in 1080i picture and Dolby 5.1 sound. In fact, the HD version is so vivid, holiday guests may think the television is throwing off heat.

Last year alone, Comcast customers viewed the Yule Log in HD VOD more than twice the number of times as the standard-definition version, which also is available on Comcast’s On Demand service.

WHEN: Airing through Jan. 4

WHERE: Available on Comcast’s On Demand service, in the HD On Demand section under “Yule Log.”

CONTACT: Tania Scheer
PainePR, on behalf of Comcast
(949) 809-6782
tscheer@painepr.com

http://www.comcast.com/About/PressRelease/PressReleaseDetail.ashx?PRID=708

Ed Campbell
12-08-07, 12:43 PM
Cripes. I watched the yule log burning on WPIX-11 in NYC in 1966.

Comcrap is patting themselves on the back for copying an old indie station they probably never credit.

braven
12-08-07, 12:57 PM
It's Comcastic! :rolleyes:

tooloud10
12-08-07, 01:15 PM
Cripes. I watched the yule log burning on WPIX-11 in NYC in 1966.

Comcrap is patting themselves on the back for copying an old indie station they probably never credit.

While I'm no cable company fan, I think it's a stretch to imply that Comcast should give credit to another station for something that's been going on for DECADES all over the country.

1948GG
12-08-07, 01:21 PM
I saw a commercial last night and they were touting that they had double the HD content of DIRECTV!!!

As I've commented previously, you have to dissect precisely what they say, just like a politician!!

The commercial says "PROGRAMMING", NOT CHANNELS! They take their 10-20 channels, count all the PROGRAMS on those channels, and then add the VOD offerings, to get to the 200+ figure.

NOW, take the 80+ CHANNELS that DirecTV offers, count up the number of PROGRAMS they have in, say, one day, and you'll come up with well over a thousand.

ONE THOUSAND, almost unique, programs every day!

On Crack, you say? No, just on the same substance the pols are on... Maybe it is Crack!

GrumpyBear
12-08-07, 01:39 PM
As I've commented previously, you have to dissect precisely what they say, just like a politician!!

The commercial says "PROGRAMMING", NOT CHANNELS! They take their 10-20 channels, count all the PROGRAMS on those channels, and then add the VOD offerings, to get to the 200+ figure.

NOW, take the 80+ CHANNELS that DirecTV offers, count up the number of PROGRAMS they have in, say, one day, and you'll come up with well over a thousand.

ONE THOUSAND, almost unique, programs every day!

On Crack, you say? No, just on the same substance the pols are on... Maybe it is Crack!

What got to me the most was the Scale of Justice they used in the add, where they SHOWED all the ComCast channels, and how DirectTV's was really empty. All the channels they showed are in the NEW D* HD package. As a E* guy, I have watched exactly what D* has, I can't believe somebody can False Advertise they way they are.

1948GG
12-08-07, 01:46 PM
As a E* guy, I have watched exactly what D* has, I can't believe somebody can False Advertise they way they are.

It's not 'false advertising', they're simply doing an apples (programs) versus oranges (channels) comparison. Anyone who's taken a high school level course in comparative reasoning would see right through it.

But the Comcrud advertising company knows that means 95 % of Americans won't see a problem with that comparison, which is what they're counting on.

kmill14
12-08-07, 01:49 PM
As I've commented previously, you have to dissect precisely what they say, just like a politician!!

The commercial says "PROGRAMMING", NOT CHANNELS! They take their 10-20 channels, count all the PROGRAMS on those channels, and then add the VOD offerings, to get to the 200+ figure.

NOW, take the 80+ CHANNELS that DirecTV offers, count up the number of PROGRAMS they have in, say, one day, and you'll come up with well over a thousand.

ONE THOUSAND, almost unique, programs every day!

On Crack, you say? No, just on the same substance the pols are on... Maybe it is Crack!


I'm not so sure about that. There are a number of times throughout the day that these new HD channels have nothing but SD programming. And DTV got ripped for counting their NFLST HD channels as part of their #.

carl6
12-08-07, 02:26 PM
I was at a niece's house the other day, she has Comcast. I went into her VOD menu, and counted exactly 18 hi-def offerings available at that moment. Even if counting the VOD entries was valid, adding that to the 20 or so HD channels they have, that brings their total offerings at any given moment to roughly half of what DirecTV offers.

Carl

Tom Robertson
12-08-07, 02:33 PM
I'd like to say that all the marketing types for all the cable companies and satellite companies are on crack. They all are very well verse in fictional math.

This war of useless words will continue for a short time--on this topic. Sanity will exist for a few moments until the next battleground starts up.

Who has the most channels by reasonable counts? Today DIRECTV. Who has the channels I want? DIRECTV. Who has the ones you want? I leave that to you. :)

And as Earl very correctly points out, the bigger picture is very important. Who has the best total package of viewing experience? For me, it is DIRECTV , very clearly. For you, it very well could be someone else, and that is what competition is all about. :)

Happy Holidays!
Tom

Stuart Sweet
12-08-07, 07:45 PM
This is all marketing fluff. It's all fuzzy math, like the HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray hype, or trying to understand why you only have $0.35 in your checking account at the end of the month.

tfederov
12-08-07, 07:47 PM
....or trying to understand why you only have $0.35 in your checking account at the end of the month.

Darn it! I knew I needed to buy stamps!

AlbertZeroK
12-08-07, 08:09 PM
This is all marketing fluff. It's all fuzzy math, like the HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray hype, or trying to understand why you only have $0.35 in your checking account at the end of the month.

Fuzzy math or not, I'm pretty sure as I look at my HD DVD and Blu-Ray collection, I know why I have $0.35 in my checking account at the end of the month! :)

Anyways, Comcast isn't an option around here. But the company I work for rents houses and appartments all over for our people to stay in during 1 year contracts. I love calling in for the first year super reduced rate - we never see that second year, we're gone by then!

Upstream
12-09-07, 08:06 AM
I thought the Yule Log post was a joke, and I was going to commend Narcolept for his biting satire. Then I noticed that there was a link at the bottom of the page, and Comcast is serious about this.

:scratchin

narcolept
12-09-07, 08:09 AM
I only wish it was my biting satire. :D

Unfortunately, Comcast one upped me with theirs :rolleyes:

tonyd79
12-09-07, 09:22 AM
While I'm no cable company fan, I think it's a stretch to imply that Comcast should give credit to another station for something that's been going on for DECADES all over the country.

Maybe because WPIX invented it?

tonyd79
12-09-07, 09:24 AM
I was at a niece's house the other day, she has Comcast. I went into her VOD menu, and counted exactly 18 hi-def offerings available at that moment. Even if counting the VOD entries was valid, adding that to the 20 or so HD channels they have, that brings their total offerings at any given moment to roughly half of what DirecTV offers.

Carl

Yeah, I have Comcast and while it is nice that they have HD VOD (DirecTV will have it soon, I hope) they have no where near 200 programs (even counting the HD for Starz, Showtime, Encore). Maybe 50 if you have all the premiums.

But it was odd that they showed CHANNELS on the commercial rather than PROGRAMS.

saleen351
12-09-07, 09:27 AM
Direct tvs VOD is an embarrassment. Doubt the avg person is going to use the service. I know I won't, I signed up for a sat company, NOT AN INTERNET/CABLE COMPANY!

Doug Brott
12-09-07, 10:13 AM
Comcast may have over 210 programs in HD (in Philadelphia, BTW) every hour compared to DIRECTVs say .. 100 .. but how about the next hour, etc etc. what about a week later after you've sat there and watched every HD program available in HD on Comcast .. What do you have in HD left that you haven't seen .. (you don't get to sleep on this trial :lol:) .. you'd have oh .. 10 programs per hour to choose from compared to DIRECTVs .. oh, say 70 ..

Comcast has NOTHING on DIRECTV or DishNetwork. Cable will need to move to the next technology line to catch up.

Tom Robertson
12-09-07, 10:19 AM
Direct tvs VOD is an embarrassment. Doubt the avg person is going to use the service. I know I won't, I signed up for a sat company, NOT AN INTERNET/CABLE COMPANY!
I signed up for video programming delivery. :) I don't care how they deliver, just that they continue to deliver in the great fashion they do today, IMHO.

And DIRECTV will be delivering some DoD content via satellite too.

Remember, this is a Beta, only a Beta. If this were the real DoD, we'd be seeing lots more advertising for it. :D

Happy Holidays!
Tom

SoCool
12-09-07, 02:50 PM
Cripes. I watched the yule log burning on WPIX-11 in NYC in 1966.

Comcrap is patting themselves on the back for copying an old indie station they probably never credit.

I remember that one! Along with Officer Joe Bolton!

tonyd79
12-09-07, 03:22 PM
Comcast may have over 210 programs in HD (in Philadelphia, BTW) every hour compared to DIRECTVs say .. 100 .. but how about the next hour, etc etc. what about a week later after you've sat there and watched every HD program available in HD on Comcast .. What do you have in HD left that you haven't seen .. (you don't get to sleep on this trial :lol:) .. you'd have oh .. 10 programs per hour to choose from compared to DIRECTVs .. oh, say 70 ..

Comcast has NOTHING on DIRECTV or DishNetwork. Cable will need to move to the next technology line to catch up.

That is a good point. They do change the stuff a bit every week but it pretty much stays the same over the course of a month or so.

I kind of liked it (still have Comcast in the house as well as DirecTV) but I decided it wasn't worth all the much to me since DirecTV activated D10. Before that, I might watch about 4 hours of HD off Comcast VOD per week. Since, maybe 4 hours total. So, I decided that the loss of VOD wasn't a big thing and I hate the Comcast DVR (SA8300) so I bought an HD Tivo for my cable hookup. I'll save a few bucks and actually make use of the cable connection I have because I do like the internet service.

Mike Bertelson
12-09-07, 04:22 PM
I get the movie channels. I don't have any sports packages.

So, with the 5 RSNs* I get and not counting the PPV/VOD channels, I have 62 HD channels that I can watch.

64 if you count the 2 OTA stations I get.

Nobody but Directv can give me 62+ HD channels and not count the PPV, VOD, & out of area RSNs(at least not yet).

So, let 'em say what they want...just SHOW ME THE CHANNELS! :)

Mike

*My RSNs: MSG-HD, SNY-HD, YES-HD, NESN-HD, CSNE-HD

Cable Lover
12-09-07, 04:45 PM
While I'm no cable company fan, I think it's a stretch to imply that Comcast should give credit to another station for something that's been going on for DECADES all over the country.

Dude, you bes breakin it down!!!:eek:

narcolept
12-09-07, 06:49 PM
Dude, you bes breakin it down!!!:eek:

I'm not sure if this is a clever shtick you invented or something, but after looking at your previous posts:

http://www.dbstalk.com/search.php?searchid=2696940

It seems to be.. However, I'm not sure what value it adds to this thread, or the forum in general.

shendley
12-09-07, 09:08 PM
I noticed the reference to Philadelphia as well. Did they pack their HD VOD offerings in Philly just for this commercial?

Comcast may have over 210 programs in HD (in Philadelphia, BTW) every hour compared to DIRECTVs say .. 100 .. but how about the next hour, etc etc. what about a week later after you've sat there and watched every HD program available in HD on Comcast .. What do you have in HD left that you haven't seen .. (you don't get to sleep on this trial :lol:) .. you'd have oh .. 10 programs per hour to choose from compared to DIRECTVs .. oh, say 70 ..

Comcast has NOTHING on DIRECTV or DishNetwork. Cable will need to move to the next technology line to catch up.

JLucPicard
12-09-07, 10:29 PM
I can't believe there's yet another of these threads running, and I really can't believe that Mr. Parker started it! :D

jpl
12-10-07, 05:33 AM
I noticed the reference to Philadelphia as well. Did they pack their HD VOD offerings in Philly just for this commercial?

I'm not sure why everyone thinks that Comcast focuses all of their energies and innovations in the Philly area. I know their HQ is in Philly, but trust me this area has not been the main focus for Comcast - it wasn't until competition came into this area that Comcast started to get serious about rolling out additional services. I've said this before, I've never seen another company so reviled in its own backyard. They're HATED around here - by just about everyone (there are a couple of Comcast fans, but even most people I know who have them only tolerate them).

Friends of mine in VA couldn't understand that. They couldn't understand why Comcast was so hated around here. One of these friends had Comcast in VA - and he really liked their service. Then we started comparing services (I was with Comcast at the time) - including things like channel line-ups, and cost, and I could see why Comcast was liked in his area. He was paying a little more than I was, but was getting a hell of alot more for it - I had just standard (analog-only) service, and I was paying nearly as much as he was, and he had their digital service. They had better service, better prices, and more options. The reason for it: competition. VA (at least where he lives) has had cable competition for years, and there were 3 separate service vying for his business.

Case in point - a co-worker switched from Comcast to Verizon FiOS - and was a Verizon customer for all of about 30 minutes. After placing his order with FiOS, he called Comcast to let them know that he was cancelling (I don't know why you would cancel one service BEFORE getting installed with the second, but that's neither here nor there). Comcast immediately slashed his bill - undercutting Verizon by 10%, and they added a bunch of premiums for him, for free for a period of time (6 months or a year, I can't remember which), so he stayed with Comcast. It's amazing what a little healthy competition can do :)

man_rob
12-10-07, 06:26 AM
Dude, you bes breakin it down!!!:eek:

I'm guessing English isn't your first language? That you love cable is fine, but I have to wonder why, if cable is soooo wonderful, why is it that you always resort to trolling? Rather than putting out a competent, compelling arguments to defend your position, you just put out adolescent, nonsensical posts. If anything, you are pushing people away from your point of view, not convincing them that you are right. My guess is that your trolling is out of envy.

GutBomb
12-10-07, 02:36 PM
people troll for attention. you're giving it to him.

Radio Enginerd
12-10-07, 02:38 PM
I can live with the RSN's being counted, but not the PPV's. Oh, and certainly not the West feeds of channels. I mean really, counting HBO West as an additional channel?!?Technically HBO West is an additional channel. I have more of a problem with DNS (east and west) being counted.

Canis Lupus
12-10-07, 02:43 PM
This is the biggest key for me. Sorry, but no amount of lame advertising is going to change my mind, when for D* this is only the beginning of what will become a HUGE chasm of distance in terms of content. A year from now, no one will be talking about this, no matter how the cable spin doctors try to play it.

And as Earl very correctly points out, the bigger picture is very important.

Doug Brott
12-10-07, 03:11 PM
I'm not sure why everyone thinks that Comcast focuses all of their energies and innovations in the Philly area.

I assure you I don't think that .. It's just if you listen to the "fine print" of that Comcast Commercial, the specifically state that the comparison was done in the Philadelphia area. Last I checked, I couldn't get Philadelphia cable TV in my neighborhood ..

newsposter
12-11-07, 09:14 AM
I assure you I don't think that .. It's just if you listen to the "fine print" of that Comcast Commercial, the specifically state that the comparison was done in the Philadelphia area. Last I checked, I couldn't get Philadelphia cable TV in my neighborhood ..

I dont have one but wouldnt slingbox take care of that issue for you? And a nice IR remote with huge batteries to change the channel from afar :lol:

jpl
12-13-07, 07:37 AM
I assure you I don't think that .. It's just if you listen to the "fine print" of that Comcast Commercial, the specifically state that the comparison was done in the Philadelphia area. Last I checked, I couldn't get Philadelphia cable TV in my neighborhood ..

Sorry - didn't mean to jump down your throat like that. I just hear that alot, and I assumed that's what you were saying (that Comcast used Philly as the market in their ad because Philly represents the cream of the Comcast crop - that Philly gets everything first because Comcast is headquartered here).

JFHughes08088
12-13-07, 08:08 AM
I agree D* has more HD channels than anyone else today. My issue is that there is little actual HD programming on those channels. I'm getting a lot of SD content on HD channels.

JLucPicard
12-14-07, 09:39 AM
I agree D* has more HD channels than anyone else today. My issue is that there is little actual HD programming on those channels. I'm getting a lot of SD content on HD channels.
Take it up with the content provider - DirecTV has no say over what the providers send them.

uncrules
12-15-07, 02:58 PM
I just saw the Comcast commercial for the first time and I got to say the D* should sue Comcast. The scale graphic was incredibly deceptive. Every channel they listed in the Comcast side is available on D*.

tuff bob
12-15-07, 09:54 PM
I noticed the reference to Philadelphia as well. Did they pack their HD VOD offerings in Philly just for this commercial?

I also wondered if it allowed them to count CSN Philly HD as an offering, but DirecTV doesn't have CSN Philly... so thats an extra channel in philly...

n3ntj
12-16-07, 11:04 AM
What's with that new Comcrap commercial that says "its almost holiday eve"? What the heck is that? Did they purposely not say "Christmas Eve"? What PC crap. Yep.. that's another reason, they are "Comcraptic".

SPACEMAKER
12-16-07, 11:08 AM
What's with that new Comcrap commercial that says "its almost holiday eve"? What the heck is that? Did they purposely not say "Christmas Eve"? What PC crap. Yep.. that's another reason, they are "Comcraptic".

I find their deceptive commercial much more offensive than anything else they state.:lol:

frederic1943
12-16-07, 12:04 PM
I agree D* has more HD channels than anyone else today. My issue is that there is little actual HD programming on those channels. I'm getting a lot of SD content on HD channels.
If you got a color TV in 1960 you had the same problem. Only a few programs were in color. It wasn't until 1966 that all the prime-time broadcasts were in color. Even then most of the non-prime-time content was black & white.

Kevin Dupuy
12-16-07, 12:48 PM
Is Comcast on crack?

Shouldn't the answer to that be relatively obvious by now?

lwilli201
12-16-07, 03:05 PM
I agree D* has more HD channels than anyone else today. My issue is that there is little actual HD programming on those channels. I'm getting a lot of SD content on HD channels.

More and more programming will be HD. There is not enough HD programming for all the cable/sat channels. But as they roll out new HD programming, I will be ready. :)

Dazed & Confused
12-16-07, 03:29 PM
Every time I see a thread like this one I can only think of one comment to make, and it applies to every company involved in this marketing war.

Statistics, sufficiently tortured, will admit to anything.

Mike Bertelson
12-16-07, 03:49 PM
Every time I see a thread like this one I can only think of one comment to make, and it applies to every company involved in this marketing war.

Statistics, sufficiently tortured, will admit to anything.

I heard somewhere that 57.9% of statistics are made up. :D

Dazed & Confused
12-16-07, 03:53 PM
I heard somewhere that 57.9% of statistics are made up. :D

I heard somewhere that statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics.

aa9vi
12-17-07, 09:12 AM
It's Comcastic! :rolleyes:

What's Comcastic? Their $58/mo broadband rates and snowy analog channels? Can anyone say ANTI-TRUST BREAKUP! I hope...

Doug Brott
12-17-07, 09:37 AM
Can someone point me to the Comcast forum so that I can set them straight .. :lol:

jjohns
12-17-07, 09:40 AM
D*, the king of misleading advertising, calling the kettle black - there's some irony for you. I've always found that when someone is truly satisfied with something, there is little need to continuously berate any alternatives. But for some reason all of these so-called content D* subscribers have this burning need to rip on the competition whether it be cable, other satellite providers, or actually anyone not D*. A great poll for this forum would be a truthful count of D* employees, directly or indirectly vs. those not affilliated with D* in any way. If the truth be told, that would be an interesting figure.

Mike Bertelson
12-17-07, 09:47 AM
D*, the king of misleading advertising, calling the kettle black - there's some irony for you. I've always found that when someone is truly satisfied with something, there is little need to continuously berate any alternatives. But for some reason all of these so-called content D* subscribers have this burning need to rip on the competition whether it be cable, other satellite providers, or actually anyone not D*..

And this is different from subs of other providers how?? ;)



A great poll for this forum would be a truthful count of D* employees, directly or indirectly vs. those not affilliated with D* in any way. If the truth be told, that would be an interesting figure.

Are you saying we are all Directv employees? Not sure I understand you...:scratch:

Mike

BattleScott
12-17-07, 11:56 AM
I think what is needed is a mathematical formula that calculates a carries 'HD Quotient'. That would a be a composite value representing the ratio of HD programming to HD channel space. In this way we would be able derive a baseline for each carrier and determine the best value:

This is just recommendation:

where
HDch = Total number of 'HD Channels'
HDpc = Percentage of HD Content on all channels
(expressed as frational decimal)
HDq = Carrier HD Quotient

HDq = (HDch * (HDch * HDpc)/(100 - (HDpc * 100))) * HDch

ex1: Carrier a has an HDch of 100, and an HDpc of .25
HDq = (100 *(100 * .25)/(100 - (.25 * 100))) * 100 = 3330

ex2: Carrier b has an HDch of 40 and an HDpc of .83
HDq = (40 *(40 * .83)/(100 - (.83* 100))) * 40 = 3125

So in this case it looks as though there is very little difference between carrier a who offers a large amount of space but a lower amount of content and carrier b who offers a lower amount of total space but a higher percentage of content within that space. By applying existing content pricing al-gore-rythms we should be able to then devise a price per HD unit to use when evaluating provider value.

p.s: Comcast is on Crytal Meth, Time Warner is on Crack...

bhelton71
12-17-07, 01:33 PM
I think what is needed is a mathematical formula that calculates a carries 'HD Quotient'. That would a be a composite value representing the ratio of HD programming to HD channel space. In this way we would be able derive a baseline for each carrier and determine the best value:

This is just recommendation:

where
HDch = Total number of 'HD Channels'
HDpc = Percentage of HD Content on all channels
(expressed as frational decimal)
HDq = Carrier HD Quotient

HDq = (HDch * (HDch * HDpc)/(100 - (HDpc * 100))) * HDch

ex1: Carrier a has an HDch of 100, and an HDpc of .25
HDq = (100 *(100 * .25)/(100 - (.25 * 100))) * 100 = 3330

ex2: Carrier b has an HDch of 40 and an HDpc of .83
HDq = (40 *(40 * .83)/(100 - (.83* 100))) * 40 = 3125

So in this case it looks as though there is very little difference between carrier a who offers a large amount of space but a lower amount of content and carrier b who offers a lower amount of total space but a higher percentage of content within that space. By applying existing content pricing al-gore-rythms we should be able to then devise a price per HD unit to use when evaluating provider value.

p.s: Comcast is on Crytal Meth, Time Warner is on Crack...


Now you're back to what constitutes a hi-def channel. Comcast's claim is more available content based on ON-Demand offering being available. DirecTV has more available channels (or capacity if you prefer).

And I get the Comcast argument - Monday at 9:00PM Directv may only have 20 actual HD shows available and Comcast has 1400 HD programs 'on demand' - I get it. The problem with on demand in general is that anything I may want to see is probably a re-run on demand. So lets just call it ReRuns On Demand (ROD).

So for me personally - I only count 'first run' shows. Who has the most original airings of hd ? Who is bringing me the most NEW hd ? Everything else is just youtube.

dhhaines
12-17-07, 02:16 PM
I think what is needed is a mathematical formula that calculates a carries 'HD Quotient'. That would a be a composite value representing the ratio of HD programming to HD channel space. In this way we would be able derive a baseline for each carrier and determine the best value:

This is just recommendation:

where
HDch = Total number of 'HD Channels'
HDpc = Percentage of HD Content on all channels
(expressed as frational decimal)
HDq = Carrier HD Quotient

HDq = (HDch * (HDch * HDpc)/(100 - (HDpc * 100))) * HDch

ex1: Carrier a has an HDch of 100, and an HDpc of .25
HDq = (100 *(100 * .25)/(100 - (.25 * 100))) * 100 = 3330

ex2: Carrier b has an HDch of 40 and an HDpc of .83
HDq = (40 *(40 * .83)/(100 - (.83* 100))) * 40 = 3125

So in this case it looks as though there is very little difference between carrier a who offers a large amount of space but a lower amount of content and carrier b who offers a lower amount of total space but a higher percentage of content within that space. By applying existing content pricing al-gore-rythms we should be able to then devise a price per HD unit to use when evaluating provider value.

p.s: Comcast is on Crytal Meth, Time Warner is on Crack...

So are you an accountant???? :confused: :rolleyes:

BattleScott
12-17-07, 02:41 PM
So are you an accountant???? :confused: :rolleyes:

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express...

:D

BattleScott
12-17-07, 02:55 PM
Now you're back to what constitutes a hi-def channel. Comcast's claim is more available content based on ON-Demand offering being available. DirecTV has more available channels (or capacity if you prefer).

And I get the Comcast argument - Monday at 9:00PM Directv may only have 20 actual HD shows available and Comcast has 1400 HD programs 'on demand' - I get it. The problem with on demand in general is that anything I may want to see is probably a re-run on demand. So lets just call it ReRuns On Demand (ROD).

So for me personally - I only count 'first run' shows. Who has the most original airings of hd ? Who is bringing me the most NEW hd ? Everything else is just youtube.

Unfortunately, 're-runs' cannot be factored in primarily because they are only 're-runs' from a specific individuals point of view. I considered briefly incorporating a Re-Aired Programming Effect Divisor into the formula, but then decided against it as it was too subjective...

snarkler
12-17-07, 03:16 PM
Stepford Comcast spokeswoman smiles insincerely for almost the entire commercial while talking at the same time. I don't know if she's lying or not, but I'm sure she's a robot.

Mike Bertelson
12-17-07, 03:39 PM
Stepford Comcast spokeswoman smiles insincerely for almost the entire commercial while talking at the same time. I don't know if she's lying or not, but I'm sure she's a robot.

Welcome to the forum :welcome_s

Smoke, mirrors, and robots. :grin:

Mike