Compatible with Dp301?

[Jobet]

I transported my DP301 (Vivtage 2002) to a new residence. Left the Dish attached to the previous home. Two plus years later I bought on line a Dish500 with a DPP twin LNBF. Have it all set up and can not get a signal. Being the novice that I am I am stuck. I only want to service one TV which is the same Sony (2001) that was previously connected. I do not want to "upgrade", just get the system running. What is wrong and what do I need todo? Any help is welcomed..
Down and out inPA.

[BobaBird]

:welcome_s to DBSTalk!

I'm not sure how the results of the poll will help you answer your questions. Since it appears unintentional, I'm abstaining.

The 301 is compatible with the DPP Twin and all other LNB/switch configurations. Does the Check Switch summary (found at Installation > Point Dish) show a DPP Twin attached?

The rest is probably just an aiming issue. Set the skew on the dish per the setting given on the Point Dish screen for your current ZIP code. Cover the 110 eye of the Twin and look for 119 using the provided azimuth and elevation settings.

[Jobet]

I transported my DP301 (Vivtage 2002) to a new residence. Left the Dish attached to the previous home. Two plus years later I bought on line a Dish500 with a DPP twin LNBF. Have it all set up and can not get a signal. Being the novice that I am I am stuck. I only want to service one TV which is the same Sony (2001) that was previously connected. I do not want to "upgrade", just get the system running. What is wrong and what do I need todo? Any help is welcomed..
Down and out inPA.

Thanks Bobabird but signal finder shows that we are on target. Furthur info
indicates must be a 311 to function. Word is ALL must be Dish Pro Plus. A
second receiver must be connected to power the lnb. I only want ONE TV to be Fed
through One receiver. (PS) I did "blind" the 110 as sugessted but to no avail.
Jobet

[BobaBird]

The DPP Twin needs 2 receivers connected only if one of them is legacy, which the 301 isn't.

"ALL must be Dish Pro Plus" only applies for dual-tuner receivers connected by a single wire to the dish. Also not an issue here. Almost asked before, but confirming you are not using a Separator? It can't be used with a single-tuner receiver.

Is there another receiver you can test with? Maybe the DPP Twin is bad. You could replace it with another (leaving an easy upgrade path to a dual-tuner or HD receiver) or with a legacy Twin or DP Twin.

[Jobet]

The DPP Twin needs 2 receivers connected only if one of them is legacy, which the 301 isn't.

"ALL must be Dish Pro Plus" only applies for dual-tuner receivers connected by a single wire to the dish. Also not an issue here. Almost asked before, but confirming you are not using a Separator? It can't be used with a single-tuner receiver.

Is there another receiver you can test with? Maybe the DPP Twin is bad. You could replace it with another (leaving an easy upgrade path to a dual-tuner or HD receiver) or with a legacy Twin or DP Twin.

Thank you once again BobaBird for your valued input. (and patience) A "Separator" (whatever that is) was not used. The Dish500 when purchased on line DID note that a DPP lnb was included. Lack of smarts on my end did not know the difference. I now have contacted the seller with the possibility of exchanging the DPP twin for aDP twin. Does the DP twin contain a built in switch (?) I would like to make a direct conn from the lnb to the 301 receiver. The 18" dish left behind had a switch (SW-21)?
Regard and Happy Hollidays!
Jobet

[BobaBird]

The Separator is a special diplexer that breaks out the regular DBS and DishPro stacked frequencies, allowing both tuners of a dual-tuner receiver to be fed from a single run of RG6 when there is a DP Plus switch on the other end. Doesn't apply for your 301.

The 301 should work fine with the DPP Twin, even as the only receiver. Since you've ruled out aiming, that leaves other installation issues (RG59 instead of RG6, bad connectors, hidden splitters, etc) or broken equipment. That's why I suggested the troubleshooting technique of swapping out pieces with known working ones.

All versions of the Twin (http://ekb.dbstalk.com/twin.htm) and Quad have an internal switch.

The SW21 is used for a Dish 500 with 2 legacy LNBs, or as a second cascaded switch to add another satellite. It can be used with all receivers but is incompatible with DP or DPP LNBs and switches.

If anyone else has a suggestion for Jobet, feel free to jump in.

[PTown]

I did not see the results of the check switch. What information do you receive after you complete the check switch previously mentioned?

[Jobet]

The DPP Twin needs 2 receivers connected only if one of them is legacy, which the 301 isn't.

"ALL must be Dish Pro Plus" only applies for dual-tuner receivers connected by a single wire to the dish. Also not an issue here. Almost asked before, but confirming you are not using a Separator? It can't be used with a single-tuner receiver.

Is there another receiver you can test with? Maybe the DPP Twin is bad. You could replace it with another (leaving an easy upgrade path to a dual-tuner or HD receiver) or with a legacy Twin or DP Twin.

If I do not have the second receiver..then am I out of luck using the DPP Twin? I think if that is the case then I must go for the DP or a newer receiver.
I have got to resolve the problem.
Thanks for your response..BobaBird You are well appreciated.
Jobet

[PTown]

If I do not have the second receiver..then am I out of luck using the DPP Twin? I think if that is the case then I must go for the DP or a newer receiver.
I have got to resolve the problem.
Thanks for your response..BobaBird You are well appreciated.
Jobet


I did not see the results of the check switch. What information do you receive after you complete the check switch previously mentioned?

We can't help you if you don't help us chief.

[BobaBird]

If I do not have the second receiver..then am I out of luck using the DPP Twin?No, re-read the first sentence of post 4 which you have quoted twice. The DPP Twin can be used with just one receiver, unless that receiver is legacy (Dish-speak for pre-DP, or 4-digit models)[1].I think if that is the case then I must go for the DP or a newer receiver.The 301 is a DP receiver (recall you used the full name DP301), as are all other 3-digit models.

I think we need to focus now on troubleshooting, starting with whether the 301 recognizes it's connected to a DPP Twin. The requested Check Switch summary will tell you. Can you run a temporary line to test the connection?

[1] Even then, a DP adapter can be added, but that's completely unrelated to your problem.

[Jobet]

Currently have the 110West satellite at 105 reading on signal strenght with the following "Check Switc" readings:
Input 1 2 3
Satellite CONN. 110 X
Polarity X ALL X
Device PTWIN PTWIN N.C
Getting very good strength out of the one satellite but cannot find the 119 satellite. Have adjusted per the instructions 2 degrees with locked Azimuth to no avail.
Any suggestions?

[BobaBird]

Going back to my first guess, if you cover the 110 LNB, do you still get 110?

I think it's time we heard from some more experienced installers.

[Jobet]

Going back to my first guess, if you cover the 110 LNB, do you still get 110?

I think it's time we heard from some more experienced installers.

Still trying the suggestions. Did cover the 110 LNB and got back the message#836 "THE CHECK SWITCH TEST HAS FOUND YOU HAVE FEWER SATELLITES THAN PREVIOUSLY DETECTED. "PRESS CANCEL" TO KEEP OLD RESULT, OR "SAVE" TO SAVE NEW RESULT".
(kept the "old" result) Next move was to remove the cover over the 110. Then ran a check switch..pressed on "Details" which read:
"SWITCH STATUS: Connected to a DPP-Twin with 3 inputs
"DPP-1 Good Connection, No Signal"
"External LNB: N.C. No Connection"
On screen appeared "015"
Satellite 110
Progress 2 of 5 Screen then jumped to "Congradulations , You have Dish 500"
After all of that, I still can not get 119 signal. Checked all connections which is a direct feed LNB to Receiver to TV...all appear to be RG6 and secure.
Getting a bit weary and may need a live tech.
Happy, Healthy New Year to all..and thanks.

[BobaBird]

Have you verified your skew is correct, and the pole is plumb? Sounds like something has gone bad. Have you tried swapping out pieces yet to pin down which one?

[Jobet]

Have you verified your skew is correct, and the pole is plumb? Sounds like something has gone bad. Have you tried swapping out pieces yet to pin down which one?

All checks have been made...plumb, skew azmuth & elev. I have yet to do a swap with another twin, but i am starting to believe the culprit must be it.
Is there any problem to be encountered if I us a DP-Twin and not anothe DPP-Twin? Also is a switch required if a DP-Twin is used?
I have been conn to port 1 and then to port 2 with identical results. Is there a wild chance that the third port may help? It is as
if 119 does not exist!
Am getting antsy at this point.

[BobaBird]

A DP Twin or even legacy Twin will work fine, and will also not require an extra switch as all versions of the Twin have one built in. The disadvantage of the DP Twin is that a possible future dual-tuner receiver would require adding a run of RG6, and the legacy Twin has the added limitation of only 2 tuners.

The 3rd port of the DPP Twin is an input from another LNB.

Installers, what have I overlooked that may help Jobet?

[PTown]

First thank you for posting your results.

It appears from the check switch that it is in fact correctly identifying the LNB.
I think you have an alignment issue or perhaps something blocking the line of sight.

[Jobet]

First thank you for posting your results.

It appears from the check switch that it is in fact correctly identifying the LNB.
I think you have an alignment issue or perhaps something blocking the line of sight.

Sorry as to not responding but circumstances have kept me from working on the signal (or lack thereof). I am convenced that the alignment and all settings are correct. The cables are rated for 5 to 2300 mgHZ and connection is good at boyh LNB and at receiver. Is it possible that the DPPTwin is faulty? and where can I get this verified without "swapping it with another".? 110 signal is strong but 119 is no signal at all. I have tweaked the dish in all aspects and only get plus or minus results on the 110. What else is left to do?
Thanks for hanging in there with a novice.
Bobabird, if you copy ..can you add to the thoughts?

[Jason Nipp]

Possible that the LNBF is bad, but if it is seeing both sides in check switch I'd say it is an alignment or obstruction issue.

Do you have any pictures of your antenna you can share with us? Remember when pointed the dish, the actual line of sight is actually around 20-30 degrees higher than where the LNBFs point. So make sure your clearing any tree lines...etc.

Check and recheck your level and plum on the mast. Since your hitting 119, I'd recommend playing with the skew in very small increments.

[Jobet]

Possible that the LNBF is bad, but if it is seeing both sides in check switch I'd say it is an alignment or obstruction issue.

Do you have any pictures of your antenna you can share with us? Remember when pointed the dish, the actual line of sight is actually around 20-30 degrees higher than where the LNBFs point. So make sure your clearing any tree lines...etc.

Check and recheck your level and plum on the mast. Since your hitting 119, I'd recommend playing with the skew in very small increments.

Thanks for the rapid reply. It is 110 that keeps coming through, but i will do what you suggest in the morning if the snows and bitter cold do not keep me indoors.
Regards,
Jobet

[BobaBird]

Swapping pieces isn't practical for you, but we still need to find out if both LNBs in the DPP Twin are working. Try covering the 110 LNB again, mark your current AZ/EL settings, and try to get 110 using the 119 side (or vice versa).

[Jobet]

Swapping pieces isn't practical for you, but we still need to find out if both LNBs in the DPP Twin are working. Try covering the 110 LNB again, mark your current AZ/EL settings, and try to get 110 using the 119 side (or vice versa).

The line of sight for 110 just cleared a neighbor's eave. The Dish was moved five feet to the east and 119 came in . Both satellites are giving signal strengths of 101 and 103 respectively. I owe my humble thanks to Bobabird who from Day One has worked with my endevors. PTown, oldford, harshness and webbydude are also gratefully acknowleged. The components were good, the human side (me) was not.
Thanks guys for all the efforts given and I am sure to be back for another "satellite 101" lesson in the coming days.
Regards to all,
Jobet