i can get swm8's

[dave29]

EDIT: not doing it anymore.

[Drew2k]

How much does the SWM8 cost?

[tfederov]

How much does the SWM8 cost?

Yeah, I'd like to know as well because I'd be up for getting one from ya.

[dave29]

edit........ $270 shipped

[Drew2k]

Thanks staab29 ...

I think with my current setup I can live without the SWM8 for a little while longer! :p

[Mike728]

the swm is 189


:eek:

[dave29]

thats what i thought too, but i think its worth it. i will probably be putting 2 of them in my house

[HDTVsportsfan]

189 is no more than what it could cost to run two 50 foot runs ( I say that as professionally done, drip loops, grounded, tacked down where needed etc.) It's the same difference. It will cost either way.

Some applications will make it well worth the 189 and some won't.

[Drew2k]

189 is no more than what it could cost to run two 50 foot runs ( I say that as professionally done, drip loops, grounded, tacked down where needed etc.) It's the same difference. It will cost either way.

Some applications will make it well worth the 189 and some won't.But it's really $258 - the SWM8 + PI. :)

[HDTVsportsfan]

But it's really $258 - the SWM8 + PI. :)

:p I'll give ya that. I forgot about the 69. But like many other things. Value is in the eye of the beholder. I think many people will jump on it.

[Drew2k]

:p I'll give ya that. I forgot about the 69. But like many other things. Value is in the eye of the beholder. I think many people will jump on it.This is true. I can see those doing renovations snapping up some of these, and those with many more DVR+ receivers than I have going for this as well, especially if it simplifies their home wiring solution (which it most likely will!) :)

[tfederov]

My run is probably 15' total since the 5th receiver is just on the other side of the wall from the multiswitch. I'll live with BBCs a little longer. My reasoning was purely cosmetic at this point.

[smiddy]

Do you take credit card?

[HDTVsportsfan]

Now Tfed's situation certainly wouldn't warrant the 289. Unless he had money to burn :) .

[dave29]

Do you take credit card?

if enough people want one i will collect via paypal, but we need to order at least 10 of each

[Sirshagg]

Seems a bit pricy to me. I wonder if this is what they will run when "officially" released to the masses. If that's what it's going to run I'd rather bite the bullet now and and enjoy both tuners rather than wait till who knows when and still pay this much for one. I somehow suspect that price is rather inflated (not by staab29) though.

[dave29]

yeah i think it is expensive too, but very well worth it when you consider how easy the set up will be and not to mention only one wire to the hr's. beats the hell out of fishing wires.

[dave29]

i did talk to another company that was about $20 more on each unit and they wouldnt even sell to me unless i bought 1000 at a time

[mikbro]

i did talk to another company that was about $20 more on each unit and they wouldnt even sell to me unless i bought 1000 at a time

PM'd you...

[Sirshagg]

yeah i think it is expensive too, but very well worth it when you consider how easy the set up will be and not to mention only one wire to the hr's. beats the hell out of fishing wires.

Haven't completely lost interest but I think it might be a good idea to wait and see if any new info comes out about them at CES next week

[dave29]

Haven't completely lost interest but I think it might be a good idea to wait and see if any new info comes out about them at CES next week

there are a few people that want one so far, if i can get at least 10(which i think i will) by the end of the day i will order them tommorrow.

[houskamp]

Do you take credit card?
ME TOOO..
P.s. I don't need the PI :D

[dave29]

ME TOOO..
P.s. I don't need the PI :D

take paypal, and i can get you a swm8 for 189 plus shipping ans handling(no power inserter)

[mikbro]

take paypal, and i can get you a swm8 for 189 plus shipping ans handling(no power inserter)

Do you have any handle on the time frame on these (ie. how long it would take you to get them)?

[dave29]

i can have them by monday if i put the order in tommorrow morning

[mikbro]

i can have them by monday if i put the order in tommorrow morning

Cool - hope you get 9 more orders :)

[dave29]

we are almost there, i bet we get 20 by the end of the day

[Stuart Sweet]

Wow... I am guessing this means we'll see this equipment out in the field a lot more in the months to come!

[Drew2k]

When you see them on eBay - that's when you know they're "mainstream"! :p

[yogi]

I'm just throwing this out there for people who don't know:

D12
R16
H21
HR20
HR21

are the only receivers that work with the SWM. Other wise you have to use the legacy ports.

[say-what]

I'm just throwing this out there for people who don't know:

D12
R16
H21
HR20
HR21

are the only receivers that work with the SWM. Other wise you have to use the legacy ports.The H20's have SWM support enabled also.

[dave29]

any more takers, we are almost to 10

[bwaldron]

Does anyone know if the power inserter for the SWM-8 is the same one used for the SWM-5?

[dave29]

i would assume it is the same.

[dave29]

if anyone else decides they want to get in on this order let me know noon tommorrow

[HDTVsportsfan]

The west coast guys still need to get home from work. Hopefully that will get you to ten.

[dave29]

The west coast guys still need to get home from work. Hopefully that will get you to ten.

good call

[randalldavis]

The west coast guys still need to get home from work. Hopefully that will get you to ten.

I am getting HR20/HR21 installed on Saturday. I have two RG6 lines coming in from the dish (located on roof) to the inside of the house (comm closet). From there I have one RG6 cable to each room. I will have one DVR (Bedroom) and one HR20/HR21 HD DVR Livingroom) connected. Will this device work for my new HR21 reciever to record one channel and watch another?

If it does I will take whatever I need to make this happen!
What exactly do I need?
Are there drections on how to connect/configure?

Wanna be happy camper:)
Randall

[dave29]

yes it will work for your hr21, you will only need one coax to your hr21 and you will get both tuners. you will need four lines from your dish to your closet though. then in your closet you will need the swm8 and the power inserter. but keep in mind your dvr in your bedroom will still only get one tuner because it is likely an r15. there are alot of threads about the swm in the cutting edge forum, just do a search.

[Sirshagg]

I am getting HR20/HR21 installed on Saturday. I have two RG6 lines coming in from the dish (located on roof) to the inside of the house (comm closet). From there I have one RG6 cable to each room. I will have one DVR (Bedroom) and one HR20/HR21 HD DVR Livingroom) connected. Will this device work for my new HR21 reciever to record one channel and watch another?

If it does I will take whatever I need to make this happen!
What exactly do I need?
Are there drections on how to connect/configure?

Wanna be happy camper:)
Randall

This device will handle the one line to each room issue and being able to use both tuners with the HR20/21. What receiver are you using in the bedroom - you did not indicate? HOWEVER you may (I don't know) have an issue with only 2 lines from the dish to the comm closet. With the new 5lnb dish there is generally four lines coming off of the dish and I'm not sure what the implications are if you only have two. Do you have the 5lnb dish?

I wouldn't worry too much about installation instructions. There are many helpfull people here who have this device and are more than happy to assist.

[VLaslow]

I'm delighted that I was in the SWM-8 test group. I'm sorry that my son will have to fork out the bucks, but, hey, I'm the Dad!

[randalldavis]

This device will handle the one line to each room issue and being able to use both tuners with the HR20/21. What receiver are you using in the bedroom - you did not indicate? HOWEVER you may (I don't know) have an issue with only 2 lines from the dish to the comm closet. With the new 5lnb dish there is generally four lines coming off of the dish and I'm not sure what the implications are if you only have two. Do you have the 5lnb dish?

I wouldn't worry too much about installation instructions. There are many helpfull people here who have this device and are more than happy to assist.

I have two lines from the dish currently.
1 feeds the bedroom DVR 40 GB hard drive
1 feeds the living room DVR 40 gb hard drive

I am replacing the dish with a new dish
I am replacing the LR DVR with an HD DVR.

I have a flat roof house that is pre wired and there is no way to get more than the two cables into the house without major work

Everything is in the center of the house not near any exterior wall.

I am simply looking for a solution fro using the two cables into the house and one cable to each DVR.

Thanks so much for your inputs

Randall

[HDTVsportsfan]

We hate to tell you this Randall, but you need to have all four cables coming from the new Slimline dish you will be soon receiving.

You would need some extra work to be done. Which at this point you wouldn't even need the SWM8. Frankly, you don't need an SWM 5 or 8 or even a regular WB68 mulit-switch. You need two more runs into the house. One each new run to each existing location would meet your current needs.
We'll skip the "future" proofing for right now.

Sorry buddy.

[DBSNewbie]

This is great news!

I've been trying to get ahold of a SWM for the longest time.

To the OP: I just PM'ed you.

Also, to anyone who has some knowledge on the SWMs, I just have a quick question on the connections on the back of the D* receiver (HR20-700):

Is there a special kind of splitter or diplexer that splits up the single cable at the back of the receiver to the three inputs (SAT Input 1, Sat Input 2, OTA Input)? Or will just your ordinary ones work just fine?

I've been holding off installing a DVR in our bedroom because we only have one Coax coming in. Right now we are diplexing in OTA after the BBC to a H20 in the bedroom. Running a new dedicated line for the second SAT Tuner would be too complicated.

Thanks,

[DBSNewbie]

By the way,

How many so far have placed an order for the SWM and PI?

[HDTVsportsfan]

:) In order for you to recieve more responses. You should probably start a new thread. Also, there are several SWM threads in the CE forum that can provide some great information.


This is great news!

I've been trying to get ahold of a SWM for the longest time.

To the OP: I just PM'ed you.

Also, to anyone who has some knowledge on the SWMs, I just have a quick question on the connections on the back of the D* receiver (HR20-700):

Is there a special kind of splitter or diplexer that splits up the single cable at the back of the receiver to the three inputs (SAT Input 1, Sat Input 2, OTA Input)? Or will just your ordinary ones work just fine?

I've been holding off installing a DVR in our bedroom because we only have one Coax coming in. Right now we are diplexing in OTA after the BBC to a H20 in the bedroom. Running a new dedicated line for the second SAT Tuner would be too complicated.

Thanks,

[dave29]

im pretty sure you just need a diplexor to seperate the ota and sat. you will run one line into the sat1 and one into ota.

This is great news!

I've been trying to get ahold of a SWM for the longest time.

To the OP: I just PM'ed you.

Also, to anyone who has some knowledge on the SWMs, I just have a quick question on the connections on the back of the D* receiver (HR20-700):

Is there a special kind of splitter or diplexer that splits up the single cable at the back of the receiver to the three inputs (SAT Input 1, Sat Input 2, OTA Input)? Or will just your ordinary ones work just fine?

I've been holding off installing a DVR in our bedroom because we only have one Coax coming in. Right now we are diplexing in OTA after the BBC to a H20 in the bedroom. Running a new dedicated line for the second SAT Tuner would be too complicated.

Thanks,

[randalldavis]

I think I have figured out a way to get four cables from the dish to my comm closet. I will have two of the cables connect to the existing RG6 cables and two new cables ran to the side of the house, already wired for cable input, and connect to them. This will give me four inputs from the dish into the comm closet.

From there I will connect the SWM to the LR box and 1 connection to the bedroom box.

Problem solved.... I think?

Randall

[DBSNewbie]

im pretty sure you just need a diplexor to seperate the ota and sat. you will run one line into the sat1 and one into ota.

Thanks for the quick reply.

I did search the CE Forums for the answer, but figured since posters are already looking at this SWM thread, I was hoping that posting a SWM Related question here would yield a relatively quick response. I guess it worked.

Thanks again.

BTW, have enough ordered the SWM from you to qualify for the bulk discount?

[dave29]

8 i think so far. im sure there will be 10 or more by tommorrow.

[HDTVsportsfan]

I think I have figured out a way to get four cables from the dish to my comm closet. I will have two of the cables connect to the existing RG6 cables and two new cables ran to the side of the house, already wired for cable input, and connect to them. This will give me four inputs from the dish into the comm closet.

From there I will connect the SWM to the LR box and 1 connection to the bedroom box.

Problem solved.... I think?

Randall


It sounds like you have a grip on this. So you have your two existing cables from the dish straight thru your closet (one each) to your existing receiver locations?

[randalldavis]

It sounds like you have a grip on this. So you have your two existing cables from the dish straight thru your closet (one each) to your existing receiver locations?

Correct. The comm closet, as I like to call it, is the central location in the house where all cables come to including the two from the roof and the two from the cable connection on the side of the house. They end there...
All the rooms have one cable ending there.
I simple connect the ones I want to make hot.
Curerntly the two from the roof are connected to the 1 x Lr and 1 x BR
they are connected using a strait through connection.

See this is how I can get all four satellite connections into the comm closet.

Randall

[yogi]

The H20's have SWM support enabled also.

I don't think the H20 support SWM . You need H21

[phlevin]

I don't think the H20 support SWM . You need H21

Latest national release firmware adds SWM support for H20.
H20-600 0x2042 -
Staggered Rollout Started: 11/1/2007
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=107741
H20-100 0x204C -
Staggered Rollout Started: 11/28/2007
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=110847

[DBSNewbie]

just found out today that i can buy all mfh2 equipment including swm8's. i found a supplier that will sell to me because i own my own business and have a federal tax id number. they are rather expensive so if anybody needs to get one let me know and if i order enough i will get a discount, i ordered 20 swm8's and 20 power inserters this morning for my own use(in houses we wire for home theater). just wanted to let everyone know.

Did you get your minimum order of 10 yet?

By the way, for those who have ordered from you, were you planning on shipping out to them from the first batch you ordered from your supplier, or are you going to place the new order first, then ship those particular ones out when you receive them?

Thanks.

[dave29]

yeah we are over 10 now. the first batch and second batch will both be here on monday i was told. we are up to 12 now so if anybody else wants one let me know because i am going to make a third order this afternoon before they are all sold out.

[jhc13]

staab, I pm'd you also. I just saw ths post and I'd like to jump on the bandwagon as well. Count me in if you havent already made the final order...

Thanks,
John
----------------------
H10 / 47" Toshiba RP
H20 / 37" LG
H20 / 37" LG
HR21-700 / 42" Polaroid

[dave29]

got your pm, your in. i am going to wait until tommorrow afternoon for the final order to see if anybody else wants in

[DBSNewbie]

i am going to wait until tommorrow afternoon for the final order to see if anybody else wants in

Is this going to delay the shipping to the first group of indviduals who ordered from you? Are you going to wait to receive all the SWMs and PIs from your supplier before you ship them out on your end? Will you still expect to receive the first batch on Monday and Ship them, thereafter?

[dave29]

yes the first batch should be to me on monday

[HDTVsportsfan]

Correct. The comm closet, as I like to call it, is the central location in the house where all cables come to including the two from the roof and the two from the cable connection on the side of the house. They end there...
All the rooms have one cable ending there.
I simple connect the ones I want to make hot.
Curerntly the two from the roof are connected to the 1 x Lr and 1 x BR
they are connected using a strait through connection.

See this is how I can get all four satellite connections into the comm closet.

Randall

OK.....I really want to make sure i undertsand this before we continue. You have 2 runs coming from your dish into your closet. Do you then have barrell connectors tying your existing cabling from when the house was built, which then continue into the two locations you mentioned?

Are you hijacking your "cable connection"...as in Comcast..Cox...TIme Warner...etc.

[lwilli201]

Does anyone know if the power inserter for the SWM-8 is the same one used for the SWM-5?

According to the the link below, the SWM5 has a 29V 1.3 AMP inserter. The SWM8 has a 29V 1.5 AMP inserter. :(

http://www.sonoradesign.com/slide_display.php?presentationId=26&target=commercial

UPDATE: My SWM5 inserter is 1.24 AMP output. Some one with a SWM8 may be able to tell us what theirs is.

[bwaldron]

According to the the link below, the SWM5 has a 29V 1.3 AMP inserter. The SWM8 has a 29V 1.5 AMP inserter. :(

http://www.sonoradesign.com/slide_display.php?presentationId=26&target=commercial

Thanks! In that case, I shall wait for a bit to upgrade my 5 to an 8.

[Danoldo]

got your pm, your in. i am going to wait until tommorrow afternoon for the final order to see if anybody else wants in

I'm pretty sure I want in.

You're waiting until tomorrow?

[randalldavis]

OK.....I really want to make sure i undertsand this before we continue. You have 2 runs coming from your dish into your closet. Do you then have barrell connectors tying your existing cabling from when the house was built, which then continue into the two locations you mentioned?

Are you hijacking your "cable connection"...as in Comcast..Cox...TIme Warner...etc.

Yes I have two cables coming in from the dish to the comm closet
The house was built with all cables pre installed, including the two to the roof
Yes I use barrel connectors to connect one line from the dish to the Bedroom and one line to the Livingroom.
I pay for two DVR's and both are connected.
No outside cable is available in my area yet, but the house was pre-wired for it if it ever gets here. This is where two other lines come into the comm closet from one side of the house.

Randall

[HDTVsportsfan]

OK...well....it sounds like you're almost there. All you need to do is get to more cables from your dish location to the comm closet when you get upgraded. Remove the barrell connectors and then connect all 4 cables coming from the dish to the 4 inputs of the SWM. There is no specific order for those connections btw, you just need to have all 4 connected. From there as lwilli201 has stated, insert your power inserter in line on FTM output one....which will be indicated in red on the SWM.... and finish your connections.

Here are several links to threads related to the SWM rtials w/ more info than you can imagine about installing. It's alot of reading....but good stuff.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=80686&highlight=swm+trial

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=90077&highlight=swm+trial

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=90996&highlight=swm+trial

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=82960&highlight=swm+trial

[randalldavis]

OK...well....it sounds like you're almost there. All you need to do is get to more cables from your dish location to the comm closet when you get upgraded. Remove the barrell connectors and then connect all 4 cables coming from the dish to the 4 inputs of the SWM. There is no specific order for those connections btw, you just need to have all 4 connected. From there as lwilli201 has stated, insert your power inserter in line on FTM output one....which will be indicated in red on the SWM.... and finish your connections.

Outstanding. THis will work.
Just one more question for future possibilities.
If I ever wanted to add a SD reciever to the mix coming directly from the antenna could I add a switch at the antenna giving me another run to the garage and still connect the SWM8 in the comm closet as described already? Basically can you add a switch upstream to the SWM8?

Asking a lot hun?

Randall

[HDTVsportsfan]

http://www.dbstalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8670&d=1182612591

I can't remember how many legacy outputs are available on the SWM8. I have two on the SWM5 provided in the link above. When you say "switch" and "antenna" are you referring to a multi-switch and satelitte dish respectively?
You should not need anything additional if you want to add an additional SD receiver other than the cabling itself.

If you do need to add a multi-switch it can be done, as is mine, but that is a different beast and using power passing splitters is the preferred method. Which should really be addressed in a seperate thread.

Also, the multi-switch would go in your comm closet as well...not at the dish.

[Kansas Zephyr]

If I ever wanted to add a SD reciever to the mix...
The SWM8 has 3 legacy ports. Just connect your SD receivers to those. That's it, you're done.

You can have a maximum of 8 HD tuners (each HR20/21 = two tuners) and 3 SD receivers connected to a SWM8.

[houskamp]

Outstanding. THis will work.
Just one more question for future possibilities.
If I ever wanted to add a SD reciever to the mix coming directly from the antenna could I add a switch at the antenna giving me another run to the garage and still connect the SWM8 in the comm closet as described already? Basically can you add a switch upstream to the SWM8?

Asking a lot hun?

Randall
yes you could.. I curently have a wb68 feeding a swm5 (needed 2 more ports till I get ahold of an 8) or you can hook it to the legacy ports on the swm8..

[carl6]

The SWM8 has 3 legacy ports. Just connect your SD receivers to those. That's it, you're done.

You can have a maximum of 8 HD tuners (each HR20/21 = two tuners) and 3 SD receivers connected to a SWM8.

You can have a maximum of 8 SWM capable tuners, plus 3 non-SWM capable tuners, connected to an SWM8. The non-swm capable could be receivers or DVRs and could be SD or legacy (non mpeg4) HD. You could even connect an H20/21 or HR20/21 to the legacy port(s) but would not get all of the mpeg4 channels.

Carl

[carl6]

According to the the link below, the SWM5 has a 29V 1.3 AMP inserter. The SWM8 has a 29V 1.5 AMP inserter. :(

http://www.sonoradesign.com/slide_display.php?presentationId=26&target=commercial

UPDATE: My SWM5 inserter is 1.24 AMP output. Some one with a SWM8 may be able to tell us what theirs is.

My SWM8 inserter is a model PI-28, and it states the output is 29VDC at 1.24 amps.

Carl

[veryoldschool]

Yes I have two cables coming in from the dish to the comm closet
The house was built with all cables pre installed, including the two to the roof
Yes I use barrel connectors to connect one line from the dish to the Bedroom and one line to the Livingroom.
I pay for two DVR's and both are connected.
No outside cable is available in my area yet, but the house was pre-wired for it if it ever gets here. This is where two other lines come into the comm closet from one side of the house.

Randall
I don't know what or how your two cables come from the dish, but another option might be to mount the SWM near the dish with the four cables needed and then use your two cables down to your "com closet", where the power inserter would be and then off to the receivers from there. You don't really need the SWM in the com closet.

[HDTVsportsfan]

:) Very nice suggestion VOS. The only downside with that is adding any addition cable runs from said SWM. It would then have to be originated from outside at the dish/swm instead of the comm closet.

Randall...pick your poison. ;)

[veryoldschool]

:) Very nice suggestion VOS. The only downside with that is adding any addition cable runs from said SWM. It would then have to be originated from outside at the dish/swm instead of the comm closet.

Randall...pick your poison. ;)
Yes, the legacy receivers would need to be wired outside, or use one of the two coax for the legacy and use the other off the PI for all of the SWM receivers.

[AntAltMike]

Or you could connect any old, single satellite (3x4, 3x8, etc) multiswitch to two of the SWM legacy ports to support an indefinite number of SD legacy receivers or tuners.

[Goober]

yeah i think it is expensive too, but very well worth it when you consider how easy the set up will be and not to mention only one wire to the hr's. beats the hell out of fishing wires.

Ain't that the truth. I've been running an HR-20 w/ a single wire (and single tuner plus OTA) since July. I've been waiting on DTV. And waiting. And waiting. I've got a new house and no desire to run more cable all throughout it.

Count me in on ordering one. PM sent to you, Staab.

[mikbro]

There is no specific order for those connections btw, you just need to have all 4 connected.

Are you sure about that? The connectors on the pictures of the SWM's I have seen are clearly labeled sat/and voltage wise - or are those labels just suggestions?

[litzdog911]

Are you sure about that? The connectors on the pictures of the SWM's I have seen are clearly labeled sat/and voltage wise - or are those labels just suggestions?

Those labels are only relevant if you're connecting multiple satellite dishes. The 5-LNB has a built-in multiswitch, so it doesn't matter what order its four cables connect to the SWM inputs.

[houskamp]

Are you sure about that? The connectors on the pictures of the SWM's I have seen are clearly labeled sat/and voltage wise - or are those labels just suggestions?
only time you have to worry about positions is when you are connecting 2 SWM/WB68 to a dish in parralel.. then you need to match the inputs..

[phlevin]

I remember seeing a thread with great diagrams of SWM5 and SWM8 and installation tips last summer. Can't seem to find it now.

Anyone have a link?

Thank you.

[HDTVsportsfan]

I remember seeing a thread with great diagrams of SWM5 and SWM8 and installation tips last summer. Can't seem to find it now.

Anyone have a link?

Thank you.

Postt #66 of this thread.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1368457&postcount=66

[randalldavis]

........use one of the two coax for the legacy and use the other off the PI for all of the SWM receivers.

Thats it. You guys rule. THis is the simple and easy solution.
No wires hanging. No new wires to run.
THis forum is awesome:)

Thanks
Randall

[flexpackman]

Dang... That's what I get for being on vacation all week and not reading the forum.

Just pm'ed you staab if you are getting another order up.

Thanks,

Lonnie

[fluffybear]

put me in for a full set-up (SWM8 & PI)

[DBSNewbie]

yes the first batch should be to me on monday

staab,

I hope you receive the first batch today.

[Sirshagg]

Are they in yet?

[Sirshagg]

Are they in yet??

[Sirshagg]

Are they in yet??? :lol:

[dave29]

Are they in yet??? :lol:

yes they are in.
yes they are in.
yes they are in.

i just got home from work and they are here. i will have to go get the right boxes to pack them up and take them to the post office to get them shipped. i am going to do this tommorrow sometime. the first ten people should get there swm8's sometime this week!!!!!!

[dave29]

here id the order in which paypal was received so this will be the order they are sent out.
first shipment:
jprater
ppecullan
randall davis
mikbro
jaymer
damaine (qty 3)
plevin
darrell
second shipment
kg370
ednichols
johncook
dsmunich
syap
hawkeyenfo
uttl
bobshew
bensteph
tbuist
arvidj

[RobertE]

Just throwing this out there for everyone ordering the SWMs.

I'd treat any issues getting it and your boxes working like a CE. Come here first for support. Its hard to say what if any info has been given to the first level CSRs about the SWMs and troubleshooting.

So, ask here first.

[Goober]

Just throwing this out there for everyone ordering the SWMs.

I'd treat any issues getting it and your boxes working like a CE. Come here first for support. Its hard to say what if any info has been given to the first level CSRs about the SWMs and troubleshooting.

So, ask here first.

I'll second that. Tech support has probably got limited exposure to them from the few installers that actually have them, and the CSR's are almost certainly unable to help. From what I've seen there's a fair amount of corporate-level knowledge on how to set things up on here thanks to some significant legwork done by the CE guys.

[Kansas Zephyr]

That's the approach I was planning to take.

So...after installation...will the HR20 recognize the SWM automatically after power-up?

Or, is there a CE setup I need to select?

Thanks.

[Sirshagg]

Here are several links to threads related to the SWM rtials w/ more info than you can imagine about installing. It's alot of reading....but good stuff.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=80686&highlight=swm+trial

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=90077&highlight=swm+trial

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=90996&highlight=swm+trial

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=82960&highlight=swm+trial

The above links look to be the best reference on these puppies.

Personally, I think the diagram here says it all:
http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=895094&postcount=61

[RobertE]

That's the approach I was planning to take.

So...after installation...will the HR20 recognize the SWM automatically after power-up?

Or, is there a CE setup I need to select?

Thanks.

I believe the proper order is.
Unplug everything from power
Install SWM
Double and Triple check that the power inserter is installed correctly. (Right Houskamp :) )
Power SWM
Power receivers.
Enjoy

[Kansas Zephyr]

I believe the proper order is.
Unplug everything from power
Install SWM
Double and Triple check that the power inserter is installed correctly. (Right Houskamp :) )
Power SWM
Power receivers.
Enjoy
Thanks.

I know there are several threads.

But, they are huge, and I had a single specific question. So, I thought I could get a straight answer here.

Thanks again.

[Sirshagg]

Double and Triple check that the power inserter is installed correctly. (Right Houskamp :) )


How exactly does one install this incorrectly? Isn't it one cable to SWM, one cable to HR20? I guess i make the assumption it's labled which goes where.

[Sirshagg]

That's the approach I was planning to take.

So...after installation...will the HR20 recognize the SWM automatically after power-up?

Or, is there a CE setup I need to select?

Thanks.

As far as i can tell there is no special CE setup (such as a code to enter).

[RobertE]

How exactly does one install this incorrectly? Isn't it one cable to SWM, one cable to HR20? I guess i make the assumption it's labled which goes where.

You'd have to ask Houskamp on how to install one incorrectly. !Devil_lol

If the power inserter is installed backwards. ie, power side towards the receiver instead of the SWM, you can and will fry your box. Houskamp did it, hence you see him refered to as Smoke every now and then. Poor guy gets thrown under the bus a lot about it. But he takes it all with stride. :)

[carl6]

The very basics:

1. Remove power from equipment.
2. Four coax from dish to SWM inputs.
3. One coax (at least 15 feet long) from SWM to Power Inserter.
4. Double, triple, and quadruple check that you connect the SWM to the correct port on the power inserter, and the receiver to the correct port on the power inserter. If you get these backwards YOU WILL DESTROY YOUR RECEIVER!
5. Check item 4 once more.
6. Run a coax from the output of the power inserter, or from port 2 of the SWM, to your receiver/dvr.
7. Remove the BBC - you don't use them with SWM.
8. Connect the coax from the SWM to the Sat 1/FTM input connector on your receiver.
9. Go back and check item 4 one more time.
10. Plug in the power inserter.
11. Plug in the receiver/DVR.

Carl

[Milominderbinder2]

Here is the most updated Diagram and Notes on the SWM8 from the HD DVR FAQ. The other link is from a year ago...

→ Single Wire Multiswitch (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=942535#post942535)

This also includes the xls files that used to create the drawings so that you can fiddle with your own drawings to your heart's content!

You will love the SWM8!

Because it is an active device, I saw a jump in signal levels too!

The SWM8 does a great job of combining OTA and satellite on one wire. It can be 1 cable instead of 3 going to your DVR now. You need a good diplexer though to split the OTA back out at the receiver. There is a huge difference between the stuff at the local store and a real diplexer. We did a pretty detailed study.

Here is the comparison chart: Diplexers (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=87891)

- Craig

[Sirshagg]

The very basics:

1. Remove power from equipment.
2. Four coax from dish to SWM inputs.
3. One coax (at least 15 feet long) from SWM to Power Inserter.
4. Double, triple, and quadruple check that you connect the SWM to the correct port on the power inserter, and the receiver to the correct port on the power inserter. If you get these backwards YOU WILL DESTROY YOUR RECEIVER!
5. Check item 4 once more.
6. Run a coax from the output of the power inserter, or from port 2 of the SWM, to your receiver/dvr.
7. Remove the BBC - you don't use them with SWM.
8. Connect the coax from the SWM to the Sat 1/FTM input connector on your receiver.
9. Go back and check item 4 one more time.
10. Plug in the power inserter.
11. Plug in the receiver/DVR.

Carl

Is Step 6 necessary? Can the PI be on a leg without a receiver hooked up to it?

[veryoldschool]

You'd have to ask Houskamp on how to install one incorrectly. !Devil_lol

If the power inserter is installed backwards. ie, power side towards the receiver instead of the SWM, you can and will fry your box. Houskamp did it, hence you see him refered to as Smoke every now and then. Poor guy gets thrown under the bus a lot about it. But he takes it all with stride. :)
The SWM FTM port one is RED and the power inserter connection to the SWM is RED.
PLEASE connect RED to RED.

RED SHOULD NEVER be connector to the RECEIVER!

[Sirshagg]

Here is the most updated Diagram and Notes on the SWM8 from the HD DVR FAQ. The other link is from a year ago...

Single Wire Multiswitch (SWM) (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=942535#post942535)

You will love it!

Because it is an active device, I saw a jump in signal levels too!

- Craig

Aaaah! EVEN BETTER! Thank You.

[Sirshagg]

The SWM FTM port one is RED and the power inserter connection to the SWM is RED.
PLEASE connect RED to RED.

RED SHOULD NEVER be connector to the RECEIVER!

Well that seems to make it easy enough.

[veryoldschool]

Well that seems to make it easy enough.
Dish to SWM should be no longer than 40' [but does work when longer].
SWM to PI should be 15' min. [has been known to work with shorter, but is used for RF match between the two].

[veryoldschool]

Well that seems to make it easy enough.
It is the first time, but if you go back "to play", it is very easy to mix up two cables already connected to the PI [as smoke did].

[houskamp]

:( I get no respect...
but anyways If you have any quesions post them an we will try to help..
or PM me and I'll help..

[dave29]

you guys are hard on ol' smoke

[HDTVsportsfan]

Like RobertE siad...he does take it well. He gets his shots in when the opportunity arises. Don't feel to sorry for him. :p ;)

But seriously....for most us...who hasn't fried something. :grin:

[DBSNewbie]

The very basics:

1. Remove power from equipment.
2. Four coax from dish to SWM inputs.
3. One coax (at least 15 feet long) from SWM to Power Inserter.
4. Double, triple, and quadruple check that you connect the SWM to the correct port on the power inserter, and the receiver to the correct port on the power inserter. If you get these backwards YOU WILL DESTROY YOUR RECEIVER!
5. Check item 4 once more.
6. Run a coax from the output of the power inserter, or from port 2 of the SWM, to your receiver/dvr.
7. Remove the BBC - you don't use them with SWM.
8. Connect the coax from the SWM to the Sat 1/FTM input connector on your receiver.
9. Go back and check item 4 one more time.
10. Plug in the power inserter.
11. Plug in the receiver/DVR.

Carl

Check out post #34 on the following thread:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=82960&page=2&highlight=swm+trial

It appears that the cable run from the the SWM FTM1 Port to the PI is only a few inches long and NOT the suggested minimum of 15 Feet

Earl says that his setup works smoothly, though.

How important is this 15 foot minimum cable run?

[HDTVsportsfan]

Here is the most updated Diagram and Notes on the SWM8 from the HD DVR FAQ. The other link is from a year ago...

Single Wire Multiswitch (SWM) (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=942535#post942535)

:lol: Geez.....he's done it again. I've been owned. :)

Again Craig, outstanding job. I hate to admit it....i didn't know that post existed with all of that great info. Man, it's hard to keep up around here.

[HDTVsportsfan]

Check out post #34 on the following thread:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=82960&page=2&highlight=swm+trial

It appears that the cable run from the the SWM FTM1 Port to the PI is only a few inches long and NOT the suggested minimum of 15 Feet

Earl says that his setup works smoothly, though.

How important is this 15 foot minimum cable run?

If i remember correctly...several of the guys have it shorter than 15 feet without any problems.

And not to insult anyone, but unless you have the fittings, compression tool, and cable for these projects and feel totally comfortable installing this stuff, I would stick to the recommended lengths-configs-setups-etc.

[veryoldschool]

How important is this 15 foot minimum cable run?
This is for RF matching [as I posted]. Some have used shorter coax and had no problems.
Since you want it to work, use the 15'. If for some reason you can't, then "try it" and if you have problems, you will know where to look to fix it. The power inserter has a bad RF match on it's input [and why the 15'], but "how bad" may vary with each power inserter/SWM combination.

[kjgarrison]

you guys are hard on ol' smoke

staab29, per your PM, you say they are out of stock at your supplier now.

Should we go ahead and send you payment or wait until you announce more supply?

[RobertE]

:( I get no respect...
but anyways If you have any quesions post them an we will try to help..
or PM me and I'll help..

I did at least put it in spoiler tags. :D

We still love you man.:feelbette

[dave29]

you first ten guys are lucky, my wife is packaging them up right now and they will be sent out tommorrow morning

[mikbro]

you first ten guys are lucky, my wife is packaging them up right now and they will be sent out tommorrow morning

Thanks - much appreciated!

[litzdog911]

....

How important is this 15 foot minimum cable run?

I set up my SWM5 with the 15-ft cable, nicely looped. Why take any chances?

[Sirshagg]

you first ten guys are lucky, my wife is packaging them up right now and they will be sent out tommorrow morning

can hardly wait.
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4997/4152to3.gif

[jefbal99]

For anyone installing one of these and making cable, spend the $20-$40 for a compression tool. Will make your life much happier and eaiser

[mikbro]

For anyone installing one of these and making cable, spend the $20-$40 for a compression tool. Will make your life much happier and eaiser

I second that - compression tool w/proper fittings make all the difference.

[dmurphy]

I second that - compression tool w/proper fittings make all the difference.

Home Depot sells a cheap one (about $15 - from Data Shark) that works just great for occasional use. I wouldn't be a pro installer with one, but for a one-every-few-years person like me, it's a great investment.

[gulfwarvet]

Here is the most updated Diagram and Notes on the SWM8 from the HD DVR FAQ. The other link is from a year ago...

Single Wire Multiswitch (SWM) (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=942535#post942535)

This also includes the xls files that used to create the drawings so that you can fiddle with your own drawings to your heart's content!

You will love the SWM8!

Because it is an active device, I saw a jump in signal levels too!

The SWM8 does a great job of combining OTA and satellite on one wire. It can be 1 cable instead of 3 going to your DVR now. You need a good diplexer though to split the OTA back out at the receiver. There is a huge difference between the stuff at the local store and a real diplexer. We did a pretty detailed study.

Here is the comparison chart: Diplexers (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=87891)

- Craig

if i may add to your list of very helpful links. here's one i wish to add also
http://dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=94761

ps. Thanks for helping proofread this thread.

[randalldavis]

you first ten guys are lucky, my wife is packaging them up right now and they will be sent out tommorrow morning

Got an e-mail saying postage lable created:):)
Thanks

Randall

PS the HD is awesome, can't wait to record and watch different channels:)
I'm recording like crazy. Man this is addicting. What a picture:)

[carl6]

Is Step 6 necessary? Can the PI be on a leg without a receiver hooked up to it?

Yes, but if you do that you want to put a 75 ohm terminator on the output of the PI.

There is already a 75 ohm terminator on the FTM2 output of the SWM. If you decide to use that output to feed your equipment, you can move the terminator over to the output of the PI.

If you use any splitters and have unused ports on them, you are also supposed to put 75 ohm terminators on those.

That is all according to spec. What works in the real world for many people may be different, but if you don't follow the specifications and later have problems, then you need to start back peddling. Do it right the first time.

Carl

[kjgarrison]

staab29, per your PM, you say they are out of stock at your supplier now.

Should we go ahead and send you payment or wait until you announce more supply?

Do you have any idea when more will be available?

[dave29]

i will try to find out

[Sirshagg]

:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance::dance:
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance::dance:
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance::dance:

[DBSNewbie]

you first ten guys are lucky, my wife is packaging them up right now and they will be sent out tommorrow morning

Thanks staab (and Mrs. Staab for packing them up)

Can't wait to get 'em. I got the USPS notification email but as of tonight (1/9) the tracking info still says that USPS has only received shipping info, but not necessarily having the package in their possession.

Did everything go okay with shipping them out today?

[Sirshagg]

Thanks staab (and Mrs. Staab for packing them up)

Can't wait to get 'em. I got the USPS notification email but as of tonight (1/9) the tracking info still says that USPS has only received shipping info, but not necessarily having the package in their possession.

Did everything go okay with shipping them out today?

That's just the way USPS is. I've actually received packages and their web site still said that.

[Sirshagg]

this waiting is just killing me :( :lol: .

[dave29]

Thanks staab (and Mrs. Staab for packing them up)

Can't wait to get 'em. I got the USPS notification email but as of tonight (1/9) the tracking info still says that USPS has only received shipping info, but not necessarily having the package in their possession.

Did everything go okay with shipping them out today?

they all went out first thing tuesday morning

[Sirshagg]

Thanks staab (and Mrs. Staab for packing them up)

Can't wait to get 'em. I got the USPS notification email but as of tonight (1/9) the tracking info still says that USPS has only received shipping info, but not necessarily having the package in their possession.

Did everything go okay with shipping them out today?


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Cincinnati?!?! It's going the wrong direction. Darn USPS. :( :lol:

[dave29]

LOL, everything that leaves here goes to cincy first. :lol:


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[dave29]

i have some more coming in on monday so if you need one let me know because they will go fast and most of them are already spoken for

[dave29]

oh yeah, the second batch is going out to you guys tommorrow

[dave29]

kinda off topic but if someone can find me a new nintendo wii (the 249 one) i will trade you a swm8 and a power inserter for it. i cant find one around here

[Sirshagg]

kinda off topic but if someone can find me a new nintendo wii (the 249 one) i will trade you a swm8 and a power inserter for it. i cant find one around here

Now there's a deal, just wish I knew where to find one - I'd get two (one for you one for me).

[MJfromMD]

just found out today that i can buy all mfh2 equipment including swm8's. i found a supplier that will sell to me because i own my own business and have a federal tax id number. they are rather expensive so if anybody needs to get one let me know and if i order enough i will get a discount, i ordered 20 swm8's and 20 power inserters this morning for my own use(in houses we wire for home theater). just wanted to let everyone know.
i just wanted to add that i am not liable at all for the warranty or the unproper hook up that may burn up your receiver. i am just trying to help fellow dbstalkers by getting the swm. wether directv warranties this or not is between you and them.

Please bear with me - I am a newbie to the topic and this forum.

As much as I appreciate someone FINALLY coming through with a SWM solution, I am hurt to imagine the $258 cost - Its a lot to pay to resolve my issue. (In other words, let's see if I understand my equipment requirement correctly).

I am looking for a way to feed both of the tuners of my H20 HD DVR simultaneously, (watch + record) via only one coax antenna feed. I have the slim 5 LNB dish, from D*.

Could you define the equipment name/model required for this task, if it exists?

Is there such device for my application - available as just an inline module placed where the feed enters the receiver?

And total cost = $258?

Could you put me in contact with someone who would sell such a device to me?

Thanks for the answers!

[Stanley Kritzik]

just found out today that i can buy all mfh2 equipment including swm8's. i found a supplier that will sell to me because i own my own business and have a federal tax id number. they are rather expensive so if anybody needs to get one let me know and if i order enough i will get a discount, i ordered 20 swm8's and 20 power inserters this morning for my own use(in houses we wire for home theater). just wanted to let everyone know.
i just wanted to add that i am not liable at all for the warranty or the unproper hook up that may burn up your receiver. i am just trying to help fellow dbstalkers by getting the swm. wether directv warranties this or not is between you and them.

Yes, I'm interested. Is there a link to a schematic to show a typical layout and/or a link to an install manual or set of instructions (when does one need the power inserter, for example).

Thanks,

Stan

[Sirshagg]

Please bear with me - I am a newbie to the topic and this forum.

As much as I appreciate someone FINALLY coming through with a SWM solution, I am hurt to imagine the $258 cost - Its a lot to pay to resolve my issue. (In other words, let's see if I understand my equipment requirement correctly).

I am looking for a way to feed both of the tuners of my H20 HD DVR simultaneously, (watch + record) via only one coax antenna feed. I have the slim 5 LNB dish, from D*.

Could you define the equipment name/model required for this task, if it exists?

Is there such device for my application - available as just an inline module placed where the feed enters the receiver?

And total cost = $258?

Could you put me in contact with someone who would sell such a device to me?

Thanks for the answers!

This is the device you need. We don't know the official cost yet as it has not been released to the general public (but speculation is that it should be much less than this price). If you want it NOW then this seems to be the only option many of us have found and we are happy to pay the price.

[Sirshagg]

Yes, I'm interested. Is there a link to a schematic to show a typical layout and/or a link to an install manual or set of instructions (when does one need the power inserter, for example).

Thanks,

Stan

You always need the power inserter.
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=942535#post942535

[dave29]

mj from md
i dont think it is that expensive considering the cost of custom wall fishes and cutting into a wall and repairing it if needed. especially on multiple hr's. this is a very neat and simple solution. if you dont want one dont get one, wait months and months until they are available to the general public and save what.... 20 bucks maybe. there are alot of people that were ecstatic to buy one of these right now. i am one of them.

[Fozzy]

i have some more coming in on monday so if you need one let me know because they will go fast and most of them are already spoken for

(Also left you a PM)

Im very interested in 2 sets (me and a friend here at work).

So 2 SWM8s and 2 power inserters....thnx!

[dave29]

sent you a pm back

[Kansas Zephyr]

there are alot of people that were ecstatic to buy one of these right now. i am one of them.
+1
:)
Thanks again, can't wait...it's a late Christmas.

[dave29]

still waiting for a nintendo wii offer :grin:

[Sirshagg]

still waiting for a nintendo wii offer :grin:

It's in Cincinnati :grin:

[dave29]

lol, there arent any there either

[houskamp]

one attached to my tv :D

[Milominderbinder2]

Yes, I'm interested. Is there a link to a schematic to show a typical layout and/or a link to an install manual or set of instructions (when does one need the power inserter, for example).

Thanks,

Stan
Here is the most updated Diagram and Notes on the SWM8 from the HD DVR FAQ. The other link is from a year ago...

Single Wire Multiswitch (SWM) (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=942535#post942535)

This also includes the xls files that used to create the drawings so that you can fiddle with your own drawings to your heart's content!

You will love the SWM8!

Because it is an active device, I saw a jump in signal levels too!

The SWM8 does a great job of combining OTA and satellite on one wire. It can be 1 cable instead of 3 going to your DVR now. You need a good diplexer though to split the OTA back out at the receiver. There is a huge difference between the stuff at the local store and a real diplexer. We did a pretty detailed study.

Here is the comparison chart: Diplexers (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=87891)

- Craig

[Milominderbinder2]

if i may add to your list of very helpful links. here's one i wish to add also
http://dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=94761

ps. Thanks for helping proofread this thread.Thanks I added the link in the SWM document.

- Craig

[anubys]

the only reason I'm not jumping all over this is because I can't do any of the wiring myself...I know it's simple looking at the diagram but I'm so NOT handy that I'd rather pay someone else to do it...

so I'm just going to wait until DirecTV offers it as part of installation and I'll add another TV, an HR20 and get the SWM...

[69hokie]

dave29...I just sent you a pm. Hope I am not too late.

[Sirshagg]

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STILL????

I assume they just forgot to add the following:

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[wwhawkeye]

Dave29:
I hadn't checked the board in a few days and just saw your offer. Is it too late or do you still have sets available?
Bill H.

[dave29]

i have three left

[dave29]

by the way the 2nd batch went out this morning

[tunce]

Do you have any more - I would love one!

[dave29]

i have 2

[tunce]

I just PM'ed you.

[Sirshagg]

I just PM'ed you.

I suspect there is only one left now. Who's going to get it???

[aleicgrant]

I have four HR-20's

will the SWM that you have work with this set up? If so I will take the last one.

also, with the SWM, can you record two, watch one?

[HDTVsportsfan]

Yes and Yes

[Rabushka]

Forgive my confusion but how many standard outputs are there from the SWM? I have 3 HR20s at different locations on a multilevel house. A single RG6 wire is going to each one. Will I be able to use the same wires and then use a splitter for the 2nd tuner after installing the SWM?

Also, one of the tuners has an OVA cable running to it. Will I now be able to have OTA in all 3 tuners using a diplexer if I connect the OVA antenna to ther SWM to the OVA input?

Thanks for any info

[aleicgrant]

Yes and Yes


then I will take the last one

[HDTVsportsfan]

Forgive my confusion but how many standard outputs are there from the SWM? I have 3 HR20s at different locations on a multilevel house. A single RG6 wire is going to each one. Will I be able to use the same wires and then use a splitter for the 2nd tuner after installing the SWM?Thanks for any info


SWM-5 = 2 Legacy ports
SWM-8 = 3 legacy ports

The single needs to be connected to the FTM port on the receiver. After that the receiver does the rest. Not need to use a splitter in this scenario.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1374818&postcount=102

[Sirshagg]

Yes and Yes

So long as the show being watched is one already recorded. You can't record two live shows and watch a 3rd live show. This would be the case no matter how many cables you had going to the HR2x too.

[Sirshagg]

Forgive my confusion but how many standard outputs are there from the SWM? I have 3 HR20s at different locations on a multilevel house. A single RG6 wire is going to each one. Will I be able to use the same wires and then use a splitter for the 2nd tuner after installing the SWM?

Also, one of the tuners has an OVA cable running to it. Will I now be able to have OTA in all 3 tuners using a diplexer if I connect the OVA antenna to ther SWM to the OVA input?

Thanks for any info

I could try to explain it, but you know what they say about a picture...

http://www.dbstalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9657&d=1187410427

[HDTVsportsfan]

So long as the show being watched is one already recorded. You can't record two live shows and watch a 3rd live show. This would be the case no matter how many cables you had going to the HR2x too.


Yes...that is correct. Thanks for the clarification. I just assumed ( hich is never a good thing) that it was a recording. Which is never a good thing.

[aleicgrant]

as long as I can at least record one and watch another is all I care about.

[Sirshagg]

as long as I can at least record one and watch another is all I care about.

No problem with that.

[dave29]

according to my paypal, i still have 3 left. only 7 have been paid for so far

[wwhawkeye]

Sirshagg:

I have a question about the wiring diagram you reposted today. It shows the line coming off the OTA being split and sent directly to the legacy tuners.

I have a Sony HD tuner than can't recognize the satellite for the small market locals, so I diplex the OTA with the satellite signals coming from my current Zinwell multiswitch to get locals. I had assumed that when I put in the SWM8, that I could just run the OTA signal into the SWM then put a diplexer between the SWM legacy port and the Sony tuner (the same configuration I will use with my H20s for HD locals). Does the diagram intend to imply that the SWM won't diplex the OTA signal to the legacy ports? I only have an SDTV attached to the Sony, so I don't need to worry about HD signals.

[Sirshagg]

Sirshagg:

I have a question about the wiring diagram you reposted today. It shows the line coming off the OTA being split and sent directly to the legacy tuners.

I have a Sony HD tuner than can't recognize the satellite for the small market locals, so I diplex the OTA with the satellite signals coming from my current Zinwell multiswitch to get locals. I had assumed that when I put in the SWM8, that I could just run the OTA signal into the SWM then put a diplexer between the SWM legacy port and the Sony tuner (the same configuration I will use with my H20s for HD locals). Does the diagram intend to imply that the SWM won't diplex the OTA signal to the legacy ports? I only have an SDTV attached to the Sony, so I don't need to worry about HD signals.

It's been reported that the OTA signal is ONLY diplexed onto the SWM ports and not the legacy ports of the SWM. I still don't have one of these puppies so I can't really say from practical experience but I trust those that have reported this.

[Rabushka]

SWM-5 = 2 Legacy ports
SWM-8 = 3 legacy ports

The single needs to be connected to the FTM port on the receiver. After that the receiver does the rest. Not need to use a splitter in this scenario.





Sorry But I still don't get it. What is a legacy output as opposed to a regular output? What I am asking is: Can the 3 wires now connected to the Dish be connected to the SWM5 and I split things off at the recievers for the 2 tuners in each of the recievers? I need 3 separate lines from the SWM to my locations. Do I need 3 separate outputs from the SWM5 or can one or two lines be split at the roof coming from the SWM5?

[litzdog911]

SWM-5 = 2 Legacy ports
SWM-8 = 3 legacy ports

The single needs to be connected to the FTM port on the receiver. After that the receiver does the rest. Not need to use a splitter in this scenario.





Sorry But I still don't get it. What is a legacy output as opposed to a regular output? What I am asking is: Can the 3 wires now connected to the Dish be connected to the SWM5 and I split things off at the recievers for the 2 tuners in each of the recievers? I need 3 separate lines from the SWM to my locations. Do I need 3 separate outputs from the SWM5 or can one or two lines be split at the roof coming from the SWM5?

There are four outputs at your dish that must be connected to the four satellite inputs on the SWM. From the FTM outputs to your Receivers/DVRs, it doesn't really matter where the splitters are located.

[bwclark]

As a potential subscriber, just curious if my HD satellite dish and HR21 will be setup using this "SWM8"?

I will probably be subscribing in about two weeks, and was curious. Don't really understand what it is all about, but appears to reduce the need for extra cable runs?

I do have an OTA antenna that I plan to install that may be near the dish. I thought I would have to run a separate coax into the AM21 for that to work...can't go to this SWM8?

:confused:

Cable Guy

[dave29]

you will need a swm8 if you dont want to run 3 lines to your hr21 and am21. you will only need one line from the swm and then you diplex it one out the the swm2 input on your hr21 and one line to your am21

[Kansas Zephyr]

As a potential subscriber, just curious if my HD satellite dish and HR21 will be setup using this "SWM8"?

I will probably be subscribing in about two weeks, and was curious. Don't really understand what it is all about, but appears to reduce the need for extra cable runs?

I do have an OTA antenna that I plan to install that may be near the dish. I thought I would have to run a separate coax into the AM21 for that to work...can't go to this SWM8?

:confused:

Cable Guy
As far as been posted here, the SWM is only out in very limited handful of test markets.

The odds of you getting one with your install are very, very slim.

Plan on not having a SWM.

Also, I don't think it has been announced when the AM21 will become available. So, if you want OTA, ask/beg for an HR20.

You'll need two coax runs from the dish to the HR20 or HR21...and yes, you'll need a separate cable running from the OTA antenna, unless you diplex (search for other threads on how to do that).

[bwclark]

I have already installed four cable runs to the outside of the house for the installer to run whatever is needed for the dish install. I will run a separate line from the antenna to the same location inside for all the interactions.

That should do it then...no SWM needed. :)

Thanks!

[Kansas Zephyr]

I have already installed four cable runs to the outside of the house for the installer to run whatever is needed for the dish install. I will run a separate line from the antenna to the same location inside for all the interactions.

That should do it then...no SWM needed. :)

Thanks!
How many total "boxes" and what models are you having installed?

[bwaldron]

SWM-5 = 2 Legacy ports
SWM-8 = 3 legacy ports

Also note that the SWM-5 does not have the OTA port that the -8 does.

[bwclark]

How many total "boxes" and what models are you having installed?

1 - HR21 for a 1080p HDTV plasma (HD DVR)
1- H21 for a 720p LCD (HD)
HD Plus Package with HD DVR.

It is only about 20' from where the dish will install and then the cabling will drop down along side a downspot to the location of my 4 cables. Inside, where the 4 cables end up, is another cable to the location of the H21.

So, four cables coming down from the dish is not an issue for out of sight issue.

My antenna is a self install, and I will take the RG6 to the location of the HR21.
The AM21 will be installed once available, but until then, the cable Co. locals will be used.

Am I ok with this?

[Kansas Zephyr]

1 - HR21 for a 1080p HDTV plasma (HD DVR)
1- H21 for a 720p LCD (HD)
HD Plus Package with HD DVR.

It is only about 20' from where the dish will install and then the cabling will drop down along side a downspot to the location of my 4 cables. Inside, where the 4 cables end up, is another cable to the location of the H21.

So, four cables coming down from the dish is not an issue for out of sight issue.

My antenna is a self install, and I will take the RG6 to the location of the HR21.
The AM21 will be installed once available, but until then, the cable Co. locals will be used.

Am I ok with this?
Yep you're good.

If you don't want to run another cable, you can use two for the HR21 and one for the H21. Then use the fourth for the antenna. But, if you want OTA for both locations, you'll need a simple splitter.

But, if you want to run additional cable, it won't hurt. If you wish to expand, down the road, you can take those 4 runs to go from the dish to a future multiswitch or SWM.

[dave29]

only 1 left and no wii offers :(

[bwclark]

Yep you're good.

If you don't want to run another cable, you can use two for the HR21 and one for the H21. Then use the fourth for the antenna. But, if you want OTA for both locations, you'll need a simple splitter.

But, if you want to run additional cable, it won't hurt. If you wish to expand, down the road, you can take those 4 runs to go from the dish to a future multiswitch or SWM.

Thanks for review!

I was under the impression that the HD dish had four cables connected? But no, just three, use two for the HR21 and the other for coupling to the H21 line.

Then I can use the fourth to connect my run from the antenna.

Sorry for all the Off Topic questions, but this SWM8 had me thinking if I would get one and just how that would be of benefit....mainly cable reduction...that I really don't need for my situation at this time.

Thanks much,
Bob

[HDTVsportsfan]

The HD dish (Slimline) does have four cables coming from it. And you need all four if you're going to feed an SWM or WB68 multiswitch.

[bwclark]

The HD dish (Slimline) does have four cables coming from it. And you need all four if you're going to feed an SWM or WB68 multiswitch.


"If you don't want to run another cable, you can use two for the HR21 and one for the H21. Then use the fourth for the antenna."

Did I misunderstand his statement? Two for the HR21 and one for the H21? I can use the other line for the antenna.

I will have to read up on the purpose of the four cables from the HD dish, evidently they each do something different with signals....they are not duplicative then.

ugh. :confused:

[HDTVsportsfan]

My apologies bwclark. I went back and re-read the last 20 or so posts. If you only have a total of 3 tuners, then yes Kansas is correct. You're good to go. For some reason I thought you wanted/needed an SWM. Although my previous post is correct, it does not apply to you. I got you confused w/ a previous poster. Again, I'm sorry for making this more difficult than it needed to be. Good luck w/ your install.

[bwclark]

Excellent...appreciate the reply as I have only been on the satellite stuff for a week trying to understand what I need to do to prepare, and noticed this Thread about SWMs, etc.....:lol:

Maybe a quick answer: are the lines from the dish duplicative? To avoid signal loss from using one line and splitting it? ie two for the HR21 for two tuners, one for the H21 for one tuner.

Bob
*4 decade cable user*

[dave29]

you cant split the lines unless you run all four from the sat. into a swm. or if you run 4 lines into a wb68 multiswitch that will give you 8 outputs, but you cant split those outputs

[Sixto]

Now that the 2nd SWM8 is on the way (thanks dave29!), just want to confirm that the correct splitter to split the 4 lines before two (2) SWM8's is a splitter with only 1-side power passing such as the following:

http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/Perfect/PV23-402_Satellite-Splitter.htm

If anyone has any concerns or comments, would appreciate it.

Otherwise about to order four (4) of the above splitters.

Will have the dish to the four (4) splitters to two (2) SWM8's.

[litzdog911]

Now that the 2nd SWM8 is on the way (thanks dave29!), just want to confirm that the correct splitter to split the 4 lines before two (2) SWM8's is a splitter with only 1-side power passing such as the following:

http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/Perfect/PV23-402_Satellite-Splitter.htm

If anyone has any concerns or comments, would appreciate it.

Otherwise about to order four (4) of the above splitters.

Will have the dish to the four (4) splitters to two (2) SWM8's.

Those splitters will work fine.

[Rabushka]

Sirshagg,

According to the diagram you posted, the output of the pi is teed off and split before going to the splitters. The DirecTV diagram shows the output of the pi going directly to a splitter. Is this an error?

[Kansas Zephyr]

Question:

Can you use a power passing splitter on FTM1?

For example:
FTM1--->power passing side of splitter output-->coax-->Power Injector-->1st HR20 FTM Sat input
-------->non-power passing side of splitter output-->coax-->2nd HR20 FTM Sat input

FTM2-->"normal" splitter output-->coax-->3rd HR20 FTM Sat input
------->other output of "normal" splitter"-->coax-->4th HR20 FTM Sat input

Note: The use of diplexers has not been included to limit the confusion that this question will probably generate. ;)

The reason I ask is all of my single coax runs start from a box on my home's exterior. So, I can't split after the PI (to IRD) output. I would like to balance the FTM outputs, rather than using a three-way splitter on FTM2 (feeding 6 tuners), and the single HR20 (2 tuners) running off of FTM1.

Thanks

[Sirshagg]

Sirshagg,

According to the diagram you posted, the output of the pi is teed off and split before going to the splitters. The DirecTV diagram shows the output of the pi going directly to a splitter. Is this an error?

First off let me say that I did not create this image. It was the work of someone more knowledgeable than me on these matters.

I'm not sure I understand the question though... What does the part in bold mean? I see the output of the PI being split into A and B, A goes directly to a receiver and B is split again into C & D which both go to receivers.

[Sirshagg]

Question:

Can you use a power passing splitter on FTM1?

For example:
FTM1--->power passing side of splitter output-->coax-->Power Injector-->1st HR20 FTM Sat input
-------->non-power passing side of splitter output-->coax-->2nd HR20 FTM Sat input

FTM2-->"normal" splitter output-->coax-->3rd HR20 FTM Sat input
------->other output of "normal" splitter"-->coax-->4th HR20 FTM Sat input

Note: The use of diplexers has not been included to limit the confusion that this question will probably generate. ;)

The reason I ask is all of my single coax runs start from a box on my home's exterior. So, I can't split after the PI (to IRD) output. I would like to balance the FTM outputs, rather than using a three-way splitter on FTM2 (feeding 6 tuners), and the single HR20 (2 tuners) running off of FTM1.

Thanks

Not sure about that but I think you could put the PI on the SWM1 leg with or without a receiver connected to the PI output (terminate the output though). Then you could split the SWM2 leg as much as you want.

[Kansas Zephyr]

Then you could split the SWM2 leg as much as you want.
I understand that, thanks.

But if you read closely that's what I want to avoid, if possible. Just wondering.

[Sirshagg]

I understand that, thanks.

But if you read closely that's what I want to avoid, if possible. Just wondering.
:uglyhamme

[veryoldschool]

I understand that, thanks.

But if you read closely that's what I want to avoid, if possible. Just wondering.
You can split before the PI if you need to. If there is nothing on the PI output, it should be terminated as all unused ports should be with the SWM.

[Kansas Zephyr]

You can split before the PI if you need to. If there is nothing on the PI output, it should be terminated as all unused ports should be with the SWM.
VOS...please check out my question on post #198.

Can you answer that, please?

[wwhawkeye]

It's been reported that the OTA signal is ONLY diplexed onto the SWM ports and not the legacy ports of the SWM. I still don't have one of these puppies so I can't really say from practical experience but I trust those that have reported this.

So now I wonder whether I can put a diplexer AFTER the Legacy output and bring in the OTA there. It's beginning to sound like the SWM legacy output functions like a traditional multiswitch, so diplexing after the switch ought to work.

Waddya think?

[Kansas Zephyr]

So now I wonder whether I can put a diplexer AFTER the Legacy output and bring in the OTA there. It's beginning to sound like the SWM legacy output functions like a traditional multiswitch, so diplexing after the switch ought to work.

Waddya think?
From what I've read here...YES!

[Sirshagg]

So now I wonder whether I can put a diplexer AFTER the Legacy output and bring in the OTA there. It's beginning to sound like the SWM legacy output functions like a traditional multiswitch, so diplexing after the switch ought to work.

Waddya think?

Havn't seen anything to indiate you couldn't do that.

[houskamp]

So now I wonder whether I can put a diplexer AFTER the Legacy output and bring in the OTA there. It's beginning to sound like the SWM legacy output functions like a traditional multiswitch, so diplexing after the switch ought to work.

Waddya think?
yes since the legacy ports don't pass the D10 signals..

[dave29]

looks like these 10 are all gone, (45 in all) if anyone else is interested i will order 10 more monday. just pm me

[Sixto]

For those installing the new SWM8's, what's the firmware level?

Current HR2x code shows SWM Firmware version & SWM Library version.

Original SWM8 showed Firmware 1.0.1 and Library 1.0.0.

[veryoldschool]

For those installing the new SWM8's, what's the firmware level?

Current HR2x code shows SWM Firmware version & SWM Library version.

Original SWM8 showed Firmware 1.0.1 and Library 1.0.0.
"should be" 1.0.4

[carl6]

VOS...please check out my question on post #198.

Can you answer that, please?

Yes, you could wire the way you describe.

However, you really gain nothing over splitting the other way. I've done it both ways, and have seen no difference at all in operation. I've got all 8 channels of an SWM8 active and it just simply works.

Carl

[qlanus]

Dave - Put me down for a SWM8 & PI. I PM'd you.

[Sixto]

"should be" 1.0.4Been always curious what's the difference between 1.0.4 and the original 1.0.1?

Would the older 1.0.1 ever effect day-to-day operations in a negative way?

I plan to put the main production boxes on the new 1.0.4 SWM-8 and the not so critical (kids room) boxes on the old SWM-8.

[Michael D'Angelo]

Been always curious what's the difference between 1.0.4 and the original 1.0.1?

Would the older 1.0.1 ever effect day-to-day operations in a negative way?

I plan to put the main production boxes on the new 1.0.4 SWM-8 and the not so critical (kids room) boxes on the old SWM-8.

The only difference I have heard is the H20's will not allow you to force a download withe 1.0.1.

I believe they can automatically update but no force update.

If I am not correct about that someone please correct me.

[bopfer]

Can the 15' cable to the PI be coiled up? Or does it have to be 15' of straight cable?

[Kansas Zephyr]

Yes, you could wire the way you describe.

However, you really gain nothing over splitting the other way. I've done it both ways, and have seen no difference at all in operation. I've got all 8 channels of an SWM8 active and it just simply works.

Carl
OK thanks.

I was under the impression that two separate RF "feeds" were generated, one for each output, rather than one output that is simply split into two inside the SWM.

If it was the former I would have been worried that FTM1 was 100% of the signal output, and only 33.3% signal on FTM2 after being split three ways.

[Michael D'Angelo]

Can the 15' cable to the PI be coiled up? Or does it have to be 15' of straight cable?

Yes it can be. That is how I have mine.

[Sixto]

The only difference I have heard is the H20's will not allow you to force a download withe 1.0.1.

I believe they can automatically update but no force update.

If I am not correct about that someone please correct me.Thanks.

I only have HR2x's and H21's so maybe ok.

Wish there was a way to upgrade an old SWM8 or trade-in for 1.0.4. Might have been other stuff in 1.0.2 and 1.0.3 as well ...

[Michael D'Angelo]

Thanks.

I only have HR2x's and H21's so maybe ok.

Wish there was a way to upgrade an old SWM8 or trade-in for 1.0.4. Might have been other stuff in 1.0.2 and 1.0.3 as well ...

I am sure there is a few others changes made but I am not sure what they are.

But I can say that I have been up and running since the beginning of July and I have not had one problem with mine. So I am fine with what I have.

But I do want to add a 2nd one at some point to replace my SWM8 and when I do I will make sure my H20 is on that unit.

[Sixto]

I am sure there is a few others changes made but I am not sure what they are.

But I can say that I have been up and running since the beginning of July and I have not had one problem with mine. So I am fine with what I have.

But I do want to add a 2nd one at some point to replace my SWM8 and when I do I will make sure my H20 is on that unit.Same here.

SWM-8 since April. Not one problem.

But I always wonder if lip-sync or other small really minor stuff may be affected by the 1.0.1 level.

[veryoldschool]

OK thanks.

I was under the impression that two separate RF "feeds" were generated, one for each output, rather than one output that is simply split into two inside the SWM.

If it was the former I would have been worried that FTM1 was 100% of the signal output, and only 33.3% signal on FTM2 after being split three ways.
There does seem to be more than just an internal splitter for the two outputs.
I have seven tuners on my SWM8 and when I go into my setup screen to look at the SWM channels, I get different readings off each port.

[veryoldschool]

But I always wonder if lip-sync or other small really minor stuff may be affected by the 1.0.1 level.
Since the video & audio is still encoded, I doubt the SWM firmware has anything to do with it.
The firmware would be only for receiver compatibility and it seems the early H20s needed a change to the preproduction firmware.

[carl6]

There does seem to be more than just an internal splitter for the two outputs.
I have seven tuners on my SWM8 and when I go into my setup screen to look at the SWM channels, I get different readings off each port.

I have actually seen different readings on two HR20's connected to the same SWM port on that screen. I have never been able to figure out exactly what it is showing or how it comes up with it.

Carl

[Kansas Zephyr]

Thank you Dave! :)

Got your package today, and have it installed!

Works great. 2 Sat tuners active! Yeah buddy!

Question: Since this is D* branded equipment and was purchased via a reseller, would it be covered if I got the protection plan?

[dave29]

i would assume so if you have the protection plan

[69hokie]

Thank you Dave! :)

Got your package today, and have it installed!

Works great. 2 Sat tuners active! Yeah buddy!

Question: Since this is D* branded equipment and was purchased via a reseller, would it be covered if I got the protection plan?

I believe coverage would start at 30 days following initiation of the protection plan. If you already have the plan, coverage should be good at the beginning of installation.

[trafferty]

Can the SWM 8 be kept outside in a weatherproof box? I only have two runs coming from the outside of my house so the only way to get four would be to put the box out side.

[Michael D'Angelo]

Can the SWM 8 be kept outside in a weatherproof box? I only have two runs coming from the outside of my house so the only way to get four would be to put the box out side.

Welcome to DBSTalk

Yes, but the PI (power supply) needs to be inside. You can install that by one of your receivers if you want.

[Sirshagg]

Thank you Dave! :)

Got your package today, and have it installed!

Works great. 2 Sat tuners active! Yeah buddy!

Question: Since this is D* branded equipment and was purchased via a reseller, would it be covered if I got the protection plan?

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[houskamp]

Can the SWM 8 be kept outside in a weatherproof box? I only have two runs coming from the outside of my house so the only way to get four would be to put the box out side.
my swm has been mounted on the dish from day one.. PI must be inside..

[dave29]

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Could TODAY finally be my day???

[dave29]

has anyone besides kansaszephyr got theres yet

[Sirshagg]

it definitely would have been worth the few extra bucks for faster shipping.

[dave29]

it definitely would have been worth the few extra bucks for faster shipping.

i was just trying to get them to you guys as cheap as possible.

[Sirshagg]

i was just trying to get them to you guys as cheap as possible.

I know.

[dave29]

I know.



hey shirshagg, i bet everyone has theres but you.:lol:

[Sirshagg]

hey shirshagg, i bet everyone has theres but you.:lol:

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[phlevin]

I'm still waiting on mine here in NYC. Last update at USPS was Cincinnati, OH last week. Should be soon.

Question, for splitters with just one SWM. Sorry if I'm being dense. They go off the SWM 1 port after the PI toward the receivers, are they power passing on one or both legs, not at all or doesn't matter? I looked though the links but somehow it is not clear to me. Is there a preferred splitter, the ChannelMaster 7993, Skywalker Signature Series, Perfect Vision PV23-402 or something else?

Thanks

[veryoldschool]

I'm still waiting on mine here in NYC. Last update at USPS was Cincinnati, OH last week. Should be soon.

Question, for splitters with just one SWM. Sorry if I'm being dense. They go off the SWM 1 port after the PI toward the receivers, are they power passing on one or both legs, not at all or doesn't matter? I looked though the links but somehow it is not clear to me. Is there a preferred splitter, the ChannelMaster 7993, Skywalker Signature Series, Perfect Vision PV23-402 or something else?

Thanks
This one works fine: http://www.solidsignal.tv/prod_display.asp?PROD=SP2WAPHL
You can use it before or after the PI.

[DBSNewbie]

has anyone besides kansaszephyr got theres yet

Still haven't received mine, but considering I'm in Los Angeles, it's understandable. According to the updated shipping confirmation, it left Cincinnati on the 9th.

By the way, I too, would have paid extra for faster shipping.

[Stanley Kritzik]

Here is the most updated Diagram and Notes on the SWM8 from the HD DVR FAQ. The other link is from a year ago...

Single Wire Multiswitch (SWM) (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=942535#post942535)

This also includes the xls files that used to create the drawings so that you can fiddle with your own drawings to your heart's content!

You will love the SWM8!

Because it is an active device, I saw a jump in signal levels too!

The SWM8 does a great job of combining OTA and satellite on one wire. It can be 1 cable instead of 3 going to your DVR now. You need a good diplexer though to split the OTA back out at the receiver. There is a huge difference between the stuff at the local store and a real diplexer. We did a pretty detailed study.

Here is the comparison chart: Diplexers (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=87891)

- Craig

Thanks,

Stan

[Kansas Zephyr]

The only knock I have, so far, is that my OTA signals are lower via the SWM8.

Before I was using a simple 4-way splitter on the antenna feed, then diplexing after the BBCs for three single runs to HR20s and one single run to a R10 (using the OTA for analog fall-back).

I'm only splitting the OTA 3-ways now, since the R10 is now on a legacy port (bye-bye analog backup there), yet the signals are up to 20% lower.

I still have enough signal to drive everything, so I don't plan to remove the OTA from the SWM and go back to using diplexers on the FTM outputs. But, still I was hoping that the SWM would have a distribution amp for the OTA built-in.

BTW...the legacy ports. The theory is that they are like ports from a "normal" multi-switch, right? Has anyone tried (actually hooked-up) a BBC on one of these to see if you can go single tuner "old school" and get everything on a H/HR20/21? Just curious.

Thanks.

[veryoldschool]

BTW...the legacy ports. The theory is that they are like ports from a "normal" multi-switch, right? Has anyone tried (actually hooked-up) a BBC on one of these to see if you can go single tuner "old school" and get everything on a H/HR20/21? Just curious.

Thanks.
Yes and it doesn't work.
You can get Ka-hi out a legacy port but not Ka-lo [for the BBC].

[Kansas Zephyr]

Yes and it doesn't work.
You can get Ka-hi out a legacy port but not Ka-lo [for the BBC].
Darn.

Thanks

[Sirshagg]

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Could TODAY finally be my day???


Apparently today isn't my day either. For some reason it takes 3 days to make it from one end of town to another. Go figure.

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[jhc13]

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Now I just need to call in scared to work so I can get it installed (I'm afraid I won't be able to make it in today)...

Thanks a bunch Dave!

John

[dave29]

no problem

[Sixto]

Ordered the 2-way splitters today (1-side power pass) ... all set for the re-configuration when the 2nd SWM-8 arrives ...