Need Suggestions for Installation on 1.5 Galivanized pipe.

[joe_cool]

I just had to reschedule the my HD install because rain and because i have a 1 1/2 galvanized pipe cemented into the ground What can i do to get a 2" pipe for the new slimline dish install.

thanks

Joe

[Mike500]

The AT9 slimline needs a post that is exactly two inches in diameter. What is called 2 inch pipe is actually 2-3/8 inches and too large. I-1/2 inch "pipe" is too small with an actual diameter of 1.90 inches.

As subcontractors for a number of satellite dealerships, we can order the two inch "actual" posts, but it comes to $26 or so weach delivered in lots of 50 or more.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150222824619&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=005

One of my fellow subcontractors have develpoed an adapter to use a 1-5/8 actual chain link fence line post. It is very sturdy, when a green "T" post is placed inside and bolted together. The whole assembly costs no more tham $10 at Home Depot. Or, you can get schedule 40 1-1/4 inch pipe or heavy wall conduit with an actual diameter of 1-5/8 inches. Sounds complicated, but it is really very easy.

The adapter makes the top of the pipe two inches exactly, and the slimline dish mount fits perfectly.

[joe_cool]

Mike500 Thanks for the quick response. Don't mean to be stupid :-) the adapter from ebay how is that mounted so that it doesn't turn. What i have is a 16' pipe that is cemented into the ground where the 3 lnb dish is mounted on the top. With that adpator it looks like it was made for the j mount. you said that i could use schedule 40 pipe with diamater 1 5/8" i thought i needed exactly 2" for the dish to be mounted.

[Mike500]

Joe,

It requires no extra bolts. The bolts that clamp on the mast transfers the pressure directly to the post as it clamps down on the adapter with a trememendous ampont of pressure like a collet chuck on a router bit.

Yes, it will mount on schedule 40 1-1/4" trade size pipe, with an actual diameter of 1-5/8 inches.

The 2 inch actual mount of the dish will fit it perfectly.

It's so easy, it is hard to believe. My friend sells a lot of these to dealers around the country. We have installed over 250 locally. We have not gotten any callbacks in two years plus of use.

[joe_cool]

Mike thanks for clarifying it I am ordering one now. Hopefully i will have it before next Saturday when i have my rescheduled installed. :)

[Mike500]

Joe,

The guy ships it off smetimes on the same day, if you get the order in before noon.

[joe_cool]

Cool Thanks just ordered it. This make my life a whole lot easier i didn't know what i was going to use to get the new hd dish installed.

[Mike500]

Joe,

Just make sure that the outside diameter of the pipe measures exactly 1-5/8 inches. When I go to Lowe's or Home Depot, or any hardware store, I'd just go to the tool department and borrow a measuring tape from there.

Good luck,

Mike

[joe_cool]

Mike,

Can't i just put it on the existing galvanized pipe i have mounted now. the best i can measure is 1 1/2 will this work or do i need something else?

[Mike500]

Mike,

Can't i just put it on the existing galvanized pipe i have mounted now. the best i can measure is 1 1/2 will this work or do i need something else?


That's a little small. It should be 1-5/8 inches. I'd go to Home Depot and get the 1-5/8 chain link fence line post and the farmer's "T" post. If you get a 2 inch long 1/4 inch bolt and nut. you can drill a hole through near the bottom of the galvanized post and through the green fence post and bolt the whole assembly together. The blade on the green post will keep the assembly from turning. If you grout the space between the green post and the galvanized post with the same concrete that you cement the post into the hole, you will have a superstrong reinforced concrete post assembly.

That is how we do it for the most secure mount.

[joe_cool]

It stopped raining for me to go get a specific measurement. It measures 1 5/8" outer diameter so I should be good :-)

[Mike500]

Great,

If you has a Phase III dish mounted on it, it would be 1-5/8 inches.

I just got a call from my friend who sells the adapters. He says he is mailing it out, today. He also told me that the roof install you see in the listing was done by one of his customers in the Oyster Point section of Newport News near Patrick Henry Mall. I believe that is not far from you in Smithfield.

Again; Good luck!

[joe_cool]

i do have the phase 3 dish. Your right Oyster point is not far from me in fact i work in Oyster Point. Thanks for you help.

[Dirac]

I had the same issue and discovered the Dish Network SuperDish pole is also 2" O.D. For whatever reason, Dish is bigger here (I think they had locals before DirecTV did) so I was able to get one from a Dish dealer for $15.

[Mike500]

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=SKY5999

This is probably and most likely the satellite pole supplied to the Dish Netetwork dealer. Dish Network no longer does new installs for the Type I SuperDish.

From the specs in the description, it is a very thin 18 gauge galivanized tube, quite a bit thinner than 16 gauge steel used even in a galvanized steel chain link fence line post, which is .065 or 1/16 inches thick. Schedule 40 is twice as thick at nearly 1/8 inch thick.

Placing a farmer's "T" post inside and concreting it inside the 16 gauge post makes it equivalent to and stronger even than the scedule 40 post. Bolting them together also solves the problem of keeping the assembly from turning.

We like the convience of this system, because we need to stock and carry only one pole on the truck. Also. this system allows us to switch customers between Dish Network and DirecTV, either SD and HD with ease.

[joe_cool]

Mike thanks again for the help I receive the adapter yesterday. :eek2: I can't believe how fast i got it. now I can't wait until the installer comes on Saturday. :grin:

[CopyCat]

I used a piece of 2" OD electrical plastic conduit and cut a slot in it with my band saw, works great over the existing 3 lnb pipe.

[NuStar]

Mike, thanks for the info. Just ordered the eBay product.

[Mike500]

Mike, thanks for the info. Just ordered the eBay product.

Hope it works out for all who use it......We really save a lot of time with them.

There was a lot of time spent by my friend in trial and error in getting it made right. If someone else wants to save a few dollars by doing it themselves, that's fine. We spend over a year in testing and perfecting the size, material and process in making it. We also used ASTM and UL approved high impact UV protected material with a service life of 20 years or more.

[joe_cool]

Well after the third reschedule, Installer refused to install dish with Adapter. Any suggestions to how to get a new slim line dish installed?
Should I just purchase the dish myself install it and then have directv do the hd install?

[Mike500]

Well after the third reschedule, Installer refused to install dish with Adapter. Any suggestions to how to get a new slim line dish installed?
Should I just purchase the dish myself install it and then have directv do the hd install?

Yeah, I'd get one off of eBay. They are not that expensive, there. If you talk to DirecTV, they might reimburese you for the dish and the install costs. It's worth a try.


If you get lease the receiver from Best Buy, you are assured of getting a new one, not a refurbished one.

[joe_cool]

I was thinking along that line I have a costco membership so i could get it a little cheaper. I just hate to pay for lease equipment when this was going to be a free install and hd dvr. The box the installer got out was a brown cardboard box so i assume it was refurbished. The cheapest i could find on email was about $80 shipped.

[Mike500]

Also, you might try a local dealer.

[Mike500]

I was thinking along that line I have a costco membership so i could get it a little cheaper. I just hate to pay for lease equipment when this was going to be a free install and hd dvr. The box the installer got out was a brown cardboard box so i assume it was refurbished. The cheapest i could find on email was about $80 shipped.

Unfortunately, ALL HD DirecTV dvr's are NOW leased, unless you pay around $800 for it.

[joe_cool]

thanks Mike for the suggestions.. I'll see what i can find. I did find 1 on ebay for $60 shipped. How hard are they to install?

[joe_cool]

What i thought i would do first is get the Dish installed and then see if i can get the same deal with the hd dvr installed for free.

[Mike500]

Not that hard. The guy did that one in Oyster Point.

As I recall, he used the old receiver to lock on to 101, 110 and 119.

Then, he used the new receiver to do the "dithering" adjustments to peak 99 and 103.

Here is a link to an online copy of the Slimiline Install Manual;

http://www.solidsignal.com/manuals/Slimline_Dish_Installation_Manual.pdf

[Mike500]

What i thought i would do first is get the Dish installed and then see if i can get the same deal with the hd dvr installed for free.


Sounds like a good idea; If you don't get the signal right, the installer is obligated to do it for you.

Still, I'd complain to DirecTV. They might STILL give you a programming credit.

[joe_cool]

Thanks Mike for you help ... I"ll keep you posted.

[joe_cool]

Mike
This seems to be the cheapest I can find on ebay. Would you buy it or do you think i could get it cheaper somewhere else?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SLIM-DIRECT-TV-HIGH-DEF-Ka-Ku-MULTI-SAT-5-LNB-DISH_W0QQitemZ180224743790QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 180224743790

Also found this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200207329563&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us

[joe_cool]

Mike,

Just had a crazy thought, what if i had Direct TV install the dish on a new pole in my yard and run the cable to the ones up on the house. Leave the original dish in place and have them install the new receiver. then later install the dish on my pole the way i want. That way i wouldn't have to pay for the dish.

[Mike500]

Sure, Joe............


That'll work.... We need to skin that cat!!!!!!!!!!!

[iamcasacnu]

Hey guys, hope all is well....

Mike quick question for you, sorry to sound like a newbie but I want to make sure this will work.....the item you linked to ebay....the adapter....does this device fit over or inside the 1-5/8" pipe?? With this device can I eliminate the "J" pole to have one longstanding pole with the adapter on top??

Joe...just my two cents, but I would go with the self install...I have installed 3 of these things over the last two years (two of them being re-installs from moves) and I think the benefits outwiegh the little bit of work. A. You have someone who cares about what the install looks like, you the homeowner! B. I found it helpful to teach myself everything about these HD slimlines in case something ever went wrong I either save myself an $80 service call or $5 a month protection plan...it really isn't as hard as people make it out to be....and heck you already bought the adapter I'm looking at getting!!!

Oh and shout out to Oyster Point/Smithfield...I went to CNU!

Thanks!

[Mike500]

Hey guys, hope all is well....

Mike quick question for you, sorry to sound like a newbie but I want to make sure this will work.....the item you linked to ebay....the adapter....does this device fit over or inside the 1-5/8" pipe?? With this device can I eliminate the "J" pole to have one longstanding pole with the adapter on top??

Both;

It will either mount on the old "J" pole or any freestanding 1-5/8" pole. It eliminates replacing the OLD "J" pole and/or installing a new ground pole.

If your ground pole is thin gauge, I recommend that you get a farmer's "T" post from Home Depot for about $3, and remove the anti-turn anchor plate. It shoves right in easily. Then, to make it superstrong, I'd fill the space with fine concrete.

[joe_cool]

iamcasacnu:

I decided to do the self install and I ordered the dish yesterday. Found out from Directv that they would charge me up to $85 for a new pole. I said forget that and order the dish. I also ordered a new grounding block and new cables with compressions fittings from sat pro tv. all total with shipping $107 but like you said I would know it is done right. I went to CNU for a few semesters just before they became CNU it was Christopher Newport College when i went. then they changed and the classes i needed were during the day and I had a full time job. so I didn't go back. Now I am just finishing up with an online college. Where exactly is Pulaski, VA ah just found it on the google.

[iamcasacnu]

I moved forward and bought the apdater on sat. on ebay. joe glad to see you are doing the self install, if you come up with any issues I'm sure one of us could help out here.

Yeah Pulaski is a world away from the News....hope to get up there sometime this summer to visist some folks and grab some P.F. Chang's in Va Beach!!!! Love that place.

[MIMOTech]

Try this site for steel tubing in any size or length.....

www.metalsdepot.com/products/hrsteel2.phtml?page=rndtube&LimAcc=$LimAcc

[Brent04]

Here is another option for an adapter. I used it today.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=SKY1101

[Mike500]

Here is another option for an adapter. I used it today.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=SKY1101

Too expensive.

And, it's not for increasing the size of the old 1-5/8 inch pole. It clamps on an OLD large size c-band pole.

[raoul5788]

Too expensive.

And, it's not for increasing the size of the old 1-5/8 inch pole. It clamps on an OLD large size c-band pole.

Actually, that's exactly what's it for, not a c-band pole. They are 3-4" in diameter. This adapter is for a 1 5/8" pole.

[Mike500]

Actually, that's exactly what's it for, not a c-band pole. They are 3-4" in diameter. This adapter is for a 1 5/8" pole.

That adapter actually has a slot that clamps to the rim of a pole. It is NOT meant to slip over and clamp over the entire pole.

We have been using this type since the DirecTV conversion of the Primestar poles since 1999.

[raoul5788]

That adapter actually has a slot that clamps to the rim of a pole. It is NOT meant to slip over and clamp over the entire pole.

We have been using this type since the DirecTV conversion of the Primestar poles since 1999.

"Use that existing pole and save money! Just slide the lip over the edge of the existing pipe and tighten the bolts." This is from the Solidsignal website. And again, it's not for a c-band pole. They are much bigger.

[Brent04]

That adapter actually has a slot that clamps to the rim of a pole. It is NOT meant to slip over and clamp over the entire pole.

We have been using this type since the DirecTV conversion of the Primestar poles since 1999.

I installed one the other day. It is for the 1 5/8 poll that DirecTV used for the older dishes. It slides over the poll and has two bolts that secure it.

[Mike500]

The slot slides over a larger pole like a vent pipe. The two bolts clamp on the outer tip part of a vent pipe or c-band pole.

If the inside of the adpater is not within 1-2 thousandth of the 1-5/8 inch pipe, when the adpater is not used as it was designed, the adapter would not be plumb, if the original pipe was plumb.

[uscboy]

Hmm, the guy driving the DirecTV van just gave me my pole... no adapter
needed. He had a pile of them in the van.

Course, you'd have to have an install set up already... hard to install yourself
ahead of time and then set up an appt. without having the pole first.

Surprising how difficult it is to find a 2" outer-diameter pole locally though...
no wonder those adapters sell well!

[raoul5788]

The slot slides over a larger pole like a vent pipe. The two bolts clamp on the outer tip part of a vent pipe or c-band pole.

If the inside of the adpater is not within 1-2 thousandth of the 1-5/8 inch pipe, when the adpater is not used as it was designed, the adapter would not be plumb, if the original pipe was plumb.

I don't understand why you keep mentioning a c-band pole. This adapter isn't meant for one.

[Mike500]

I don't understand why you keep mentioning a c-band pole. This adapter isn't meant for one.

Picture says it all.

[raoul5788]

Picture says it all.

I get it now. It doesn't look like it would be too stable with a Slimline on it. Isn't it really designed to go over a 1 5/8" post?

[Mike500]

I Isn't it really designed to go over a 1 5/8" post?


No! If it was, it would be within 1-3 thousandths of an inch of 1.67 inches inside. And, there would be c clamp spaced exactly where the bottom of the two inch dish socket would be to provide "plumb" and concentric alignment to the axis of the original 1-5/8 inch pole.

The adapter that my colleague designed is the ideal setup.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150230471763&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=005

It is better than metal, since it has an ideal "Shore Durometer" and it is rigid, while having just enough compressivity to conform to both the existing mast and the inside of the clamp on socket of the bracket of the slimline, using no extra bolts.

[joe_cool]

Mike,

Just wanted to say thanks for all the help. I just installed the new dish i purchases from Ebay. It works great. had A friend/installer independent contractor (installs for dish). Great Signal Strength with all three sats. in the 90's just like with my 3 lnb on a cloudy day. Oh and the adapter works great. I highly recommend it. It saves a lot of headache with trying to find a new pole. The one mistake i made was going by the 3 lnb settings. I went to Dishpointer.com and found the correct settings for the 5 lnb duh :rolleyes: Once we had the correct settings it only took a couple of minutes to get the signal tuned it perfectly.

Joe

[Mike500]

Joe,

I'm so glad that everything worked out for you. My friend worked on that adapter for over a year, with a lot of more expensive prototypes. We found that metal was not a good option. In the days before polymer plastics, a lead alloy would have been used, since hardness could be controlled. Today, it would be environmentally unsound. Amazingly, it came out to be simple, easy to use and effective, in the latest form.

Raoul,

I was able to secure a better photo of the clamp on adapter used in the way it was designed. This was used on a Dish500, but the AT9/AU9 use of this adapter follows the same concept.

In the past, I have made a similar adapter by placing the smaller pole into the larger one, drilling a couple of holes through the outer pipe and bolting inner pipe that had been tapped to take the screws. Efectively, it made the adapter rock solid, instead of the flimsly clamp on.

[Richard]

Mike,

Is this the same item as you have mentioned above:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150374588931

The eBay link you have mentioned above no longer exists.

Also seems to be the same being sold here: http://www.2000networks.com/DirecTV-Dish-Pipe-Mounting-Adapter-p/dirpipeadapter.htm