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rocatman
03-18-08, 08:13 PM
Perhaps the biggest impact to Dish resulting from the Proton Launch Vehicle failure on the AMC-14 mission might be at 129 W. The Dish satellite there is E-5 that is running out of propellant because attitude control failures have it using propellant at a faster rate than normal. It needs to be taken out of service and moved to a higher non-geostationary orbit in the first half of 2009. The replacement satellite Ciel-2 is scheduled to be launched in second half of 2008 on a Proton Launch Vehicle, again the same one that failed on the AMC-14 mission. Dish is going to have to move another DBS satellite there if Ciel-2 can not be launched before E-5 needs to be taken out of service.

As a side note the E-13 satellite aka CMBStar that is suppose to be used for the Summer Olympics in China was also scheduled to be launched on a Proton Launch Vehicle in June. I wonder if Dish would slip the E-11 launch on SeaLaunch so that CMBStar could get launched in time for the Olympics.
James Long
03-18-08, 08:31 PM
We'll keep an eye on the sky ...

DISH was planning to move E6 to 77° in May ... perhaps they will put that on hold and move E6 to 129°.

DISH's lease of Nimiq 5 at 72.5° should help as well (who is launching that?).

DISH is still going to have the largest DBS fleet in the sky ... larger by multiples of transponders ... without messing around with Ka or (for the most part) Ku FSS dishes.
HobbyTalk
03-18-08, 09:09 PM
ILS is suppose to launch Nimiq 5

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5085
rocatman
03-19-08, 07:01 AM
Nimiq 5 is scheduled to be launched on a Proton.
tvjay
03-19-08, 10:02 AM
DISH's lease of Nimiq 5 at 72.5° should help as well (who is launching that?).

I thought 72.5 was for DirecTV?
James Long
03-19-08, 10:11 AM
It was, and still is today, but in 2009 when Nimiq5 replaces DirecTV1 their lease ends and (per a SEC filing posed elsewhere on this forum) DISH is leasing at least half of the capacity.
alebowgm
03-19-08, 10:54 AM
It was, and still is today, but in 2009 when Nimiq5 replaces DirecTV1 their lease ends and (per a SEC filing posed elsewhere on this forum) DISH is leasing at least half of the capacity.

Which in other words means DirecTV is going to have to shift its local programming off of 72.5.
James Long
03-19-08, 11:00 AM
That too! :lol:

(Not to say that DISH is kicking DirecTV off of the slot ... DirecTV should be abandoning 72.5° anyways. DISH is more interested in staying a near 100% DBS provider.)
alebowgm
03-19-08, 03:45 PM
That too! :lol:

(Not to say that DISH is kicking DirecTV off of the slot ... DirecTV should be abandoning 72.5° anyways. DISH is more interested in staying a near 100% DBS provider.)

Although it is worth saying that in theory, Nimiq could rent 16TPs to DirecTV and 16 TPs to Dish, leaving NONE for Expressvu... but I do not see that happening, instead with Expressvu expected to get 16 TPs from Ciel2 and Dish getting the other 16, Expressvu will probably just mirror programming between the two orbital locations, similar to how Dish has done for 61.5 and 129 (and wouldn't it be ironic if Dish moved 61.5 programming over to 72.5 and both satellites were complete mirrors of each other))...
Earl Bonovich
03-19-08, 03:49 PM
Which in other words means DirecTV is going to have to shift its local programming off of 72.5.

Yes, and that is already in the planning/implementation phases.

All markets that currently receive their locals with 72.5...
Get an install with the newer 5LNB as well as teh 72.5 dish... so that in the future, when the switch/move is made, they will not need a service call to have any new equipment installed.
Mikey
03-19-08, 04:08 PM
Does anyone know if E6 has started moving toward 77w yet? Couldn't Dish get permission to move it into the 61.5 slot temporarily, just as a stopgap until the AMC-14 situation is resolved?
harsh
03-19-08, 04:16 PM
The replacement satellite Ciel-2 is scheduled to be launched in second half of 2008 on a Proton Launch Vehicle, again the same one that failed on the AMC-14 mission.The Briz-M upper stage is what failed. It is handy to call the whole shebang a Proton launcher, but it is made up of four physical stages.

A proton failed catastrophically back in October, but they were flying in a relatively short time. That's one of the advantages in launching in that area of the world. The money it brings outweighs the environmental impact almost every time.
harsh
03-19-08, 04:20 PM
Get an install with the newer 5LNB as well as teh 72.5 dish... so that in the future, when the switch/move is made, they will not need a service call to have any new equipment installed.Doesn't one need at least one MPEG4 capable receiver to peak the behemoth dish?
James Long
03-19-08, 04:53 PM
Does anyone know if E6 has started moving toward 77w yet? Couldn't Dish get permission to move it into the 61.5 slot temporarily, just as a stopgap until the AMC-14 situation is resolved?Echostar just filed for permission --- asking for an answer by May 15th. They can't move until they get permission (and in my opinion should not move until E-11 is in orbit ... E-6 is a spare for E-8 at the moment).