Moving Slimline from roof to Fascia....questions.

[VOLBEAT]

I'm going to be putting a new roof on my house,and am doing it myself, which will make it a project that will take a few weeks minimum, so my Slimline has to come off the roof, and go somewhere out of my way. I was originally going to move it temporarily, and simply put it back when the roof was done, but that now seems stupid,especially when it would require holes in my brand new roof. It's mounted over the eave, but still. My plan is to simply mount it to the fascia. I have 2x6 fascia now, so I was planning to take about a one foot piece of say, 2x8 or 2x10, and screwing that to my current fascia, as to give me enough room for the length of the mounting plate on the Slimline mast, and then my monopoles can mount right to the Fascia. The reason for the one foot piece on top of the current fascia is because with the 1x that is at the top of my fascia, there is not a lot of room for the mounting plate without maybe splitting the wood. This would make it super easy. This may sound like a stupid question, but does anyone have any reason(s) why this isn't a good idea. I can't think of anything wrong with it, but hey, maybe someone has encountered a problem with this, and can tell me. Oh, the one thing that might possibly be a little problem is the fact that this is Fascia is sloped.......at the gable end. It's not horizontal, so maybe that would be a problem with one of the monopoles????? Just a thought. The other cool part is I can mount this piece of wood, and mount my new Slimline mast, that I will buy ahead of time, and take the time to make it absolutely, perfectly, beyond the shadow of a doubt plumb! Then, I can have "D" come out, and we simply slip the dish off the old mast and on to the new plumb mast, and walk away. Plus, my new spot will put me within 15 feet or less of my grounding rod that I put in the ground years ago and never used, so now I can ground the cables also. Anyway, sorry for the long post, and appreciate any and all feedback. I know this isn't a complex thing, but just want to run it by you folks. Thanks!

[tcusta00]

Check out this thread - same basic idea and lots of answers given:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=122276

[VOLBEAT]

Check out this thread - same basic idea and lots of answers given:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=122276

Thanks......looks like it's o.k., but much better If I can catch the rafter tail, and in my situation, I can't. I'm on the gable end, so it's a slightly different situation. Guess I can always but a mast on Ebay or something, mount it with the monoples, and simply see how strong it is before putting the dish on it. If it seems like it's going to be a problem, I'll come up with something else. I'd rather nopt drill through a brand new roof, and the dish HAS to come off the roof at least during the project, but just simply moving it once would be ideal.

[HDTVsportsfan]

Is a pole mount an option for you?

[VOLBEAT]

Is a pole mount an option for you?

I suppose.......I'd really like to avoid that though. That could be a last resort. Obviously, it has to be done close to the house, so it can be stabilized by somehow securing it the house, especially if you have to go up 10 to 12 feet to get above the roofline. It's at the back of my house, so it would have to clear my house for LOS. I know nothing about pole mounts, so sorry if my comment sounded stupid:D

[HDTVsportsfan]

No problem. Pole mounts can be the most stable and easiest to get to. No ladders need. ;)

All you need is a post hole digger, 80lbs. of concrete and the pole.

[VOLBEAT]

I just went to my back yard with that thought in mind, but any place we could put a pole would be very undesirable.There is a lot of cement close to my house already, and not a whole lot of convenient places to pour cement and mount a pole. I will keep it in mind when contemplating this though. Here's a picture of my back yard
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/DSCF1472.jpg

you can kind of see what I mean, but then again, I know nothing about the different pole mounts that can be done. Ones I've seen at peoples houses haven't been very tall.

[Hansen]

Since you are redoing your roof, you might consider one of the special pre fab mounting plates for 5 LNB dishes and monopoles. I'd post a link but I'm using a blackberry right now. Do a search and you should find some posts about them on here. They are pretty slick and if you move you can unbolt the dish from it and what remains is barely noticeable. Also the way it's installed there are no holes through the shingles for potential leaks. The mounting points come out under the shingle tabs.

[VOLBEAT]

Since you are redoing your roof, you might consider one of the special pre fab mounting plates for 5 LNB dishes and monopoles. I'd post a link but I'm using a blackberry right now. Do a search and you should find some posts about them on here. They are pretty slick and if you move you can unbolt the dish from it and what remains is barely noticeable. Also the way it's installed there are no holes through the shingles for potential leaks. The mounting points come out under the shingle tabs.

Thank you too..........that's another good thought. I'll look into that also. The one disadvantage right off the bat on that is that I would have no tv for a bit, as it will take me a weekend to strip my roof, and If I'm lucky, I could get my paper down, and I'm assuming this mount would go over the paper, so I'd also have to remount the dish, and try to aim it myself, unless I could have that lined out with "D" ahead of time. Then it would be slightly in my way during the roof installation. It is definitely something I will consider, but just moving it off the roof to a new permanent spot before I ever start this roof project would be the most ideal.

Also, I know you people know what I'm talking about doing, but here are a couple pics just for the heck of it, just in case someone has done this exact same thing or has seen it done, and knows a good trick. It might work fine with my original plan, but doing something to make sure it is extremely stable would be the optimum, obviuosly. If I wasn't on the gable end, I'd simply use one of those 'J' mounts on a rafter tail, with monopoles to the fascia, and it would be perfect. Anyway, here's the dish now
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/DSCF1472.jpg

I just want to go down to the left, above that patio cover you see, off the roof and on to the fascia(hopefully). The only other thing that may offer any additional strength is these 2x4s that come out to the fascia
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/DSCF1474.jpg

I forget the correct name for them, but I know their purpose is mainly for something to nail the fascia to. Not nearly the strength of a rafter tail, that I know. But obviously mounting my new "plate" in that area of the fascia would be better. My other thought was maybe attaching a 4x4 onto the lower side of one of those 2x4s with screws going straight up through into the 2x,and then driving a few screws through the fascia into the end of the 4x on the back side, but maybe that wouldn't do what I'm thinking.
Here's a shot of the next corner, all the way to the left, where it turns and goes towards the front of my house.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/DSCF1476.jpg

I could use one of those 'J' mounts on the first rafter tail you see going towards the front, but that fascia has a gutter, and I'm almost positive that would screw me as far as the monopoles go, unless somehow I got slightly above the gutter, and could actually attach the monopoles to the backside of the inside of the gutter, going right through into the fascia, and then sealing all around the bolts, but that REALLY sounds like a longshot. Anyway, again, if you have a cool trick now that you've seen the pictures, I'm all ears. Thanks!

[randyk47]

My dish is fascia mounted, all my dishes have been fascia mounted without any problems. If I were you I'd build up under the soffit, probably using 2"x6". Build a box that backs up the existing fascia and ties back into the house. I'm thinking a 2' wide box as deep as it needs to be to reach the wall. Assuming 16" on center studding you should be able to catch two studs in the wall structure that way. On the fascia itself I'd recommend at least a 2"x10" sistered over the 2"x6". You've got the same kind of 1"x1" drip line so the existing fascia only gives you about 5" to mount to and that's too small for the 8" footing. Anyhow, screw the sistered 2"x10" through the fascia and into the supporting box I recommend. Bolt the mount through all of that and use the monopoles and your dish isn't going to be a problem. Prime and paint the new construction and it'll pretty well blend right in.

[ICM2000]

Since you are redoing your roof, you might consider one of the special pre fab mounting plates for 5 LNB dishes and monopoles. I'd post a link but I'm using a blackberry right now. Do a search and you should find some posts about them on here. They are pretty slick and if you move you can unbolt the dish from it and what remains is barely noticeable. Also the way it's installed there are no holes through the shingles for potential leaks. The mounting points come out under the shingle tabs.


Link http://www.rstcenterprises.com/our_products/retrodeck.phtml

[RobertE]

Use this:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=DTVUEM

Then you can mount it to the wall of the house just below where you have it now.

[raoul5788]

My dish is fascia mounted, all my dishes have been fascia mounted without any problems. If I were you I'd build up under the soffit, probably using 2"x6". Build a box that backs up the existing fascia and ties back into the house. I'm thinking a 2' wide box as deep as it needs to be to reach the wall. Assuming 16" on center studding you should be able to catch two studs in the wall structure that way. On the fascia itself I'd recommend at least a 2"x10" sistered over the 2"x6". You've got the same kind of 1"x1" drip line so the existing fascia only gives you about 5" to mount to and that's too small for the 8" footing. Anyhow, screw the sistered 2"x10" through the fascia and into the supporting box I recommend. Bolt the mount through all of that and use the monopoles and your dish isn't going to be a problem. Prime and paint the new construction and it'll pretty well blend right in.

That might work, Randy, but the box would have to be very well constructed. As you noted, the rake board (fascia) isn't nearly big enough for the footprint of the mounting plate. I think the link in the post RobertE provided is the best solution, unless a pole mount is feasible.

[randyk47]

Guess I'm into home solutions and I'd have no trouble building a support myself. The store bought solution is good too and I wasn't aware of the product when I came up with my latest install solution. Of course, it also only cost me $10.

[VOLBEAT]

Link http://www.rstcenterprises.com/our_products/retrodeck.phtml

That looks like a cool idea, but it looks a little easier with 3 tab shingles, and I'm using dimensional, and I'd still have to put the monopoles into the roof. Also, I'd still have to move the dish temporarily until the roof is done,and then put it back with this. I want to move it once. But thanks for the link!
If I go with store bought, I will go with the one RobertE posted, or just use my original idea with the backing Randy mentioned to strengthen it. Sounds like that would make the fascia almost part of the framing. Personally I think bolted straight to the fascia on top of a 2x10 base sistered on to the existing fascia, with 2 monopoles to the fascia would be strong enough. I'm in northen calif, and we rarely(if ever) get gale force winds. But, the idea of reinforcing it goes with my personality..........overkill lol! I'm very anal about this kind of thing,so it has to be solid.

[Ruffread]

I've had mine up for over a year. I put a wooden backing between the fascia and stucco wall to insure there would be no bending in that would change the vertical mount.

[VOLBEAT]

Oh, one more thing........what kind of "angle" is the signal coming from? In other words, when I first bought a satellite system in '97, I really thought the face of the dish pointed in the direction of the signal, because I simply didn't know. I know it comes from a sharper angle, if you will, and bounces off the dish to the lnb..........something like that, but about how sharp of an angle? Reason I ask is that the 'J' mount on the rafter tail going towards the front of my house is still a possibility, but there are trees oh, about 75 feet away in the front of my house that are about 20 feet high, and I'm pretty sure there are no LOS issues with that, but I could be totally wrong. The dish would face them, but I know the signal comes from higher, so any feedback on that appreciated also. Thanks!

[raoul5788]

I've had mine up for over a year. I put a wooden backing between the fascia and stucco wall to insure there would be no bending in that would change the vertical mount.

You are VERY brave to have a dish installed like that.

[VOLBEAT]

You are VERY brave to have a dish installed like that.

I was thinking "I'd want more than that piece of wood" myself, but hey, if it works, it's all good. My personality wouldn't allow that myself, but my wife says I'm a freak lol! I'm leaning towards Randys "box" behind the eave idea,and the 'J' mount as a second choice.

[raoul5788]

I was thinking "I'd want more than that piece of wood" myself, but hey, if it works, it's all good. My personality wouldn't allow that myself, but my wife says I'm a freak lol! I'm leaning towards Randys "box" behind the eave idea,and the 'J' mount as a second choice.

Either would work well I am sure. I would go for a pole mount. That's what I did anyway.

[VOLBEAT]

Either would work well I am sure. I would go for a pole mount. That's what I did anyway.

But, correct me If I'm wrong, that's best when the pole isn't very high, correct? Anytime I've ever seen it that way, the dish isn't too far off the ground.

[VOLBEAT]

Use this:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=DTVUEM

Then you can mount it to the wall of the house just below where you have it now.

Ya know, now that is looking like a good way to go also. At first, I thought it was kind of obtrusive,to have that big arm and monopoles coming off my house under my eave, right in full view, but If I go over my patio cover like I would with the "box" system Randy mentioned, it would be out of sight, pretty much. One question I have about that is: would attaching the monopoles to my fascia, as opposed to under the eaves like they show in the ad, be secure enough, or would I be back to being concerned about any "flex" in the fascia?
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/DSCF1472.jpg

Or, would I be better off doing the 'J' mount right here
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/DSCF1476.jpg
on the first rafter tail, and it would look like this
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/51e3_3.jpg
when I was done, because I have a gutter just like the one shown in that picture, and could mount the monopoles to the top of the fascia through the backside of the gutter, just like they did. I know I know, now I'm overthinking this. Both of these look strong, and Randy's idea would work well too, this is just real simple.

[randyk47]

I don't think you're going to get much flex out of a 2" x 6". Obviously you can, and should, grab a hold of the section you're mounting to and literally jerk/shake it. If it moves easily or wiggles then you've probably got a problem. You could always beef up the attachment points by sistering a 2" x 4" across the backside of the fascia.

[VOLBEAT]

Very true.

[RobertE]

Ya know, now that is looking like a good way to go also. At first, I thought it was kind of obtrusive,to have that big arm and monopoles coming off my house under my eave, right in full view, but If I go over my patio cover like I would with the "box" system Randy mentioned, it would be out of sight, pretty much. One question I have about that is: would attaching the monopoles to my fascia, as opposed to under the eaves like they show in the ad, be secure enough, or would I be back to being concerned about any "flex" in the fascia?
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/DSCF1472.jpg

Or, would I be better off doing the 'J' mount right here

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/DSCF1476.jpg
on the first rafter tail, and it would look like this
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/51e3_3.jpg
when I was done, because I have a gutter just like the one shown in that picture, and could mount the monopoles to the top of the fascia through the backside of the gutter, just like they did. I know I know, now I'm overthinking this. Both of these look strong, and Randy's idea would work well too, this is just real simple.

If you go with the DTVUEM the dish could stay pretty much in the same place as it is now. No additional/rewiring should be needed. Only difference would be the main mast would be on the sideway vs the roof. I don't see a problem with the monopoles attaching to the 2x6. Especially if you hit a stud with the main mast foot.

If you want to move it and go with this location

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/DSCF1476.jpg

Then I would suggest using this mount instead:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=KAUEM1

This bolts directly to the rafter, you shouldn't need monopoles with it, but you could always add them latter if needed/wanted.

[tcusta00]

Just out of curiosity - Why not just remount it on the roof? If you're the one doing it you know it will be done properly (i.e., no leaks) so why go to all the trouble and expense of buying one of these fancy mounting kits? Sure, there's a chance the roof could leak, but if done properly, the chances are slim.

[HDTVsportsfan]

He may be without TV for a couple of weeks. He is doing the roof replacment himself. IIRC he's looking for either a temp solution until the roof is done or a permanent solution that does not require holes in his new roof.

[VOLBEAT]

He may be without TV for a couple of weeks. He is doing the roof replacment himself. IIRC he's looking for either a temp solution until the roof is done or a permanent solution that does not require holes in his new roof.

Exactly! My original plan was to move it to my patio cover during the project, and then put it back, but since I don't have a meter, I would be best off having "D" come out (I think anyway)and aim it, which means I would pay them twice. So, since it can easily be moved ahead of time to a new permanent spot, it's the best way to go. Also, I can get whichever mount I get and mount it absolutely, perfectly plumb, and take my time doing it, and then when "D" comes out they will just drop it on the new(pre plumbed) mast, and aim it, and be done.

[tcusta00]

Ah, I get it now. Sorry, bit thick today.

[VOLBEAT]

No problem........I am making a big deal out of it too haha. Actually,I just didn't realize there were these couple different brackets that people have posted links too, that will make it very simple, so it does give me a little more to think about.

[RobertE]

In addition to the two other mounts I linked, you could always just leave it on top of your patio cover. It would probably be the least noticeable up there.

[VOLBEAT]

In addition to the two other mounts I linked, you could always just leave it on top of your patio cover. It would probably be the least noticeable up there.

Well, you can't tell by looking, but that thing isn't extremely solid. Not that it will fall down, but it doesn't take a lot for it to move, so I'd be skeptical. Plus, we plan to modify it pretty soon. It was there when we bought the house.

[VOLBEAT]

If you go with the DTVUEM the dish could stay pretty much in the same place as it is now. No additional/rewiring should be needed. Only difference would be the main mast would be on the sideway vs the roof. I don't see a problem with the monopoles attaching to the 2x6. Especially if you hit a stud with the main mast foot.

I agree.......only reason I'd move it down and to the left a little is to hide that arm above my patio cover, and it wouldn't require additional cable, just a new hole, and patch the old one. That bracket isn't the worst thing I've seen, but it's definitely not attractive, so If I can hide it, why not.

If you want to move it and go with this location

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/DSCF1476.jpg

Then I would suggest using this mount instead:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=KAUEM1

This bolts directly to the rafter, you shouldn't need monopoles with it, but you could always add them latter if needed/wanted.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that is my second choice. That bracket looks like it would be stout without the monopoles, but could easily be added inside the gutter, on the backside, like in this picture
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...c06/51e3_3.jpg

It would just put the dish in a lower spot, and some trees out in front of the house about 60 feet away or so, may be an issue. They are maybe 20 feet high, or a little more, so I don't know. I know the dish doesn't "face" the incoming signal, it bounces off..........I think you know what I mean, so I'm not sure what "angle" that signal comes from, hence those trees could very easily NOT be a problem. Hope that made sense.

[RobertE]

I agree.......only reason I'd move it down and to the left a little is to hide that arm above my patio cover, and it would require additional cable, just a new hole, and patch the old one. That bracket isn't the worst thing I've seen, but it's definitely not attractive, so If I can hide it, why not.

If you want to move it and go with this location

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/DSCF1476.jpg

Then I would suggest using this mount instead:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=KAUEM1

This bolts directly to the rafter, you shouldn't need monopoles with it, but you could always add them latter if needed/wanted.

Yes, that is my second choice. That bracket looks like it would be stout without the monopoles, but could easily be added inside the gutter, on the backside, like in this picture
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...c06/51e3_3.jpg

It would just put the dish in a lower spot, and some trees out in front of the house about 60 feet away or so, amy be an issue. They are maybe 20 feet high, or a little more, so I don't know. I know the dish doesn't "face" the incoming signal, it bounces off..........I think you know what I mean, so I'm not sure what "angle" that signal comes from, hence those trees could very easily NOT be a problem. Hope that made sense.[/QUOTE]


Time for a little trig. :grin:

Your lowest sat is going to be the 99 at roughly 38 deg. Highest is the 119 at roughly 44 deg.

So....

Assuming the trees in question are 60 feet away, the trees can be no taller than 45 feet if the dish was placed on the ground. So, if the dish was 10 feet up, the trees could be no taller than 55 feet. I'd say your good with a very large margin of error.

[VOLBEAT]

Yes, that is my second choice. That bracket looks like it would be stout without the monopoles, but could easily be added inside the gutter, on the backside, like in this picture
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/51e3_3.jpg

It would just put the dish in a lower spot, and some trees out in front of the house about 60 feet away or so, amy be an issue. They are maybe 20 feet high, or a little more, so I don't know. I know the dish doesn't "face" the incoming signal, it bounces off..........I think you know what I mean, so I'm not sure what "angle" that signal comes from, hence those trees could very easily NOT be a problem. Hope that made sense.


Time for a little trig. :grin:

Your lowest sat is going to be the 99 at roughly 38 deg. Highest is the 119 at roughly 44 deg.

So....

Assuming the trees in question are 60 feet away, the trees can be no taller than 45 feet if the dish was placed on the ground. So, if the dish was 10 feet up, the trees could be no taller than 55 feet. I'd say your good with a very large margin of error.[/QUOTE]

Thanks! So, since I hated math, and it was my worst subject, based on what you're telling me, this tree that I forgot about that is exactly 52 feet away (and 20 feet tall), from where I might place the dish(10 feet off the ground), wouldn't be a problem either, correct?
Oh yeah, those other trees are 82 feet away and MAYBE 25 feet tall, so sounds like I have no problem with those.