when are they going light up that satellite?

[bjlc]

Hey that bird has been up there for a while, when are they gonna light the stupid thing up?

and when are they going to start moving stuff over from the 72.5 satellite?

[tcusta00]

Rumors abound and include anything from May to November. It's not stupid, either. :p

[skyviewmark1]

patience grasshopper.. :)

[Carl Spock]

bjlc, this thread (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=123236) will keep you up to date on the progress of DirecTV11. It isn't even in its proper orbit yet, but it's getting close.

Post #2 is a good clearing house of the satellite's current status.

[LameLefty]

In words long-used around here: SOON!

:lol:

[beavis]

It'll be a long time before anything's moved from 72.5.

[dwrats_56]

It'll be a long time before anything's moved from 72.5.

Why do you say that?

My understanding is that everything on 72.5 will be moved. My local provider told me this year.

I will love to get rid of the second dish.

[litzdog911]

It'll be a long time before anything's moved from 72.5.

Actually I think a few cities have already had their SD locals moved off of 72.5-deg W. The rest are supposed to be completed by end of this year.

[beavis]

I know some SD markets were added to 103, but those were new markets not ones that have moved. The end of '08 = a long time by most people's standards here. It's like people who think that all MPEG2 HD is going to be migrated off of 110 and 119 by year's end. Maybe a chance that it will be mirrored, as in it'll be on 103 for people who have MPEG4 equipment but it'll still be on 110 and 119 for those who don't. I would doubt that 110 and 119 would be clear of any HD before Q2 '09. Who knows what the plan is? Maybe D* will move all HD from 110 and 119 to 103/99 then move the SD locals from 72.5 to 110/119. Maybe not. It's just wishful thinking that the SD locals will be moved from 72.5 anytime real soon. Guess we'll have to wait til D11 is in the all clear to see.

[inkahauts]

I know some SD markets were added to 103, but those were new markets not ones that have moved. The end of '08 = a long time by most people's standards here. It's like people who think that all MPEG2 HD is going to be migrated off of 110 and 119 by year's end. Maybe a chance that it will be mirrored, as in it'll be on 103 for people who have MPEG4 equipment but it'll still be on 110 and 119 for those who don't. I would doubt that 110 and 119 would be clear of any HD before Q2 '09. Who knows what the plan is? Maybe D* will move all HD from 110 and 119 to 103/99 then move the SD locals from 72.5 to 110/119. Maybe not. It's just wishful thinking that the SD locals will be moved from 72.5 anytime real soon. Guess we'll have to wait til D11 is in the all clear to see.

It will not happen right away. Also, I suspect when they move those channels off of 72.5 they they will become MPEG-4.... setting them up to change to broadcasting the channels in HD next year without having to upgrade those people again.

Every sign says that MPEG-2 HD will be gone as early as September 1st, as late as the end of the year. They have been very aggressive in upgrading customers, and that is not going to slow down. I doubt there is a firm date, but I would guess that they have a target date of Spetmeber, and if they just haven't gotten to enough people or are heavily backlogged, they will probably wait longer...

However the move off of 72.5 will probably not come until after that, and they have a lot of time... I believe the lease of those transponders was extended another 2 years or so...

[Jimbo2]

It will not happen right away. Also, I suspect when they move those channels off of 72.5 they they will become MPEG-4.... setting them up to change to broadcasting the channels in HD next year without having to upgrade those people again.

Every sign says that MPEG-2 HD will be gone as early as September 1st, as late as the end of the year. They have been very aggressive in upgrading customers, and that is not going to slow down. I doubt there is a firm date, but I would guess that they have a target date of Spetmeber, and if they just haven't gotten to enough people or are heavily backlogged, they will probably wait longer...

However the move off of 72.5 will probably not come until after that, and they have a lot of time... I believe the lease of those transponders was extended another 2 years or so...

I think the move to MPEG4 and end the Mpeg2 use will take longer than some think, the end of the year would be VERY quick in my opinion.

I have friends that have mpeg2 SD receivers and SD TV's and no desire to go to HD equipment due to not having HD TV's yet and no need for them at this point .

NO one has approched them about changing to HD/ MPEG4 equipment yet.
WhenI hear from them asking me about the new equipment, then I'll know that D* is starting to end the mpeg2 format.
Currently D* has been fortunate that as many people have already jumped to HD TV's and equipment.
HD is still only being used by a small portion of the US, maybe 20 %
That means that 80% are still using alot of mpeg 2 equipment, or what 13 million subs (guesstimate).
Thats alot of rec's to swap out by an unknown date (end of year some have said)

Jimbo

[bobnielsen]

I think the move to MPEG4 and end the Mpeg2 use will take longer than some think, the end of the year would be VERY quick in my opinion.

I have friends that have mpeg2 SD receivers and SD TV's and no desire to go to HD equipment due to not having HD TV's yet and no need for them at this point .

NO one has approched them about changing to HD/ MPEG4 equipment yet.
WhenI hear from them asking me about the new equipment, then I'll know that D* is starting to end the mpeg2 format.
Currently D* has been fortunate that as many people have already jumped to HD TV's and equipment.
HD is still only being used by a small portion of the US, maybe 20 %
That means that 80% are still using alot of mpeg 2 equipment, or what 13 million subs (guesstimate).
Thats alot of rec's to swap out by an unknown date (end of year some have said)

Jimbo

It's the HD MPEG2 which will be going away soon, not SD. Any SD transition to MPEG4 will be a long time coming (I expect it will happen in several years). New SD local markets and SD transitioning from 72.5 (possibly 95) is supposed to be MPEG4, but that is a small fraction of the total.

[Jimbo2]

It's the HD MPEG2 which will be going away soon, not SD. Any SD transition to MPEG4 will be a long time coming (I expect it will happen in several years). New SD local markets and SD transitioning from 72.5 (possibly 95) is supposed to be MPEG4, but that is a small fraction of the total.

In order for that to happen all SD would have to be moved to MPEG4, I hadn't considered the possibility of that happening as I was figuring that only HD would be in MPEG4, but I suppose they could run SD in MPEG4 as well.

I haven't heard anyone mention that possibility before ...

Jimbo

[curt8403]

It'll be a long time before anything's moved from 72.5.

As Elvis Presley said "Don't be cruel" and I am sorry to have to be.
about 1/2 of the markets that were on the 72.5 have been moved, and I fully expect the rest to be moved by the end of 2008.

[SDizzle]

In order for that to happen all SD would have to be moved to MPEG4, I hadn't considered the possibility of that happening as I was figuring that only HD would be in MPEG4, but I suppose they could run SD in MPEG4 as well.

I haven't heard anyone mention that possibility before ...

Jimbo

The new SD locals that D* has launched recently have been MPEG4.

[Jimbo2]

As Elvis Presley said "Don't be cruel" and I am sorry to have to be.
about 1/2 of the markets that were on the 72.5 have been moved, and I fully expect the rest to be moved by the end of 2008.

This will be great news for those with a seperarte dish for the locals :)

The new SD locals that D* has launched recently have been MPEG4.

I did not know that D* had recently launched any SD channels, I must have missed them, I'm mainly into the HD channels now..

Jimbo

[SDizzle]

This will be great news for those with a seperarte dish for the locals :)



I did not know that D* had recently launched any SD channels, I must have missed them, I'm mainly into the HD channels now..

Jimbo

I too am only into new HD, but some people in the far out places have actually been going without SD locals......into the year 2008:eek2: It seems hard to believe to me too. I only know they have launched SD this year because it is on the main page here when they launch them.

[inkahauts]

As Elvis Presley said "Don't be cruel" and I am sorry to have to be.
about 1/2 of the markets that were on the 72.5 have been moved, and I fully expect the rest to be moved by the end of 2008.

Really? I didn't know that. Where did they put them, and when did they do it?

[inkahauts]

I think the move to MPEG4 and end the Mpeg2 use will take longer than some think, the end of the year would be VERY quick in my opinion.

I have friends that have mpeg2 SD receivers and SD TV's and no desire to go to HD equipment due to not having HD TV's yet and no need for them at this point .

NO one has approched them about changing to HD/ MPEG4 equipment yet.
WhenI hear from them asking me about the new equipment, then I'll know that D* is starting to end the mpeg2 format.
Currently D* has been fortunate that as many people have already jumped to HD TV's and equipment.
HD is still only being used by a small portion of the US, maybe 20 %
That means that 80% are still using alot of mpeg 2 equipment, or what 13 million subs (guesstimate).
Thats alot of rec's to swap out by an unknown date (end of year some have said)

Jimbo

Like someone else said, I don't expect all sd channels going to MPEG-4 for many years, probably more than 5. However, HD MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 is a whole other story, as someone else also said. Yes they have launched several new LIL markets lately, and they were in SD and MPEG-4. I think the thing most people aren't catching is that next year, they will no longer be SD locals. They will be HD locals (if the channel is an hd station). No equipment change at customers houses. They will simply flip a switch. All the equipment to get the LIL sd channels in those markets is identical to the equipment that the subs will need to receive the HD LIL channels, and it won't matter if they have a HD or SD tv. The receivers will output both formats... so its a one time upgrade. That is why I say when they move people off of 72.5 they will make them use MPEG-4 equipment. It will allow them to do the same thing there to. As soon as they have an entire market on MPEG-4, they can flip the switch whenever they want and broadcast one stream, HD, and it will give everyone in that market HD or sd depending on what they need.

They also just switched all LA DNS feeds from MPEG-2 HD to MPEG-4 HD, and I have yet to see a post on this forum where someone has come in and asked why they lost their locals. They actively went out and upgraded customers over a 3 month period and did everyone. No reason they can't do that with other markets too. I see them going after all NY DNS feed people next, then anyone else thats left with any MPEG-2 HD equipment, which won't be too many people... Then I think they will start in on a market by market basis. They've already been upgrading all sports packs, and by the time next years NBA season starts, they will be completely done with that. I think Directv is going to be very aggressive while they can. Investors are happy right now, so now is when they should be doing it...

[curt8403]

Like someone else said, I don't expect all sd channels going to MPEG-4 for many years, probably more than 5. However, HD MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 is a whole other story, as someone else also said. Yes they have launched several new LIL markets lately, and they were in SD and MPEG-4. I think the thing most people aren't catching is that next year, they will no longer be SD locals. They will be HD locals (if the channel is an hd station). No equipment change at customers houses. They will simply flip a switch. All the equipment to get the LIL sd channels in those markets is identical to the equipment that the subs will need to receive the HD LIL channels, and it won't matter if they have a HD or SD tv. The receivers will output both formats... so its a one time upgrade. That is why I say when they move people off of 72.5 they will make them use MPEG-4 equipment. It will allow them to do the same thing there to. As soon as they have an entire market on MPEG-4, they can flip the switch whenever they want and broadcast one stream, HD, and it will give everyone in that market HD or sd depending on what they need.

They also just switched all LA DNS feeds from MPEG-2 HD to MPEG-4 HD, and I have yet to see a post on this forum where someone has come in and asked why they lost their locals. They actively went out and upgraded customers over a 3 month period and did everyone. No reason they can't do that with other markets too. I see them going after all NY DNS feed people next, then anyone else thats left with any MPEG-2 HD equipment, which won't be too many people... Then I think they will start in on a market by market basis. They've already been upgrading all sports packs, and by the time next years NBA season starts, they will be completely done with that. I think Directv is going to be very aggressive while they can. Investors are happy right now, so now is when they should be doing it...

oh, I am sorry, that is not correct, there will still be SD locals, they will just be digital all the way instead of Analog to digital. There are way way way too many tvs out there that will be digital capable, but not HD capable. SD is not going away, even for locals.

[inkahauts]

oh, I am sorry, that is not correct, there will still be SD locals, they will just be digital all the way instead of Analog to digital. There are way way way too many tvs out there that will be digital capable, but not HD capable. SD is not going away, even for locals.

Actually, all the MPEG-4 equipment on the market outputs HD and sd at the same time. So in those markets where everyone has MPEG-4 equipment, there will be no need to broadcast HD and SD feeds. It would be a waste of bandwidth. And after the FCCs rules that were established recently, it paves the way for Directv and dish to do this in any market where all customers have the proper equipment. This will work in any market that is currently receiving all their sd LIL in MPEG-4.... And frankly, its also necessary in order for them to meet the new FCC requirements as well.

[curt8403]

Actually, all the MPEG-4 equipment on the market outputs HD and sd at the same time. So in those markets where everyone has MPEG-4 equipment, there will be no need to broadcast HD and SD feeds. It would be a waste of bandwidth. And after the FCCs rules that were established recently, it paves the way for Directv and dish to do this in any market where all customers have the proper equipment. This will work in any market that is currently receiving all their sd LIL in MPEG-4.... And frankly, its also necessary in order for them to meet the new FCC requirements as well.

not all locals are HD, in my market there are 4 hd channels, but 13 SD channels. we would still have 7 channels that would not be HD after the change over. IT will be interesting

[inkahauts]

not all locals are HD, in my market there are 4 hd channels, but 13 SD channels. we would still have 7 channels that would not be HD after the change over. IT will be interesting
Hence all the flexibility that all MPEG-4 (hd and sd) allows Directv. The new law says that if you offer one HD channel in a market you must offer all channels that broadcast anything in HD in HD in that market. This would allow them to flip channels with ease as they went full HD rather than just digital..

[curt8403]

Hence all the flexibility that all MPEG-4 (hd and sd) allows Directv. The new law says that if you offer one HD channel in a market you must offer all channels that broadcast anything in HD in HD in that market. This would allow them to flip channels with ease as they went full HD rather than just digital..


Under the mandatory carriage provisions, cable operators, subject to certain capacity based limitations, are generally required to carry local television stations on their cable systems. The Act states that systems with more than 12 usable activated channels must carry local commercial television stations, "up to one-third of the aggregate number of usable activated channels of such system[s]."22 Beyond this requirement,
the carriage of additional broadcast television stations is at the discretion of the cable operator. In addition,
cable systems are obliged to carry local noncommercial educational television stations according to a different
formula and based upon a cable system's number of usable activated channels.23 Low power television stations
may request carriage if they meet six statutory criteria.24 A cable operator, however, cannot carry a low power
station in lieu of a full power station.25

[cartrivision]

Actually, all the MPEG-4 equipment on the market outputs HD and sd at the same time. So in those markets where everyone has MPEG-4 equipment, there will be no need to broadcast HD and SD feeds. It would be a waste of bandwidth. And after the FCCs rules that were established recently, it paves the way for Directv and dish to do this in any market where all customers have the proper equipment. This will work in any market that is currently receiving all their sd LIL in MPEG-4.... And frankly, its also necessary in order for them to meet the new FCC requirements as well.

That might be true, but that doesn't mean that there will be no SD locals after next year as you said in your prior post. There will be lots of SD locals on 101W after next year even though many of them will originate from a local HD broadcast that has been downconverted to SD before it is uplinked to the 101W satellite as an MPEG2 SD video signal.

[inkahauts]

Under the mandatory carriage provisions, cable operators, subject to certain capacity based limitations, are generally required to carry local television stations on their cable systems. The Act states that systems with more than 12 usable activated channels must carry local commercial television stations, "up to one-third of the aggregate number of usable activated channels of such system[s]."22 Beyond this requirement,
the carriage of additional broadcast television stations is at the discretion of the cable operator. In addition,
cable systems are obliged to carry local noncommercial educational television stations according to a different
formula and based upon a cable system's number of usable activated channels.23 Low power television stations
may request carriage if they meet six statutory criteria.24 A cable operator, however, cannot carry a low power
station in lieu of a full power station.25


Yep... The fcc is being far harder on the cable companies than they are on sat.... Sats requirements for HD carriage and time frames are different than cables. Also, nothing in that statement has anything to do with HD and SD carriage. Low power and High power is totally different.

[inkahauts]

That might be true, but that doesn't mean that there will be no SD locals after next year as you said in your prior post. There will be lots of SD locals on 101W after next year even though many of them will originate from a local HD broadcast that has been downconverted to SD before it is uplinked to the 101W satellite as an MPEG2 SD video signal.

Oh, I completely agree, and I didn't mean to insinuate that there would be no sd lil anytime soon. I'm saying that in markets where all lils are being beamed down in MPEG-4, they will only have one channel for each station. If all the station is broadcasting is an sd signal, then that is what the market will get. However, if the station has an HD signal, thats what they will send. There will be a lot of SD lil in many cities for years to come. However, its obvious that no other LIL will ever be launched in MPEG-2. And in any market where they have to upgrade customers like they are doing for everyone on 72.5 LIL, it makes since to move them to MPEG-4 equipment at the same time. I Have a feeling that Directv will slowly over time after they are done converting all MPEG-2 HD equipment people to MPEG-4 HD equipment they will just pick off one market at a time to upgrade, and I'm betting that will take many years...

[aramus8]

I don't know that its going to take years. A couple of people at work who are in the Salt Lake market and only have SD services have recently told me they received notices they will need to upgrade their receivers before the end of the year.

[inkahauts]

Do they subscribe to any sports like MLB EI or NFLST?

[carl6]

Oh, I completely agree, and I didn't mean to insinuate that there would be no sd lil anytime soon. I'm saying that in markets where all lils are being beamed down in MPEG-4, they will only have one channel for each station. ...

I do not believe that is a true statement. I am not aware of any plans on DirecTV's part to do that at this time.

Carl

[psychobabbler]

I too am only into new HD, but some people in the far out places have actually been going without SD locals......into the year 2008:eek2: It seems hard to believe to me too. I only know they have launched SD this year because it is on the main page here when they launch them.

I still don't have SD locals through Directv (though I pick them up via antenna). And no end in sight .:(

[SDizzle]

I still don't have SD locals through Directv (though I pick them up via antenna). And no end in sight .:(

Wow! At least you can get them via OTA, I have seen some posts from people that do not get them from D*, and can't get them OTA.

[Matt9876]

My "in" guy at DirecTV said about 30 more days on D11.:)

Testing is in progress and all looks normal so far.

His prediction on Knoxville TN. HD locals was only off by 8 days.

[woodybeetle]

Under the mandatory carriage provisions, cable operators, subject to certain capacity based limitations, are generally required to carry local television stations on their cable systems. The Act states that systems with more than 12 usable activated channels must carry local commercial television stations, "up to one-third of the aggregate number of usable activated channels of such system[s]."22 Beyond this requirement,
the carriage of additional broadcast television stations is at the discretion of the cable operator. In addition,
cable systems are obliged to carry local noncommercial educational television stations according to a different
formula and based upon a cable system's number of usable activated channels.23 Low power television stations
may request carriage if they meet six statutory criteria.24 A cable operator, however, cannot carry a low power
station in lieu of a full power station.25


I am sorry, DBS is not Cable, never has , never will be, the FCC has ruled on several items and had to delineate the difference of DBS versus Cable. If it is delivered from the headend over a fiber or coax carrier then it is considered cable, over microwave then it is DBS and not subject to the same rules overall.

[inkahauts]

I do not believe that is a true statement. I am not aware of any plans on DirecTV's part to do that at this time.

Carl

Directv never says anything until after they do it when it comes to things like this.

Why wouldn't they do it this way? Name one downside? I see lots of upsides, but not one downside...

And I would not have expected them to post anything about it until recently, if they announce it at all until it happens. It wasn't until a couple weeks ago when the FCC handed down their latest HD must carry rules for DBS that they were going to be able to legally execute this anyway without worry about future laws coming up and biting them in the bandwidth caboose....

Think of the fact that everyone is trying to guess where D12 is going? Everyone knows its coming (just like everyone knows HD LIL is coming at some point) but no one knows when or frankly how they plan on stacking D12, (just as no one knows how they are going to get all HD lil up and running...)

And think of this... How much would Directv love to be able to suddenly add multiple markets in HD with the flip of a switch, without warning cable about it.. I can see the ad campaign that hits on Feb 19th next year already... Just like they did when they launched the big HD ad campaign in the fall after lighting up FBHD and other channels giving them suddenly over 70 HD channels....

[curt8403]

And think of this... How much would Directv love to be able to suddenly add multiple markets in HD with the flip of a switch, without warning cable about it.. I can see the ad campaign that hits on Feb 19th next year already... Just like they did when they launched the big HD ad campaign in the fall after lighting up FBHD and other channels giving them suddenly over 70 HD channels....[/quote]

I can see the ad as well, I think it would be something like this...
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageNR.jsp?assetId=P4550066

[koolbrz2]

My "in" guy at DirecTV said about 30 more days on D11.:)

Testing is in progress and all looks normal so far.

His prediction on Knoxville TN. HD locals was only off by 8 days.
could you ask him about Norfolk, Virginia HD locals ??
THANX

[Sirshagg]

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6065/soonvg7.png

[curt8403]

could you ask him about Norfolk, Virginia HD locals ??
THANX

please post the zipcode for norfolk

[koolbrz2]

please post the zipcode for norfolk
23501 THRU 23530

[curt8403]

23501 THRU 23530

best I can guess for HD locals is post july

[betterdan]

I'm over in Portsmouth Virginia so I'm anxious for the local HD channels to start being broadcast by Directv too. Hopefully it will be close to July.

[Matt9876]

HD locals roll out will resume shortly after D11 becomes active.

I will ask but can't promise anything.

Matt

[koolbrz2]

HD locals roll out will resume shortly after D11 becomes active.

I will ask but can't promise anything.

Matt
THANX FROM VIRGINIANS

[curt8403]

THANX FROM VIRGINIANS

? if Thomas Jefferson was alive today, would he want HD locals?

[curt8403]

it seems like years ago the russians launched a gigantic mirror into space, could something like that be used to light up d11?

[gfrang]

This just in President Kim Il-sung has missiles pointed at DIRECTV sats.
I rember him in the movie Team America World Police. I watched that movie 7 times
this guy is no one to mess with.

[curt8403]

This just in President Kim Il-sung has missiles pointed at DIRECTV sats.
I rember him in the movie Team America World Police. I watched that movie 7 times
this guy is no one to mess with.

I vaguely remember his father singing a duet with Fidel Castro "Endless Love"

[Greg Bimson]

As Elvis Presley said "Don't be cruel" and I am sorry to have to be.
about 1/2 of the markets that were on the 72.5 have been moved, and I fully expect the rest to be moved by the end of 2008.Whatever happened to a quality education?

Of the 29 markets at 72.5, NONE have been put in MPEG4 SD on the Ka-band, and three are on Ka-band in HD.

Is 3 of 29 the new definition of half?

[GregLee]

Whatever happened to a quality education?

Of the 29 markets at 72.5, NONE have been put in MPEG4 SD on the Ka-band, and three are on Ka-band in HD.
Curt said half "have been moved". You make an observation about "the 29 markets at 72.5", which would not include any that were moved, and so has no obvious relevance to the post you comment on. Are you exhibiting the quality of your education?

[ajc68]

Hence all the flexibility that all MPEG-4 (hd and sd) allows Directv. The new law says that if you offer one HD channel in a market you must offer all channels that broadcast anything in HD in HD in that market. This would allow them to flip channels with ease as they went full HD rather than just digital..

Yes, but this law doesn't take full effect until 2013 now.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6543480.html?desc=topstory

Instead, the FCC decided to give DirecTV and EchoStar until 2013 to carry all stations in HD within any market where they have elected to carry any station's signal in HD format.

All the FCC demanded was that DirecTV and Dish comply with its benchmarks.

For example, by Feb. 17, 2010, DirecTV and Dish Network need to provide full HD carriage in 15% of their HD markets. Dish Network has 35 HD markets today. If a 15% quota were in place today, EchoStar would have a “carry one, carry all in HD” obligation in just 5 markets.

The benchmark jumps to 30% in the second year, 60% in the third and 100% in the fourth.

[Greg Bimson]

Curt said half "have been moved". You make an observation about "the 29 markets at 72.5", which would not include any that were moved, and so has no obvious relevance to the post you comment on. Are you exhibiting the quality of your education?Actually, what I said was, "Of the 29 markets at 72.5, NONE have been put in MPEG4 SD on the Ka-band, and three are on Ka-band in HD." None have moved. The same 29 markets that are on 72.5 were on there two years ago. None have moved. Three of the 29 markets have their HD big networks at 99 or 103 in MPEG4. None have moved.

None are currently in the transition of moving.

My post to Curt should have had a smiley face. I was trying to make a joke about the Don't Be Cruel reference.

[curt8403]

Actually, what I said was, "Of the 29 markets at 72.5, NONE have been put in MPEG4 SD on the Ka-band, and three are on Ka-band in HD." None have moved. The same 29 markets that are on 72.5 were on there two years ago. None have moved. Three of the 29 markets have their HD big networks at 99 or 103 in MPEG4. None have moved.

None are currently in the transition of moving.

My post to Curt should have had a smiley face. I was trying to make a joke about the Don't Be Cruel reference.

yes, Greg and I have settled the issue completely, Perhaps it would be better if I moved down at the end of lonely street, at heartbreak hotel.

[inkahauts]

Yes, but this law doesn't take full effect until 2013 now.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6543480.html?desc=topstory

Instead, the FCC decided to give DirecTV and EchoStar until 2013 to carry all stations in HD within any market where they have elected to carry any station's signal in HD format.

All the FCC demanded was that DirecTV and Dish comply with its benchmarks.

For example, by Feb. 17, 2010, DirecTV and Dish Network need to provide full HD carriage in 15% of their HD markets. Dish Network has 35 HD markets today. If a 15% quota were in place today, EchoStar would have a “carry one, carry all in HD” obligation in just 5 markets.

The benchmark jumps to 30% in the second year, 60% in the third and 100% in the fourth.

While correct, my point is very valid today. Look at it this way... Say they choose Palm Springs Ca (one of the MPEG-4 SD LIL DMAs) to be part of the 15% at the beginning. If one day a station there goes HD, they will be able to easily flip a switch and add the station, without having to still broadcast an SD counter part. This is huge. The other key to this law that you didn't quote is that no where does it say that they have to also offer an sd version at the same time, as long as customers can receive every channel. That is the huge part. They can broadcast each channel only once... where as Cable has to broadcast every channel twice (SD and digital station, even if not broadcasting in HD) or they must provide a down converter as well to every customer.

And cable has to be 100% compliant at once, no tiered time line for them (i.e., they can't open up a new market with just the big 4 in HD if there are 6 stations in HD like Directv can)... And they will not be able to just flip a switch and change from an sd feed to an HD feed for their customers. The FCC just didn't trust them to do this like they do Sat...

Of course like I said, this is only good in markets where Directv is running all their LILs in MPEG-4 SD.

[betterdan]

yes, Greg and I have settled the issue completely, Perhaps it would be better if I moved down at the end of lonely street, at heartbreak hotel.

:thats:

[Greg Bimson]

I'm just trying to prove that 72.5 is not some satellite in the ghetto.

[curt8403]

I'm just trying to prove that 72.5 is not some satellite in the ghetto.

no, it is in space, just like all the rest....

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/...980031_001.pdf
ah crud that link is broken now

[krock918316]

I'm just trying to prove that 72.5 is not some satellite in the ghetto.

The satellite may not be in the ghetto, but the second dish on the roof makes my house look a little closer to ghetto than I would like. :lol:

[FHSPSU67]

"In the Ghetto" is Elvis, too! Maybe he is still alive!