Ft Myers/Napels, FL and Tyler, TX Locals!!

[TNGTony]

Looks like Ft. Myers locals (ABC, NBC, WB, PBS and CTN) and Tyler, TX locals (NBC and Fox) will become available tomorrow morning. They are technically available now, but CSRs will most likely not be able to add the channels to subs accounts until 6am EST 3/6.

Looks like Dish has a retransmission consent issue with the CBS (Ft Myers Broadcasting) and Fox (Emmis) stations in Ft. Myers.

Same goes for the ABC affiliate in Tyler, TX. (Liberty Corp)

I wonder if Dish plans to charge $5 a month for this market. $2.50 a channel is very steep!

See ya
Tony

[kornkid81]

Does Tyler Tx. really only have 3 major stations?

[angiodan]

Tony, no UPN station (WEVU) for Fort Myers? I know they are a pretty low power station, maybe thats why Dish won't carry them.

No FOX or CBS either. That will bum out a few of my friends who have been waiting for their locals over sat.

[TNGTony]

angiodan,

WEVU is a licensed low power station and does not qualify for must carry (http://ekb.dbstalk.com/19#mc). I have the same problem here in Cincinnati.

:rant:
IT IS TOTALLY INCONCEIVABLE that Dish Network is the ONLYmultichannel carrier in the Cincinnati Area that does NOT carry WBQC-CA. Even though this station is not a Must Carry channel, it is a should carry station! This station has REAL programming much of the day. It has a rebroadcast of the Channel 9 news at 7pm. It has LOCAL content! LOCAL content. When was the last time a TV station had LOCAL (other than news) content???

DirecTV carries WBQC-CA Cincinnati. Warner Cable (which does NOT carry any other low power channels in the country) carries WBQC-CA Cincinnati. Cable systems in the DMA where channel 25 couldn't hope to get an OTA signal carry WBQC-CA Cincinnati.

ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
:rant:

See ya
Tony

[Marcus S]

And Welcome those about to loose a significant Distant Net.

[tampa8]

Originally posted by Marcus S
And Welcome those about to loose a significant Distant Net.

I have to agree. It sure seems Texas would be better served by Dish keeping Dallas available.

[gbranch]

kornkid81,

Yes, Tyler-Longview has only 3 full power stations. No CBS or PBS. UPN is low power (KTPN-48 Tyler and KLPN-58 Longview), and the WB network is available on cable only.

Lufkin and Nacogdoches are technically part of the Tyler-Longview DMA, and have 2 stations - ABC KTRE-9 and NBC KLSB-19. The stations are essentially satellites for KLTV-7 and KETK-56, respectively. Neither station is available OTA in Tyler or Longview.

KLSB-19 has a CP to move into Tyler-Longview, and the rumor is that it will become the new CBS affiliate. From Shreveport, CBS KSLA-12 and PBS KLTS-24 have a grade B signal into the eastern half of the DMA.

Later,

Greg S. Branch

 

[JWT]

Originally posted by gbranch
kornkid81,

Yes, Tyler-Longview has only 3 full power stations. No CBS or PBS. UPN is low power (KTPN-48 Tyler and KLPN-58 Longview), and the WB network is available on cable only.

Lufkin and Nacogdoches are technically part of the Tyler-Longview DMA, and have 2 stations - ABC KTRE-9 and NBC KLSB-19. The stations are essentially satellites for KLTV-7 and KETK-56, respectively. Neither station is available OTA in Tyler or Longview.

KLSB-19 has a CP to move into Tyler-Longview, and the rumor is that it will become the new CBS affiliate. From Shreveport, CBS KSLA-12 and PBS KLTS-24 have a grade B signal into the eastern half of the DMA.

Later,

Greg S. Branch

 

Greg,

As of last fall, KLPN-58 ceased terrestrial transmission and is strictly cable tv delivered-but 48 continues to broadcast in tyler. However, in it`s place channel 54 has recently gone from CP to underconstruction and is listed as the same transmitter that 22 before it became 58 came off of at Seven Pines & TX-300 in East Mtn. What that means in terms of stations I have no idea.

As far as 19 becoming a CBS affiliate, it does not look like it as the word given to me was that it was a typo on someone`s part, and what it really should be is when KSLB starts HDTV broadcasting it will reach into the the longview/tyler area from it`s new tower & KETK will have from just south of Longview & Tyler northward to ensure the area is covered. So both will continue to be NBC affiliates.

Here is my speculation though as to why 7 is not available, besides the fact that 51 & 56 are owned and operated by the same group.

Speculation mode on-- Liberty feels that 7 & 9 are separate stations which have differnent newscasts and limited comercial slots set aside to sell to each market area. Dish only wants to retrans 7 ( the mother station ) and not 9. If Liberty agrees to let Dish do just 7 what kind of backlash/cancellations might it face by the business in the Nac/Lufkin market that buy ads on ch 9?

Television of East Texas doesnt have this problem with 51 & 56 as 30 is the same feed of 51 and 19 is the same feed of 56. However though, I was kind of suprised they didnt push to get 48 ( UPN ) carried as it really wouldn`t take much to make it a full power station and it`s not unlike Dish to add a LP to the market anymore.

[gbranch]

Originally posted by JWT


Greg,

As of last fall, KLPN-58 ceased terrestrial transmission and is strictly cable tv delivered-but 48 continues to broadcast in tyler. However, in it`s place channel 54 has recently gone from CP to underconstruction and is listed as the same transmitter that 22 before it became 58 came off of at Seven Pines & TX-300 in East Mtn. What that means in terms of stations I have no idea.



Hi JWT,

Actually, KLPN IS still broadcasting on 58. I can pick it up right now with my OTA antenna pointed at East Mountain. I am about 8 miles due east of East Mountain. The only difference between terrestrial 58 and cable 4 is that Longview Cable receives the KLPN signal via fiber, so that the sound is available in MTS stereo. The OTA signal is in mono. There are also occasions when the OTA transmitter has gone offline, but the cable is still receiving the fiber feed from the KFXK/KLPN studios down on I-20. However, IMO, their signal coverage did decrease when they moved from 22 to 58.

The information that I had posted about KLSB-19 was from Chip Kelly's listings, http://www.100000watts.com/tv/TYR.html. This site lists CP's for 56 and 19, as well as digital 18 and 22. The CP's show co-location of 18, 19, and 56, with a different location for 22. So the thinking was - why would TV of ET broadcast NBC from 19 and 56 from the same tower? Now they could conceivable use directional antennas to beam 56 to Tyler/Longview and 19 to Lufkin/Nac. It is also possible that TV of ET could use 19 as a new WB affiliate, as they own the WB rights in the market via cable. It will be interesting to see what happens if and when 19 and 54 go live.

So it sounds like the deal with 7 is that Liberty wants 7 and 9, and Dish is only willing to put up 7. They pretty much have identical programming, except for local news and commercials.

Later,

Greg S. Branch

 

 

 

 

 

[JWT]

Greg,

How can you get 58? I`m the same distance but to the SW and havent gotten a thing from them since last year. I got them fine when they were at 22 and at 58 and then nothing....

But since I can get UPN elswhere, and my other DTV home in Dallas gets the "pro tv games" I really could care less anymore about it as it has no real local content.

The directional thing for 56/19 is probably how it will go, as far as 54 I have no idea, but if I were to bet some money on it I would guess it will probably be another LP religious indy nobody knows about or gets in Longview ( except by accident ) just like the TBN affilate on channel 10.

As to the 7/9 idea, it`s just speculation on my part. Maybe we will hear next week the exact reason(s)on the CChat along with how to do CC autopay ;)

Or better yet, why dont we both try to call in and ask?

[JWT]

Hey Greg,

I guess we are going to find out really soon what 19 & 54 are going to do, read this article I just found from the Tyler paper.


from: www.tylerpaper.com


DISH NETWORK TO OFFER LOCAL NBC,
FOX STATIONS ON SATELLITE




By: GREG JUNEK, Business Editor March 05, 2003




Dish Network satellite television customers in a 14-county area of East Texas will be able to receive two local channels beginning Thursday.

The company announced it will carry KETK-NBC 56 and KFXK-Fox 51 on satellite to customers in Angelina, Camp, Cherokee, Franklin, Gregg, Houston, Nacogdoches, Rusk, Sabine, San Augustine, Smith, Trinity, Upshur and Wood counties

Michelle Portillo, Dish Network spokeswoman, said the company was working for at least six months and possibly a year on negotiating an agreement with the local channels. "There are a lot of technical aspects in addition to the retransmission agreement, so it's not something that we can do overnight," she said.

Some stations will allow their programming to be carried over a satellite network free "because they see the benefit," Ms. Portillo said. Other stations demand a fee before they will sign on with a satellite provider.

Efforts to reach officials at KETK-NBC 56 were unsuccessful Wednesday.

For customers who are eligible to receive Dallas-Fort Worth CBS affiliate KTVT, the network will offer those customers a package of those three channels for $4.99 per month, which Ms. Portillo said is a discount off the regular $5.99 price.

Once an agreement is reached to provide KLTV-Channel 7, the Tyler ABC affiliate, via satellite, the price of the local TV package will remain at $4.99 per month for subscribers who are ineligible to receive KTVT. Customers eligible to receive the Dallas CBS affiliate will pay $5.99 per month for the package, Ms. Portillo said.She said a new Tyler CBS station is expected to begin operations by the end of the year and when it does, it will replace the Dallas station. The complete local channels package will then cost $5.99 per month.

Brad Streit, KLTV vice president and general manager, said in a prepared statement his station always wants to see its signal distributed to the widest audience possible and that it hopes to have an agreement in place with Dish Network soon.

Todd Chapman, owner of Chapman Advanced Satellite Systems Inc. in Tyler, said the new offerings would "definitely help sales."

"It really should, because that is one of the big draws for people wanting satellite television," he said. "They want to be able to get the local news on a satellite network with a digital picture."

Chapman said his company has a couple of pages containing names of customers who have told him to call them when the Dish Network began carrying local programming.

He said, however, he is concerned the channels will draw out-of-town and out-of-state dealers of satellite television and installation into East Texas. "They can put the system in, but whenever it's in, they're gone," Chapman said.

Donny Riggs of McCoy's Satellite Co. said his company has been hearing since October that Dish Network would soon offer the local channels."It's going to give the people of East Texas another opportunity for entertainment and news," he said.

Previously, many East Texans had to subscribe to a cable television provider to get the two local channels. Cable and satellite television representatives said Dish Network's entry into local programming will fuel competition between the two modes of transmission.

Michael Schwimmer, senior vice president of programming at EchoStar, Dish Network's parent company, said in a prepared statement the satellite network gives viewers a choice."Dish Network now provides local news, weather and sports in 100 percent digital quality to viewers who should not be left with Cox cable as their only choice for local television," Schwimmer said.

But Tom Cantrell, director of government affairs for Middle America Cox, said he does not believe carrying local programming via satellite will lure customers away from cable television "if they know the truth about the competition."

He said his company's cable service offered all of the "in-demand" channels at a better price. Cox also carries TISD and the City of Tyler channel, and participates in community events, something Cantrell says an out-of-town company cannot do.

"Where we think we've got them in terms of competing against them is we're here and they're not," Cantrell said. "If you have a problem, you can call us 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and we'll get your problem fixed."


Greg Junek is Business editor. He can be reached at 903.596.6280. e-mail: business@tylerpaper.com


©Tyler Morning Telegraph 2003

[gbranch]

Originally posted by JWT
Greg,

How can you get 58? I`m the same distance but to the SW and havent gotten a thing from them since last year. I got them fine when they were at 22 and at 58 and then nothing....

But since I can get UPN elswhere, and my other DTV home in Dallas gets the "pro tv games" I really could care less anymore about it as it has no real local content.



I think that 58 uses a directional antenna and sends most of their signal SE into Longview, so it is possible that if you are SW of the transmitter, you are simply outside the footprint. I have an amplified RatShack VU-190 antenna about 30' up, and am on the west side of a hill. So I can get a fair picture (about a 7 on a scale of 10) on 58 when I point the antenna due west.

I too very rarely watch 58. I watch no UPN programming, and the only thing that 58 was good for was Big 12 football and b-ball. But since I "moved" to Arlington last fall I can get the games on Dish on KFWD.

The article in the Tyler paper that you posted indicates that KLSB will be the new CBS affiliate :D . Maybe 54 will become WB :shrug:

Later,

Greg S. Branch

 

[Marcus S]

I wonder when the spot goes up for SW, NW, & NE Texas. Oh! That would be the distant Dallas subs about to be dropped.

[JoeDuncan]

Does Tyler Tx. really only have 3 major stations?

Just an update on the East TX station market (DMA111):

As of April 2004, East Texas has its new CBS19 (The Eye of East Texas) station which adds the major stations in this area to 5. CBS19 has been running for almost two years and is carried on all major satellite networks here.

As to the confusion about KLSB and KYTX:

Max Media of East Texas bought the rights to channel 19, started operations with call letters KLSB for the first day, then changed to KYTX. KLSB remains on the NBC network serving the Lufkin and Nacogdoches area on channel 53. CBS19 built its own high definition towers.

Tyler/Longview, TX:
KLTV 7 (ABC) - Carried on satellite/air/cable
KYTX 19 (CBS) as of April 2004 - Carried on satelliet/air/cable/HDTV
KTPN 48 (UPN) - Carried on satellite/air/cable
KFXK 51 (FOX) - Carried on satellite/air/cable (No news so the Dallas FOX affiliate also carried by broadband)
KETK 56 (NBC) - Carried on satellite/air/cable

Lufkin/Nacogdoches, TX:
KTRE 9 (ABC) part simulcast - Carried on air/cable
KFXL 31 (FOX) simulcast - Carried on air/cable (No news so the Dallas FOX affiliate also carried by broadband)
KLSB 53 (NBC) simulcast - Carried on air/cable
KCEB 54 (UPN) - Carried on satellite/air/cable

Other local TV station also carried on East Texas satellite/cable:
KERA 2 (PBS) Dallas/Ft. Worth - Carried on satellite/cable
KDFW 4 (FOX) Dallas/Ft. Worth - Carried on satellite/cable
WFAA 8 (ABC) Dallas/Ft. Worth - Carried on satellite/cable

[chaddux]

Just an update on the East TX station market (DMA111):

As of April 2004, East Texas has its new CBS19 (The Eye of East Texas) station which adds the major stations in this area to 5. CBS19 has been running for almost two years and is carried on all major satellite networks here.

As to the confusion about KLSB and KYTX:

Max Media of East Texas bought the rights to channel 19, started operations with call letters KLSB for the first day, then changed to KYTX. KLSB remains on the NBC network serving the Lufkin and Nacogdoches area on channel 53. CBS19 built its own high definition towers.

Tyler/Longview, TX:
KLTV 7 (ABC) - Carried on satellite/air/cable
KYTX 19 (CBS) as of April 2004 - Carried on satelliet/air/cable/HDTV
KTPN 48 (UPN) - Carried on satellite/air/cable
KFXK 51 (FOX) - Carried on satellite/air/cable (No news so the Dallas FOX affiliate also carried by broadband)
KETK 56 (NBC) - Carried on satellite/air/cable

Lufkin/Nacogdoches, TX:
KTRE 9 (ABC) part simulcast - Carried on air/cable
KFXL 31 (FOX) simulcast - Carried on air/cable (No news so the Dallas FOX affiliate also carried by broadband)
KLSB 53 (NBC) simulcast - Carried on air/cable
KCEB 54 (UPN) - Carried on satellite/air/cable

Other local TV station also carried on East Texas satellite/cable:
KERA 2 (PBS) Dallas/Ft. Worth - Carried on satellite/cable
KDFW 4 (FOX) Dallas/Ft. Worth - Carried on satellite/cable
WFAA 8 (ABC) Dallas/Ft. Worth - Carried on satellite/cable


TWO-AND-A-HALF-YEAR-OLD THREAD!

Yet another reason why...

OLD THREADS SHOULD BE LOCKED!

Besides, most of that isn't even accurate. Here are all of the things wrong with that:

KDFW is NOT carried on satellite for any Tyler/Longview/Lufkin/Nacogdoches residents (but this may change with significantly-viewed changes).
WFAA is NOT carried on satellite for any Tyler/Longview/Lufkin/Nacogdoches residents (but this may change with significantly-viewed changes).
KERA is NOT channel 2. It is channel 13 in Dallas and Tyler (59 on DISH Network). Channel 2 is PAX in Tyler on cable.
KFXL is NOT channel 31. It is channel 30.
KCEB is NOT carried by satellite at all.
KTPN is NOT available on DISH (since this is the DISH Network forum). (KTPN is on DirecTV.)
KCEB is out of Longview, not Lufkin/Nacogdoches.

And if you count UPN as a major station, then you'd also have to count KWTL which is the WB on channel 5 on cable only. So there would technically be 6 major stations in Tyler (even though I wouldn't count UPN and the WB as major stations).

Cue Darkman now! :D

[JohnH]

JoeDuncan, welcome to the forums anyway.

[Darkman]

TWO-AND-A-HALF-YEAR-OLD THREAD!

Yet another reason why...

OLD THREADS SHOULD BE LOCKED!

Cue Darkman now! :D
.. and here He is! :D ---------> Who gives a f* ... a flying kite that is ...about some occasional thread being lifted ...

Who cares.. :rolleyes: Let 'em lift those occasionally if people feel like it... - much better maybe than to start 10 (so called "fresh" ones) "Where is NFL Network?" threads (for example).. and b*tch and whine in ALL of them in the same fashion :lol:

Stop giving such a nice welcome to all those newbies Chad!
LOL - if you try somewhat harder, it might even go to their heads :lol:

Welcome to the forum, by the way, JoeDuncan! :welcome_s :welcome_s

P.S. Chaddux, to complement the newbie, at least he made an effort to read the "book" somewhat, instead of just turning the pages :p

[chaddux]

P.S. Chaddux, to complement the newbie, at least he made an effort to read the "book" somewhat, instead of just turning the pages

I have absolutely no idea what that means so I'm sure it's just another one of your badly interpreted phrases (like your Schindler's List comment) but if he is reading a "book" to get that info, he needs glasses because it was HIGHLY inaccurate. It doesn't do ANY good to bump an old thread with highly inaccurate information.

[Darkman]

Geeeze.. where is your sense of humor Chad:

At least he bothered to read the forum (INCLUDING THOSE OLD THREADS ALSO) .. instead of just "OPEN THE DOOR (as wide as needed to stick one's head in it), REGISTER and then quickly CLOSE THE DOOR SHUT again :D

Lighten up Chad! ( you might EVEN prolong your life span somewhat by doing so :) )

Anyhow.. Looks like you got your way, lol - as the thread is being closed now i see ;)