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http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=865537
Didn't see this posted here, thought someone might be interested.
ht New Strategic Partner To Speed Deployment of MFH3 Technology
Paris (France), El Segundo (USA), June 6, 2008 - Recently recognized as the most significant and innovative technology for the multi-family housing market, the MFH3 (Multi-Family Housing version 3) satellite-based distribution platform developed by DIRECTV and Thomson (Euronext 18453; NYSE: TMS), is being rolled out with a new software release that doubles the number of DIRECTV receivers MFH3 will support, providing a more cost- effective installation for large properties and enabling"injection" of local content, such as on-site amenity video feeds into the system.
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MFH3 enables the delivery of all DIRECTV programming and services using existing in-building wiring by converting DIRECTV signals into IP video packets to IP-enabled DIRECTV receivers. The system, not to be confused with IPTV, uses the technology as a simple distribution platform to deliver over a single home-run wire satellite TV and other services from a private "on-property" head-end to each customer dwelling. In addition to supporting both DIRECTV standard and HD DVR receivers, the IP distribution platform will also support voice, internet and interactive services over a single connection, enabling the delivery of triple-play bundles
texasbrit
06-06-08, 01:37 PM
I have yet to hear about an MFH3 installed system, or anyone's experience with MFH3 - or which receivers/DVRs will be available in an IP-enabled version. Maybe these are just the standard receivers/DVRs (people wondered what the ethernet port was for on the receivers?) with different software?
I would love to know more about how this works. Does it come over an ethernet cable?
I am in an apt building that has MFH2 with the swm. This could take it to a totally different level
Is the IP distribution going to be the backbone for HR2X MRV?
L2BENGTREK
06-06-08, 03:28 PM
Is the IP distribution going to be the backbone for HR2X MRV?
oh, good point! I'd be set with networking all through my house!
It sounds like it's just for apartments and condos and stuff though...too bad :nono2:
texasbrit
06-06-08, 03:56 PM
MFH3 was actually announced last year - this press release seems to be about an upgrade, but since the system does not seem to have been generally installed yet it may be a "pre-release" upgrade.
Draconis
06-06-08, 04:16 PM
I have some friends at Ironwood who have already worked on MFH3 systems. They said it was quite interesting in that they did not have to call in to activate any of the receivers. They just plugged them in to the RJ-45 and the command center activated them as soon as they saw that they were online.
If you want more information on the MFH3 system, check out this link.
http://directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf
Besides the D11I-100 and HR20I-100 have been out for some time now, (the MFH3 uses “I” series receivers).
Draconis
06-06-08, 04:33 PM
I think that I found a little clarification on this.
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2008/06/02/daily78.html
There is nothing new with the existence of the MF3 system, what is new is that they can attach more receivers to it.
... is being released with a new software that doubles the number of DirecTV receivers MFH3 will support.
I think that I found a little clarification on this.
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2008/06/02/daily78.html
There is nothing new with the existence of the MF3 system, what is new is that they can attach more receivers to it.
That's what it says in the OP on this.
In addition to supporting both DirecTV standard and HD DVR receivers, the IP distribution platform also will support voice, internet and interactive services over a single connection, enabling the delivery of triple-play bundles.
Also, the way that sounds, I wonder if we will be able to do DoD without using our own internet connection. If it came over the satelight, it would be much faster. Am I correct in saying this?
Incog-Neato
06-06-08, 08:41 PM
HD-DVR and STANDARD receiver only are being made in the "i" format. Since they are the only 2 receivers available DirecTV will be subsidizing the HD-DVR down to the cost of a standard HD receiver ($99) for MFH3 customers. Sytem works great.
To quote:
Some customers in MFH3 properties need an HD-only or DVR-only receiver as opposed to one of the two models available (standard or HD-DVR).
Because DIRECTV does not offer an MFH3-compatible “i” version of the HD-only or DVR-only receivers, we have designed a process that will allow MDU dealers to sell HD-DVR receivers to customers at HD-only and DVR-only receiver advertised pricing. This process will also allow customers to pay for and utilize only the functions of the HD-DVR that they need (i.e., only HD or only DVR service).
I have yet to hear about an MFH3 installed system, or anyone's experience with MFH3 - or which receivers/DVRs will be available in an IP-enabled version. Maybe these are just the standard receivers/DVRs (people wondered what the ethernet port was for on the receivers?) with different software?
Incog-Neato
06-06-08, 08:44 PM
It still comes over the satellite, it is just distributed via ethernet, on the same cable your internet would use if it was offered by the provider so you are "sharing" the same connection.
In addition to supporting both DirecTV standard and HD DVR receivers, the IP distribution platform also will support voice, internet and interactive services over a single connection, enabling the delivery of triple-play bundles.
Also, the way that sounds, I wonder if we will be able to do DoD without using our own internet connection. If it came over the satelight, it would be much faster. Am I correct in saying this?
Draconis
06-07-08, 07:45 PM
Another link about the subject.
You know, I just realized something about the MFH3 system. The MFH3 system gives DIRECTV and their partners the ability to offer a "triple play" just like the cable companies do.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/media/directv-thomson-launch-new-version-unique-multi-family-housing-triple-play/
\ The MFH3 system gives DIRECTV and their partners the ability to offer a "triple play" just like the cable companies do.
Re read the first post. You would've noticed it yesterday when you first saw it.
Draconis
06-09-08, 05:30 PM
That's what it says in the OP on this.
Re read the first post. You would've noticed it yesterday when you first saw it.
Well, I guess that is what I get for skimming over the article and not reading it thoroughly. My apologies.
I’m actually quite interested in this system because I’m curious about its potential home applications.
One theoretical DIRECTV system I envisioned a while ago involved a HD DVR (HR20/21/?) attached to a SWM8. The HD DVR would use all 8 channels from the SWM8 and then attach to the other receivers (H21/H23/?) in the household by RJ-45 and stream content to the other receivers over the network connections.
I have been watching the MFH3 system because I’ve been curious if it would ever evolve into such a system.
I cant seem to find the business card, however, there was such an implementation at the vegas C.E.S. show. If I find it, I'll get back to you.
Draconis
06-20-08, 01:24 AM
Another article.
http://www.buildingonline.com/news/viewnews.pl?id=7225&subcategory=228
The HOA for the single family home community I reside in is going to have MFH3 FTTH installed in the next few months. We will be part of a bulk TV/Internet package with Directv and will not be renewing our bulk package with our cable company.
There hasn't been any postings on this thread since June and I would appreciate information from anyone who has had experience with this technology.
JoeTheDragon
03-28-09, 09:57 PM
att U-Verse has a system like this. Is MFH3 able to mirror VOD data on site?
Does VOD work with the MFH3 system?
Jeremy W
03-30-09, 03:51 PM
Is MFH3 able to mirror VOD data on site?
No.
Does VOD work with the MFH3 system?
I don't see what MFH3 would have to do with it. VOD is delivered via the Internet.
Does MFH3 have any specific requirements for MGCP, RSVP or any form of Qos from the Ethernet network?
Does anyone have resources on good documentation on this solution?
Thanks in Advance!
MtnDoo
Fabuloso
06-14-09, 02:58 AM
here are some instructions and pics [url][URL="http://http://www.fallsearth.com/campus/60208/pdf/NU_D-11i_Installation_Guide_March2009.pdf"] i cant make it a clickable link since i havent had 5 posts yet
MFH3_Engineer_0036
06-07-10, 12:19 AM
I am an Engineer and Technician with a company that utilizes MFH3 technology with currently 80 MFH3 properties across the USA. If anyone has questions, please ask. I know there are a lot of people on here who have questions, so please ask.
I am an Engineer and Technician with a company that utilizes MFH3 technology with currently 80 MFH3 properties across the USA. If anyone has questions, please ask. I know there are a lot of people on here who have questions, so please ask.
Thanks for offering your time and input on this subject.
One question I have at the moment is why are (or "some" is it?) MFH3 installations unable to receive the new D12 A-band CONUS transponders as noted by a memo from DirecTV in excerpt here?
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2488214#post2488214
If the change in channel mapping to D12 while D10 is undergoing its corrective procedure is transmitted in the satellite's data stream. Why is this mapping change not simply received at the head end point of an MFH3 facility and transparently passed on through the IP network to the individual receivers?
Or is this just something peculiar to the HR20i-100swhich cannot tune to the national channels on the D12 satellite?
The contract in our building is coming up and I am wondering if its worth it to push for them to upgrade our building to the MFH3 system. I just have a few questions:
1. Will it solve signal degredation problem? i.e. no longer the need for amplifiers etc.
2. Does this mean we won't need SWM's? It'll be some type of multi-switch router?
3. Can the Cat5e Backbone handle the Internet traffic + DTV's all running through the same wiring?
Any help would be appreicated.
Shades228
02-10-11, 12:28 PM
The contract in our building is coming up and I am wondering if its worth it to push for them to upgrade our building to the MFH3 system. I just have a few questions:
1. Will it solve signal degredation problem? i.e. no longer the need for amplifiers etc.
2. Does this mean we won't need SWM's? It'll be some type of multi-switch router?
3. Can the Cat5e Backbone handle the Internet traffic + DTV's all running through the same wiring?
Any help would be appreicated.
Upgrading to MFH3 will probably not be economically sound if you have MFH2 setup. For a very small fraction of the cost to buy all new equipment and setup distribution you could resolve any of your MFH2 setup issues.
Is your bulding setup with SWM? If not I would push for that technology rather than MFH3. SWM should stabalize some of the issues your having. Using SWM 32's and filters you can have MRV and 3d, which MFH3 cannot have at this time, and it would be much much cheaper.
To be honest I'm just confused by the whole deal.
There are a few residents (about 10) who consistently deal with problems with pictures or searching for signal. I don't know if its due to the wiring or something. We currently have SWM's. I don't know what filters would do to help.
To be honest I was excited about the whole MFH3 thing b/c I just assumed it would bring a clarified uniform signal throughout the building and would cut the equipment usage down. We have very small closets throughout our building and we are currently using 5 of them to distribute DTV. We used to only use 2 closets but the temperatures in those closets were a nonstop 100+ degrees.
cabletech
02-11-11, 10:26 AM
If you have residents that are consistently having problem, one of the first things I would do is get the system operator to work with you and go from top bottom of the buildings and perform a complete system 'tune up' and as that is part of the agreement that most sys op's have, is to provide quiality signal to the outlet. If he does this and then the resident still has problems, then it is the residents problem. Start with the sys op.
Jeremy W
02-11-11, 07:37 PM
To be honest I was excited about the whole MFH3 thing b/c I just assumed it would bring a clarified uniform signal throughout the building and would cut the equipment usage down.
MFH3 gets rid of the coax entirely and distributes the signal over an Ethernet network. So it would have that effect, but it would also make most of your existing coax system useless.
Shades228
02-11-11, 07:44 PM
MFH3 gets rid of the coax entirely and distributes the signal over an Ethernet network. So it would have that effect, but it would also make most of your existing coax system useless.
The cost would be significant though for only fixing 10 people's problem. What you need to do is get the sysop to fix the issues or find a new sysop that will take care of your system properly.
Jeremy W
02-11-11, 07:47 PM
The cost would be significant though for only fixing 10 people's problem.
Yes, definitely. I was not meaning to encourage vspede to upgrade to MFH3.
But the cost would not be passed onto us but to the Sysop correct?
Although the opinions here definitely are making me gunshy in asking the companies I will be meeting with if they would install an MFH3 system or not.
Jeremy W
02-12-11, 02:23 PM
But the cost would not be passed onto us but to the Sysop correct?
Why wouldn't you have to pay for it?
Shades228
02-12-11, 06:08 PM
But the cost would not be passed onto us but to the Sysop correct?
Although the opinions here definitely are making me gunshy in asking the companies I will be meeting with if they would install an MFH3 system or not.
No sysop is going to buy a new head end and want to rewire everything just to do it. Forget MFH3 and focus on getting your sysop to fix the issues you have. If they can't then find a sysop who will.
cabletech
02-12-11, 09:38 PM
AS a sysop, if the HOA came to me and said install MFH3, the first thing I would do is give a price for the change over THAT THE HOA WOULD BE BILLED FOR..with a cash upfront deposit. Then I order parts (usually 7-10 days out), then send notices to the residents that the entire system would be off the air for a day (maybe two--not all at same time), while the upgrades took place. Once installed YOU can bet the HOA is going to up the rent to cover the cost of the upgrade. AGAIN, I STRASS, (as a few others has also stated with me), GET THE SYSOP TO CLEANUP THE SYSTEM. If the sysop does not want to cleanup the system and get it working the way it should, THEN connect (maybe) MULITIBAND at the number I gave you in another post and tell them the sysop does not want to play nice and maybe they can help.
BUT also be aware that when you contact any body about the sysop, YOU CANNOT be the one to make that call UNLESS YOU SIGNED the paper work or have been designated as a contact person.
In keeping with the tittle of the thread, just a heads up that a new firmware update should be rolling out soon. This update will affect only the HR20i and bring it into line with the current RF release, 0456. This will enable dual live buffer and MRV among other improvements. However due to the limitations of the HR20 model, 3D cannot be supported. The MRV will be over ethernet and as such will pose it's own challenges. All in all, a giant step forward.
dsw2112
02-12-11, 10:26 PM
...The MRV will be over ethernet and as such will pose it's own challenges...
Since the top ethernet port would be used for MRV a DECA could be used in theory (if coaxial cable was also installed in the building.)
Jeremy W
02-13-11, 02:01 AM
Since the top ethernet port would be used for MRV a DECA could be used in theory (if coaxial cable was also installed in the building.)
I think it would be rather pointless, but it's certainly possible.
dsw2112
02-13-11, 09:50 AM
I think it would be rather pointless, but it's certainly possible.
The MFH3 ethernet uses the bottom jack on the receiver and cannot be used to MRV with. That means a second connection is needed through the top ethernet port. For those without a second ethernet infrastructure (but having a coaxial one) they could use DECA to connect their receivers.
cabletech
02-13-11, 01:08 PM
TO GTS dsw2112 and jeremy, I do believe that you guys are in the wrong thread with your posts, but they are good points. Take a look at the 1st post and you will see this is about a master system in a apartment/condo.
And that's exactly what is being posted about, a new firmware version of the HR20i for the MFH3 system.
Jeremy W
02-13-11, 03:31 PM
TO GTS dsw2112 and jeremy, I do believe that you guys are in the wrong thread with your posts, but they are good points. Take a look at the 1st post and you will see this is about a master system in a apartment/condo.
Everything posted in this thread has been on-topic.
cabletech
02-13-11, 05:37 PM
Missing he point, HIS BUILDING DOES NOT HAVE THE MFH3 SYSTEM.
Jeremy W
02-13-11, 05:46 PM
Missing he point, HIS BUILDING DOES NOT HAVE THE MFH3 SYSTEM.
This thread isn't about his building, it's about MFH3 in general. You seem to be the one missing the point here.
dsw2112
02-13-11, 05:47 PM
Missing he point, HIS BUILDING DOES NOT HAVE THE MFH3 SYSTEM.
:confused:
Who's building? Several have asked for advice in this thread about their buildings, but the OP is about MFH3...
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=865537
Didn't see this posted here, thought someone might be interested.
ht New Strategic Partner To Speed Deployment of MFH3 Technology
Paris (France), El Segundo (USA), June 6, 2008 - Recently recognized as the most significant and innovative technology for the multi-family housing market, the MFH3 (Multi-Family Housing version 3) satellite-based distribution platform developed by DIRECTV and Thomson (Euronext 18453; NYSE: TMS), is being rolled out with a new software release that doubles the number of DIRECTV receivers MFH3 will support, providing a more cost- effective installation for large properties and enabling"injection" of local content, such as on-site amenity video feeds into the system.
...
MFH3 enables the delivery of all DIRECTV programming and services using existing in-building wiring by converting DIRECTV signals into IP video packets to IP-enabled DIRECTV receivers. The system, not to be confused with IPTV, uses the technology as a simple distribution platform to deliver over a single home-run wire satellite TV and other services from a private "on-property" head-end to each customer dwelling. In addition to supporting both DIRECTV standard and HD DVR receivers, the IP distribution platform will also support voice, internet and interactive services over a single connection, enabling the delivery of triple-play bundles
Thanks for the wonderful advice. After meeting with a few sysops it does look like they are very hesitant to discuss MFH3 installation. After reading the great opinions on this threat I believe we will continue sticking with MFH2.
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