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I am totally impressed. We had a huge storm in Dallas, and power was out at my house for over 4 hours. My Monster UPS kept the esata drive and HR20 going the whole time. Three different times, power surged on, lots of stuff flashed, power immediately went off again, the DVR rebooted, and I put it back in standby as soon as the reboot finished.
First of all, I was shocked that the UPS kept the ESATA and DVR both going. I just turned the system on to check everything out, and found NOTHING WRONG. I wouldn't have been surprised at all if my to do list was gone and I had lost my recordings. I see lots and lots of complaints about the HR20 on this site, and I've had a few myself, but this is really impressive.
dhelmet78
06-17-08, 06:18 PM
My Monster UPS kept the esata drive and HR20 going the whole time.
Three different times (...) the DVR rebooted, and I put it back in standby as soon as the reboot finished.
First of all, I was shocked that the UPS kept the ESATA and DVR both going.
Huh? Why did it keep rebooting?
tcusta00
06-17-08, 06:28 PM
Huh? Why did it keep rebooting?
because...
Three different times, power surged on, lots of stuff flashed, power immediately went off again, the DVR rebooted, and I put it back in standby as soon as the reboot finished.
Greg Alsobrook
06-17-08, 06:30 PM
because...
but he has a UPS.... :confused:
If your DVR rebooted because of a power surge while plugged into a UPS either your UPS is faulty, the battery went dead or you had it plugged into the surge protection side rather than the battery backup.
What UPS do you have? What else is plugged into it?
but he has a UPS.... :confused:
Something isn't right here. The UPS should have kept the voltage stable unless the battery went dead.
Bob
Sirshagg
06-17-08, 07:31 PM
Something isn't right here. The UPS should have kept the voltage stable unless the battery went dead.
Bob
Agreed. Something definitly ain't right there.
davring
06-17-08, 07:36 PM
The Monster left the building:) Battery and all.
The DVR probably kept rebooting because of the FAP drive. The HR20, drive and TV are all plugged into the backup plugs of the Monster UPS, which provides power but not surge protection. The UPS is plugged into a Monster surge protector. These were huge power surges, so the surge protector probably wasn't good enough to totally protect the drive. By the time of the first reboot, I'd been running off the battery for at least 2 hours.
SubSlr08
06-18-08, 10:10 AM
The DVR probably kept rebooting because of the FAP drive. The HR20, drive and TV are all plugged into the backup plugs of the Monster UPS, which provides power but not surge protection. The UPS is plugged into a Monster surge protector. These were huge power surges, so the surge protector probably wasn't good enough to totally protect the drive. By the time of the first reboot, I'd been running off the battery for at least 2 hours.
The Tripplite UPS unit instructions I have specifically states that it should NOT be plugged into a surge protector - the UPS unit IS a surge protector on both the backup plugs and surge protect only plugs. If your DVR, eSATA drive and TV were plugged into the UPS plugs they should not have gone down.
That's unless your UPS unit works a whole lot different than those I'm familiar with . . .:confused:
:confused: my hr20's dont reboot when i lose power, and they are plugged into ups's. sounds like that monster is faulty. what would be the point in owning a ups if the dvr is going to reboot everytime the power goes out:confused:
Supervolcano
06-18-08, 01:45 PM
The Tripplite UPS unit instructions I have specifically states that it should NOT be plugged into a surge protector - the UPS unit IS a surge protector on both the backup plugs and surge protect only plugs. If your DVR, eSATA drive and TV were plugged into the UPS plugs they should not have gone down.
That's unless your UPS unit works a whole lot different than those I'm familiar with . . .:confused:
Same with all UPS's made by APC.
Instructions specifically state to NOT plug the unit into a surge protector.
A UPS's first and foremost job is surge protection (on all ports).
It's secondary job is to supply backup power (to certain ports).
I seriously believe the original poster needs to reread his UPS's instruction manual. If he doesn't have it anymore then he needs to find it online and read it carefully.
Four hours on a UPS is a loooooooooooooong time...unless it it one, really big, honkin' UPS. I've got a twin battery 1500 watter (I think) and it will keep three DVRs alive about an hour and a half. Then it is lights out. But it does a good job of surge protection when the power does come back on even if it flickers a couple of times.
CCarncross
06-18-08, 03:16 PM
Yep, UPS plugged into a surge protector is a big no-no from every brand of UPS I have ever run across....
dhelmet78
06-19-08, 06:25 AM
Right, I was going to say... something is wrong. Any UPS should be able to stand a power spike or dip. The fact that his UPS was killing output power during these "events" made me think something was fishy. And 4 hours? That is one BIG ups, regardless of the brand name.
Wisegoat
06-19-08, 08:21 AM
No way this ran 4 hours. I have a total of 6000 KVA (3000 for the HR20 and Head, 3000 for the TV and everything else) in my entertainment center. My longest uptime is about 1 hour 45 minutes. Could probably get over 2 hours with the Head off. And my stuff never restarts. A UPS is supposed to be instantaneous. Generator with an Automatic Transfer Switch would explain the momentary power losses, but I think one would know the difference between a UPS and a Generator!
Bottom line, I agree with everyone else. Something's rotten in the state of Denmark.
infn8zero
06-19-08, 09:18 AM
No UPS is UL certified to be plugged into any other device except the wall outlet supplying direct AC power. Also daisy chaining UPS is a big "NO NO". It won't provide any extra run time as each of the UPS in line will see a drop in the sine wave and all trip to battery at the same time.
mbuser,
Your UPS will work as a surge protector and backup power. Plug it directly into an outlet. It will only keep things powered up so long though. If the UPS gets near to running out of power it's best to shut down the items. If your TV was turned on it will drain the power very quickly.
jganyard
06-19-08, 10:43 AM
Also daisy chaining UPS is a big "NO NO". It won't provide any extra run time as each of the UPS in line will see a drop in the sine wave and all trip to battery at the same time.
Based on my limited battery knowledge and experience with marine deep cycle batteries I can tell you that statement doesn't ring true for me (I could be wrong though). Multiple batteries connected in parallel = some instead of all current being drawn, load sharing. This means longer run time since the total amperage being drawn is spread across several batteries.
MikeekiM
06-19-08, 10:48 AM
What size is your UPS? Four hours is impressive, straddling unbelievable... :)
I have a 1500VA, but honestly have not tested it's limits...
dbronstein
06-19-08, 12:41 PM
Based on my limited battery knowledge and experience with marine deep cycle batteries I can tell you that statement doesn't ring true for me (I could be wrong though). Multiple batteries connected in parallel = some instead of all current being drawn, load sharing. This means longer run time since the total amperage being drawn is spread across several batteries.
If you are chaining multiple UPS, they are connected in series, not parallel.
SubSlr08
06-19-08, 03:31 PM
Based on my limited battery knowledge and experience with marine deep cycle batteries I can tell you that statement doesn't ring true for me (I could be wrong though). Multiple batteries connected in parallel = some instead of all current being drawn, load sharing. This means longer run time since the total amperage being drawn is spread across several batteries.
In this instance, daisy-chaining UPS units, you're connecting a DC>AC converter to another DC>AC converter's output, not connecting batteries i.e. DC to DC. What you said is true but it doesn't apply in this case. And I know of no reason to daisy-chain UPS units - that's about as smart as trying to plug one into itself. . . LOL~:hurah:
CCarncross
06-19-08, 03:45 PM
What size is your UPS? Four hours is impressive, straddling unbelievable... :)
I have a 1500VA, but honestly have not tested it's limits...
My 1500VA APS will run my HR20, my eSATA and my wireless router for well over 3 hours, so I guess I dont think 4 is out of the question.
MikeekiM
06-20-08, 02:59 AM
My 1500VA APS will run my HR20, my eSATA and my wireless router for well over 3 hours, so I guess I dont think 4 is out of the question.
Wow...impressive... I have an HR20, an HR21, and a Sony SAT-T60 on my 1500VA :) A lot of power draw... Definitely not expecting to measure my power protection in hourly units!
My outages are usually less than a minute, so having all three of these protected is priority 1 for me... If I have an outage that lasts for multiple hours, then I am more worried about the food in my fridge spoiling than my DVRs... ;)
jganyard
06-20-08, 08:51 AM
Sounds to me like some of you guys might be interested in getting yourselves one of the smaller inverter based generators like the little Honda's.
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