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scoobybri
06-24-08, 03:31 PM
The reason I am posting this is to show a "comedy-of-errors," not to degrade any particular service.

My wife and I had DirecTv for 5 years until 2006 (very satisfied with the service) when we wanted to go HD and DirecTv was charging $300, not to own, but to lease their HD DVRs. We had 2 DirecTivos at the time. So that would have been $600 to upgrade both. We called our cable company and they charged us nothing but the normal monthly lease fee for an HD DVR. So we went with cable. 2 years later, I found that DirecTv had dropped the price of their upfront lease fees for their HD DVRs AND they are now offering a ton more HD channels than our cable company. I called DirecTv to find out what kind of deal they could offer me as a returning customer. They offered 2 HD DVRs, that after all discounts, would cost me about $90 out of pocket with free installation of a new dish. Plus I would be getting about 25 more HD channels for about $20 a month less than I am paying for cable. Sounds good. I decide to order and that's where the fun starts. First, the rep takes my order for 2 HD DVRs and schedules an install on the Tuesday the 17th. After I check online to see if everything is right, I see that the order is for one HD DVR and one regular DVR. Not right. So I call back. The rep tells me that the system won’t accept 2 HD DVRs on one order so she deletes the first order and creates 2 orders, one for each HD DVR, and schedules them both for installation on the 17th. Everything looks ok online initially. A day later, I notice that one of the orders is cancelled. So I call for the 3rd time. After 30 min., the rep tells me that someone at DirecTv cancelled the 2nd DVR order because they thought it was a duplicate. So she says that she will add the 2nd HD DVR to this order. I said “I thought you couldn’t do that.” She says that she can. So I leave it at that. Monday June 16th rolls around and I pull my TV setups apart in prep for the install the next day. About 5PM, I get an automated call from DirecTv telling me that I need to schedule an appointment. Huh? I go online and see every order has been cancelled. Huh? So I call the 4th time and spend 45 min on the phone. The rep cannot tell me why the orders were canceled but tells me that she can reschedule the appointment for Friday. This means that I’ve got to put everything back together to use my TVs for the rest of the week and then pull them back out again before the tech comes. By this point I’m getting miffed. I threaten to just cancel the whole thing. The rep is like “OK” I say, “You are willing to lose a potential client?” So she send me to another department. This rep tells me that she will give me one of the HD DVRs for no charge. Sweet! Now I'm in the black once I get my programming discounts over the course of the year. She makes sure all previous orders are cancelled and creates 2 more, one for each HD DVR, with an installation date of Friday in the afternoon. Coolio. So I look online after the call and see that I was being charged full price on one DVR and ½ price on the other which was the original deal, not the one the rep just quoted. So I call for the 5th time. Rep apologizes and says that she will fix it. But it doesn’t end. I look at the order again, since I don’t have any faith in their system, and I notice that one of the installs is scheduled for Friday morning while the other one is scheduled for the afternoon. Huh? Call #6. The rep assures me that both are scheduled for the afternoon and that there must be a problem with the website. Tuesday…I look online again. One of the 2 current orders is cancelled!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!! The open order is listed as having an install time of Friday morning. Call #7. Rep looks in the system and tells me that there are 2 HD DVRs on the current order and that the scheduled install time is Friday afternoon…even though the order online only says one HD DVR with an install on Friday morning.

So, Friday rolls around. I pull everything apart again in prep for the installers. Installers show up on Friday afternoon. They look at the work order and tell me that it is only for one HD DVR upgrade...no dish install, no 2nd HD DVR, no install of my old DVRs. They tell me they cannot do the install since their work order is wrong and they only have one HD DVR on the truck. I call DirecTv for the 8th time. The installer calls his supervisor. Their supervisor tells them that their work order is right and to leave. "It's DirecTv's problem...they need to fix it." The installer takes the time to go to their scheduling people to make sure they have no other work orders for my address. Meanwhile, DirecTv is telling me that they have a work order for 2 HD DVRs to be installed. At this point, I'm getting ready to call Echo. I get disconnected from Dtv customer service and have to call back and start explaining the whole story again. Call #9. I'm transferred 3 times. The installer finally leaves after being in my home for 50 minutes telling me that there is nothing he can do. I finally get in touch with someone competent who researches the whole process from the first order to today. Turns out that 2 different departments were reviewing each other's orders and canceling them out over and over...because of the 2nd HD DVR I wanted. Is that so uncommon? That a customer might want 2 HD DVRs? It amazes me that their systems and corporate structure would be setup to think that 2 HD DVRs to one returning customer is an anomaly that needs fixing. The rep supposedly gave me an additional programming discount for a year which helps but my faith is wavering.

So the earliest that the installer could reschedule was Tuesday, one full week from the time it was supposed to be installed and almost 2 weeks since I ordered service. I got the work order # for the installation and called the local install company the day before to verify that the order was scheduled correctly and that it included professional installation of 2 HD DVRs, a new dish, and reconnection of my old DirecTivo boxes. Everything looked A-OK.

At the present moment, I am sitting here, fingers crossed, waiting for the installer to call or show up. It is now 2:30PM and they have until 4PM to get here. I'm not holding my breath. I'll keep you posted.

Scooby

L2BENGTREK
06-24-08, 03:42 PM
well?

L2BENGTREK
06-24-08, 03:43 PM
my bad scoob....didn't see your location :lol:

you're three hours behind me!

scoobybri
06-24-08, 05:44 PM
Update! Installer shows up at 3:15PM and asks me if the install is for 3 units. I say "No. It's for 2 HD DVRs and 2 DVRs that I own." He looks over the order, which obviously shows I'm right. So he says, "Um, I only have one HD DVR on the truck. I can hook up the rooms and they can mail you the other DVR." I say "Nope. This is the third install appointment that has been screwed up. You need to get another HD DVR." So the installer calls the office to make sure he can still get one from the "warehouse." After a few minutes, he walks away and says, over his shoulder without looking at me (obviously P.O.'d), "I'll be back sir." It's now 4:45 and he's not back yet.

One more "glitch" and Dish is getting a new customer.

Scooby

Greg Alsobrook
06-24-08, 05:51 PM
Wow... :nono2: What a mess scoobybri... This kind of stuff should never happen...

I commend you for the patience you have shown... I hope it all works out in the end... Keep us posted...

PicaKing
06-24-08, 06:27 PM
The pre-install portion of your story is a bit unusual, but the install portion--pretty common. You didn't experience the installer no-shows and shoddy work yet--wait--it's coming.

timmmaaayyy2003
06-24-08, 06:43 PM
I quit my job with DTV retention after my "team leader" refused to fix an install issue for a customer that had already paid up front for an HD-OTA antenna that was not on the installers truck.

Her excuse? "He signed the work order."

This was only because he had already had to wait several times due to equipment shortages.

wildbill129
06-24-08, 06:59 PM
I feel your pain. I have only had one semi-good install ever. I have just resigned myself to the fact that I will always pre-wire everything, and subsequently clean-up everything afterwards.....not bashing all installers, I know there are some good ones, I just haven't been so lucky.......

scoobybri
06-24-08, 07:14 PM
Update....6:10 PM and the installer is still not back. It's been 3 hours to make what should be a 1-1/2 hr. round trip in worst case traffic. I called at the 2 hour mark and they contacted the guy who said he would be here in 30 min. That deadline was missed 30 minutes ago. Oh well, guess he figures he can screw me since I made him get the equipment that he should have brought in the first place.

Until I see every TV on and working properly, I have no faith that this is actually gonna happen.

Scooby

jeffreydavisjr
06-24-08, 07:16 PM
Update....6:10 PM and the installer is still not back. It's been 3 hours to make what should be a 1-1/2 hr. round trip in worst case traffic. I called at the 2 hour mark and they contacted the guy who said he would be here in 30 min. That deadline was missed 30 minutes ago. Oh well, guess he figures he can screw me since I made him get the equipment that he should have brought in the first place.

Until I see every TV on and working properly, I have no faith that this is actually gonna happen.

Scooby

Good luck, keep us posted because I definently want to know how this ends.

BattleZone
06-24-08, 08:46 PM
Here's the problem:

DirecTV built their ordering system specifically to prevent CSRs from giving people non-standard upgrade offers. The CSRs tried to override/work around the system, but the system is doing what it is supposed to do and canceling those work orders.

What you need to do is let them do a SINGLE HD-DVR upgrade (including dish), and then a second install a day or two later for the other HD-DVR. Had you agreed to let them do that, you'd be watching your TV already.

The CSRs were willing to give you a good deal that they aren't technically allowed to give you, which is a good thing, but requires a bit of accomidation from you, in that you can't have it all done at once. Let them work with their ordering systems (instead of insisting that it be done your way) and things will go much more smoothly for you.

scoobybri
06-24-08, 10:50 PM
Let them work with their ordering systems (instead of insisting that it be done your way) and things will go much more smoothly for you.

Since I do not work for DirecTv and thus not privy as to whether or not my order is "special" or "out of the ordinary" or how my specific order works or does not within their systems, how could I be expected to do anything but inquire as to why they keep deleting my orders and missing installation appointments. If "insisting that it be done my way" means that an installer shows up at my house on the correct day with the correct equipment as specified by the order that the CSR entered into the system on my behalf, then color me the stupid pushy customer.

Scooby

scoobybri
06-24-08, 10:54 PM
PS The installer showed up at 6:30PM and performed the install without incident. Got everything (as specified by the CSR that entered the order) and am happy.

Scooby

SDizzle
06-24-08, 11:16 PM
PS The installer showed up at 6:30PM and performed the install without incident. Got everything (as specified by the CSR that entered the order) and am happy.

Scooby

Very nice to hear! No, you were not pushy or wrong in expecting them to do the complete install all at once. Had you let them install 1 HDDVR, it would be hell getting a 2nd install for that 2nd HDDVR!! All of a sudden, they would have no notes of that 2nd HDDVR?!?!?

ironwood
06-25-08, 12:03 AM
I installed 4 HD DVRs on a single work order and that was no problem. What does sound wrong in this whole story is the price you were given. 90 dollars for 2 units sounds like an unauthorized discount and that might have caused the issue. Usually you get a deal on one unit, not on two.

scoobybri
06-25-08, 01:04 AM
FYI...It wasn't $90 for 2 units. That was the net cost for the 2 HD DVRs after all discounts were subtracted from the upfront costs. (including per month discounts in programming.) I did end up with a better price than that, but only because I threatened to cancel after the 3rd or 4th screw up.

Scooby

Mike Bertelson
06-25-08, 04:42 AM
Here's the problem:

DirecTV built their ordering system specifically to prevent CSRs from giving people non-standard upgrade offers. The CSRs tried to override/work around the system, but the system is doing what it is supposed to do and canceling those work orders.

What you need to do is let them do a SINGLE HD-DVR upgrade (including dish), and then a second install a day or two later for the other HD-DVR. Had you agreed to let them do that, you'd be watching your TV already.

The CSRs were willing to give you a good deal that they aren't technically allowed to give you, which is a good thing, but requires a bit of accomidation from you, in that you can't have it all done at once. Let them work with their ordering systems (instead of insisting that it be done your way) and things will go much more smoothly for you.
How unusual is for one household to have two HD-DVRs?

It seems, to me at least, to limit all upgrade offers to one DVR is just foolish.

When it got to the point that scoobybri had to talk to four calls prior to the first install and another five calls you would think that someone with the appropriate authority would allow two HD-DVRs in one install.

IMHO, no matter what the policies are for CSRs and upgrades, this got a out of hand.

Scooby, Good to hear that it has worked out. :)

Mike

Greg Alsobrook
06-25-08, 07:53 AM
PS The installer showed up at 6:30PM and performed the install without incident. Got everything (as specified by the CSR that entered the order) and am happy.

Scooby

Thanks for the update scooby... Glad to hear everything worked out... :biggthump

rhambling
06-25-08, 08:22 AM
I installed 4 HD DVRs on a single work order and that was no problem. .

thats it. i had one work order that was 6 hd dvrs and 2 hds with a 6x16. this guy had some money. luckily most of his receivers were in a single room. did some sort of gambling, trading business.

BattleZone
06-25-08, 10:29 AM
How unusual is for one household to have two HD-DVRs?

It seems, to me at least, to limit all upgrade offers to one DVR is just foolish.


The part that you're missing is the PRICE/DEAL/DISCOUNT. The ordering system is designed to prevent giving rebates/discounts on MORE THAN ONE HD-DVR at the same time. The CSRs were trying to trick the system (i.e., violating business rules) to allow them to give the customer discounts on multiple HD-DVRs on the same order. The system (including dupe alerts and account oversight) was properly flagging the orders as irregular and routing them to a supervisor for attention. The supervisors were following business rules by canceling the offending orders.

There would have been no issue for someone getting the normal discount on their first HD-DVR and paying regular price for any additional units.

Bill Broderick
06-25-08, 10:32 AM
Here's the problem:

DirecTV built their ordering system specifically to prevent CSRs from giving people non-standard upgrade offers. The CSRs tried to override/work around the system, but the system is doing what it is supposed to do and canceling those work orders.

What you need to do is let them do a SINGLE HD-DVR upgrade (including dish), and then a second install a day or two later for the other HD-DVR. Had you agreed to let them do that, you'd be watching your TV already.

The CSRs were willing to give you a good deal that they aren't technically allowed to give you, which is a good thing, but requires a bit of accomidation from you, in that you can't have it all done at once. Let them work with their ordering systems (instead of insisting that it be done your way) and things will go much more smoothly for you.

I had similar things happen to me whey DirecTV was attempting to give me two HD DVR's. They scheduled two appointments for me on the same day and the system canceled one of them. I noticed this the night before my appointment was scheduled. The installation supervisior explained exactly what IIP described and setup a second appointment for me on a different day. He attempted to call the installation company to let them know that there were two scheduled installations scheduled for me on different days so that the installation company could perform both installations at once and get paid for them both with a single service call. Unfortunately, it was too late and the installation company was already closed. Since my appointment was scheduled for early appointment the next day, it was too early for me to call them in attempt to consolidate the appointments.

A few days later, a second installer showed up with my second HD DVR.

ironwood
06-25-08, 12:12 PM
My advice - dont ask for extra credits. You will be sorry.

Elephanthead
06-25-08, 02:02 PM
Waiting for post a month from now when his credits get canceled.