My 1080P experience on Dish, VOD rental I Am Legend

[810DVR]

Been waiting patiently (oh let's be honest, impatiently) for the 1080P movie to show up on Channel 501 since Aug. 1. It showed up for me yesterday.

When ordering, it says your screen will go blank for up to 15 seconds while compatibility test of your TV is done to confirm you can play 1080P but mine only took about 2 seconds before it came back up.

I Am Legend in 1080P is a 24 hour rental, costs $2.99 for the month of August.

Picture looked great, as you would expect. My understanding is it's 1080P at 24 fps, or 1080P24.

I really can't say how much better it was than a 1080i broadcast, not without comparing the same movie in 1080i side by side.

Note: Don't be dismayed at the very beginning of the movie if you've never seen it before. I Am Legend has a brief intro of a little over a minute where it's in letterbox, and intentionally bad quality, just a conscious choice by the director in how he wanted to shoot that scene. It gets into the 1080P fairly quickly.

[kucharsk]

Wait, are you saying only the beginning of the movie is letterboxed?

If so that's quite disappointing and should be a warning to anyone considering "renting" it as its theatrical aspect ratio was 2.35:1 (and is presented on Blu-Ray as such.)

[810DVR]

Wait, are you saying only the beginning of the movie is letterboxed?

If so that's disappointing and should be a warning to anyone considering "renting" it as its theatrical aspect ratio was 2.35:1.

Sorry if what I wrote was confusing. Yes, it's just one scene at the very beginning of the movie that is letterboxed-- and that scene looked crummy in the theater too -- it's intentional, that's just the way the director shot that one particular scene with Emma Thompson and made it to look like it's from a TV interview. If you see I Am Legend or have seen it, you'll know what I'm talking about.

Bottom line -- the movie is in 1080P, it filled up my 46" screen, and it looked good.

[Brewsta]

Bottom line -- the movie is in 1080P, it filled up my 46" screen, and it looked good.

Then it's being cropped from the 2.35:1 ratio it was exhibited in theatrically. It should be slightly letterboxed, even on a 16:9 TV.

[810DVR]

Then it's being cropped from the 2.35:1 ratio it was exhibited in theatrically. It should be slightly letterboxed, even on a 16:9 TV.

My apologies, I misunderstood the orifinal question. I have my TV set to the Panoramic setting. When putting it to Normal, it does display slightly letterboxed but, if I had to guess, I don't think it's 2.35:1, couldn't say for sure.

[tcatdbs]

How long did the download take? I just downloaded a free 4 minute deal on the CA Redwoods and it took 11 minutes in crummy SD quality.

[patmurphey]

How long did the download take? I just downloaded a free 4 minute deal on the CA Redwoods and it took 11 minutes in crummy SD quality.


Read your other threads.

[tcatdbs]

My bad... only had Dish a week and still learning what does what.

[Taco Lover]

My bad... only had Dish a week and still learning what does what.
Don't pay attention to that other guy. If he doesn't want to help, then oh well.

The VoD movies and such are automatically downloaded to your receiver's HDD. They do not go towards your total recorded hours available. When you order one, it basically unlocks the download, ready to go. Not really "video-on-demand", but you get the idea.

[smackman]

Been waiting patiently (oh let's be honest, impatiently) for the 1080P movie to show up on Channel 501 since Aug. 1. It showed up for me yesterday.

When ordering, it says your screen will go blank for up to 15 seconds while compatibility test of your TV is done to confirm you can play 1080P but mine only took about 2 seconds before it came back up.

I Am Legend in 1080P is a 24 hour rental, costs $2.99 for the month of August.

Picture looked great, as you would expect. My understanding is it's 1080P at 24 fps, or 1080P24.

I really can't say how much better it was than a 1080i broadcast, not without comparing the same movie in 1080i side by side.

Note: Don't be dismayed at the very beginning of the movie if you've never seen it before. I Am Legend has a brief intro of a little over a minute where it's in letterbox, and intentionally bad quality, just a conscious choice by the director in how he wanted to shoot that scene. It gets into the 1080P fairly quickly.

Their is minimal difference in PQ between 1080p and 1080i.
I will not go into the necessity of a properly calibrated RPTV 1080i and a fix pixel being 720p or 1080p. Some take this "personal".
As I have stated before, I will put my 55" CRT RPTV(1080i input) PQ up against any Television of same size or bigger under 4000 dollars.

[smackman]

Read your other threads.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Chill dude; Not all are as "brillant" as you.
:backtotop

[810DVR]

How long did the download take? I just downloaded a free 4 minute deal on the CA Redwoods and it took 11 minutes in crummy SD quality.

hey tcatdbs, it worked as advertised, started up immediately with no wait time. Cheers.

[phrelin]

My 1080P experience on Dish, VOD rental I Am LegendThanks for the report. I've been curious. I assume you have an HDMI connection?

[810DVR]

Thanks for the report. I've been curious. I assume you have an HDMI connection?

Yes, HDMI connection.

[Jason Nipp]

You will not be allowed to send 1080p over anything but HDMI because of HDCP and our friends that enforced and demanded DRM.

[tcatdbs]

What happens when you hit "record" when playing a VOD movie?

[Nick]

What happens when you hit "record" when playing a VOD movie?
Shortly, you will hear the whup-whup-whup of a decending
helicopter, then a firm rap-rap-rap on your door! Don't worry,
it's only the government and they're just coming to help you
obey the law... :eek:

[tnsprin]

What happens when you hit "record" when playing a VOD movie?
After 24 hours you cannot view the movie.

[tcatdbs]

OK... I was hoping you could put it on the DVR. You can't do anything with it except view it on that, so no laws are broken... you can record all the premium channel movies. Makes no sense to me, but that's the way it is.

[Jeff_DML]

810DVR, does you know for sure that your TV support 24p input and did you verify it was really 24p not 60p?

[P Smith]

810DVR, what the size of a file with the movie ?

[810DVR]

What happens when you hit "record" when playing a VOD movie?

No go on trying to save to your DVR. It displays "You are currently playing back a Video on Demand Event" .... which I believe is code for "yeah nice try monkey boy."

[810DVR]

810DVR, does you know for sure that your TV support 24p input and did you verify it was really 24p not 60p?

I'd have to check the specs on my tv but my understanding that they were in 24p was based on some articles I had read. Here's one of those:

Excerpt: "That's because the version of 1080p in question here uses only 24 frames per second. "Further out on the horizon is true 1080p - 50 or 60 frames per second," Lattie said."

Link: http://www.cable360.net/features360/ct/30976.html

[810DVR]

810DVR, what the size of a file with the movie ?

No idea, unfortunately, it doesn't display that anywhere that I can see.

[Jeff_DML]

I'd have to check the specs on my tv but my understanding that they were in 24p was based on some articles I had read. Here's one of those:

Excerpt: "That's because the version of 1080p in question here uses only 24 frames per second. "Further out on the horizon is true 1080p - 50 or 60 frames per second," Lattie said."

Link: http://www.cable360.net/features360/ct/30976.html


yeah they are encoded as 24p but I am guessing the HDMI output it at 60fps.

If your tv supports a refresh rate in multiples of 24fps(such as new sony 120hz lcds and pioneer kuro 72hz) then it would be ideal for the HDMI to be outputting 24fps.

[koralis]

So, even though your Dish is set to 720p or 1080i, when you watch a 1080p movie it actually displays in 1080p instead of converting it?

[Jason Nipp]

So, even though your Dish is set to 720p or 1080i, when you watch a 1080p movie it actually displays in 1080p instead of converting it?
Correct.

[Jason Nipp]

810DVR, does you know for sure that your TV support 24p input and did you verify it was really 24p not 60p?
The VOD event is 1080p/24, same as Blu Ray IIRC.

[P Smith]

No idea, unfortunately, it doesn't display that anywhere that I can see.

I have seen programs what could reveal the size, but it will require open a cover and you should do hot swap of SATA cable and connect it to PC.

[810DVR]

yeah they are encoded as 24p but I am guessing the HDMI output it at 60fps.

If your tv supports a refresh rate in multiples of 24fps(such as new sony 120hz lcds and pioneer kuro 72hz) then it would be ideal for the HDMI to be outputting 24fps.

All I could find was that it says it supports 1080p at 24, 30 and 60 fps. You know more than I on this, does that mean the HDMI is outputting at 60..........or is that just not something that can be determined from it saying it "supports" at 24, 30 and 60.

[810DVR]

I have seen programs what could reveal the size, but it will require open a cover and you should do hot swap of SATA cable and connect it to PC.

I probably don't want to know that badly. Besides, if I ever open it up the first thing I'm doing is hooking it up to my juicer and seeing if I can build my own space shuttle engine. (yeah I don't know either. sounded much funnier in my head)

[P Smith]

I have feeling you're MS programmer. :D

[tcatdbs]

Where will Legend show up? I have all my PPV channels locked. I believe it's under the "Dish" button, but if I find it there, do I need to unlock 501?

[CoolGui]

lol, I'm tired of hearing about the "Properly Calibrated RPT against blah blah blah"

Well my TV doesn't even support 1080p, I max out at 1080i but I figured the quality would still be better than the "HD Lite" that is the normal dish broadcast... Not that I'm complaining that much, but I've seen Blu-Ray and HD-DVD playing in the stores and the video looks very realistic for some reason, almost hyper realistic? Even more so than on film. Are these 1080p/60 sets I've seen?

[kucharsk]

lol, I'm tired of hearing about the "Properly Calibrated RPT against blah blah blah"

Well my TV doesn't even support 1080p, I max out at 1080i but I figured the quality would still be better than the "HD Lite" that is the normal dish broadcast... Not that I'm complaining that much, but I've seen Blu-Ray and HD-DVD playing in the stores and the video looks very realistic for some reason, almost hyper realistic? Even more so than on film. Are these 1080p/60 sets I've seen?

You've most likely seen 120 Hz refresh LCD sets.

They smooth the motion to avoid the picture "jitter" due to horizontal motion that is an artifact of LCD displays, but the downside is it smoothes the motion so much film looks like HD video.

[Hound]

My 1080P TVs are Panasonic plasmas that only support 60 frames.

Does anyone know for sure whether channel 501 will display 1080P on TVs
that only display 60 fps?

My first blue ray player was the LG multi player that only supported 24 fps. It would not output 1080P on my TV set. I did not get 1080P until I bought
a Panasonic blu ray player
that output at 24 or 60 fps.

I was thinking of playing channel 501 and watching
the movie in blu ray on side by side TVs for comparison.

[tcatdbs]

I also have a 42 and 50" Panny Plasma and wonder if anyone has watched Legend on one. Still don't see Legend at 501 (have software and 5 other SD titles for 3 days). Watched a Starz OnDemand last night (Daddy Day Camp), could only stand it for 10 minutes, PQ was terrible (as was movie). I guess you have to pay to get decent quality.

Edit: OK I looked at my Panny specs "1080 input signal that can be displayed":
1,125 (1,080) /60i Hor Freq. 33.75 Vert Freq. 59.94
1,125 (1,080) /60p Hor Freq. 67.43 Vert Freq. 59.94
1,125 (1,080) /60p Hor Freq. 67.50 Vert Freq. 60.00

Doesn't look promising for 24fps... but then I have no clue if "fps" is related to "hz"

[Jason Nipp]

My 1080P TVs are Panasonic plasmas that only support 60 frames.

Does anyone know for sure whether channel 501 will display 1080P on TVs
that only display 60 fps?

My first blue ray player was the LG multi player that only supported 24 fps. It would not output 1080P on my TV set. I did not get 1080P until I bought
a Panasonic blu ray player
that output at 24 or 60 fps.

I was thinking of playing channel 501 and watching
the movie in blu ray on side by side TVs for comparison.
I don't claim to know everything, but if your display couldn't display anthing but 60fps I do not believe you'd be watching much of anything in 1080p.

Blu Ray is only 24 fps, at least at current.

[tcatdbs]

So Dish is making a huge deal out of this Turbo launch and 1080P... and there's only 1 movie, and maybe 10% of the TV's in the world can watch it... I'm sure they're be more movies, but not a lot of folks upgrading their already high dollar Plasmas. You can rent a lot of BB or Netflix movies for the cost of that upgrade! (cheaper and a lot quicker too.)

[Bobby H]

Blu Ray is only 24 fps, at least at current.

Just to clarify, Hollywood movies are filmed at 24fps and encoded on Blu-ray at 24fps instead of the usual 3:2 pulldown 30fps method seen in other formats and broadcasts.

Blu-ray can show 30fps and even 60fps material if the video or film was produced at that frame rate.

No video footage is shot at 1080p/60 though. There's 1080p/30 and 720p/60. Perhaps we might see video cameras originating stuff at 1080p/60 before too long. For now, things like video games are about all you will get in 1080p/60.

[tcatdbs]

Yeah, I'm willing to bet Legend will play on my Plasma... but be nice to see feedback on who has actually watched it, once they get it (in 1080p), and on what set.

[MarkoC]

This is supposed to show up on one of the 501 listings correct? I still don't see it there.

[fmcomputer]

I would like to watch it just to see what it looks like, but I do not see it listed on 501. Do you have to have a special package..

[tcatdbs]

"Should" be there if you got the 6.10 software upgrade, but doesn't seem to be on many. Guess we just need to be patient.

[Taco Lover]

I got the 6.10 monday night and I Am Legend did not show up until Wednesday morning.

[CoolGui]

Someone said earlier it wasn't supposed to show up until August 9th.... But it sounds like some people are getting it now. I've already seen the movie in the theater, but it would be nice to watch it this weekend.

[P Smith]

I got the 6.10 monday night and I Am Legend did not show up until Wednesday morning.
Could be the time to download the movie is two days ? Exclude your watching time.

[razorbackfan]

What's channel 501? I don't have that.

[P Smith]

Could someone press Info button on his HDTV set while Dish ViP 722 testing it for 1080p or during play the movie ? What resolution and freq used ?

[tcatdbs]

Still 5 HD movies at 501, no I am Legend. After 4 days with "Turbo"... what GREAT upgrade!

[eudoxia]

I have software v 6.10 but still no sign of "I Am Legend". Is it a decent film? I got a 1080p plasma and can't wait to see the picture.

Just curious, do those who have the movie have an ethernet connection?

Thanks,
jen

[Jeff_DML]

Still 5 HD movies at 501, no I am Legend. After 4 days with "Turbo"... what GREAT upgrade!

same here

[722921]

Mine only shows one movie at 501...what's up with that?

[Taco Lover]

Just curious, do those who have the movie have an ethernet connection?

Thanks,
jen
For what? I have the movie listed, but not ethernet connection. If you're wondering, the movie is not pushed over the Interwebs, it is recorded from the sat feed into a special VOD section of the 622/722's HDD.

[tcatdbs]

OK, received I am Legend last night... my TV Panny (50PX600U) is NOT compatable, so I didn't bother renting it. So if your TV is a 1280x768 TV, even thought it is 1080p "compatable", it will not work with 1080p "Turbo". So don't get too excited about "TURBO" unless you have a native 1080P TV.

Think I'll restart my BB account, makes it cheaper and upressed to 1080p, should be as good.

[bug drvr]

loooooong time lurker, first post ...

I have a 50in Samsung 5054 which is 720P and a VIP 722 updated with the "Turbo" 610 software. I watched "The Bucket List" from VOD last nite with no problems. The picture was as good as what I used to see on my HD-DVD (yes, I chose the loosing team and have yet joined the winners) but the sound was only DD 5.0 (my 722 runs through my Pioneer VSX-94TXH).

My opinion is Dish's 'TurboHD' VOD slogan of "Same as Blu-Ray Disc quality" is a half truth because while the picture is great, the sound doesn't touch what you can get off of a blu-ray disk with a suitable audio system.

frank

[pauly]

I have software v 6.10 but still no sign of "I Am Legend". Is it a decent film? I got a 1080p plasma and can't wait to see the picture.

Just curious, do those who have the movie have an ethernet connection?

Thanks,
jen

Exact same for me... have the 6.10, but don't see "I am Legend" 1080p version anywhere for $1.99. I want to give it a try, I have a 1080p Sharp Aquos, but 722 not connected to broadband yet.

[patmurphey]

Exact same for me... have the 6.10, but don't see "I am Legend" 1080p version anywhere for $1.99. I want to give it a try, I have a 1080p Sharp Aquos, but 722 not connected to broadband yet.


Nothing to do with broadband - Please read the thread form the beginning.

[rwalsh]

Could someone press Info button on his HDTV set while Dish ViP 722 testing it for 1080p or during play the movie ? What resolution and freq used ?

Samsung LN-T5265f- When pressing Info i get 1920 X 1080p
H Freq. 27 kHz
V Freq. 24 Hz

[bill-e]

Please excuse my ignorance. I have a 1080i Sony RP set. If I rented the 1080p movie would I notice any difference? I'm assuming not but I gotta ask.

[rwalsh]

Please excuse my ignorance. I have a 1080i Sony RP set. If I rented the 1080p movie would I notice any difference? I'm assuming not but I gotta ask.

I did not see any difference on my 52" Samsung(LN-T5265F). Maybe a Movie with more Scenery would look better.

[tcatdbs]

I'm waiting for someone with a 768/720 TV to test the 1080p Legend. Even though the TV Test says "not compatable", I'm wondering if it will play at 1080i. I'll rent it for $2.99, it does show that price. Legend didn't show up for 4 days after my software upgraded. I may try it tonight...

Odd the Bucket List wasn't 5.1, I'd ask for my money back on that one. If they're going to charge $4.99-$6.99 for a movie it should be AT LEAST as good as a DVD.

[bug drvr]

typo ... it was DD5.1

i have 11 movies to select from VOD, none of which is Legend

frank

I'm waiting for someone with a 768/720 TV to test the 1080p Legend. Even though the TV Test says "not compatable", I'm wondering if it will play at 1080i. I'll rent it for $2.99, it does show that price. Legend didn't show up for 4 days after my software upgraded. I may try it tonight...

Odd the Bucket List wasn't 5.1, I'd ask for my money back on that one. If they're going to charge $4.99-$6.99 for a movie it should be AT LEAST as good as a DVD.

[Stewart Vernon]

I have a 50in Samsung 5054 which is 720P and a VIP 722 updated with the "Turbo" 610 software. I watched "The Bucket List" from VOD last nite with no problems. The picture was as good as what I used to see on my HD-DVD (yes, I chose the loosing team and have yet joined the winners) but the sound was only DD 5.0 (my 722 runs through my Pioneer VSX-94TXH).

My opinion is Dish's 'TurboHD' VOD slogan of "Same as Blu-Ray Disc quality" is a half truth because while the picture is great, the sound doesn't touch what you can get off of a blu-ray disk with a suitable audio system.

Only "I Am Legend" is available in 1080p via VOD. No other movie is in 1080p via Dish VOD right now... so unless you watch that specific movie you can't actually offer an honest opinion.

I can't watch the movie myself (no HDMI nor a 501 channel nor the latest software)... so I can only speculate on what might or might not be better about it.

[pauly]

Nothing to do with broadband - Please read the thread form the beginning.

Thanks! I have read the entire thread from the beginning. I am aware it has nothing to do with broadband, I was just mentioning that and looking for responses from people who actually had some ideas. Thanks though!

[Bobby H]

I think it's kind of funny that no one with a true 1920 X 1080 native resolution TV capable of true 1080p playback has posted results on the 1080p rental. Maybe the ones who do own true 1080p televisions already opted to rent the Blu-ray Disc instead.

I'm thinking about renting I Am Legend just out of the curiosity factor. Already watched it on Blu-ray. If no one else bothers, I'll check it out and see how it looks. I have a ViP722 connected to a 52" Sony Bravia XBR4 television.

[bug drvr]

your right man, without doing much research on it, I just assumed because Dish says "DISH Network presents groundbreaking technology with Video on Demand (VOD) in 1080p" that all of the VOD movies were 1080P. I went back and looked and saw Legend was now available on my guide and it had 1080P next to the title; none of the other 10 movies available had that in the title.

I was unable to rent "Legend"; my TV said "not supported mode". I'd like to know what audio the TurboHD VOD 1080P supports.

frank

Only "I Am Legend" is available in 1080p via VOD. No other movie is in 1080p via Dish VOD right now... so unless you watch that specific movie you can't actually offer an honest opinion.

I can't watch the movie myself (no HDMI nor a 501 channel nor the latest software)... so I can only speculate on what might or might not be better about it.

[Stewart Vernon]

your right man, without doing much research on it, I just assumed because Dish says "DISH Network presents groundbreaking technology with Video on Demand (VOD) in 1080p" that all of the VOD movies were 1080P. I went back and looked and saw Legend was now available on my guide and it had 1080P next to the title; none of the other 10 movies available had that in the title.

I was unable to rent "Legend"; my TV said "not supported mode". I'd like to know what audio the TurboHD VOD 1080P supports.

For all I know it will be a let-down to view "Legend" as well... but there hasn't been a lot of folk posting about being able to rent it AND having a 1080p TV so not much to go on. My suspicion is that the 1080i vs 1080p thing will prove not to make a difference, but I am hoping they are sending a less-compressed file so that video quality is better than typical. I know the sound isn't likely to be the same as Blu ray, so that "experience" is going to be harder to equal for the die-hards with the super sound systems.

[Taco Lover]

I think it's kind of funny that no one with a true 1920 X 1080 native resolution TV capable of true 1080p playback has posted results on the 1080p rental. Maybe the ones who do own true 1080p televisions already opted to rent the Blu-ray Disc instead.

I'm thinking about renting I Am Legend just out of the curiosity factor. Already watched it on Blu-ray. If no one else bothers, I'll check it out and see how it looks. I have a ViP722 connected to a 52" Sony Bravia XBR4 television.
I've got a 1080p display, but I've seen I Am Legend already. I would rent it just to see what it's like, but I hardly get a chance to view TV without the kids around. Even if I did, I don't have (or have seen enough of) Blu-Ray to make an accurate comparison. I'm afraid it just may be a better picture experience over regular HD movies. That's it.

[DodgerKing]

A related question:

With the new software update you got to allow the receiver to send out a 1080p signal are you able to use the 1080p setting all of the time or is it just for this particular VOD?

[DodgerKing]

I've got a 1080p display, but I've seen I Am Legend already. I would rent it just to see what it's like, but I hardly get a chance to view TV without the kids around. Even if I did, I don't have (or have seen enough of) Blu-Ray to make an accurate comparison. I'm afraid it just may be a better picture experience over regular HD movies. That's it.

HD-DVD and BR have exactly the same PQ.

[kal915]

HD-DVD and BR have exactly the same PQ.

I think he was referring to movies in HD on Dish;)

[DodgerKing]

I think he was referring to movies in HD on Dish;)

You are correct. Ignore that last post.

[phrelin]

Boy, if this thread is any indication, the rollout of 1080p VOD hasn't exactly been a huge success so far.

[grog]

I would not go that far and say it was not a success.

Dish customer has neighbor visit.

Hey look at my Dish setup. I get 1080p... Customer shows neighbor TVLand and Game Show Network on his 26" Westinghouse 480i LCD set.

Neighbor comments on how much better Dish looks compared to his cable setup.

Neighbor's TV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcBiGttE_As&feature=related
:lol:

Boy, if this thread is any indication, the rollout of 1080p VOD hasn't exactly been a huge success so far.

[Jim5506]

A related question:

With the new software update you got to allow the receiver to send out a 1080p signal are you able to use the 1080p setting all of the time or is it just for this particular VOD?

1080p only on VOD material. It kicks in automatically when the receiver plays a 1080p movie and senses (through HDMI) you have a 1080p capable display.

[rwalsh]

Weird Hdmi test when watching "I am Legend" on my 722 and Samsung 5265F. The test showed a Video Format of 1250i at 50Hz. . Normally the Test shows a Video Format of 1080i which I have my 722 set to.

[eudoxia]

Anyone with the 722 still waiting for I Am Legend in 1080p? Still shows Ruins on my VOD guide at 501. :(

[jclewter79]

Still waiting too, I only have Tyler Perry's meet the Browns on my ch. 501 VOD list.

[P Smith]

Weird Hdmi test when watching "I am Legend" on my 722 and Samsung 5265F. The test showed a Video Format of 1250i at 50Hz. . Normally the Test shows a Video Format of 1080i which I have my 722 set to.
Your numbers are something :D.
First was 1900x1080 now the 1250i 50 Hz ... Is it 722 report that ? Can you post a snapshot(s) of 722 HDMI tests anfd the HDTVinfo too ?

[ICBM99]

I had I am Legend (1080p) on 501 on Saturday when I checked, but didn't have the time to actually check it out. There were also several others listed on 501 VOD.

[ZBoomer]

Boy, if this thread is any indication, the rollout of 1080p VOD hasn't exactly been a huge success so far.

I think it's a farce. I keep seeing these commercials all over the place, including dedicated channels on my receiver, that I have been "Turbocharged" and can view 1080p VOD, but I don't have jack.

(and yes, I have a 1080p capable TV)

I'm getting kinda tired of the propoganda, and nothing to back it up.

Some of the new HD channels look pretty good, I'll give them that.

[patmurphey]

Why don't you guys save your complaints until the roll-out is finished. Maybe you will be surprised.

[tcatdbs]

I'll be surprized if 1080P stays at $2.99... sure would like to know what happens if you click "yes" after it says your TV is not compatable. Will it play in 1080i? I'd rent it in 1080i for $2.99 (but surely not for $4.99, it's in their SD movies list at that price). If they end up at $6.99 like all the other HD (or $7.99 or $8.99 which would seem logical to their current structure), then it is a farce. It is also a farce if they play on ONLY 1080P TV's, they should at least play on 1080P compatable TV's. Now if they were able to "upconvert" to 1080P on all HD channels, that would make "Turbocharged" worth something. My DVD player can do it, why not the VIP722?

[rwalsh]

Your numbers are something :D.
First was 1900x1080 now the 1250i 50 Hz ... Is it 722 report that ? Can you post a snapshot(s) of 722 HDMI tests and the HDTVinfo too ?

1.When hitting the Samsung Remote Info button while watching "I Am Legend" on my LN-T5265 i saw the following: 1920 X 1080P ( 1900 was a typo)
H Freq: 27Khz
V Freq: 24Hz

2. When doing this watching normal HD with My 722 set at 1080i, the following is seen: 1920 X 108I
H Freq. 33Khz
V. Freq. 60Hz

3. I an not planning to pay to watch " I am Legend" again, But when doing the HDMI test I did see the Video Format: 1250I 50Hz. A normal HDMI test watching normal HD Just shows the video format at 1080I.

[paja]

Why don't you guys save your complaints until the roll-out is finished. Maybe you will be surprised.

It is hard to optomistic when dealing with a company that spits out lies and csr's that don't even know what is going on. Last week, I get an e-mail,"You will be able to view(with my 622) channel 501 on 8-7-08 at 12:00am." 8-7 comes , no 501. Call up. The first csr didn't even know anything about 501 or 1080p-NOTHING! Long story-finally end up in tech and a guy there told me I would get 501 on 8-11. 8-11 comes. Guess what?? Yes-NO 501. Call back again. Two csr's that know next to nothing about the whole thing. Finally get a super who says I should have been told THE WEEK OF 8-11. After some persistent complaining(just so happens my 18 month comm. is up 8-10-08) I was given three months free HD(3 $20 credits) for this VOD ,501, 1080P debacle.

Wait till they find out what they have to do to keep my $138 a month. I haven't even got started on that yet.:rolleyes: :hurah:

[P Smith]

1.When hitting the Samsung Remote Info button while watching "I Am Legend" on my LN-T5265 i saw the following: 1920 X 1080P ( 1900 was a typo)
H Freq: 27Khz
V Freq: 24Hz

2. When doing this watching normal HD with My 722 set at 1080i, the following is seen: 1920 X 108I
H Freq. 33Khz
V. Freq. 60Hz

3. I an not planning to pay to watch " I am Legend" again, But when doing the HDMI test I did see the Video Format: 1250I 50Hz. A normal HDMI test watching normal HD Just shows the video format at 1080I.

Thanks for conforming the info; that "1250i 50Hz" is still a mystery - could be a bug in your Sammy FW.

If you could willing to check the movie's file size. Umm.

[tcatdbs]

I'm going to bite the bullet tonight and try my $3.00 on Legend (even though I only have a 1080p "compatable" TV). I got the "your TV is not compatable" message, but it does give you the option to click "yes" to watch it, so I'll try that tonight. I'm interested to see what my Panny info says, "1080i" or "1080p". It does show "1080p" when getting an upconverted DVD input.

[P Smith]

In case if your HDTV set have DVI or/and HD15 (VGA) connector - connect it to your PC and run EDID Viewer (http://www.eldim.fr/products/display-controller/fpdlite/edidviewer.zip), then post result here.

[jbjsm]

Why don't you guys save your complaints until the roll-out is finished. Maybe you will be surprised.

I also have a 1080P capable TV and two VIP622"s that have been "Turbocharged". They're still at software version L512 and channel 510 does not show up on either of them. Considering the rollout is 12 days old and that I'm being bombarded with email and video adverts trumpeting Dishs's new "Turbocharged HD experience", I find it disconcerting that I haven't received the update. Don't tell me to wait patiently when Dish has the nerve to tell me they've upgraded my service and hasn't!

[Charise]

I live in the Midwest, so I guess I'm more patient about all this stuff than many of you. We never seem to get anything when it's first out. :)

I think I probably have one of the first leased 622s, but I am still on L512 also, so the date of the lease apparently is no indicator of when you'll receive the update--unless they still haven't sent it to the 622s?? Anyone with a 622 have the new software?

With watching this week of the Olympics though, I wouldn't have had time to watch I am Legend anyway. :D

[Taco Lover]

I also have a 1080P capable TV and two VIP622"s that have been "Turbocharged". They're still at software version L512 and channel 510 does not show up on either of them. Considering the rollout is 12 days old and that I'm being bombarded with email and video adverts trumpeting Dishs's new "Turbocharged HD experience", I find it disconcerting that I haven't received the update. Don't tell me to wait patiently when Dish has the nerve to tell me they've upgraded my service and hasn't!
As I mentioned in your other post... does your standby screen actually say "turbocharged"? I don't think you can be turbocharged and still be on 5.12.

[CoolGui]

OK, received I am Legend last night... my TV Panny (50PX600U) is NOT compatable, so I didn't bother renting it. So if your TV is a 1280x768 TV, even thought it is 1080p "compatable", it will not work with 1080p "Turbo". So don't get too excited about "TURBO" unless you have a native 1080P TV.

Are you sure that 50PX600U supports 1080p?? Are you also sure you'd be able to notice the difference if it is/was?? :)

I was curious to see it 1) because the rental was so cheap 2) because I was hoping to see if Dish broadcast it with less compression...

I still haven't gotten the stupid thing! I've seen "Turbo Charged" for over a week, I see "Fools Gold", "Ruins" and "10,000 BC" still on 501, but no "I Am Legend" at all. What gives? They don't want me to get it for 2.99 because I'm on the HD Absolute pack?! :P

[tcatdbs]

I don't guess I would be able to see any difference in "I" or "P"; when I change my OPPO 980 player from upconverted 1080i to 1080p I see no difference, but my 50PX600U does change from 1080i to 1080p as it's input signal. My TV manual does say it is 1080P compatable, but not at 24 or 30 fps, so I question what will happen when I try viewing the 1080P movie (I'm hoping it will play in 1080i). Will know in about 3 or 4 hours... if it doesn't play, I figure I can call, wait on hold 30-60 minutes, and get my $3 back.

OK, I just started watching Legend on my 50PX600U, PQ is great, works fine on a non-1080P TV, TV says it's receiving 1080i input. Did say it's coming from Channel 501, so I assume it's still $2.99. I am also recording it on my Panny E80H DVD recorder, which I have before my 4:3 TV2. Seems to be working. Only "problem" is in "Single mode", you need to "stretch" the image to have it the right aspect on TV2 (which cuts the sides off). I have tested the stretch going into the recorder, and it is outputting the correct aspect (4:3), so nothing looks squished or stretched. So the image does look stretched on TV1 (50" Plasma), and normal on TV2 as recorded (in 480i). I'll be watching it again later tonight in normal mode on TV1 with HT sound on. So far I am very happy with PQ on TV1 (as good as any other good HD HBO or Starz movie). Kind of pointless test, since I'll NEVER rent anything over $2.99, and I doubt Dish will ever have any movies in HD for that price again... But I haven't seen Legend yet, so not entirely pointless.

OK, just figured out how to record VOD in Dual mode, so that Letterbox is available. Once you rent a movie (Legend), you can access it from TV2 in Dual mode (acts just like a DVR recording, except you access it at channel 501). So I am re-recording it onto my E80H in letterbox mode so the sides are not cut off (will have normal upper and lower black bars on 4:3 TV2). My 4:3 recording looks good, I'm sure the letterbox version will also look good (at least as ggod as anything on TV2). I'll burn a DVD tomorrow and let you know what it looks like though my OPPO 980 on TV1 (I don't expect it to look nearly as good... but should be as good as a VHS of Legend...). Pretty sure it won't play back well on a 16:9 TV (will be likely wrong aspect that will need to be stretched or zoomed), but will see tomorrow.

[razorbackfan]

I noticed the software upgrade this morning on my 622 and have the 501 VOD channels and the YOU'VE BEEN TURBO CHARGED! screensaver. ONE channel in HD showing I Am Legend (UGH) 1080p, and 15 channels with movies in SD. Why can't Dish add all the VOD channels in HD? .

[Taco Lover]

I noticed the software upgrade this morning on my 622 and have the 501 VOD channels and the YOU'VE BEEN TURBO CHARGED! screensaver. ONE channel in HD showing I Am Legend (UGH) 1080p, and 15 channels with movies in SD. Why can't Dish add all the VOD channels in HD? .
There are more HD VOD channels, they take time to show up for some reason. When I first got the upgrade, I had 6 HD VOD channels, but none of them was I Am Legend—that didn't show up for 3 days. Go figure. There's no rhyme or reason to how they roll it out to people.

[Jeff_DML]

Are you sure that 50PX600U supports 1080p?? Are you also sure you'd be able to notice the difference if it is/was?? :)

I was curious to see it 1) because the rental was so cheap 2) because I was hoping to see if Dish broadcast it with less compression...

I still haven't gotten the stupid thing! I've seen "Turbo Charged" for over a week, I see "Fools Gold", "Ruins" and "10,000 BC" still on 501, but no "I Am Legend" at all. What gives? They don't want me to get it for 2.99 because I'm on the HD Absolute pack?! :P

hmmm...I also have absolute and still havent gotten I am legend, been turbocharged for over the week.

[phrelin]

hmmm...I also have absolute and still havent gotten I am legend, been turbocharged for over the week.Even though my 722 was "Turbocharged" as of the morning of July 31 in the limited early roll-out, it still took three days to get the full Ch 501 offering. So don't jump to a conclusion about Absolute yet.

Nonetheless, I am a SilverHD customer. Does your August billing show the word "turbo"? Mine has two large paragraphs one of which reads: DISH Network has Turbo-charged your HD! As an HD customer you had TurboHD technology automatically downloaded to your HD receiver on 8/1! This new HD features state-of-the-art technology including 1080p Video On Demand - same as BluRay Disc quality and the BEST HD DVR - plus 100 National HD channels and up to 150 this year! Enjoy your Turbo-charged HD!

[mikeinaustin]

i also have been turbocharged since day 1, every night i see 4-8 501 channels available. i am legend has never appeared as one of those though.

[dmspen]

DO any of you with 1080p VOD have a video processor or hdmi a/v receiver in line? I'm wondering how the "1080 compatability check" will work with equipment other than a TV.

[722921]

Ch 501 has disappeared from my listings now...

[Manke]

OK, received I am Legend last night... my TV Panny (50PX600U) is NOT compatable, so I didn't bother renting it. So if your TV is a 1280x768 TV, even thought it is 1080p "compatable", it will not work with 1080p "Turbo". So don't get too excited about "TURBO" unless you have a native 1080P TV.


I have a Panasonic TH-50PZ700U and it only supports 1080/60p. The "I am Legend" displays but does not fill the screen. The complete image is showing but it displays in the upper left hand corner with a 4 inch blank band at the bottom and on the right side.:confused:

The set shows that it is in 1080p and it passes the 622's compatibility test at the start of the movie.

I had an DVDHD (Don't Laugh) and it displayed correctly?

Anyone having this problem and is it just a 60p issue?

[tcatdbs]

Did you get the "does not support" error? My 1080i/60 filled the screen, but it shows to be 1080i, not 1080p (since mine failed the test). Strange that the movie is already on your HD, and it will send "P" or "I" depending on if you pass the test or not.

[HiDefRev]

Yes, I had the same problem when I rented it last night. Now I'm wondering if it is a Panny problem rather than a Dish problem. My TV is 1080p, and the info bar confirmed that the input signal was 1080p. I could switch the resolution on my 722 to 1080i and the picture was perfect. I tried EVERYTHING - resets, unplugging, all menu items, etc. to no avail. I called Dish, and they told me they would work on this, as they think it may be a bug in the 610 software.

[Jeff_DML]

you guys have it on just scan/dot by dot or whatever panasonic calls it? maybe they are sending hdlite so we no overscan you get black bars.

anybody else get this with other tv brand?

[tnsprin]

OK... I was hoping you could put it on the DVR. You can't do anything with it except view it on that, so no laws are broken... you can record all the premium channel movies. Makes no sense to me, but that's the way it is.

Actually it is already on the DVR. You are paying to be allowed to view it.

[tcatdbs]

Yes, but you do pay to view it, so it should end up in the "My Recordings" section until you erase it. They give to 24 hours and it's gone... If they're going to charge $6.99 per movie, you should be able to keep it as long as you want, or archive it to EHD, otherwise they should all be $1.99. They'd probably rent a LOT more HD movies if it ended up in your recorded DVR section! (would also take space off whereever they're storing them)

Actually it is already on the DVR. You are paying to be allowed to view it.

[Manke]

you guys have it on just scan/dot by dot or whatever panasonic calls it? maybe they are sending hdlite so we no overscan you get black bars.

I am sorry Jeff but I do not understand what you are telling us?

[razorbackfan]

After watching I Am Legend, I am very impressed with the PQ on my Panny 50" plasma. Too bad Dish couldn't have chosen a better movie.

[tcatdbs]

I was happy on my Panny, but it was 1080i. Maybe they don't know what 1080p is....

After watching I Am Legend, I am very impressed with the PQ on my Panny 50" plasma. Too bad Dish couldn't have chosen a better movie.

[Hound]

Channel 501 has not shown up. HD Absolute sub. I have side by side Panasonic 1080P/60 plasmas. I was hoping to do a side by side with a
Blu Ray Disc.

[fredp]

Channel 501 has not shown up. HD Absolute sub. I have side by side Panasonic 1080P/60 plasmas. I was hoping to do a side by side with a
Blu Ray Disc.
Gees must be nice to have two of them! :D Please do report what you see as this would be a great test. I'm an owner of a 700U Panny myself!

[P Smith]

Ch 501 is not 'a channel' - it's just different way to show VOD movie's list from your disk. Also check signal level on tp 16 @ 110W, that tpn using for spool the movies; the 1080p movie required 3 hrs for download it. Last time it was done between 1:30 am CT and 4:30am CT.

[paja]

I'm finally TURBOCHARGED. Got the VOD 501 channels on my 622 when I turned the set on his morning. I'm going to try one out tonight:)

[dennispap]

I'm finally TURBOCHARGED. Got the VOD 501 channels on my 622 when I turned the set on his morning. I'm going to try one out tonight:)

I am on L612 with my 722 and still no channel 501:mad:
I have been turbocharged since august 2nd

[P Smith]

Check DVR's Menu. All the "501" it's just matter of presenting VOD.

[raylock]

Got turbocharged and channel 501 on the 622 in my kitchen/family room but still no go for the 622 in the theater. Oh well, patience is a virtue:)

[mtbarr64]

This thread is huge, so I am going to hope this was not already asked.

Where is I Am Legend? I have been watching since I got the TurboHD message and I have yet to see I am Legend show up on the VOD 501 channel.

What gives?

[P Smith]

This thread is huge, so I am going to hope this was not already asked.

Where is I Am Legend? I have been watching since I got the TurboHD message and I have yet to see I am Legend show up on the VOD 501 channel.

What gives?
Well, read last page at least. or post#113.

[dennispap]

Ch 501 is not 'a channel' - it's just different way to show VOD movie's list from your disk. Also check signal level on tp 16 @ 110W, that tpn using for spool the movies; the 1080p movie required 3 hrs for download it. Last time it was done between 1:30 am CT and 4:30am CT.

I get high 50's to mid 60's on that tp. Plus my box is off everynight from 11pm cst to 9am cst, with no recordings going on.
I am Not sure what is the real problem then??

[P Smith]

Then check free space in second hidden partition ;).

[Jeff_DML]

new movies keep popping up on 501, have about 7, for me but still no I am Legend 1080p, been turbocharged for over a week now.

[Manke]

Yes, I had the same problem when I rented it last night. Now I'm wondering if it is a Panny problem rather than a Dish problem. My TV is 1080p, and the info bar confirmed that the input signal was 1080p. I could switch the resolution on my 722 to 1080i and the picture was perfect. I tried EVERYTHING - resets, unplugging, all menu items, etc. to no avail. I called Dish, and they told me they would work on this, as they think it may be a bug in the 610 software.

Hi HiDefRev,

Have you recieved an answere anywhere on this issue?

[P Smith]

He need a HDTV set with 1080p24 support !

[AVJohnnie]

I’m now seeing a few reports in the 612/622/722 forum that Dish is telling “Turbo Charged” 622 customers who’ve been unable to get 1080p output with the current L6.12 release that it’s not yet actually capable of outputting 1080p and to wait for the forthcoming L6.14 update.

Call me unnecessarily curious, but has anyone that’s posted here actually been able to confirm for certain that they are getting a true 1080p signal output from their 622/722 receiver?

I’ve been “Turbo Charged” but my sets are only 1080i capable so my “Turbo enhancements” have been somewhat limited … most exciting enhancement for me has been the newly introduced TV1 “micro-screen” display if you use the “*” format button on your TV2 remote. :)

[P Smith]

<skip>
Call me unnecessarily curious, but has anyone that’s posted here actually been able to confirm for certain that they are getting a true 1080p signal output from their 622/722 receiver?
<..>

Yes, if you follow this and other threads dedicated to Dish 1080p ad.

[Jeff_DML]

sorry for beating a dead horse but anybody with HD absolute get I am Legend. I am up to 9 movies on 501 and still no I am legend.

tia
jeff

[P Smith]

Your subscription is irrelevant; look for technical compatibility (FW, HDTV) and free space in VOD partition.

[dclaryjr]

most exciting enhancement for me has been the newly introduced TV1 “micro-screen” display if you use the “*” format button on your TV2 remote. :)

Can you explain this one? You use your TV2 remote to do something to your TV1 display?

[P Smith]

Can you explain this one? You use your TV2 remote to do something to your TV1 display?

There is the thread about bugs: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=136192

[AVJohnnie]

sorry for beating a dead horse but anybody with HD absolute get I am Legend. I am up to 9 movies on 501 and still no I am legend.

tia
jeff

As P Smith stated, since its a VOD offering, subscription shouldn't matter. But since you asked; Yes - I'm on Absolute and it showed up on both of my 622s in the 501 group. But because my HD sets are only 1080i capable (plus there have been some posts indicating that the 622 version of the L6.12 SW release may not be doing 1080p :rolleyes: ) I doubt that I'll bother renting it -- Besides, it'll be on one of the 4 movie packs soon enough anyway.

[AVJohnnie]

Yes, if you follow this and other threads dedicated to Dish 1080p ad.

Thanks -- I located and read the posts you're referring to -- Even though there only seems to be a couple of them actually confirming 1080p, it seems to indicate that Dish has got it working at least on the 722s.

[Jeff_DML]

As P Smith stated, since its a VOD offering, subscription shouldn't matter. But since you asked; Yes - I'm on Absolute and it showed up on both of my 622s in the 501 group. But because my HD sets are only 1080i capable (plus there have been some posts indicating that the 622 version of the L6.12 SW release may not be doing 1080p :rolleyes: ) I doubt that I'll bother renting it -- Besides, it'll be on one of the 4 movie packs soon enough anyway.

thanks

[lwien]

Thanks -- I located and read the posts you're referring to -- Even though there only seems to be a couple of them actually confirming 1080p, it seems to indicate that Dish has got it working at least on the 722s.

Not true.

I have a 722, as well as many other owners of Sony sets, and we cannot get our sets to accept a 1080p signal from Dish even though our sets are 1080p/24. We can see I Am Legend on 501 with 6.10 software, but when we try to rent it, it will only show it at 1080i after running their 1080p compatibility test.

[fmcomputer]

I was told by tech support that ver 6.14 will fix the 1080p problem.

[lwien]

I was told by tech support that ver 6.14 will fix the 1080p problem.

Funny. I was told by tech support that it is not their problem but Sony's and that I needed to call Sony to try and solve the issue.

I then asked to talk to his supervisor which I did, and was then told I was the first to report a problem like this, and that they have no fixes and that I should call Sony.

Argggg........................

I hope your guy is right, but who the hell knows at this point.

[ehb224]

Well my westinghouse 1080p did not pass the 1080p compatibility test:(
I rented it anyway because I like the movie. It looked great in 1080i (and my set upconverts to 1080P anyway) so I don't think I missed much. Have not seen this movie on Bluray but I have seen it on an upconvert DVD player and the sat feed was SO much better.

[dclaryjr]

There is the thread about bugs: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=136192

Thanks! The "*" button is never used on my TV2 remote so I don't have to worry about that one!

[AVJohnnie]

Funny. I was told by tech support that it is not their problem but Sony's and that I needed to call Sony to try and solve the issue.

I then asked to talk to his supervisor which I did, and was then told I was the first to report a problem like this, and that they have no fixes and that I should call Sony.

Argggg........................

I hope your guy is right, but who the hell knows at this point.

I wouldn’t put a whole lot of stock in the mutterings of the average CSR – most of them tend to be pretty clueless. ;) I’m guessing that it will take Dish a few SW releases to get the 1080p support working “as advertised” for the broader majority of 1080p capable customers. FWIW, I talked with a buddy this morning that was upgraded to a 722 last week by Dish and his 1080p Sony DLP set is also failing the conformity test under the current L6.12 release.

1080p delivery has been made into an important sales tool for/by Dish marketing so it’s pretty much a given that they’ll keep rolling out SW releases hot and heavy until the feature is working for the majority of their customers. :)

[charlesrshell]

I was told by tech support that ver 6.14 will fix the 1080p problem.

Wow, that is good news fmcomputer. I have a Sony 1080p and get the not compatible thing. I hope ver 6.14 fixes it. Thanks for the info

[rwalsh]

To P Smith: Here is the Info you asked for:


15156

15157

15158

15159 Note 1250I 50Hz for Video Format

15160

15161

Taken while watching " I Am Legend" in 1080p.

[P Smith]

Thanks for the snapshots.

As I suggested - the HDTV FW had bugs, hence the weird (European) video format and size of the screen - it cannot be 19x6 cm ! My Vizio and Dell displays correct sizes.

[rwalsh]

Thanks for the snapshots.

As I suggested - the HDTV FW had bugs, hence the weird (European) video format and size of the screen - it cannot be 19x6 cm ! My Vizio and Dell displays correct sizes.

Where do you see 19x6CM?

I note Horizontal of 16(cm) and a Vertical of 9(cm). Also in the Snapshot that shows 1250i 50Hz, it indicates an Aspect Ratio of 16_9. I am using the Just Scan mode and if fills the screen perfectly. 16x9 Mode also fills the screen.

[CoolGui]

sorry for beating a dead horse but anybody with HD absolute get I am Legend. I am up to 9 movies on 501 and still no I am legend.

tia
jeff

Hey Jeff, same here... HD Absolute, now I'm showing 5 VOD HD channels, but still no I Am Legend. This is getting really annoying. Am I doing something wrong? Why does Dish hate me so much?? ;)

[mikeinaustin]

I have a Panasonic TH-50PZ700U and it only supports 1080/60p. The "I am Legend" displays but does not fill the screen. The complete image is showing but it displays in the upper left hand corner with a 4 inch blank band at the bottom and on the right side.:confused:

The set shows that it is in 1080p and it passes the 622's compatibility test at the start of the movie.

I had an DVDHD (Don't Laugh) and it displayed correctly?

Anyone having this problem and is it just a 60p issue?


i have the exact same problem with my 1080p panasonic. my 722's firmware is L612. On a side note, my tv has no problems displaying video from my hd-dvd player (toshiba xa2).

[dclaryjr]

I'm not showing I Am Legend but what about the other titles that are already there? Are they SD or is everything now 1080P if you've been "turbocharged?"

[lwien]

I'm not showing I Am Legend but what about the other titles that are already there? Are they SD or is everything now 1080P if you've been "turbocharged?"

There is only one program on 501 VOD that is 1080p and that is I am Legend.

[P Smith]

Where do you see 19x6CM?
<skip>


Mistyped (dislexia ?).

[rwalsh]

Thanks for the snapshots.

As I suggested - the HDTV FW had bugs, hence the weird (European) video format and size of the screen - it cannot be 19x6 cm ! My Vizio and Dell displays correct sizes.

I reported these weird video formats(1250i 50Hz) to Dish Technical. I just received an E-Mail stating that they aware of the problem and it is a Software issue. They said they are working on the problem. They also asked a few questions which I sent to them.

[P Smith]

Would be interesting to post it here, you are a customer as we are.

[dmspen]

I hope they offered you a refund as you purchased a 1080p movie, not 1250i.:eek2:



I reported these weird video formats(1250i 50Hz) to Dish Technical. I just received an E-Mail stating that they aware of the problem and it is a Software issue. They said they are working on the problem. They also asked a few questions which I sent to them.

[dmspen]

I got Turbo'ed last Friday in the wee hours of the morning. I had Ch 501 VOD with I Am Legend and decided to try it. I have a Mitsu DLP that supports 1080p. The compatibility check failed. I do have a Key Digital video processor between the DISH 622 and my TV. It accepts almost any resolution and upconcerts/upscales it to 1080p which is output to my Mits. I'm wondering if my compatibility check failed due to the video processor? Anyone else have this issue?

I guess I need to hook up an hdmi line directly to the TV to check it out.

[lwien]

My compatibility check failed on my 1080p/24 set and I am going directly from my 722 to my TV via HDMI. Tried component also. Didn't work. Sony though, not Mits.

[tcatdbs]

At $2.99 it's cheaper than any of the 1080i movies, I'm happy paying $2.99 for 1080i, since it did look great. But it's worth asking for a refund if it passed the 1080P test and it wasn't viewable. They should really do a FREE preview for a month until they get their software straightened out.

I hope they offered you a refund as you purchased a 1080p movie, not 1250i.:eek2:

[BattleZone]

AVS Forum's list of TVs that properly support 1080/24p:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=997138

[lwien]

AVS Forum's list of TVs that properly support 1080/24p:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=997138

That list doesn't mean squat. My TV, a Sony A3000, is on that list, and yet is incompatible with 1080p on Dish.

[sadwoman]

Have a 722 with 6.12, hdmi to a 1080p Panasonic thru a yamaha v3800. The setup passed, but playback was completely messed up, no sound, blinking lites on the receiver, and a black screen every few seconds. Still the TV showed 1080p on its info screen. I will try a direct connection to the TV just to compare with a BD copy I have

[dmspen]

So are we saying that your TV has to support 1080p/24? My 1080p/60 won't work?

[lwien]

So are we saying that your TV has to support 1080p/24? My 1080p/60 won't work?

Yup, but hey, my 1080p/24 doesn't work either.

[BattleZone]

That list doesn't mean squat. My TV, a Sony A3000, is on that list, and yet is incompatible with 1080p on Dish.

That's because Dish has a software problem that's preventing it from working for nearly everyone.

What's important is that your TV has the capability (most folks' TVs don't), so when the software issues ARE worked out, you'll be good to go.

I posted the list because, for most folks, none of this is going to really matter anyway, since their current TV doesn't support the format used, and therefore they won't really see much difference or gain a lot of benefit (and therefore don't need to spend a lot of time worrying about it).

[BattleZone]

So are we saying that your TV has to support 1080p/24? My 1080p/60 won't work?

1080p/60 is excellent for computer displays and video games. Virtually all movies, though, are shot in 24 frames per second, and virtually all movie Blu-Rays are encoded at 1080/24p, which is ideal for preserving the movie exactly.

Until very recently, though, all TVs were 60 fps refresh rate, which meant that all 24 fps content had to be displayed using a 3:2 pulldown. This means that odd-numbered frames are displayed 3 times and even numbered frames displayed 2 times. (12 x 3) + (12 x 2) = 60. This solves the problem of spreading 24 frames across 60 refreshes, but it creates "judder", because instead of each move frame being displayed for 1/24th of a second as intended, some are displayed for 1/20th of a second, and others for 1/30th.

Many higher-end HDTVs made in the last 2 years offer refresh rates other than just 60; in addition to 60, they are able to refresh at some even multiple of 24. For example, some Pioneer plasmas can refresh at 60 for 1080/60p content or at 72 for 1080/24p content. 72 is a perfect multiple of 24, and the set will display each frame 3 times, effectively displaying that frame exactly 1/24 of a second, as intended. For LCD, 120 Hz refresh is the most common solution, which is 5 x 24. 1080/60p content has each frame displayed twice, and 1080/24p content has each frame displayed 5 times, so that either source results in the frames displayed for the correct amount of time.

But note that some 120 Hz sets do NOT handle 24p correctly at all, converting all content to 1080/60p via 3:2 pulldown, then doubling it to 120, which defeats the purpose of 120 refresh rate to begin with. And nearly all of the other 120 Hz sets do this also, UNTIL you turn their "motion enhancement" engines OFF. Only then do they display 24p content with the proper 5:5 frame ratio.

[lwien]

I posted the list because, for most folks, none of this is going to really matter anyway, since their current TV doesn't support the format used, and therefore they won't really see much difference or gain a lot of benefit (and therefore don't need to spend a lot of time worrying about it).

Ah............k. It's just so frustrating to be told by Dish that this is a Sony issue.:mad:

[inkahauts]

So for those of you that have been able to watch the movie in 1080P... How was it?Could you see a noticeable difference between it and a 1080i movie on a premium channel, like starz or hbo?

[tcatdbs]

NO ONE has a compatable TV :lol: :D :nono: :mad:

[LinkNuc]

Chalk me up for 1080p not working, I have a sony KDS=60A3000 which is 100% 1080/24 compatable (96fps) ..so i guess no one has the ability to watch I am LEgend huh, gereat work E* :nono2:

[rwalsh]

I requested that I not be charged for the 2 times I watched " I Am Legend" in 1250i 50hz and not 1080P. Since Tech. Support from Dish E-Mailed me telling they knew about the software problem and are working on it, they waived the cost of the Movies.

[rpreyes]

I requested that I not be charged for the 2 times I watched " I Am Legend" in 1250i 50hz and not 1080P. Since Tech. Support from Dish E-Mailed me telling they knew about the software problem and are working on it, they waived the cost of the Movies.

OK...here's my story.

I have a ViP622, w/ L612. It is directly hooked up to a Toshiba 65HM167 1080p DLP rear projection HDTV via HDMI cable.

I saw that on Ch501 the I AM LEGEND 1080p VOD was available, so I selected it. This is my 1st attempt to try the new fangled "1080p VOD as good as BluRay quality" that Dish Turbo has been promoting.

After the usual checking phone line/broadband connection info, I was prompted to select RENT the program...and guess what? I CAN VIEW THE PROGRAM IN 1080p. ( At least that is what the Toshiba labeled the program as 1080p when I push the INFO button.) :sure: I A/B'd the BluRay and the VOD and I must say to my eyes the VOD looked pretty dang good...better than a premium channel, IMHO. Of course the VOD was not OAR but as I said this was a curious "what would it look like" kind of thing for me.;)

Now, to echo what another post had mentioned regarding 1250i/50hz, I ran an analysis via the Diagnostics and sure enough it had the same funky resolution result...and says my TV supports up to 1080i. Huh?:confused:

BTW, I did not eval the sound track. And I did not try to connect the HDMI from the 622 thru my ONKYO 606 which does offer 1080p passthru.

So...in summary, despite the resolution matter this Toshiba HDTV model will ostensibly support the 1080p VOD. As to whether it's compatible I guess it remains to be seen...

[olguy]

I have a ViP622, w/ L612. It is directly hooked up to a Toshiba 65HM167 1080p DLP rear projection HDTV via HDMI cable. That's the same set up I have. I was looking forward to seeing I am Legend in 1080p. I got 6.12 yesterday. IAL is still not listed in the EPG. And the VOD movies listed on 501 don't indicate they are HD. I called tech support and let's say I'm less than satisfied.

[Zevon]

Could someone press Info button on his HDTV set while Dish ViP 722 testing it for 1080p or during play the movie ? What resolution and freq used ?

I get 540p when I press info during the 15 second test on my 622. Sorry, don't have a 722. What does that mean?

[rpreyes]

That's the same set up I have. I was looking forward to seeing I am Legend in 1080p. I got 6.12 yesterday. IAL is still not listed in the EPG. And the VOD movies listed on 501 don't indicate they are HD. I called tech support and let's say I'm less than satisfied.

I should point out that I didn't get L612 until 8/14. And the VOD for IAL did not show up on the EPG until a couple of days after that...so it looks like it takes a few days for it to download.

I did send an email to TechSupport regarding the 1250i issue...and one more thing. During the playback of the 1080p VOD, I noticed intermittent A/V dropouts...my son at first thought I was playing with the Skip button on the remote :p I wonder if this is attributable to the 612 software (I have that mini-me picture problem, too) or a common problem with VOD downloads.:(

[DishSatUser]

That's the same set up I have. I was looking forward to seeing I am Legend in 1080p. I got 6.12 yesterday. IAL is still not listed in the EPG. And the VOD movies listed on 501 don't indicate they are HD. I called tech support and let's say I'm less than satisfied.

I don't have the "I am Legend" yet either. However, I just received the 6.12 upgrade recently as well and I'm giving it another day or two before I worry too much. Unlike regular PPV chanels, the VOD is streamed to the hard drive storage space E* sets aside when your system is offline and not recording other shows. If one, like myself has it online almost 24 hrs with some kind of recording going on, it may take some time for the VOD content to show up.

When it's Sept 1st and I still don't have the promotional VOD content for the same cheap price, then I'll be very disappointed. But I'm cutting some slack until that time.

Looks like this feature will be solid at some point, but I suspect they pushed this out to market a little too soon to "one up" D* and their planned 1080P as well. So E* is able to say we're first, but there's clearly some issues with the initial release of this feature.

[cartrivision]

AVS Forum's list of TVs that properly support 1080/24p:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=997138

That isn't a list of TVs that accept and display a 1080p/24 signal.... it's a list of TVs that display it at a refresh rate that is an exact multiple of the 24fps source. The newer 120Hz refresh rate TVs can do that, and 60Hz refresh rate TV's can't, so there are many 60Hz TVs can display 24Hz input at a 60Hz refresh rate, but aren't on that list.

[rpreyes]

That isn't a list of TVs that accept and display a 1080p/24 signal.... it's a list of TVs that display it at a refresh rate that is an exact multiple of the 24fps source. The newer 120Hz refresh rate TVs can do that, and 60Hz refresh rate TV's can't, so there are many 60Hz TVs can display 24Hz input at a 60Hz refresh rate, but aren't on that list.

...which I think probably accounts for my Toshiba DLP being able to present the program . It's a 1080p native resolution model but with 60hz refresh.

I have my PS3 set at 1080p/24hz playback as well as (don't laugh) my A-30 HD-DVD player. But I noticed occasional judder during 1080p/24hz playback via the A30, so I have it set at 1080p.

[BattleZone]

That isn't a list of TVs that accept and display a 1080p/24 signal.... it's a list of TVs that display it at a refresh rate that is an exact multiple of the 24fps source. The newer 120Hz refresh rate TVs can do that, and 60Hz refresh rate TV's can't, so there are many 60Hz TVs can display 24Hz input at a 60Hz refresh rate, but aren't on that list.

Hence the use of the word "properly." I suppose we can get into a semantic discussion of what that means, but to me, that means "displaying each frame for 1/24th of a second", as only TVs that offer refresh rates in exact multiples of 24 fps can do. And not all of THOSE TVs do it right; many still force 3:2 pulldown.

[mtbarr64]

My Sony XBR4 is 1080P and 1080/24p supported. I just confirmed it with my manual.

When I use my Panasonic 1080P DVD player using the OTA tuner I am getting 1080P as the signal for my TV (the Panasonic upconverts all feeds to this format).

When using the 722 I only show 1080i and when I run the setup/diagnostics/hdmi it does not show my Sony as having 1080p compatibility.

To confirm, this is a known issue and E* is working on fixing it, right?

As well I found the VOD (Dish On Demand) menu and I have every film except the I am Legend.

[mtbarr64]

Hence the use of the word "properly." I suppose we can get into a semantic discussion of what that means, but to me, that means "displaying each frame for 1/24th of a second", as only TVs that offer refresh rates in exact multiples of 24 fps can do. And not all of THOSE TVs do it right; many still force 3:2 pulldown.

As I understood it when purchasing my XBR4, the 120 Hz refresh rate means that the TV can display a frame in 120th of a second.

Since film is 24 frames per second you do not suffer the 3:2 pull down "averaging" of the images. Since it is an even multiple of 5 you are getting some "interpolation" between all of the frames represented. This effectively reproduces the motion of film, without the degrade like the 3:2 scheme.

Because the old 60 Hz was not an even multiple of 24 fps they devised the 3:2 pulldown to "average" the frames, introducing "jitter" of the image.

This is my basic understanding of how it works. The 24p actually does a 1 for 1 frame display matching the film perfectly.

[cartrivision]

Hence the use of the word "properly." I suppose we can get into a semantic discussion of what that means, but to me, that means "displaying each frame for 1/24th of a second", as only TVs that offer refresh rates in exact multiples of 24 fps can do. And not all of THOSE TVs do it right; many still force 3:2 pulldown.

Regardless of what "properly" means, the point was that it was not a list of TVs that will display 1080p/24, which is what most people care about.

By that strict definition, 60 Hz refresh 1080p TVs don't "properly" display 24fps Blu-Ray DVDs or any 24fps movie from any other source either, but they still display it, and up until a about year ago, virtually everyone was buying 60Hz HDTVs that couldn't "properly" display any standard 24fps movie, yet it wasn’t an issue for any of them but a few who either could see a difference or were convinced that they could.

The bottom line is that that list is of little use to most people.

[lwien]

My Sony XBR4 is 1080P and 1080/24p supported. I just confirmed it with my manual.

When I use my Panasonic 1080P DVD player using the OTA tuner I am getting 1080P as the signal for my TV (the Panasonic upconverts all feeds to this format).

When using the 722 I only show 1080i and when I run the setup/diagnostics/hdmi it does not show my Sony as having 1080p compatibility.

To confirm, this is a known issue and E* is working on fixing it, right?

As well I found the VOD (Dish On Demand) menu and I have every film except the I am Legend.

This is a known issue by us. It has not been confirmed that they are working on this let alone that they even recognize this as a known issue.

I was told by 3rd tier support that I was the only one that has called in on this and that I needed to call Sony because it was THEIR problem.

[mtbarr64]

This is a known issue by us. It has not been confirmed that they are working on this let alone that they even recognize this as a known issue.

I was told by 3rd tier support that I was the only one that has called in on this and that I needed to call Sony because it was THEIR problem.

E* must have hired ex-Microsoft employees! Typical point the issue to the other company to avoid actually addressing the issue.

I thought E* had techy guys who understood this, yet they did not notice it before hand, Yeah right. More like they were pushed to meet a release deadline for marketing and sales demands and Stock holder expectations.

Hey ECHOSTAR my Sony supports 1080p and 1080p/24! It is only your machine that does not recognize this so own up to the issue and fix it!

[ash]

As I understood it when purchasing my XBR4, the 120 Hz refresh rate means that the TV can display a frame in 120th of a second.

Since film is 24 frames per second you do not suffer the 3:2 pull down "averaging" of the images. Since it is an even multiple of 5 you are getting some "interpolation" between all of the frames represented. This effectively reproduces the motion of film, without the degrade like the 3:2 scheme.

Because the old 60 Hz was not an even multiple of 24 fps they devised the 3:2 pulldown to "average" the frames, introducing "jitter" of the image.

This is my basic understanding of how it works. The 24p actually does a 1 for 1 frame display matching the film perfectly.

My TV the HP Pavillion MD6580N accepts 1080p 24fps signals but doesn't have the capability to refresh it at multiples of 24, hence the jitter problem. I have a PS3 hooked thru HDMI, which can output a 24 fps signal in film mode. However since the TV doesn't refresh it correctly, the PS3 converts it to 60fps, if I turn the 24 fps output off, and sends it to the TV with no problem. Does that mean that the VIP 722 and 622 can only output 1080p in 24bps and not in 60 bps ?
If that's the case than most people who bought 1080p TVs a year ago won't benefit from the enhanced resoultion unless they are willing to live with jitter in the image in fast motion scenes.
Can anyone please confirm ?

[Jeff_DML]

I am still waiting after 2 weeks or so for IAL, I have a sharp LCD that only supports 1080p at 60fps, I will confirm that it works or not when I get the movie.

[DishSatUser]

Finally received the download.

[CoolGui]

Ugh.. I've the 6.12 release for what... 3 weeks? No I Am Legend still. A bunch of other crappy movies on 501, but not the only one I will see. How long are they offering this 2.99 deal? I might miss out completely.

[Jeff_DML]

finally got it last night, tried it on my sharp 1080p d62 LCD, incompatible signals :( My tv only supports 1080p @ 60fps

[phillipsfamily]

I watched it last night on my Samsung 4661 which has a 1080p @60hz display. It verified the source as being 1920x1080p@24hz. It did the 2:3 pulldown as expected and even though I'm no videophile, I thought it looked great. No real judder that I could see accept maybe at the very end where they pan over some trees in Vermont. (If you blinked, you would miss it!)

Bruce

[Jeff_DML]

wow, guess I was wrong. Still seems odd they only output 1080p @24fps, that is a very small subset of tvs.

[BattleZone]

The receiver does an HDMI "handshake" with the TV to find out if the TV accepts 1080/24p native signals. Many newer 60 Hz TVs will accept a 24p signal, even though the TV will convert it to 60p via pulldown, so it isn't surprising that some TVs, even 60 Hz TVs, are showing 1080/24p input signals.

If the HDMI handshake determines that the TV cannot accept a 1080/24p input signal, then the Dish receiver will internally convert the signal to 1080/60i, and send that to the TV. Thus, the same source file is made compatible with virtually any HDTV.

[tcatdbs]

Yeah, but they should have a little better explaination when they run the "Test" to let you know your TV will show it one way or another, not that it will mater when they raise the price back up to $6.99...

The receiver does an HDMI "handshake" with the TV to find out if the TV accepts 1080/24p native signals. Many newer 60 Hz TVs will accept a 24p signal, even though the TV will convert it to 60p via pulldown, so it isn't surprising that some TVs, even 60 Hz TVs, are showing 1080/24p input signals.

If the HDMI handshake determines that the TV cannot accept a 1080/24p input signal, then the Dish receiver will internally convert the signal to 1080/60i, and send that to the TV. Thus, the same source file is made compatible with virtually any HDTV.

[P Smith]

I watched it last night on my Samsung 4661 which has a 1080p @60hz display. It verified the source as being 1920x1080p@24hz. It did the 2:3 pulldown as expected and even though I'm no videophile, I thought it looked great. No real judder that I could see accept maybe at the very end where they pan over some trees in Vermont. (If you blinked, you would miss it!)

Bruce
And last aspect of your experience - what 622/722 's test says before you start watching ?

[cthtexas]

If your TV passes the compatibility test, do you still have the option to cancel the movie (not have to pay), or does the movie immediately start playing? I would like to test my Sony A2000, but I'm not really sure I want to watch the movie at this time.

[timhk]

Just ordered on my 612. Video is fantastic however am having terrible audio drop out. Anyone else having audio issues? Not sure if it did the test correct my TV only went black for about 10 seconds and I was then able to play the movie. Not sure if it was supposed to confirm capability or not. I have a 722 in the BR, but it has not shown up on that box yet.

[phillipsfamily]

And last aspect of your experience - what 622/722 's test says before you start watching ?

Sorry, I didn't catch any test result displayed if there was. After the screen was black for a few seconds it just started playing (as much as I can recall).

[P Smith]

612 ? Is it L6.12 FW version or ViP612 ?

[raylock]

If your TV passes the compatibility test, do you still have the option to cancel the movie (not have to pay), or does the movie immediately start playing? I would like to test my Sony A2000, but I'm not really sure I want to watch the movie at this time.

No, not in my case at least. No messages, the movie just started to play. I spent $2.99 to see if my TV was compatable:) . I really was not interested in watching that movie.

[P Smith]

You simple missed the second popup or press too many times button on remote.

[Jeff_DML]

I just bought it by accident too. I found out once you do the compatibility test and fail they dont do it again. I was watching tv this morning and decided to try it again, whoops, at least it was only 2.99

PQ looked good at 1080i(which should be the same as 1080p), I did'nt notice any macroblocking during fast action. CGI in the movie looked nice and fake so that is good. I did notice a bit of softnesss during some zoom out shots, maybe they could be sending hd-lite or maybe just the movie. Big con was the picture was zoom and the native aspect ratio was not perserved(unless the movie is 16:9 which I dont think it was)

[grog]

Sounds like they need to add a 1080p test to the DIAG page under the HDMI tests.

[P Smith]

If there are more 1080p movies.

[olguy]

Sounds like they need to add a 1080p test to the DIAG page under the HDMI tests.
I just checked my HDMI and on the Info 2 page under HDMI test it shows 480p, 480i, 720p,720i and 1080i. I wonder if that is actually tested or if it just shows what the 622 is capable of in the HDTV Setup menu? Whatever it is, My Toshiba does 1080p 24/60 and another poster with the same tv and a 622 posted he was able to watch IAL. I'm 4 days out from 6.12 and don't have it yet. A CSR told me today it should download within 72 hours. My response, yeah, uh huh.

[lwien]

720i ?

[olguy]

720i ?

Oops. Looks like my fingers got ahead of my brain. Again.:grin: I am curious though if the folks who have been able to view IAL see 1080p on the regular HDMI test.

Anyway, I just checked and IAL is downloaded. Don't know if it was a result of the call to Dish yesterday in which the CSR told me it should download in 72 hours after getting 6.12 and then taking my receiver number and telling me to call them back if I didn't get it last night. Maybe it was because it's not on the other 622 that got 6.12 at the same time last week. I'll give it a try later today.

[grog]

I have two VIP 622's.
'I Am Legend' showed up on one of them a few days ago.
The other VIP 622 still has not seen it.

So if you have more than one VIP check your other one and it might have the 501 PPV 'I Am Legend' on it.

And no I did not try it...yet!

[olguy]

I, like grog, have 2 622s with IAL on the one I called about yesterday but not the other. And we tried it today. It worked on my 622>Toshiba 65HM167. That being said, I can't say we were overly impressed. Don't know if that's because the regular HD movies are as good or if it's because we had cataract surgery a couple of months ago and our brains haven't fully reprogrammed to use these multi-focal length lenses yet. :grin: In any case, that may be the last 1080p I rent.

[raylock]

I have two 622's also and when the software arrived IAL was there also, the same night. The TV display showed 1080p/24. Can't say anything about the quality of the movie since I didn't watch it. (Just spent $2.99 to see the 1080p/24 screen:) )

[JeffN9]

I watched it yesterday on my Sony 60A-3000 using a 622. At first I thought something was terribly wrong because the picture was blinking on/off every 15 seconds or so during the "test". After that it started playing but the picture (and sound) froze on occasion. I was able to watch about 98% of the movie without any problems but an occasional freeze up prevented 100%. I could not figure out though how to see what the actual resolution was on my tv but it certainly was HD quality. It could have been 720p or 1080I for all I knew. I do not yet own a Blue Ray player so I couldn't compare the two.

I saw no options for cancelling the movie after clicking rent.

[lwien]

I could not figure out though how to see what the actual resolution was on my tv but it certainly was HD quality.

Press display on your remote and the incoming resolution will show up in the upper right hand corner of the screen.

I doubt though that you were getting it in 1080p. More than likely, it was in 1080i.

[Taco Lover]

I ran the test on my Sony 55A2000, and it failed the test. I'm pretty sure it can handle 1080p/24, but it didn't work. It said "Unsupported Signal Detected".

[olguy]

Press display on your remote and the incoming resolution will show up in the upper right hand corner of the screen.

I doubt though that you were getting it in 1080p. More than likely, it was in 1080i.
My Toshiba Info showed it to be 1080p.

[LinkNuc]

I watched it yesterday on my Sony 60A-3000 using a 622. At first I thought something was terribly wrong because the picture was blinking on/off every 15 seconds or so during the "test". After that it started playing but the picture (and sound) froze on occasion. I was able to watch about 98% of the movie without any problems but an occasional freeze up prevented 100%. I could not figure out though how to see what the actual resolution was on my tv but it certainly was HD quality. It could have been 720p or 1080I for all I knew. I do not yet own a Blue Ray player so I couldn't compare the two.

I saw no options for cancelling the movie after clicking rent.

I have a 60A3000 as well, it is not compatable with the 622's current software, yes it can display all frame rates of 1080p, but for some reason it won't work witht he 622, and the best is calling the "tech support" or "advanced tech support" They are nothing more than CSR's with 2 more weeks of training, Don't believe me try for yourself, they'll blame it on the tv and keep trying to give you Sony's number.

[JeffN9]

Press display on your remote and the incoming resolution will show up in the upper right hand corner of the screen.

I doubt though that you were getting it in 1080p. More than likely, it was in 1080i.

I tried every button I could think of and could'nt see the resolution. I use a universal remote and it's quite possible that I don't have display programmed into one of the buttons. I know I tried info but that didn't give the res.

It's weird that some folks can't rent it at all while it is down rezzing and playing for others.

[olguy]

As I posted above, my Toshiba Info showed 1080p. However, like a couple of other posters, when I ran the HDMI analysis while the movie was playing, the 622 showed 1250i_50hz. I called and the CSR had no explanation. I read rwalsh's posts above so I emailed and asked for a refund :D

[P Smith]

That's a bug in 622 FW enumeration - you should worried what your TV shows for Info command.
It must support 1080p24 format. Period.

[lwien]

My Toshiba Info showed it to be 1080p.

That's because you don't have a Sony A3000 ;)

[lwien]

I ran the test on my Sony 55A2000, and it failed the test. I'm pretty sure it can handle 1080p/24, but it didn't work. It said "Unsupported Signal Detected".

Yes, your set CAN handle 1080p/24. Welcome to the unsupported club even though your set is supported.

[olguy]

That's a bug in 622 FW enumeration - you should worried what your TV shows for Info command.
It must support 1080p24 format. Period.

And I was able to watch IAL on my Tosh so it passed the Dish test and as stated above, my Tosh shows 1080p so I guess I have nothing to worry about :) But I am curious so if you can explain in plain English that an old coot can understand, what is 622 FW enumeration?

[P Smith]

It's SW process, what OS doing for PnP device during negotiation. Your PC doing this each time when you plug USB flash, for example.

[Jeff_DML]

everyone else who watched IAL have it full frame 16:9?

seems messed up that they only output 24fps then they crop it from 2.35:1 to 16:9.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480249/technical

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16:9#16:9_standard

[P Smith]

If you like to help resolve the issues with particular HDTV, then post your EDID in a thread http://dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=137532.

[CoolGui]

Am I the only person left who hasn't even got it available?? Why is Dish Network picking on just me? :P

[grog]

You are not alone.
It did download to one of my 622's but the other 622 is still waiting for the download of IAL.

I expect it will show up in a couple of weeks +- 72 hours. :D

Am I the only person left who hasn't even got it available?? Why is Dish Network picking on just me? :P

[William Millar]

I got the download on my 622 a week ago, but no 501 I am Legend Channel, but I have 16 other 501 channels.

[eudoxia]

Am I the only person left who hasn't even got it available?? Why is Dish Network picking on just me? :P

No I have 722 and still no movie I am Legend. Just 4 VOD channels

[dclaryjr]

I have a 622 and have had the 501 display for a couple of weeks. I have over a dozen movies showing but no IAL. I'm not normally a movie renter so no biggie--but I might test drive it for 2.99 if it ever shows up.

[kruser]

I have a 622 and a 722. The 722 got the 612 update a week before the 622.
My 722 still does not show any VOD 501 channels while the 622 does.

Why would my 722 not show any VOD 501 channels?

Both have been plugged in but powered off for the same amount of time and then 5 days ago I did a power button reset on the 722 but still no 501 VOD channels.

Anyone have a clue on this one?

[P Smith]

I have a 622 and a 722. The 722 got the 612 update a week before the 622.
My 722 still does not show any VOD 501 channels while the 622 does.

Why would my 722 not show any VOD 501 channels?

Both have been plugged in but powered off for the same amount of time and then 5 days ago I did a power button reset on the 722 but still no 501 VOD channels.

Anyone have a clue on this one?

It's like your inner guts :) - nobody knows what is in there.
Contact Dish, it's practically impossible to help you from Internet.

[lwien]

Contact Dish, it's practically impossible to help you from Internet.

It's practically impossible to get help from Dish too.:bang

[P Smith]

Stop by then if you in BA ;).

[razorbackfan]

I noticed tonight it's the alternate ending version and nothing on VOD is in HD.

[grog]

"I am Legend" spooled to my 1st 622 a couple of weeks ago.

"I Am Legend" has still not shown up on my second 622.

Told the Dish tech about it a couple of nights ago. Report has been filed.

[fredp]

I noticed tonight it's the alternate ending version and nothing on VOD is in HD.
What.... you don't have 10kBC 1080p... That what I have on my 622 for HD VOD. Here we go again.
:eek2:

[dclaryjr]

What.... you don't have 10kBC 1080p... That what I have on my 622 for HD VOD. Here we go again.
:eek2:

Is there something in the listing that shows it's 1080P? I have 15 movies but no IAL and nothing to indicate 10000BC is HD.

[Taco Lover]

Yup, IAL is gone from my list, and 10,000 B.C. is there now.

[razorbackfan]

What.... you don't have 10kBC 1080p... That what I have on my 622 for HD VOD. Here we go again.
:eek2:

No I don't. I had IAL in 1080p, and have the 15 or so 501 VOD channels but no 10,000 BC in 1080p.

[fredp]

No I don't. I had IAL in 1080p, and have the 15 or so 501 VOD channels but no 10,000 BC in 1080p.
I had IAL as you did during the August special. On the 31st it was gone as I expected(special ran til the 30th). I check yesterday(9/1) and there it was, 10kBC in 1080p for $2.99. I wonder just how much grief this month's special will cause folks. BTW, I am still on 6.12.

[HobbyTalk]

Had IAL in 1080p, no 10kBC in 1080p.

[dclaryjr]

I checked before leaving the house this morning and low and behold, there was I Am Legend (alternate ending). $4.99. Nothing to indicate it's HD much less 1080P. :confused: :confused:

[grog]

Well 10,000 BC showed up on my 622.
Thing is, after reading the reviews I think I will pass on this one.

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/9550968/review/19210376/10000_bc

10,000 B.C. will take your money, rob your time and hit your brain like a shot of Novacaine. The best acting comes from woolly mammoths, man-eating ostriches and a saber-toothed tiger — and those babies are digital. It’s the human actors who look fake.

Now that was harsh!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/movies/07ten.html

And at its best — which may also be to say at its worst — “10,000 BC” feels like a throwback to an ancient, if not exactly prehistoric, style of filmmaking. The wooden acting, the bad dialogue, the extravagantly illogical special effects may well, in time, look pleasingly cheap and hokey, at which point the true entertainment value of the film will at last be realized.

Still looking for a good review...... :p

[CoolGui]

I have had 10k BC almost since they turned the HD VOD thing on last month. IAL NEVER SHOWED UP. bah. sorry.

10k BC is still 6.99 like it has been for the last weeks. I had maybe 6 or 7 501 channels at one time, but now I'm down to only 3.... none of which is IAL OF COURSE.. sorry...

[grog]

Should look like this:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8509/vodiv6.jpg


I have had 10k BC almost since they turned the HD VOD thing on last month. IAL NEVER SHOWED UP. bah. sorry.

10k BC is still 6.99 like it has been for the last weeks. I had maybe 6 or 7 501 channels at one time, but now I'm down to only 3.... none of which is IAL OF COURSE.. sorry...

[razorbackfan]

Nope, still don't have it. Have all the other useless VOD channels though.

[phrelin]

Hmmm. The 1080p experience. Dish Network's own version of "Mystery Science Theater 3000" except you provide your own commentary starting with: "This cost how much?"

[razorbackfan]

So...this morning I have 10,000 BC in 1080p. I'll watch this tonight. 10,000 BC a movie filled with pathos, drama, excitement, cgi, a movie destined to last a lunchtime...

Nothing else on.

[charlesrshell]

Just tried out 10,000 BC in 1080p. My Sony KDL-40V2500 1080p TV still says not capable and the 722 has update version 6.13. Went ahead and rented it anyway. Picture is great. I was hoping version 6.13 would fix things.

[P Smith]

Just tried out 10,000 BC in 1080p. My Sony KDL-40V2500 1080p TV still says not capable and the 722 has update version 6.13. Went ahead and rented it anyway. Picture is great. I was hoping version 6.13 would fix things.

For show the Dish's 1080p movies your HDTV must support 1080p24 specifically.

[Barrysb]

For show the Dish's 1080p movies your HDTV must support 1080p24 specifically.

My Mits LT-40134 does support 1080P24 and the picture was fine but no sound. E* tech support said they were aware of this issue, and were working trying to solve the problem. Any one know if this problem has been fixed? I'm using a 622.

[slowmo]

For show the Dish's 1080p movies your HDTV must support 1080p24 specifically.

If true, then my 622 must be outputting 1080p24 via component to my commercial plasma (which is capable of supporting that format even though it then converts it to its native 480p resolution). See my separate thread.

[lwien]

Update:

Update on Sony A3000 not being able to pass compatibility tests with Dish 1080p content:

Thought that maybe software update L613 would fix the issue.

It didn't.

[Jeff_DML]

yep 10k BC popped up and was able to check if I support 1080p and it failed again, not sure if I have the latest firmware. No 24p support, just 60p for my tv.

[P Smith]

Seems Dish got partial fixes for HDTV sets with 1080p24 content;
L6.12 didn't pass the test [IAL] for Dell 2408FPW monitor, L6.13 got it right [10K BC] and the monitor info ( you have a few second to check it after you press "Rent" first time ) states 1080p instead of regular 1080i.

[razorbackfan]

Just finished watching 10,000 BC on VOD 501 1080p. I had to set my tv to 720p to get a watchable picture, which I didn't have to do with IAL. PQ was excellent and the 5.1 surround was very good.

The movie isn't as bad as I thought it would be. It was entertaining, kind of like The Searchers meets Sparta.