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firephoto
03-21-03, 10:24 AM
The Pentagon is saying that "A-Day" has begun.
Expect to see the full force of the military.
Scott Greczkowski
03-21-03, 10:28 AM
So far I have only seen 1 explosion and lots of anti aircraft fire. Nothing to shock or awe anyone.
Mike123abc
03-21-03, 10:35 AM
Well it is supposedly predicted because a ton of bombers took off so many hours ago. The military has been doing a good job of misinformation. They know Iraq is watching all the coverage too, and probably want to catch them off guard.
Scott Greczkowski
03-21-03, 10:36 AM
So far I call it "stretch and yawn" :)
Fox News is reporting that the Pentagon has confirmed that Saddam was indeed injured in the attack the other night.
firephoto
03-21-03, 11:01 AM
Explosions in Baghdad.
ok......
BIG explosions and the sound of cruise missiles in Baghdad!!!
Wow
It is now noon central time, watching live shots, and "shock and awe" are now in progress.
RandyAB
03-21-03, 11:10 AM
It is amazing to see the firepower of the US. To see how some buildings are destroyed, and right next door you will see a building standing with the power still on like it has not been damaged. Both CNN and Foxnews are saying tons of people are surrending now. Wonder if it is actually true though
blingbling
03-21-03, 11:22 AM
Wow. Some of those bombs created mushroom clouds...had to be bigger than cruise missiles. Daiseycutters or MOABS maybe?
Chris Blount
03-21-03, 11:38 AM
Wow! Those are some incredible pictures. The sad thing is that most likely many innocent Iraqis have been killed.
Scott Greczkowski
03-21-03, 11:39 AM
Ive got 2 TV's on my Desk and the XM Radio going. :)
While I consider this a step up in action, I still do not belive that this is "Shock and Awe"
Originally posted by Scott Greczkowski
While I consider this a step up in action, I still do not belive that this is "Shock and Awe"
One of the weaknesses of TV is that it truly doesn't give a complete picture of an event. It goes both ways. A camera can be focused in tightly, and give the impression of total devastation when it is in reality rather limited in scope. But it also fails to convey the impact of other events. I think if you were in Baghdad today your impression might be different.
Just heard the estimate that we have run through about 500 cruise missiles so far. At about a million a pop.
firephoto
03-21-03, 01:50 PM
Gee, maybe we should have used rocks and arrows due to economic reasons. :rolleyes:
firephoto, don't you like to know where your money is going? I didn't make any value judgment on the report I heard, but I do think it is relevant to the subject of how much in the way of munitions we are running through at what cost. Scott made the comment that he didn't yet put what was happening as being what he considered "shock and awe." I thought these figures helped put things in perspective. If 500 cruise missiles are fired in 2 or 2.5 hours, thats a fairly significant number, especially in terms of the entire number of cruise missiles used in Desert Storm.
Scott Greczkowski
03-21-03, 02:14 PM
I am enjoying NBC's coverage, they are showing video of Iraqi's dancing in the streets with American solders.
They have a video of a solder tearing down a big poster of Saddam and having and iraqi man come over to help.
It gets funny when the Iraqi man takes off his shoe and starts wacking Saddam in the face with his shoe. (I laughed out loud at that one) :D
The big question now, is who is in control of Iraq? It almost seems like it is every man for themself.
Right now it doesn't seem that anyone is in control. Certainly raises the question of whether Saddam is dead or incapacitated, or at the very least that communications are nil.
Just was confirmed by the Pentagon that the commander of the Iraq 51st division has surrendered.
At this point today (tonite in Iraq):
2000 sorties flown
1000 cruise missiles
1500 "aim points" (targets)
While there was no breakdown of exactly where the targets were located, the assumption was that the majority were in and around Baghdad.
BTW, my daughter just called me. She just got here from Kansas City. Driving in and around Belleview (Offut AFB) she said there was a steady stream of planes landing and taking off. Evidently lots of restocking taking place.
John Corn
03-21-03, 03:02 PM
The military wants to keep civilian casualties down. Who will win the war is obvious in terms of normal military issues. But this is a unique war in many respects, and how the world views the US when its over will have more to do with who wins or loses than any battle.
As an example of this reality, the weak defense Iraq is putting up, in some respects harms the US interest since it will used to prove that Iraq was not in reality a serious threat beforehand (the same of course is true if Saddam does not use WMD in large amounts or at all).
Neil Derryberry
03-21-03, 07:10 PM
As an example of this reality, the weak defense Iraq is putting up, in some respects harms the US interest since it will used to prove that Iraq was not in reality a serious threat beforehand (the same of course is true if Saddam does not use WMD in large amounts or at all).
True.. we are going to look quite stupid if we don't find any WMD's. However, Saddam has already used weapons (scuds) that he declared to the UN that he didn't have, so I feel sure that thw WMD's exist. My hope is that we get Saddam (one way or the other) so that the boming can stop, and I'm sure if we manage to do that it will stop.
The happiness seen on the face of the Iraqi people is encouraging... I love the thought of a nation finally free from tyranny, and I'm glad we have taken that on... I feel that it is truly our duty - though I'm sure some here will disagree.
God bless our nation and all other defenders of freedom!
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