HD Locals: Los Angeles, CA

[Doug Brott]

Please post broadcast issues with DIRECTV satellite delivered HD Local Channels only

DMA: Los Angeles, CA
Established: 1/1/2003
Rank: 2

HD Locals available in this DMA

ABC - KABC (7)
CBS - KCBS (2)
NBC - KNBC (4)
FOX - KTTV (11)
PBS - KCET (28)
CW - KTLA (5)
MNT - KCOP (13)
IND - KCAL (9)


For instructions, please visit this thread (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=137643)

[Stuart Sweet]

Watching 'Til Death and Do Not Disturb recorded Wed. 9/17 from KTTV-MPEG4 (satellite delivered). Both shows had very slight audio errors throughout, just a slight gurgle/blurp while people were talking every so often.

[njmurvin]

I live in Simi Valley (Los Angeles local feed). I was watching a football game on NBC on Saturday and we were having a rare rainy day. I heard a dripping sound in my right ear (frequency between drips about 2 seconds) and figured it was coming from outside from the rain. I muted my sound to see if I could isolate it. Gone . . . Unmuted and dripping is back. Hmmmm, sound is coming from the television. So, I switched channels and the dripping went away. OK, transient problem with NBC somewhere in their system. No biggie.

Last night, during the debate, same dripping sound on NBC. I noticed my wife had turned on the ceiling fan. Ahhh, that's it!!! The ceiling fan is causing interference. Turned it off. Still get the dripping sound. I run my HR21 sound thru a Yamaha AVR using optical. So, now I'm figuring something must be going on with interference with the AVR. Oh well, I'll figure it out later.

So, I went upstairs to my bedroom where I have an HR20 connected to a Kenwood AVR via composite connectors. It's on a separate dish (don't ask) with no MS. I select a recording of Heroes to play back and - guess what? - dripping sound in my right ear. I put on headphones just to be sure I wasn't imagining this. Later, I turned on Leno and dripping continued. Switched to Letterman - no dripping.

So, it seems isolated to NBC (haven't found another channel to do it). Two different receivers, two AVRs (connected with different cable types), two dishes and the problem gets recorded (same watching a recording vs. watching live). I did a search and found no one else with this issue.

Any ideas?

[catlvr14]

Having a problem with NBC and ABC. Don't watch much on the other broadcast channels, so don't know it there is a problem there too. Sometimes the dvr records fine, other times I have a gray screen. Called CS, told me to re-set, but it is still doing it. I have HR-20-700.

[dalime]

Heroes HD. Issues with DD left channel pops on ch 393 last two weeks in a row.
Pops are rhythmic about every five seconds

[inkahauts]

Heroes HD. Issues with DD left channel pops on ch 393 last two weeks in a row.
Pops are rhythmic about every five seconds

have you tried watching them on channel 4? Was the problem there as well?

[smellyfungus]

Heroes HD. Issues with DD left channel pops on ch 393 last two weeks in a row.
Pops are rhythmic about every five seconds

im having the same problem with most NBC shows using CH4. i hear it on Chuck, Heroes, and Late Night with Conan. sometimes i dont hear it for a while but it might be because ive gotten used to it.
didnt notice it on the office or saturday night live thursday weekend report.

had it on both HR20 and HR22 in the last couple weeks.

[pi2000]

all HD locals are pixelated again tonight... been happening on and off for almost a year now.

[yarrumc]

all HD locals are pixelated again tonight... been happening on and off for almost a year now.

Laker game was horrible on channel 9 on Wednesday. The picture must have cut out a handful of times and or the sound. I think it is 9, but I have always noticed during the game that the pictures will go out of focus for a few seconds and then slowly become clear to an HD picture..strange. My signal is pretty much 80's on 99 and 103c, so I think it is either channel 9 or Direct. I have had issues on the other locals as well and has been an issue since I have had Direct since April.

[Stuart Sweet]

I watched Jeopardy on KABC last night for the first time in a while and noticed that it still has problems where it seems blurry for a second then gets sharper.

[Doug Brott]

Added PBS - KCET (28) to the lineup

[johnnylighton]

Added PBS - KCET (28) to the lineup

Does this mean that KCET is finally in HD??

EDITED: OK, I know this now from the other thread - Finally!! :)

[Toddwrtr]

Watching "Cold Case" on KCBS-HD, channel 2, recorded at 8 pm on 1/25/2009.

Picture pixelates occassionally, and sound garbles out for a few seconds.

[Toddwrtr]

KTTV 11 (FOX)
2 Feb 2009
8:00pm
No closed captions

[SLICK1938]

I live in 29 Palms, ZIP 92277, and receive all of the LA Local Stations, including KCET CH 28 on DIRECTV. I have yet to see any HD programming on this channel.
The station is listed as "LA 28" on the Guide but the station logo shows KCETHD on the screen. I realize that the other local HD channels are listed as KNBC, KCBS, KTTV, etc.
I have bars on both top and bottom and on the sides.
Is it just me or is anyone receiving HD from KCETHD?
Thanks.

[steevew6]

Go to Channels I get and look for KCET 28...that will be your HD PBS channel 28

[SLICK1938]

Thanks for the reply.
I did as you suggested and it shows: LA 28 not KCET.
I have reset with the red button and reset with the unplugging but still
get the LA 28.
Maybe I'll send DIRECTV an e-mail and ask for suggestions.
What shows are you viewing in HD on KCET?
Thanks again.

[TonySCV]

Anyone noticing a "hot" picture on KNBC HD programs? I have DirecTV and recorded Ellen and NBC4 news and noticed (especially on Ellen) that the video was "hot" - faces are too bright. The problem isn't noticeable on any other HD broadcast that I've viewed so far, and it's happening on multiple TV's.

- T

[Hutchinshouse]

FOX - KTTV (11) very bad this week when watching American Idol. At least 5 times during the Tuesday show the video when all black, lost the DD feed and the audio made a funny booooinggggggg sound. Each time it happened it lasted for about 10 seconds.

[djrobx]

Watching AI tonight on Fox 11 HD had one major "blip"/blackout/brrrrip/breakup during Kelly Clarkson's performance. Anyone notice the same thing? The 10:00 news was bad yesterday too.

[djrobx]

KTLA HD feed very bad tonight. 11pm news was blacking out all over the place.

[scottp461]

I do most of my "local" recordings off-air on 2 old HR-10's and sometimes do back up recordings of the same shows off of DirecTV local feeds on HR-20's. I have been tracking signal dropouts when they occur, and checking the same area of the recordings from the "other" source when they do. In EVERY case, there is a glitch in the off air MPEG2 (source) that corresponds to the MUCH WORSE freeze and/or dropout in the DirecTV MPEG4 local feed. Since DirecTV "receives" the same local signals as I do and then converts them to MPEG4 for retransmission, the glitches are not FROM DirecTV, but the MPEG4 encoders do not handle data glitches in the source well at all! MPEG2 signal recovery off-air is usually a second or 2, but the corresponding MPEG4 recovery can be 5, 10 or even 20 seconds. Can the MPEG4 encoders be set up to handle data errors better than they do now? I don't know. It would be something that would be worth DirecTV looking into.

[texasbrit]

I do most of my "local" recordings off-air on 2 old HR-10's and sometimes do back up recordings of the same shows off of DirecTV local feeds on HR-20's. I have been tracking signal dropouts when they occur, and checking the same area of the recordings from the "other" source when they do. In EVERY case, there is a glitch in the off air MPEG2 (source) that corresponds to the MUCH WORSE freeze and/or dropout in the DirecTV MPEG4 local feed. Since DirecTV "receives" the same local signals as I do and then converts them to MPEG4 for retransmission, the glitches are not FROM DirecTV, but the MPEG4 encoders do not handle data glitches in the source well at all! MPEG2 signal recovery off-air is usually a second or 2, but the corresponding MPEG4 recovery can be 5, 10 or even 20 seconds. Can the MPEG4 encoders be set up to handle data errors better than they do now? I don't know. It would be something that would be worth DirecTV looking into.
DirecTV is well aware of this issue. But if you think about it, the glitch from the encoder that takes the MPEG-2 signal and re-encodes it to MPEG-4 will ALWAYS be worse than the glitch in the MPEG-2 signal. The MPEG-4 encoder will always take a finite time to recover when the MPEG-2 signal becomes stable again so the glitch will be longer.

[djrobx]

DirecTV is well aware of this issue. But if you think about it, the glitch from the encoder that takes the MPEG-2 signal and re-encodes it to MPEG-4 will ALWAYS be worse than the glitch in the MPEG-2 signal. The MPEG-4 encoder will always take a finite time to recover when the MPEG-2 signal becomes stable again so the glitch will be longer.
I don't see why. Assuming we have:

OTA Mpeg2 -> DirecTV MPEG-2 Decode - > Raw Frames -> DirecTV MPEG 4 Encode -> STB Receiver Decode.

The MPEG-4 encoder should just encode the raw frames that it "sees". Errors in the MPEG-2 stream should not inherently make for "even worse" MPEG-4 output. The decoder should generate frames just as you would see them on your own STB. The MPEG-4 encoder wouldn't know the difference between "good" frames and bad ones.

I do, of course, agree that a small amount of data loss will have more impact on MPEG-4. But Scott is saying errors in the "source" MPEG-2 are triggering bigger problems with the MPEG-4 stream. That should be something that is fixable.

PS: American Idol is having major feed issues tonight. :(

[bmwtaxi]

Fox has been bad all week. Drop outs during American Idol, Lie to Me etc.

[inkahauts]

I have been having drop outs on fox as of late... This is obviously a fox issue. I had thought maybe my wiring was part of the problem, and redid some of it, but it still has dropouts on this one station.. and only that station.. Fox 11 HD off of the Spotbeam feed, not the channel in the 390's.. I don't know if that channel has issues too or not...

[djrobx]

Seeing the same. Fox-11 has been VERY bad lately, but other channels have been fine. I haven't compared with the national feed.

[Stuart Sweet]

Truly poor broadcast quality from KCOP-13 yesterday, 4/12, during the Red Sox/Angels game. The broadcast was produced using the standard fox sports graphics, so I suspect it went out to the rest of the country as HD but was broadcast SD in Los Angeles. Not only that but there were breakups every 10-15 seconds and frequent audio burps.

I do not get KCOP-DT over the air so I can't confirm if this was a broadcast center issue.

[djrobx]

OK, I finally recorded both Fox-11 and Fox-399. Fox-11 had some bad dropouts, while Fox-399 went on without a hiccup. So it's NOT a Fox issue.

FWIW, my signal strength is 100 on the spot beam. 88 or so for the national one that actually seems to work better! I've even gone as far as to monitor the signal level while the channel is on through DirecTV's serial port interface. It never dips below 100. So it's not a momentary drop out or something of that nature.

[bmwtaxi]

I've had the same FOX 11 issues fro several weeks now. Numerous drops on almost evry show recorded over the last three or four weeks.

[Wisegoat]

Truly poor broadcast quality from KCOP-13 yesterday, 4/12, during the Red Sox/Angels game. The broadcast was produced using the standard fox sports graphics, so I suspect it went out to the rest of the country as HD but was broadcast SD in Los Angeles. Not only that but there were breakups every 10-15 seconds and frequent audio burps.

I do not get KCOP-DT over the air so I can't confirm if this was a broadcast center issue.

OTA looks just as bad. I cannot figure out for the life of me why Arte Moreno leaves his team on this station. They refuse to air anything except wrestling in HD. Even when we know what they are broadcasting is in HD (i.e. the Angels games). FCC - Take away their license! Same with KDOC 56-1. They never use their HD signal to show anything in HD.

[juniormaj]

OK, I finally recorded both Fox-11 and Fox-399. Fox-11 had some bad dropouts, while Fox-399 went on without a hiccup. So it's NOT a Fox issue.


I had major problems on Fox-11 last night (17 May) during 'The Simpsons', but not even one hiccup during 'King of the Hill'.
This afternoon I noticed some bad glitching on Fox-11, so I switched over to 399 and it was trouble free.

[waltersw]

bounced to this thread..talking about 24 last night and the first hour having video/audio issues. Looks like it's a LA issue.

So, what's the solution? Skip the local fox 11 and record from Nat. feed 399?

[juniormaj]

bounced to this thread..talking about 24 last night and the first hour having video/audio issues. Looks like it's a LA issue.

So, what's the solution? Skip the local fox 11 and record from Nat. feed 399?

That's my current plan, at least until it gets resolved.
I recorded '24' on 11 and 399 last night. Although I noticed glitches on both feeds, it seemed the ones on 399 were much less severe than the ones on 11.
On 11 the glitches would often result in complete loss of picture and sound for up to 5 seconds, whereas the same glitches on 399 just produced an annoying 'brrrrrp' and some minor pixellation for a much shorter time. The only differing factor I can see is maybe that 11 is on a spot beam and 399 is ConUS? For some reason 11 is affected in a more severe way by these glitches.

[mrshermanoaks]

The dropouts just kept coming in "24". Was hugely annoying.

[Church AV Guy]

Originally Posted by C-Dub006
Another great season of 24 comes to an end. Can't wait until January!. Had a couple of observations on picture quality. Did anyone else in the LA area watching have any moments of pixal breakups (4 times) and lost picture/sound (3 times) for a several seconds?. The lost picture/sound cause a few seconds of lost dialog at critical times during the show. Tried to go back and come out of the commercial earlier, but to no avail. I had DVR'd like always and delayed the screening to avoid the commercials like I'm sure, a lot of people do. Have NEVER had any issues with picture quality in the past. A few breakups now and then, but nothing like last night. Kind of a bummer since it was the end of the season. Maybe just a HD glitch?. I hope its an isolated hiccup.
The dropouts just kept coming in "24". Was hugely annoying.

I accidentally posted this in the show discussion area. I have deleted it from there, and added it back here.

C-Dub006, your description is exactly what I saw on two DVRs. I was watching live, and both of them had the exact same pixelation and drop-outs. The two were frame by frame duplicates of each other. I assumed, when I saw that, that the problem was not my equipment, but a problem with what DirecTV got from the broadcast in LA, or in the relay from LA to the uplink. It does not appear to have been seen in other localities.

I never thought of using 399. I'll look into it.

[inkahauts]

That's my current plan, at least until it gets resolved.
I recorded '24' on 11 and 399 last night. Although I noticed glitches on both feeds, it seemed the ones on 399 were much less severe than the ones on 11.
On 11 the glitches would often result in complete loss of picture and sound for up to 5 seconds, whereas the same glitches on 399 just produced an annoying 'brrrrrp' and some minor pixellation for a much shorter time. The only differing factor I can see is maybe that 11 is on a spot beam and 399 is ConUS? For some reason 11 is affected in a more severe way by these glitches.

That is weird.. No matter what, Fox (11 & 13) are cheap stations, and I am hoping that when the analogue goes down in a month, that they will up their signal strength.. I can;t recall if they are moving frequency, but maybe that would help too....

24 the best show on tv, and the worst presentation.. Not Happy, as I saw all of the glitches that everyone else mentioned!!!

[juniormaj]

That is weird.. No matter what, Fox (11 & 13) are cheap stations, and I am hoping that when the analogue goes down in a month, that they will up their signal strength.. I can;t recall if they are moving frequency, but maybe that would help too....

24 the best show on tv, and the worst presentation.. Not Happy, as I saw all of the glitches that everyone else mentioned!!!

I saw a few shows listed on 13 a couple of months ago that looked interesting, but when I watched them there were so many freezes and brrrrps that I gave up on the channel completely. That's a bad testimony, in my opinion.

Thankfully 13 doesn't carry the Dodgers or the Lakers (or the Clippers, for that matter). I think they carry the Angels once in awhile, but only in SD if I recall correctly.
I hope Saturdays Dodgers/Angels game isn't blacked out on PrimeTicket because it's on 13.

[Hutchinshouse]

Is KLCS Channel 58-2 new to the Los Angeles HD lineup? I saw it for the first time last night. It was a 480i program (that filled the screen), however when I sorted by HD the channel was included.

FYI - My HR20 set to native/ pillar box

[trainman]

I hope Saturdays Dodgers/Angels game isn't blacked out on PrimeTicket because it's on 13.

Shouldn't be -- it's the Dodgers' local broadcast on Prime Ticket, and the Angels' local broadcast on 13, and neither team has the authority to black out the other's local broadcast. (Of course, there's always the slim possibility of some bizarre DirecTV technical issue...)

[juniormaj]

Shouldn't be -- it's the Dodgers' local broadcast on Prime Ticket, and the Angels' local broadcast on 13, and neither team has the authority to black out the other's local broadcast. (Of course, there's always the slim possibility of some bizarre DirecTV technical issue...)

Yeah, I should have added that bit. I was mostly worried that DirecTV might flub it since I've been reading some reports of "Game Search" acting a bit wonky.

[cigar95]

I recorded '24' on 11 and 399 last night. Although I noticed glitches on both feeds, it seemed the ones on 399 were much less severe than the ones on 11.


I did something a bit different - I recorded both HD and SD versions of channel 11. I had the same issues - four or five "blackouts" - on my HD version in the first hour, but the SD recording was just fine. (At least I was able to use that to go back and see what I missed.)

[djrobx]

Since changing over my series links to 399 instead of 11, things have been MUCH better. Tonight's So You Think You Can Dance had a really bad period. Tap dancing acapella with regular brrriping was quite amusing!

[ercjncprdtv]

Since changing over my series links to 399 instead of 11, things have been MUCH better. Tonight's So You Think You Can Dance had a really bad period. Tap dancing acapella with regular brrriping was quite amusing!

When KTTV moves back to channel 11 on June 12th, there should no longer be a problem.

[Ashtonian]

What is "A3 Los Angeles 50 KOCE PBS"
Just appeared in the guide with programs marked [HD]

Is this a new local HD

[Ashtonian]

Go to Channels I get and look for KCET 28...that will be your HD PBS channel 28

However, KOCE in my guide was showing [HD]

So I went to Setup > Parental> Favorites> Edit> [Fav Chan]
then scrolled to 50 which is KOCE above it now added to the listing is 50
This first 50 is the HD channel
I select this 50 and unselect the previously selected 2nd 50

[JACH]

For me, when one HD local channel from channel 2 - 13 starts to break up, they all do. Some people here are talking about specific channels like Fox 11, but for me it's either they all break up at the same time or they're all fine. Usually starts to happen after 8pm. I believe the signal for LA locals come from satellite 103s transponders 19 & 21, right? Those signals for me are always high 90s if not 100%. I've been seeing this problem since I joined directv over a year ago, and I've been watching my locals on channels in the 390s instead since then. The channels in the 390s always work fine and it's a good alternative, but channel 5, 9 and 13 don't have alternatives. Luckily I don't watch much of anything on 5, 9 and 13. But everytime someone in the house tunes to 2 - 13 for the news or something and there's breakup, I'm reminded that I'm paying directv a bunch of money while having to settle for a workaround. So what's up with channel 2 - 13? Isn't this a known issue? Aren't they working on it?

[bmwtaxi]

I've been having major picture freeze ups on all local channels. CBS, ABC, NBC and Fox. But not on the local PBS channel. Is DirecTV acknowledging th eproblem and working on it?

[Stuart Sweet]

I have no information on that, and my LA locals were fine last night. I would look at your signal strengths. With the way the wind's been the last couple of weeks it might have knocked your dish out of alignment.

[SLICK1938]

Stuart:
Have you heard of any reason why we have lost the HD LA Locals, Channels 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, & 13, in the Twentynine Palms (92277)
area? All was fine until last night (Thursday), or at least that's when
I first noticed it. The SD version of those channels are available but not HD. I receive the west coast HD feeds on 391,393,397 & 399 without problems. Any thoughts?
Thanks.

[Stuart Sweet]

You should have those channels. You might try calling customer service or going through the troubleshooting steps at DIRECTV.com to refresh your services.

[SLICK1938]

Thanks, Stuart.
I did the refresh thing to no avail and called customer service, After speaking with 5 different folks, and repeating the problem to each,
I got a lady from South Dakota who tried to help but couldn't figure it out either. Anyway she said she would thoroughly document my call and pass it along to more experienced techs and to call back Monday if the problem wasn't resolved. We'll see.
Thanks again.

[SLICK1938]

Stuart, just to followup on the above.
The HD locals out of LA were out as mentioned in the 92277 area and
returned on Wednesday, 7 Oct. Still have not received an explanation from DirecTV on why they went out but all is well in the desert and, whatever happened, we now are able to receive all of the locals in HD including Channels 28 and 50 (PBS) that we were not receiving before the HD outage.
The DIRECTV Tech showed up Wednesday morning as scheduled and saw that all was well but took the time to replace the LNB, dish wiring, and connectors as they were getting old, and even took the time to align the dish to ensure maximum performance. There are some very fine service persons out there and this young man was a jewel.

[BillyBob_jcv]

I seem to have lost channel 4 - I was getting pixelation for a couple of days, but now it is just a black screen. Anyone else?

[texasbrit]

Other people have reported channels 2 and 4 are black screen - looks like a source issue, not your equipment...

[joerockt]

Same here, channels 2 and 4 only it seems for me.

[litzdog911]

Same here, channels 2 and 4 only it seems for me.

joe:
Saw your post at the DirecTV Forum. Your signal readings are too low from the HD satellites. And you're ~100 miles from LA, so you're likely just on the edge of the LA spot beams.

I wonder if that's the issue with other folks who've reported this problem .... far outside LA on the edge of the spotbeam with poor dish alignment.

[Wisegoat]

joe:
Saw your post at the DirecTV Forum. Your signal readings are too low from the HD satellites. And you're ~100 miles from LA, so you're likely just on the edge of the LA spot beams.

I wonder if that's the issue with other folks who've reported this problem .... far outside LA on the edge of the spotbeam with poor dish alignment.

The spot beams for LA are HUGE! I get reception as far northeast as Laughlin, Nevada and as far southeast as the California/Arizona/Mexican border. People have told me they have no problem getting them in Mammoth, and that is 400+ miles to the north.

[DodgerKing]

Is KLCS Channel 58-2 new to the Los Angeles HD lineup? I saw it for the first time last night. It was a 480i program (that filled the screen), however when I sorted by HD the channel was included.

FYI - My HR20 set to native/ pillar box
I have the same question. In the guide it is listed by the call letters (something only done with HD channels), and it has HD labels on the programs. Even Direct list this channel as an HD channel on their website, so should it be added?

[DodgerKing]

The spot beams for LA are HUGE! I get reception as far northeast as Laughlin, Nevada and as far southeast as the California/Arizona/Mexican border. People have told me they have no problem getting them in Mammoth, and that is 400+ miles to the north.

I get it in Mammoth.

BTW, Mammoth is closer to 300 miles away, not 400

[Wisegoat]

I have the same question. In the guide it is listed by the call letters (something only done with HD channels), and it has HD labels on the programs. Even Direct list this channel as an HD channel on their website, so should it be added?

Stations that multicast have the option of which channel they want DirecTV to carry. KLCS chose the .2 channel, IIRC, because that is the one that carries the local PBS for the Inland Empire. 58.1 is the regular PBS feed and is also not in HD. Not sure on that, as I am not home and cannot look at the guide at this time.

[Wisegoat]

I get it in Mammoth.

BTW, Mammoth is closer to 300 miles away, not 400

Seems like 400 miles at 3am on a Saturday morning when driving up there!

Seems like 4000 miles when coming home at 6pm on Sunday night.

God that is a long (but fun!) weekend.

:D

[trainman]

Stations that multicast have the option of which channel they want DirecTV to carry. KLCS chose the .2 channel, IIRC, because that is the one that carries the local PBS for the Inland Empire. 58.1 is the regular PBS feed and is also not in HD. Not sure on that, as I am not home and cannot look at the guide at this time.

Just for the record, Channel 24 (KVCR) is the Inland Empire PBS station -- it's completely separate from KLCS.

KLCS's 58-2 carries children's programming.

[DodgerKing]

You need to add KOCE 50 (PBS) to the LA HD channel list.

[DodgerKing]

Are we going to add Channel 50 KOCE HD to the first post?

[DodgerKing]

Please post broadcast issues with DIRECTV satellite delivered HD Local Channels only

DMA: Los Angeles, CA
Established: 1/1/2003
Rank: 2

HD Locals available in this DMA

ABC - KABC (7)
CBS - KCBS (2)
NBC - KNBC (4)
FOX - KTTV (11)
PBS - KCET (28)
CW - KTLA (5)
MNT - KCOP (13)
IND - KCAL (9)


For instructions, please visit this thread (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=137643)
PBS Channel 50 KOCE in HD

http://www.dbstalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21914&stc=1&d=1272554468

[DodgerKing]

You can also add KMEX 34 to the list now as well.

Now Direct carries 10 LA local channels in HD

http://www.dbstalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22061&stc=1&d=1273940988

[cts33fan]

KDOC 56 is now showing an HD tag, how do we get DTV to add the HD feed?

[Wisegoat]

KDOC 56 is now showing an HD tag, how do we get DTV to add the HD feed?

First time since CSU Fullerton was in March Madness and KDOC 56 was used as an overflow channel that I have seen any indication of HD on KDOC. I am seeing the HD tag in the OTA feed guide data for L&O: SVU. May have to check it out, just to see if it is true. I wouldn't hold my breath on it being on DirecTV anytime soon. KDOC just shows reruns and a few local shows like the Poorman's videos show and Wally George repeats. Nothing in HD. We shall see.

[HoTat2]

First time since CSU Fullerton was in March Madness and KDOC 56 was used as an overflow channel that I have seen any indication of HD on KDOC. I am seeing the HD tag in the OTA feed guide data for L&O: SVU. May have to check it out, just to see if it is true. I wouldn't hold my breath on it being on DirecTV anytime soon. KDOC just shows reruns and a few local shows like the Poorman's videos show and Wally George repeats. Nothing in HD. We shall see.

I understand that at least some programming from KDOC is broadcast in HD via direct studio feeds to Cox Cable and TWC. But not OTA as their spectrum is limited by lease agreements with the SEZMI service, and obviously nor is this feed being carried by DirecTV, Dish network or other MSOs at present for reasons to which I have no idea.

[Wisegoat]

First time since CSU Fullerton was in March Madness and KDOC 56 was used as an overflow channel that I have seen any indication of HD on KDOC. I am seeing the HD tag in the OTA feed guide data for L&O: SVU. May have to check it out, just to see if it is true. I wouldn't hold my breath on it being on DirecTV anytime soon. KDOC just shows reruns and a few local shows like the Poorman's videos show and Wally George repeats. Nothing in HD. We shall see.

I understand that at least some programming from KDOC is broadcast in HD via direct studio feeds to Cox Cable and TWC. But not OTA as their spectrum is limited by lease agreements with the SEZMI service, and obviously nor is this feed being carried by DirecTV, Dish network or other MSOs at present for reasons to which I have no idea.

So I checked it last night. On my OTA feed it is only 480i pillarboxed. Even during the L&O: SVU episode tagged as HD. If they are giving out an HD feed, it is not being done OTA. That is stupid and the FCC should take their license away for giving their spectrum to another company to send out unrelated content.

[HoTat2]

So I checked it last night. On my OTA feed it is only 480i pillarboxed. Even during the L&O: SVU episode tagged as HD. If they are giving out an HD feed, it is not being done OTA. That is stupid and the FCC should take their license away for giving their spectrum to another company to send out unrelated content.

I think the FCC rule is that a station is legally required to broadcast at least one free unencrypted SD channel. Beyond this minimum mandate however they are free to enter into agreements with any other OTA services like SEZMI for use of their spectrum.

And I would imagine that KDOC would argue their OTA bandwidth limitations aside, they would be more than happy to negotiate with other MSOs like DirecTV to broadcast their direct HD feed as Cox and TWC are doing.

But for a price of course .... ;)

[wooster11]

KCET Channel 28 was in HD just a few days ago and has now been broadcasting an SD feed for the last few days. The feed was having some issues. I would sometimes see a pink/purple vertical bar go across the screen from left to right. It did drop completely one day - I don't know how long as I just switched to my OTA feed.

Any idea if the HD feed will be coming back soon? I was interested in The Tenth Inning documentary but couldn't record it in HD as only SD was broadcast.

Update: Here's some more information that's interesting.

It appears to only be happening on one of my receivers.
I have an HR24-100 that will NOT show Channel 28 in HD.
The HD filter on the guide does NOT show channel 28 on this box.

I also have an H24-200 that does show Channel 28 in HD.
The HD filter on the guide does show Channel 28 on this box.

I'm not sure why it's only happening on once of my boxes and it appears to only be affecting this channel.
I've called DirecTV and they opened up with engineering.

I of course have reset my box several times and that hasn't worked.

If anyone has any ideas on a fix, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks!

[Wisegoat]

No ideas for you. I am having no problems with KCETHD via DirecTV. Dinosaur Train is in HD right now.

Make sure you have no guide filters on.
Make sure SD duplicates are turned off.
Enter 28 directly in the remote and see if it tunes to KCETHD or KCET (look in the upper left-hand corner)
Restart the receiver.
Call for Tech Support.

[Rob]

Directv needs to pick up KDOC in HD.

[Wisegoat]

Directv needs to pick up KDOC in HD.

Not worth the bandwidth. Nothing in HD. They had an overflow game in HD from March Madness on when CSU Northridge was playing a few years ago. Never seen anything since.

[Rob]

Not worth the bandwidth. Nothing in HD. They had an overflow game in HD from March Madness on when CSU Northridge was playing a few years ago. Never seen anything since.


HUH? They have Anaheim Ducks in HD, SEC Saturday morning football, Star Trek series in HD.

If you are talking about Over-The-Air KDOC, then you are right. The OTA signal is not in HD. KDOC has a HD feed to cable providers where there is HD programming. Directv can get in on this too.

[maartena]

Not worth the bandwidth. Nothing in HD. They had an overflow game in HD from March Madness on when CSU Northridge was playing a few years ago. Never seen anything since.

NHL Anaheim Ducks games are in HD. And they have the broadcast rights to at least 10 or 15 games each season.

I have to watch them in SD now :(

[w6fxj]

After switching from KCET to KOCE for PBS programming I have noticed this sound problem:

Dolby Digital is in the 5.1 mode full time. The front two channels are also fed to the two surround channels, causing the front channels to be heard just as loud from the rear speakers.

I made sure my audio system was set up to play Dolby Digital 5.1. Old KCET programs recorded last year play back Dolby Digital 5.1 just fine. Dolby Digital on other LA channels such as KCBS, KNBC, KABC work as they should. This problem only appears on KOCE. Since I live over the mountains in Barstow, I can NOT pick up KOCE-DT off the air.

Does anyone else in the LA area hear the same problem with DirecTV's KOCE channel 50?

[w6fxj]

I was finally able to reach Ken, of the KOCE Engineering department, on the telephone. He said they do not have the right Dolby Digital encoding equipment yet and have been transmitting psudo-5.1 by putting the front channels on the rear channels. He is trying to get management's permission to just use the two front channels until the 5.1 stuff is installed.

[maartena]

Okay... Anaheim Ducks NHL Playoffs are here.... and SD-Only KDOC has the broadcast rights for all of the home games. Anyone else majorly pissed off about that?

[Wisegoat]

Okay... Anaheim Ducks NHL Playoffs are here.... and SD-Only KDOC has the broadcast rights for all of the home games. Anyone else majorly pissed off about that?

Yeah, this guy who just moved from Newport Beach to Eugene, OR. I don't get the games at all!

[boogie]

KDOC-56 is now delivered in HD on DIRECTV

[maartena]

KDOC-56 is now delivered in HD on DIRECTV

DUDE!! Awesome news!

It's been live for about 3 weeks already apparently....But since I haven't watched all Ducks games as of late, I didn't notice!

Lets go DUCKS!

[dickiegreenlee]

Just discovered the HD feed of KDOC this afternoon for myself! I've had NWA Hollywood Wrestling (Saturdays at 4PM) as a Series Recording for months. I happened to be home today and when I turned to KDOC to watch live, it was the first time I'd seen it in HD, so I guess my series recording had still been set to the SD feed for the last 5/6 weeks. Nice surprise!