Somthing to ponder...

[Roger]

Once we get the new 30,000 "coalition" troops (mostly and/or ALL ours) into Iraq and once the war for Baghdad happens and we happen to get bogged down, then what if N Korea moves towards the south and China invades Taiwan? This nation would be done for and wide-opened to attack let alone humiliation. This economy would be over too since the world will probably not accept our dollars anymore.

I heard 100% unconfirmed rumors that Baghdad is a booby trap and that they four nukes bought from Kazakhstan and they will commit nuclear suicide once our troops move in. Where would that leave us if our best are vaporized?
What if they use chemical or biological weapons instead? Would we be any better off? Oh, BTW, the booby trap about the 4 nukes is the only part that is rumored. Many believe that Baghdad is bobby trapped one way or another.

Do you support this war? The question I always ask people is... is this war worth your son or daughters life?
The ratings sure go down when YOUR family is involved. There use to be a law where only land owners could vote. Perhaps we should leave public opinion to those who have family fighting in the war? Let’s see... at last count there was only ONE person in Congress that had ANY family in the military so it would be easy for these jerks to support it. No personal lost for these ******** and supporting it will probably line their pockets.

So far this war has been a blunder. Only 300,000 troops where probably only 50-60k are fighting troops while the others are probably nothing but support personnel. We had like 1 million troops during the last war and that was only to get them out of Kuwait.

IMO, this was an ill-advised, poorly planned war or was this on purpose? A war to make America look like the evil world aggressor while making the rest of the world run to the UN which makes this a good cop, bad cop scenario? A scenario that will destroy the USA (seventh head?) while putting the rest of the world under o one world order?


Gary Hart stated that we will go to Code Red very soon and if he stated that, put it in the bank. I cry for America and the coming tyranny.

Edited for content. ND

[firephoto]

We already have 90,000 troops in Iraq.

Glad it wasn't a 99% unconfirmed rumor.

I support this war.

Those "nothing but support troops" are THE MOST IMPORTANT PART of the mission!!!!

Gary who?

[Roger]

"We already have 90,000 troops in Iraq."

Please read the above again. No, read the below which is a quote from above:
"So far this war has been a blunder. Only 300,000 troops where probably only 50-60k are fighting troops while the others are probably nothing but support personnel."

Where do you get your 90K number?

[Roger]

Is 90K from the above 300k or are we on different wave lengths?

[Roger]

"Gary who?"


Gary Hart! A NWO shaker who predicted the terror attacks in advance because he has inside info because he's a policy maker for the Council of Foreign Relations. This is the guy who ran for president when he whored around with Jessica Hawn when we had standards before Clinton was in office.

Every American must read this: RED ALERT!!!!!!!!

Gary Hart: Code Red is coming

By William Jackson
GCN Staff

The war with Iraq has increased the risk of a terrorist attack on America, said former Sen. Gary Hart, who now is co-chairman of the Commission on National Security for the 21st Century.

“Don’t be surprised if in the coming hours or days we go to Code Red,” Hart said this morning in Washington. “It is almost inevitable.”

Hart was part of a panel of experts gathered by George Washington University and webMethods Inc. of Fairfax, Va., to discuss the role of technology in national security.

The commission predicted in 1999 that America would suffer a major terrorist attack, ***because they planned it***** and Hart was predicting such an attack as late as early September 2001. He said the present administration wasted valuable time in setting up a homeland security agency, which the commission recommended in January 2001.

****This proves that Homeland Security was not a reaction to 9/11 since this was planned since at least 1993!!! That’s right, 1993!!!!!!******

The Sept. 11 attacks “were not Pearl Harbor,” he said. “America was warned.” Despite the attention to terrorism since then, “the country is not today prepared for retaliatory terrorist attacks.”

**** The “Pearl Harbor” is soon to come my friends and this government will be able to blame it on whomever they please since they have so many enemies” ******

The panelists included former Clinton administration national security adviser Sandy Berger; former CIA director James Woolsey; Mark Forman, the Office of Management and Budget’s associate director for IT and e-government; and former Virginia Gov. James Gilmore, now chairman of the National Advisory Commission on Terrorism. All agreed that for technology to be effective in national security there must be integration between federal agencies, and between federal, state and local governments.

But several panelists warned of such integration becoming a threat to privacy and civil liberties. There is an inevitable conflict between liberty and security, Woolsey said, and in time of war, liberty generally loses.**** The founding fathers would hang these ******** so why don’t we?****** He added that although use of tools such as the data mining applications to be developed in the Total Information Awareness program will have to be closely watched, “We have to find ways to make use of generally available information.”

***Give me liberty or give me death! This is all planned as Gary Hart predicted. Not to mention that Asscroft tried to ram through
many of the provisions of the “Patriot Act” while he was Senator until he lost the election to a dead person in Bogy’s neck of the woods. The bottom line is that none of this was a response to the 9/11 terror attacks but a reason that they created to push this agenda through. If any of you have a memory... these ******** rammed down legislation that let China into the WTO just two days after the attacks. What do you think about that? What are they passing now since this war is a diversion?******


Gilmore said there has not been enough public debate about the costs of improved security.

“We have an obligation to think about the uses of technology and to think about what applications we want and what applications we don’t want,” he said.

***Hart says we’re going to code red so prepare for a major attack soon.***

I’m sorry to break this bad news.

Edited for content.. ND

[JBKing]

And where do you get that so far this war has been a 'blunder'?

Must be Friday......

[Roger]

"And where do you get that so far this war has been a 'blunder'?"

We haven't been doing as well as our media and government has led us to believe and John Corn just posted that many more like 100K more trrops are being called up.

I’m an amateur and I do mean amateur military strategist and see the holes through this crap plan. We can’t win. At least in public opinion world-wide. If we go into Baghdad, then precision weapons are out the door when it comes door to door or house to house fighting and many will die on both sides assuming Baghdad isn’t booby trapped. I hear that the civilians (one million) of Iraq are armed along with the militia, regular troops let alone the Republican Guard. It will be ugly I’m afraid.

[angiodan]

Originally posted by Roger
[BIf we go into Baghdad, then precision weapons are out the door when it comes door to door or house to house fighting and many will die on both sides assuming Baghdad isn’t booby trapped. I hear that the civilians (one million) of Iraq are armed along with the militia, regular troops let alone the Republican Guard. It will be ugly I’m afraid. [/B]

Roger, this is the probably the most accurate thing you have said in a long time, and one of the few times I have to agree with you.

[tampa8]

What if we can't win at Normandy, what if they bomb London day after day after day, what if we challenge the Soviet Union about missiles into Cuba, what if, what if, what if.

There is one and one only "What if" - that is, "What if we do nothing." History is repleat with the answer to that question. Our Government has one overriding requirement, to protect the citizens. That means now and for the future. It certainly has no authority to appease another Nation at risk of our security. If you believe our Government is lying about the threat to us then say that, argue that. Past that point, the "What ifs" don't matter. The fact that you would consider the threat of a nuclear attack on our troops to be possible should be telling you we better take care of this now.

[Richard King]

Once we get the new 30,000 "coalition" troops (mostly and/or ALL ours) into Iraq We have 90,000 in Iraq now. The balance of about 300,000 are in staging points in the area. Many more are moving into the area on a daily basis. Must be Friday again.

[Roger]

Rking wrote:

"We have 90,000 in Iraq now. The balance of about 300,000 are in staging points in the area. Many more are moving into the area on a daily basis. Must be Friday again."

So... it looks like I underestimated the fighting force by 20K when I made the post or unless all of the 90K are not fighting troops less support?

[firephoto]

If you can't fuel your Abrams tank up with diesel then you can't fight very good with it. If you don't have the person that drives the truck that brings you more food, water, and ammo then YOU can't fight very good. If the people that repair and service the equipment aren't there then you can't fight very good!

90,000 troops (used as a general term) are in Iraq now. Just because some, or a majority of them aren't shooting people doesn't mean they aren't part of the effort!

[Roger]

"90,000 troops (used as a general term) are in Iraq now. Just because some, or a majority of them aren't shooting people doesn't mean they are part of the effort!"

Back off. I never said anything about supporting troops being bad or whatever the hell you're insinuating. I asked for the number of fighting troops because I wanted to know the number without knowing the number for my own information.

[gcutler]

Originally posted by Roger
Back off.

Like This?

[James_F]

Repeat alert!!!!

[gcutler]

Originally posted by James_F
Repeat alert!!!!

No that was a different picture, but the same outfit. The other one she was sitting down.

http://www.adoredcelebrities.com/charlize_theron/gallery1.html

Older pic was #1, this pic was #4

[James_F]

Come on, there are lots more babes than just her....

http://www.surfermag.com/images/gallery/511004.jpg

[gcutler]

Originally posted by James_F
Come on, there are lots more babes than just her....

We all have our favorites, when the appropriate Charlize pics are no longer there, I think Hally Berry will be my next draftee???

[Danny R]

Someone is reading a few too many tabloids, and I include the www.americanfreedomnews.com website as one of them!

[Roger]

Originally posted by Danny R
Someone is reading a few too many tabloids, and I include the www.americanfreedomnews.com website as one of them!

Tabloid? This site is not much more than a "hub" to mainstream stories around the world and if you would have actually investigated it, then you wouldn't look like such an ass with your post.

I see where you are coming from by attacking the messenger and not the message because you can't.

[Karl Foster]

Originally posted by Roger
[B
We haven't been doing as well as our media and government has led us to believe and John Corn just posted that many more like 100K more trrops are being called up.


[/B]

Just to clear things up a little. The 4th Infantry Division and their support elements in the Air Force have been "called up" for quite some time. They were originally supposed to sent through Turkey. Since Turkey backed out of supporting the US, these troops were left at their home station (Ft. Hood and other reserve facilities) until their equipment arrived in Kuwait on ships to be offloaded. Those 36 ships are to arrive in Kuwait City any time now, and the 4th ID will soon follow.

So to say that 100K are being "called up" is inaccurate. They have been on 24 hr mobilization (meaning they can be called up and gone in a 24 hr period) since January. Just because they aren't in theater doesn't mean they aren't ready to go. It isn't that long of a flight from Waco to Kuwait City. They were supposed to be in theater already, so they aren't being "added" to the strength in a panic or anything like that.

[RichW]

While I think Roger is a bit too paranoid about the NWO boogeymen, a lot of the concerns he raises should be taken seriously. Yes, our incursion into Iraq on the basis of our own security could also be use by China to "liberate" Taiwan. Iactually don't think that N Korea will do anything as drastic, since we still have troops stationed there and would provoke a response from the US - we still have cruise missles in our stockpile. It is ironic, though, that both North AND South Korea want us out of Iraq - for different reasons.
However, my biggest fear is what we are going to have to do after we win the "war" with Saddam. How do we maintain our presence and influence in a country where at least two-thirds of the people don't like us. Underground, guerrilla warfare will be the name of teh game after the fall of Baghdad.

[Danny R]

This site is not much more than a "hub" to mainstream stories around the world and if you would have actually investigated it, then you wouldn't look like such an ass with your post.

Look up the definition of tabloid. You'll see that one is "lurid or sensational."

I did investigate it, along with some of the other sources you are posting recently. Who cares if its a hub or not. If they choose to point to stupid, undocumented sources with sensational headlines I might find in the Enquirer then they are a tabloid.

Lets see: Headlines for yesterday. "Woe unto the inhabitants of the Earth, This Storm is From God, Is World War III on the Horizon"

"Russia will NOT allow Bush's New World Order to take over"

Also they have a special topic for "Plagues and Judgements". Thats not a bit sensational of a header to discuss various epidemics and the like?

In the special reports we find that North Korea has shot a missile at Alaska. Their proof? ''According to a U.S. document, the last piece of a missile warhead fired by North Korea was found in Alaska", former Japanese foreign minister Taro Nakayama was quoted as saying in the report. The reporter writing this story should look up the definition of hearsay. The writer felt no need to actually publish the letter that offered this proof I guess.

U.S. Vice President Cheney and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld linked to "murder of C.I.A. scientist"

"Was Robert Kennedy's assassin Brainwashed?"

"Russian economist says September 11 attacks organized by wealthy cabal seeking world government!"

An article on West Nile is described as "A comprehensive investigation into the origins of a potential biological weapon released in the U.S.A."

Oh no... I'm sorry, you are right. No tabloid journalism here.

Heh heh, he called me an ass.

[waydwolf]

Let me get this straight... the same species that gave us Carrot Top, arguments over Brittney Spears' boobies, and web journals where angsty thirteen year olds from upper class homes can wax emo over Radiohead is capable of a New World Order?

I don't farking think so!

Have you seen the intelligence levels out there? As far as conspiracies of plans go, most people on this rock are in the produce section of IQ Land. They can barely conspire to throw surprise parties or cheat without getting caught, never mind rule the world.

We have a better chance of a lab mouse and his retarded companion taking over than fellow talking monkeys.

[Jacob S]

I agree with the fact that there may be an issue of keeping it under a democracy once we win this war, because we have to really wonder if we have won or not if we cannot keep control of things over there. We cannot keep doing this year and year or every so often so soon, but keep things in control and we may have other countries try to fight after we are done with our plan to cause problems as well.

Expect the unexpected.

[AJ2086]

Roger, do you even have a satellite system or are you just registered here to be the resident lunatic?