NFL ST Superfan -1 channels why?

[hoyty76]

Why are the HD channels listed as -1 and not listed with same channel number as a normal simulcast HD channel? I ask since this causes both channels to show up in guide even when hide SD duplicates is turned on. Anyone know if this going to change next week?

[jsquash]

This is because if someone has ST but no Superfan and has hide sd duplicates on, then they can still see the sd channels and this is most likely the way it will stay all season.

[bonscott87]

Because those that don't get Superfan and have SD duplicates turned off would see no Sunday Ticket channels at all. Thus why the -1.

I always make a custom favorite list for Sunday games anyway so it doesn't matter to me.

[hoyty76]

This is because if someone has ST but no Superfan and has hide sd duplicates on, then they can still see the sd channels and this is most likely the way it will stay all season.

That makes sense I suppose. However why not leave it the way it was last year with the HD channels being separate from the SD so if you are channel surfing you don't have to mix and mingle.

I guess since they are less of us with Superfan and it is easier to inconvience us rather than the rest of the people with hide dup on. However still annoying.

[DCSholtis]

Uncheck the -1 channels so you don't see them. There aren't that many. Problem solved.

[talbain]

i think this -1 way is perfect.

[ProfLonghair]

except I have two extra buttons to rpess on the remote. It's not the end of the world, but it is a minor inconvenience.

[bonscott87]

Custom favorite list with just the game channels and the blue button mini guide are your friend. :)

[TimGoodwin]

I just setup my Custom 2 button for all the HD games each Sunday.

[braven]

I just setup my Custom 2 button for all the HD games each Sunday.



As did I.

Yesterday was my first taste of the NFLST and SF. It was absolute football Nivana. I will never go without it again.

[d max82]

I've always wondered why the Strikezone channel and game mix channel for MLB EI used the -1 for HD, The explaination make sence.

I'd have to question how many people have H20 series or high recievers without superfan though

[JoeTheDragon]

Why are the RSN over flows and the BIG ten over flows the same way?

[kevinwmsn]

Easier fix, DirectTV needs to get rid of the Superfan requirement to get HD versions of the games. It would be nice if were just HD Access to get games in HD.

[short]

Custom favorite list with just the game channels and the blue button mini guide are your friend. :)

:righton: I've used a custom favorite list for Sunday Ticket every year. I put all the ST channels plus my local CBS and FOX affiliates in that list. Sunday at 1:00 p.m. (Eastern), I switch to that list and use it until the afternoon games are over. I like switching between games and that's the easiest and fastest method I've found.

[dtv757]

i think -1 are temporary GAME ONLY channels.
that why some of the RSN's are 6xx-1 cause only the games are HD its not a 24/7 HD network.

they started this with the NBA MP4 games last year all HD games were 7xx-1
same with NHL
then with MLB EI 2008 and now NFL ST 08

[bonscott87]

:righton: I've used a custom favorite list for Sunday Ticket every year. I put all the ST channels plus my local CBS and FOX affiliates in that list. Sunday at 1:00 p.m. (Eastern), I switch to that list and use it until the afternoon games are over. I like switching between games and that's the easiest and fastest method I've found.

Yep, me too. I remember doing it on my old ancient Hughes E86. :D

I print out the list of games provided here and figure out which games my locals are one. Then I edit the NFL favorite list to include my locals, Mix, RZC and the ST channels other then the games that are on my locals. I don't include afternoon games. That way I have pure games and can easily use channel up/channel down and always go to a game.

Then the afternoon games come and I edit the favorite list again, remove all early game channels including the local that doesn't have the double header and add in the afternoon game channels only. This is where I really love the game still going while I'm doing all this.

Heck, back a few years ago I used to program my old MX-500 for NFL every Sunday, adding a couple favorite pages for each set of games so all i had to do was press the button labeled "Bears" to go to the Bears game.

Yes, I'm an NFL geek. :)

[ProfLonghair]

Custom lists are only useful if you are giong from channel to channel to channel, or, if you use a guide (big or mini). But, going from 705-1 to 709-1 is several extra buttons. Or, my lcoal Fox is Channel 28, and from there to 705-1 like I had to do yesterday, requires several guide pages, or, the two extra buttons. I think it's just a nuisance, it was so much better last year when they were on seperate channels altogether. Ditto on the RSNs, I hate the -1 suffix.

THe problem here is, that's not the way locals work. My lcoal HD is the same number as the SD, and hide SD duplicates takes care of that. I don't understand the discrepancy here.

[bonscott87]

Custom lists are only useful if you are giong from channel to channel to channel, or, if you use a guide (big or mini). But, going from 705-1 to 709-1 is several extra buttons. Or, my lcoal Fox is Channel 28, and from there to 705-1 like I had to do yesterday, requires several guide pages, or, the two extra buttons. I think it's just a nuisance, it was so much better last year when they were on seperate channels altogether. Ditto on the RSNs, I hate the -1 suffix.

Hey, it can't all work for everyone. I use the blue button mini guide *a lot* during ST. Also will pull up the full guide from time to time and usually just one or two page up/dn will almost cycle the guide around back on itself. But hey, not everyone watches the games the same way.

THe problem here is, that's not the way locals work. My lcoal HD is the same number as the SD, and hide SD duplicates takes care of that. I don't understand the discrepancy here.

It's already been posted a couple times why.
Say you have Sunday Ticket but you don't get Superfan (thus no HD games). You have hide SD duplicates on. Thus the SD games are hidden and you only see the HD games (which you can't get). Thus you'd need to show SD duplicates to actually get the SD games in your guide to be able to watch. This is the problem.
So by doing the -1 channels for HD this solves that problem since hiding SD duplicates will not hide the SD games since the HD games are not the same channel number.

[Kansas Zephyr]

THe problem here is, that's not the way locals work. My lcoal HD is the same number as the SD, and hide SD duplicates takes care of that. I don't understand the discrepancy here.
If you use OTA, then yes locals do work that way.

To watch KAKE off-air, it's 10-1 on the remote.

[ProfLonghair]

Yeah, I understand, it's as much preference as anything, but having seperate channels altogether (like last year) would satisfy every taste, IMHO.

It's not the end of the world. It's not like I'm not going to watch because of it. I'm not going to watch because my team has already given up. :(

[evan_s]

Custom lists are only useful if you are giong from channel to channel to channel, or, if you use a guide (big or mini). But, going from 705-1 to 709-1 is several extra buttons. Or, my lcoal Fox is Channel 28, and from there to 705-1 like I had to do yesterday, requires several guide pages, or, the two extra buttons. I think it's just a nuisance, it was so much better last year when they were on seperate channels altogether. Ditto on the RSNs, I hate the -1 suffix.

THe problem here is, that's not the way locals work. My lcoal HD is the same number as the SD, and hide SD duplicates takes care of that. I don't understand the discrepancy here.

The reason is what the receivers a capable of handling. Since HD isn't automatically part of the sunday ticket it's possible for someone to have sunday ticket and not have the HD versions of the channels even tho they have an hd receiver and the Hd access normal. If they had the same channel number it would cause these customers problems when they have hide SD dupes turned on. I don't remember if they wouldn't see a channel at all or if they would try to access the hd channel and get the not an authorized channel message with no easy way to access the sd channel but the receivers aren't currently intelligent enough to handle this situation. Sat racer posted that this was the cause of the -1 channels for sunday ticket.

[ProfLonghair]

The reason is what the receivers a capable of handling. Since HD isn't automatically part of the sunday ticket it's possible for someone to have sunday ticket and not have the HD versions of the channels even tho they have an hd receiver and the Hd access normal. If they had the same channel number it would cause these customers problems when they have hide SD dupes turned on. I don't remember if they wouldn't see a channel at all or if they would try to access the hd channel and get the not an authorized channel message with no easy way to access the sd channel but the receivers aren't currently intelligent enough to handle this situation. Sat racer posted that this was the cause of the -1 channels for sunday ticket.

I must have missed that post. That makes some sense, but again, all would be circumvented if the HD had entirely different channels, like they did last year. Like, 705 for the SD game, and the same game in HD on 718. That's how the last few years worked.

[tonyd79]

I must have missed that post. That makes some sense, but again, all would be circumvented if the HD had entirely different channels, like they did last year. Like, 705 for the SD game, and the same game in HD on 718. That's how the last few years worked.

Which is totally inconsistent with all the other HD/SD channels on DirecTV these days. (MLB, BTN alternates, NHL, NBA, MLS are all done this way as well as all part time HD RSNs.)

I prefer the -1 method. Only one channel number to know and it is easy to tell what is SD and what is HD. I *hated* the dual range prior to this year.

[sdicomp]

Easier fix, DirectTV needs to get rid of the Superfan requirement to get HD versions of the games. It would be nice if were just HD Access to get games in HD.

I AGREE!!

[ProfLonghair]

Which is totally inconsistent with all the other HD/SD channels on DirecTV these days. (MLB, BTN alternates, NHL, NBA, MLS are all done this way as well as all part time HD RSNs.)

I prefer the -1 method. Only one channel number to know and it is easy to tell what is SD and what is HD. I *hated* the dual range prior to this year.

Sure, it's a consistency issue, but I don't like that on any channel. Maybe it's jsut me (since I appear to be the clear minority, at least on this thread). Maybe I'm just simple. But, when I dial into ESPN, it's 206, in HD or SD. When I want STO, it's 660 (or whatever, I forget the new number) when I'm on the SD receivers, but it's 660-1 when I'm in the rooms with HD. I understand how the hide SD supes will bugger it all up when you don't have Superfan (debating with HD access is all over in other threads). It seems the policy is not ALL other channels, but only the part time ones, have the -1 (and subchannels for OTA, but again, that's different).

Either way, I've made my opinion known, and it seems I won't get my way since

1) they won't change it mid year
B) I'm clearly in the minority

No big deal. Since this is about the only complaint I have, I'd say things are pretty good.

[dcowboy7]

Either way, I've made my opinion known, and it seems I won't get my way since

1) they won't change it mid year
B) I'm clearly in the minority


i dont like the (-1) either.

[tonyd79]

Well, I would prefer that the same number worked for both SD and HD but they couldn't do that, so I prefer the -1 to another range that is difficult to remember and make sense of like previous years.

[ProfLonghair]

Well, I would prefer that the same number worked for both SD and HD but they couldn't do that, so I prefer the -1 to another range that is difficult to remember and make sense of like previous years.

Meh. To each his own.

But, nice to see I'm not alone in my own

[jrodfoo]

Because those that don't get Superfan and have SD duplicates turned off would see no Sunday Ticket channels at all. Thus why the -1.

I always make a custom favorite list for Sunday games anyway so it doesn't matter to me.

yeah I started doing that last year. It makes it much much easier.

[SDizzle]

I prefer the -1, that way you don't have to jump so much....the SD version of a certain game would be on 705, but the HD version on 721 in years past....was a pain.