FCC Approves E-8 Move to 77 W

[Bill R]

Plans were to start moving Echostar 8 (at 110) to the 77 degree slot this week. HOWEVER, the FCC has not approved that move yet so it remains at 110. I have not been able to find out what is holding up the approval to move Echostar 8. Has anyone heard or read anything?

[spear61]

Plans were to start moving Echostar 8 (at 110) to the 77 degree slot this week. HOWEVER, the FCC has not approved that move yet so it remains at 110. I have not been able to find out what is holding up the approval to move Echostar 8. Has anyone heard or read anything?n

Delay was probably caused by modification request Dish resubmitted in late July. They had cut a deal with Quetzsat to operate it as a US licensed satellite and thought they had approval from Cofetel and had applied for FCC permit with those terms. Subsequently, Cofetel informed Quetzsat that they would lose their concession for 77 if they did not maintain a Mexican licensed satellite at that location. So, then Dish submitted the mod request to change E8 to Mexican license. Should not be a problem since 77 and 129 both are presently operating that way. Just slowed things down a bit.

[simulated]

File Number = SATSTA2008090300164;

Description: EchoStar Satellite Operating L.L.C. requests authority to maintain the EchoStar 8 satellite at 109.8 W.L. as an in-orbit spare for an additional 30 days. Please see attached narrative.

http://licensing.fcc.gov/ibfsweb/ib.page.FetchAttachment?attachment_key=-153224

[tkrandall]

File Number = SATSTA2008090300164;

Description: EchoStar Satellite Operating L.L.C. requests authority to maintain the EchoStar 8 satellite at 109.8 W.L. as an in-orbit spare for an additional 30 days. Please see attached narrative.

http://licensing.fcc.gov/ibfsweb/ib.page.FetchAttachment?attachment_key=-153224

Does the delay in the move to 77W mean additional Eastern Arc markets (like Atlanta) will also be delayed? I am assuming 77W is where the few Atlanta SD only locals will go, and in this case an others that no 77W for now will hold up the EA market launches.

[simulated]

Does the delay in the move to 77W mean additional Eastern Arc markets (like Atlanta) will also be delayed? I am assuming 77W is where the few Atlanta SD only locals will go, and in this case an others that no 77W for now will hold up the EA market launches.

I have no idea, I just figured dish was covering their bums while they wait for approval to do the big move.

[rocatman]

This approval is only for moving the satellite. A separate FCC approval is needed for Dish to provide programming from E-8 at 77 W. Here is the FCC website address:


http://licensing.fcc.gov/ibfsweb/ib.page.FetchAttachment?attachment_key=663851

[tkrandall]

that's good news for the eastern arc.

Also, I noticed the filing also says that E-8 at 77w will use up to all 32 DBS channels to provide DBS service to the United States. I had not heard of potentially all 32 being used for US service.

[James Long]

Good news indeed.

[Aransay]

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[tkrandall]

So, is E-8 on the move?

[Aransay]

no ehyc ant mvoe it until they trnfer echsoatr 8 anioanality o emxican o quetzat 77 west owners


aslo jut notice that ehcostar 8 quility adn strnegh have ebn reduced today

SYILL WITING TO EAT TEST ECH DISH EMXICO SERVCIE,A NYOEN THAT CAN EHLP I WELCOME

[harsh]

So, is E-8 on the move?The latest TLE says no.

[tkrandall]

any idea what the hold up is?

[harsh]

Echostar 8 appears to be moving east at this time according to the latest TLE.

ECHOSTAR 8
1 27501U 02039A 08263.47353995 -.00000071 00000-0 10000-3 0 2607
2 27501 000.0502 266.2693 0003350 260.9271 252.5580 01.00325023 22306

[Aransay]

hoyameny day ti woudletke to eho8 torive to 77 west

[spear61]

hoyameny day ti woudletke to eho8 torive to 77 west


they moved E6 at 2 degrees per day.

[Bill R]

E-8 should be at 77 W sometime during (or shortly before) the first week in October. They still need permission to provide service from that bird to the U.S. but, if everything goes as expected, we should see some channels (locals ?) added to that satellite in October.

[Aransay]

bil do yoau ahce any new news about the start of oerptiosn in mexico

the chanensl at echostar 4 are now al scrmbel in nagrda 2 mpg2

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[Bill R]

Bill, do you have any new news about the start of operation in Mexico?



Aransay,

I haven't heard anything lately. The last RUMOR I heard is "sometime in the fall of 2008". Fall starts Monday so maybe we will hear something soon.

[harsh]

According to the latest TLE, not until March 18th. It is moving painfully slowly.

ECHOSTAR 8
1 27501U 02039A 08264.63741928 -.00000077 00000-0 00000+0 0 2626
2 27501 000.0490 268.9790 0002895 244.9838 326.1897 01.00329804 22314

[Aransay]

thx bill any fino si evry ehlpfull in myc ase the sem anything im ntocie iw old tel ypu inemdialy

[Bill R]

According to the latest TLE, not until March 18th. It is moving painfully slowly.



March 18th? That can't be correct.

[harsh]

March 18th? That can't be correct.If you run a simulation on the elset I provided, that's when it gets to 77W.

I'm using the current version of Orbitron.

[Bill R]

Harsh,

I'm not saying that your projection is wrong (based on the data that the site is giving you). I'm saying that DISH plans on having the satellite at 77 degrees LONG before March 18th (almost 6 months from now). Maybe they plan another rocket firing (to speed it up) but, as I said, plans are to have it at 77 degrees next month (October, 2008).

[harsh]

I'm saying that DISH plans on having the satellite at 77 degrees LONG before March 18th (almost 6 months from now). Maybe they plan another rocket firing (to speed it up) but, as I said, plans are to have it at 77 degrees next month (October, 2008).More than likely they do plan on getting it there sooner, but the current trajectory needs to be modified substantially. The latest two efforts at changing the orbit have been "conservative".

[James Long]

DISH needs to take it easy so they can get E8 there in one piece with fuel to stop. It will get there.

[Aransay]

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[harsh]

New TLE today:

ECHOSTAR 8
1 27501U 02039A 08267.49689417 -.00000098 00000-0 00000+0 0 2631
2 27501 000.0428 268.6711 0002761 276.1046 248.4386 01.00352979 22346

The new trajectory puts it at 77W on January 15th. That's two weeks before the AT&T contract extension expires.

[Aransay]

what retaklion ahs att with ehcostr 8 at 77 west

[harsh]

This newer TLE gets us there on December 21st.

ECHOSTAR 8
1 27501U 02039A 08268.31947237 -.00000104 00000-0 00000+0 0 2649
2 27501 000.0427 269.4572 0003352 283.7848 177.2205 01.00372176 22351

[harsh]

what retaklion ahs att with ehcostr 8 at 77 westNo real relationship. Just finishing up the Eastern Arc.

Whether or not DISH can follow through on their plans may be holding up a final AT&T decision.

[harsh]

New TLE puts E8 at about 102W now and on path for 77W on November 1st.

ECHOSTAR 8
1 27501U 02039A 08277.50529936 -.00000143 00000-0 00000+0 0 2735
2 27501 000.0392 274.0909 0003583 241.6179 296.5804 01.00513861 22442

[HDRoberts]

Too bad, they missed Directv 10. Maybe they can take aim at Directv 8 or Directv 11.:D

[rocatman]

Title says it all. This should get approved quite quickly. Filing states the E-8 satellite is moving about 0.7 degrees per day and will get to 77 W in early November. Here is the FCC website address:

http://licensing.fcc.gov/ibfsweb/ib.page.FetchAttachment?attachment_key=-154831

[tkrandall]

slowly so as to save manuevering fuel for later?

[rocatman]

slowly so as to save manuevering fuel for later?

There could be two factors here. One is future manuevering since a new satellite is suppose to be launched to 77 W in the 2010/2011 timeframe so the E-8 satellite will most proably be moved elsewhere after that. The second factor is that the FCC has not approved the operation of the E-8 satellite at 77 W and Dish knows that the earilest they will get approval is a date let's say in late October so why rush the move.

[HDRoberts]

Also, I imagine if Ciel 2 were to fail to make it, E8 would be the logical choice to replace E5. I wonder if much will be put on E8 until Dish is sure Ciel-2 made it and isn't stricken by huge failures. The won't know that until early December.

[Aransay]

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[JohnH]

Latest TLE puts it at 77w about Wednesday October 29th. It has slowed down. May be an indication of only being in enough hurry to get there as soon as approval is obtained.

ECHOSTAR 8
1 27501U 02039A 08298.62432723 -.00000258 00000-0 00000+0 0 2881
2 27501 000.0372 287.6074 0004847 338.0110 272.9442 01.00451394 22654

[Bill R]

Latest TLE puts it at 77w about Wednesday October 29th.

I expect that we will see some test signals on Echostar 8 before the end of October or very early in November. It will be interesting to see if they use the spotbeams on E*8. The satellite's spotbeams were not designed for 77 and I don't know how adjustable they are but it may allow DISH to fill in a few holes that they have in the midwest for local HD markets.

[Aransay]

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[Bill R]

Aransay,

From what I understand from your post I think that you are saying that DISH Mexico is on hold. I had not heard that and I scanned all the news sources and did not see anything about that. We get very little information on services in Mexico and it is likely that a press release would be in Spanish so I might have missed it.

[Aransay]

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Im trying toif in info with my epsonal socue at quetzats i a diona antiyhing iw dl alwatys codmunciate it gladly

La empresa conjunta de MVS Multivisión y EchoStar para rivalizar con Sky (Directv Holding), nacerá por escisión en 45 días, su nombre Dish México Holdings ¿Y Telmex?

Después de la etapa de coqueteo y noviazgo que requirió más de un año, MVS Multivisión decidió crear una nueva empresa que llevará el nombre de su socio Dish Network, unidad de EchoStar Communications Corporation, uno de los principales proveedores de televisión vía satélite o DTH en EU, servicio que en México domina Sky por no tener competencia. Pero ya no sera mas asi.

Para reforzar su nuevo proyecto , Multivisión, un grupo que participa en los negocios de televisión de paga, radio, editorial, acceso a Internet, y restaurantes a través de Corporación Mexicana de Restaurantes (CMR), agregará a Telmex, el gigante de las telecomunicaciones propiedad de Carlos Slim Helú. Y al entrar Carlos Slim, cambia el panorama de esa competencia para Sky.

“Es una alianza entre tres. Va Telmex, MVS y EchoStar para lanzar en el mercado mexicano un sistema de televisión directa al hogar vía satélite, con una tarifa muy competitiva respecto a la única opción que hay el mercado actualmente”, explicó una persona cercana a las negociaciones.

“Telmex llevaría la parte de cobranza y comercialización. MVS estará con la parte de estudios, grabación y base de suscriptores. Dish pone una buena parte de la tecnológica”, explicó.


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[Aransay]

Two Line Element Set (TLE):


1 27501U 02039A 08298.62432723 -.00000258 00000-0 00000+0 0 2881
2 27501 000.0372 287.6074 0004847 338.0110 272.9442 01.00451394 22654

More details about ECHOSTAR 8

[Stephen J]

Also, I imagine if Ciel 2 were to fail to make it, E8 would be the logical choice to replace E5. I wonder if much will be put on E8 until Dish is sure Ciel-2 made it and isn't stricken by huge failures. The won't know that until early December.

Wouldn't it make more sense to move E8 back to 110, and move E11 to 129, since E11 has the ability to be effective from any orbital slot. E8 was designed to be used at 110, and will not work as well at 77.

I realize that this is all hypothetical, and hopefully won't need to be explored.

[harsh]

E11 lacks the desired spotbeam capability.

[Stephen J]

E11 lacks the desired spotbeam capability.

But would E8s spotbeams work at 77 or 129? At least with E11 they will have solid CONUS transponders that will work better than E8s would at 129. It's like how E5 doesn't work perfectly at 129 because it was'nt designed to work their.

[Bill R]

Spot beams are MUCH more critical than national beams. Generally a satellite can be "adjusted" so that the nation beams are usable from a different slot than what the satellite was designed for. That is not so with spot beams. While some of the newer satellites (I don't know about E*8) have steerable spot beams there is a limit of how far (or fine) they can be adjusted. We will just have to wait and see what DISH does with E*8. I'm sure that they have done some computer simulations and have a good idea of what E*8's footprint (national and spot beams) will be from 77 degrees but until the satellite is there and they have some real data from various parts of the U.S. they won't know EXACTLY what to expect from E*8.

[rocatman]

Spot beams are MUCH more critical than national beams. Generally a satellite can be "adjusted" so that the nation beams are usable from a different slot than what the satellite was designed for. That is not so with spot beams. While some of the newer satellites (I don't know about E*8) have steerable spot beams there is a limit of how far (or fine) they can be adjusted. We will just have to wait and see what DISH does with E*8. I'm sure that they have done some computer simulations and have a good idea of what E*8's footprint (national and spot beams) will be from 77 degrees but until the satellite is there and they have some real data from various parts of the U.S. they won't know EXACTLY what to expect from E*8.

In the Dish 's application to the FCC for use of E-8 at 77 W, no mention was made of spotbeam usage, only the CONUS beams therefore no spotbeams. In the application though, they do have CONUS beam maps as well as the coverage that can be provided to Mexico. These tend to be fairly accurate so there is not a lot of guess work on the downlink signal coverage.

[JohnH]

New TLE still looks like Wednesday:

ECHOSTAR 8
1 27501U 02039A 08301.75418551 -.00000250 00000-0 10000-3 0 2903
2 27501 000.0273 284.0060 0003713 340.0744 326.0068 01.00408642 22683

[Aransay]

[W77.26 at 8:03 p.m. est.

[alebowgm]

James, I know it is mostly just out of courisoity, but would you be able to get your computer program to just draw what the E8 spotbeams would be projected at without adjustment from the 77w orbital location. I know the application showed ConUS coverage, but I am just wondering what they would hypathetically look like. The one that is in the northeast would maybe be out over detroit and the one in Flordia would probably be out in New Orleans or Houston?

[James Long]

Probably not worth clicking on, but here is where the spots could fall if they were just shifted 33° east (like the satellite).

Nowhere near accurate as the satellite will be "turned" so the ConUS hits the US instead of the Atlantic ocean. I'd expect spots closer to the center of the country to be pretty close to where they were at 110° just not the same shape.

I'll be surprised if DISH tries to use the spotbeams on E8 at 77°. The reception spots also come into play. Twisting the satellite so Gilbert and Cheyenne are in the uplink beams may push the east coast spots too far to the west. If too many spots are unusable DISH might as well keep the signals ConUS.

Satellites use spotbeams to reuse transponders in different parts of the country. If only one of those spots is usable there is no need for the signal to be spotbeamed. With MPEG4 DISH isn't in much of a crunch for space. They could put the remaining eastern markets up in SD on 77° and wait for the next satellite before worrying about spots and HD local feeds.

[rocatman]

Probably not worth clicking on, but here is where the spots could fall if they were just shifted 33° east (like the satellite).

Nowhere near accurate as the satellite will be "turned" so the ConUS hits the US instead of the Atlantic ocean. I'd expect spots closer to the center of the country to be pretty close to where they were at 110° just not the same shape.

I'll be surprised if DISH tries to use the spotbeams on E8 at 77°. The reception spots also come into play. Twisting the satellite so Gilbert and Cheyenne are in the uplink beams may push the east coast spots too far to the west. If too many spots are unusable DISH might as well keep the signals ConUS.

Satellites use spotbeams to reuse transponders in different parts of the country. If only one of those spots is usable there is no need for the signal to be spotbeamed. With MPEG4 DISH isn't in much of a crunch for space. They could put the remaining eastern markets up in SD on 77° and wait for the next satellite before worrying about spots and HD local feeds.

Based on your projected spotbeam map for E-8 at 77 W, Dish would have use of 7 or 8 TPs using spotbeams requiring that 4 TPs be dedicated to those spotbeams. It might be worth it especially in the Northeast where 3 TPs would be available but would probably preclude the ability to provide signal to Mexico because of power limitations. Mexico service is needed in order for Dish to use the 77 W slot.

[James Long]

A reminder of what E8 could do ...
Five transponders were available for use as spots, each of those five could be reused five times.
Each spot had one to three transponders on it ... (spot referring to a place on the earth not a spot transponder that served it).

Spot 1 had two transponders (4 and 6)
Spot 2 had two transponders (2 and 6)
Spot 3 had one transponder (10)
Spot 4 had three transponders (2, 8 and 10)
Spot 5 had two transponders (4 and 6)
Spot 6 had three transponder (2, 8 and 10)
Spot 7 had two transponders (8 and 10)
Spot 8 had one transponder (2)
Spot 9 had one transponder (4)
Spot 10 had one transponder (6)
Spot 11 had one transponder (2)
Spot 12 had one transponder (6)
Spot 13 had two transponders (8 and 10)
Spot 14 had one transponder (8)
Spot 15 had one transponder (4)
Spot 16 had one transponder (4)
(Spot referring to a place on the earth - transponder referring to the spot transponder that served it.)

If DISH decided to use 2,4,6,8 and 10 for spots and turn on what would work it wouldn't be too bad - but three things would have to happen.
1) Receive beams would have to pick up, separately, the signals of Gilbert and Cheyenne
2) Downlink beams would have to land in useful positions
3) DISH would need to have need of two spots needing use of the same transponder

That third hurdle, need, is the one that I believe would prevent DISH from using spots more than the others. Unless DISH had need to reuse the frequency why bother transmitting spots? Initially 77° will be virtually empty ... even if a pairing was found where a spot beam capable frequency could be used in two valuable locations it would be easier to just keep it ConUS until the satellite fills up.

[alebowgm]

That third hurdle, need, is the one that I believe would prevent DISH from using spots more than the others. Unless DISH had need to reuse the frequency why bother transmitting spots? Initially 77° will be virtually empty ... even if a pairing was found where a spot beam capable frequency could be used in two valuable locations it would be easier to just keep it ConUS until the satellite fills up.

Unless Dish wanted to restrict whatever programming they were putting on that TP only to those in the immediate region. Say, to prevent 'movers'. Odds are you are right, but that could be a scenario where it would make sense.

Perhaps you can add the TP #s that the spots on E8 use to the map you provided, then it would be obvious what TPs can be duplicated between 2-4-6-8-10.

[Aransay]

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[alebowgm]

Aransay, the reason why it is probably N2 and MPEG 2 is the cost of implementing the N3 and MPEG 4 system. Moreover, when you take into consideration that DISH is currently switching over to this system, there is going to be a flood of N2 and MPEG 2 equipment - legal and off the books - that the new Dish Network Mexico system is going to be able to use, and the cost won't be that much. Think of all the legacy recievers such as the 2700's and 3100's that Dish has taken in over the last years as they have upgraded customers.

With that said, I do agree that it would just make more sense from a security standpoint to use N3 and MPEG4.

[JohnH]

EchoStar 8 should be at 77w. Latest TLE projection puts it a little east of 77w at this time and moving extremely slowly.

[Aransay]

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[Aransay]

nothing yet

[Bill R]

nothing yet

Aransay,

DISH does not have permission yet to broadcast from Echostar 8. Now that it is at 77 degrees my guess is that they will "walk" the paperwork through if they haven't applied yet (I haven't been able to find that application, has anyone?).

[Aransay]

buteh haev poermisson form emxico

Bill but tehy coudl start migrting chaenensl form echo 4 to echo 8 oradd mroe chanel or emxico use


ahev yoauev her anithimng new for us in mexico_

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[James Long]

Aransay, the reason why it is probably N2 and MPEG 2 is the cost of implementing the N3 and MPEG 4 system.With that said, I do agree that it would just make more sense from a security standpoint to use N3 and MPEG4.I agree. DISH service to Mexico is secondary ... it gets them the slot for use to reach their real audience - the US, where the signals will be MPEG4 N3. DISH Mexico can get a system up cheap using MPEG2 N2 for the sake ok keeping the slot ... I doubt they are overly concerned with piracy of those signals.

(And no, that doesn't mean DISH supports piracy. It means that they have bigger fish to fry.)

[Bill R]

but they have permisson from Mexico

Bill but they could start migrating channels from echo 4 to echo 8 or add more channel for Mexico use

They still need permission from the FCC. And we don't know that E*8 will be used for Mexican service. I heard that it may only be used for U.S. service. We will just to wait and see.

[Bill R]

DISH service to Mexico is secondary ... it gets them the slot for use to reach their real audience - the US, where the signals will be MPEG4 N3. DISH Mexico can get a system up cheap using MPEG2 N2 for the sake ok keeping the slot ... I doubt they are overly concerned with piracy of those signals.



I think that is very likely the case -- get the slot, get some Mexican service going - use the rest of the capacity for the U.S. And I would not be surprised to see a card swap for the Mexican receivers sometime in 2009 or 2010.

DISH REALLY need to add a LOT of "eastern" U.S. HD locals and 77 may be the slot that they do that on. The "other board" is saying that the eastern arc is not going to be available to EXISTING customers next February but that is not what I'm hearing.

The new satellite going to 129 in December will allow DISH to add a lot of "western" HD Locals.

[Aransay]

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[Aransay]

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[spear61]

The first thing seen on 77 may be the Dishmexico beam. Needs no approval from FCC and will be a Mexican licensed satellite.

As Aransay has previously posted, the new Dishmexico service is going to go head to head against Sky Mexico for the potential 110 million Mexican viewers. The boxes Dish presently has authorized for Dishmexico US reception are a small part of the package.

Regarding Telmex providing marketing, sales and collection services. That means money is the least of their concerns (they could buy Dishnetwork using pocket change if they were a US corporation).

[Aransay]

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[JohnH]

Not quite stabilized at 77w:

ECHOSTAR 8
1 27501U 02039A 08303.31521598 -.00000242 00000-0 10000-3 0 2926
2 27501 000.0306 286.7687 0004743 023.6628 123.6583 01.00346146 22709

[simulated]

SAT-STA-20080616-00121 E EchoStar Corporation 12200- 12700 Action Complete Grant of Authority 08/08/2008
SAT-STA-20080616-00121 E EchoStar Corporation 14000- 14004 Action Complete Grant of Authority 08/08/2008
SAT-STA-20080616-00121 E EchoStar Corporation 17300- 17800 Action Complete Grant of Authority 08/08/2008

dish has fcc approval to start using echo 8 at 77w!

[simulated]

here's a link to the grant pdf: http://licensing.fcc.gov/ibfsweb/ib.page.FetchAttachment?attachment_key=676836

*note* some pages are normal left to right reading, others are from bottom to top, please watch your necks while reading.

[JohnH]

Looks like they have at least 180 day thingy:

The Commission, by its International Bureau, took the following actions pursuant to delegated authority. The effective
date of these actions is the release date of this Notice, except where an effective date is specified.
For more information concerning this Notice, contact the Satellite Division at 202-418-0719; TTY 202-418-2555.
SAT-STA-20080616-00121 E
Effective Date: 10/31/2008 Grant of Authority
Special Temporary Authority
EchoStar Corporation
On October 31, 2008, the Satellite Division granted, with conditions, EchoStar Corporation's request for special temporary authority for a period
of 180 days commencing on October 31, 2008, to continue operating the tracking, telemetry, and command (TT&C) necessary to maintain the
EchoStar 8 satellite at the 77° W.L. orbital location, and to operate the EchoStar 8 satellite at that location.


Has anybody seen a blanket authority for the Pizza dishes to receive programming from EchoStar 8 at 77 west?

[HDRoberts]

Looks like they have at least 180 day thingy:

The Commission, by its International Bureau, took the following actions pursuant to delegated authority. The effective
date of these actions is the release date of this Notice, except where an effective date is specified.
For more information concerning this Notice, contact the Satellite Division at 202-418-0719; TTY 202-418-2555.
SAT-STA-20080616-00121 E
Effective Date: 10/31/2008 Grant of Authority
Special Temporary Authority
EchoStar Corporation
On October 31, 2008, the Satellite Division granted, with conditions, EchoStar Corporation's request for special temporary authority for a period
of 180 days commencing on October 31, 2008, to continue operating the tracking, telemetry, and command (TT&C) necessary to maintain the
EchoStar 8 satellite at the 77° W.L. orbital location, and to operate the EchoStar 8 satellite at that location.


Has anybody seen a blanket authority for the Pizza dishes to receive programming from EchoStar 8 at 77 west?

Maybe the reason for the (rumored) HD delay? They need E8 to make it happen on the EA, and don't have the authority to transmit to customers?

[Bill R]

Maybe the reason for the (rumored) HD delay? They need E8 to make it happen on the EA, and don't have the authority to transmit to customers?

They do have authority and they have fired up four transponders on E*8. Making them available to subscribers is likely just a matter of time. First they need to test for interference with their own service (at 72.7) and with other vendors slots.

[James Long]

A reminder - we have a thread for the planned Mexican DISH Network service:
77 West (Planned Mexico Service) Reports (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=120522)

Let's keep this and other 77°/EA threads focused on US DISH Network service.
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