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DIRECTV CONUS Transponder/Channel Maps - Data 10/4/08
The attachments to this post are for CONUS Transponders only.
Post #2 provides the attachments for Local-Into-Local (LIL) transponders.
Attached are three PDF documents covering DIRECTV Satellites at the 95, 99, 101, 103, 110 and 119 West positions:
A listing by Satellite and Transponder, showing assigned Channels
A listing by Channel, showing the source Satellite and Transponder A listing by channel Name, showing the source Satellite and TransponderA Transponder and Network Number reference sheet is provided in post #3. That sheet applies to both the CONUS and LIL listings.
All documents are fully unprotected so you may copy and use the data as you wish.
EDIT 11/11/08: CONUS Data Maps have been removed from this post. Please use the most current CONUS Data Map, posted today, 11/11/08.
DIRECTV LIL Transponder/Channel Maps - Data 9/13/08
Please be forgiving. This is a work in progress with a massive amount of data.
The attachments to this post are for LIL (Local-Into-Local) Transponders only.
The previous post provides the attachments for CONUS (CONtinental US) transponders.
Attached are two PDF documents covering DIRECTV Satellites at the 99, 101, 103 and West positions:
A listing by Satellite and Transponder, showing assigned Channels
A listing by Channel, showing the source Satellite and TransponderIMPORTANT:
The satellite entry for these LIL channels is shown as <lookup> because while the Network Number and TPN are displayed for these channels, you will need to do an online lookup (at lyngsat.com, for instance) to determine which satellite carries this channel.
There are 219 LIL Networks, (all Networks of number 512 and above) comprising 6,628 line entries. I did not want to delay providing this information until an automated interface is in place to update the network-to-satellite-name relationship.
A Transponder and Network Number reference sheet will be provided in post #3. That sheet applies to both the CONUS and LIL listings.
All documents are fully unprotected so you may copy and use the data as you wish.
The satellites at the 72, 95, 110 and 119 slots are not included at this time.
Please remember this is data from 9/13/08: there have been multiple changes in these last ten days.
EDIT 11/11/08: CONUS Data Maps have been removed from this post. Please use the most current CONUS Data Map, posted 11/6/08.
Attached is the 'decoder' to show the relationships of the Network Number to Satellites and the Satellite Transponders.
EDIT 11/11/08: The 'decoder' has been removed from this post. Please use the most current 'decoder' , posted today, 11/6/08.
Wow, a lot of data. Thanks for your effort. I don't understand why I'm the first to ask a question (I'm sometimes dumb, but not usually that dumb).
The conus tpn numbers agree with what I expected (1-14 on D10 and D11). But I'm lost on the LIL tables. I was expecting to find the 7 Los Angeles channels on 2 transponders on D10 (I was once told tpn 20 and 21). But the table shows the 7 LA channels all on Network 617, tpns 3, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14. How do I translate from the network/tpn in the LIL table to the satellite tpn?
Heh, must be a special day, cuz I have the same question. One of my locals is acting bat-crappy and I'm trying to narrow down what xponder it's on so I can check the levels.
This is just a subset of the full blown data in the first two posts.
This attachment is just the CONUS (National) channels from the two newest DIRECTV satellites, DIRECTV-10 and DIRECTV-11.
This data is probably of the greatest interest to most folks.
The data is current as of 10/1/08.
EDIT 11/11/08: CONUS Data Maps have been removed from this post. Please use the most current CONUS Data Map, posted today, 11/11/08.
Malibu13
10-02-08, 06:39 AM
Great Job :)
This is just a subset of the full blown data in the first two posts.
This attachment is just the CONUS (National) channels from the two newest DIRECTV satellites, DIRECTV-10 and DIRECTV-11.
This data is probably of the greatest interest to most folks.
The data is current as of 10/1/08.Thank you, thank you, thank you! /steve
OK, I've looked at all of the above files and am confused.
I am in the Harrisburg/Lancaster, PA DMA. I found the following for my local DT stations from your data:
WGAL channel 8 net 587 Tp 59
WHP channel 21 net 587 Tp 5
WHTM channel 27 net 587 Tp 11
WPMT channel 43 net 587 Tp 48
I can tell since these are all "net 587" that they come from the same satellite, but each has a different transponder (59,5,11, and 48). How do I figure out which satellite (D10 I believe) and which 103 deg transponder each comes down to me on? Somehow I am missing something.
I also see subchannels for my local stations (ie, DT2) that D* does not carry. What do the subchannel listings in the charts mean?
nyelton
10-04-08, 03:23 AM
OK, I've looked at all of the above files and am confused.
I am in the Harrisburg/Lancaster, PA DMA. I found the following for my local DT stations from your data:
WGAL channel 8 net 587 Tp 59
WHP channel 21 net 587 Tp 5
WHTM channel 27 net 587 Tp 11
WPMT channel 43 net 587 Tp 48
I can tell since these are all "net 587" that they come from the same satellite, but each has a different transponder (59,5,11, and 48). How do I figure out which satellite (D10 I believe) and which 103 deg transponder each comes down to me on? Somehow I am missing something.
I also see subchannels for my local stations (ie, DT2) that D* does not carry. What do the subchannel listings in the charts mean?
Is it possible that net 587 is really OTA? According to tvfool, your stations are broadcasting on the following channels:
WGAL 58
WHP 4
WHTM 10
WPMT 47
The transponders reported on net 587 are all exactly one more than the OTA channel number they are broadcasting on.
I'm also confused. I'm in New York, and the channel to transponder map shows the following for WNBC:
WNBC 4 Net-587 <lookup> 31 nbc.ch
WNBC 4 Net-632 <lookup> 5
My 99s signals on TP 5 and 31 are 0 and n/a respectively. Am I misunderstanding the documents? TIA.
/steve
10/5: Updated Post #1, DIRECTV CONUS (national) listings with data of 10/4/08.
Added a third listing, by channel NAME in addition to listings by TPN and CHANNEL.
10/5: Updated Post #1, DIRECTV CONUS (national) listings with data of 10/4/08.
Added a third listing, by channel NAME in addition to listings by TPN and CHANNEL.And updated the available HD bandwidth analysis earlier today:http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=1821584&postcount=420
inkahauts
10-05-08, 06:23 PM
And updated the available HD bandwidth analysis earlier today:http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=1821584&postcount=420
So I have a question... If each transponder has about the same usable bandwidth as 7 OTA UHF/VHF stations (according to Tom in one of his posts here: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=82295) then why are we limited to just 5 channels per transponder? I am assuming I am reading something wrong, but the way I read his post on D10/11 payload configurations, each transponder should be able to handle 7 channels at MPEG-2.... What am I reading wrong on that page?
Also, I am asking a lot, but has anyone done a space check like you have done for D10 and D11 for all the sats at 101, 110, and 95 and 119? I wonder how much space is available there? It is possible Directv can move some things coming from 101 to one of the other stas, like the gamechannels and some a few spanish channels I see listed there, and then free up a bunch more space for HD. There are still the legacy channels to yank down too, which will free up more space on those other sats for programing too... And It looks like there is still at least 3 MPEG-2 HD channels on 101... I have a feeling that there is more room across the entire fleet to add more HD than just on D10 and D11, and I see no reason why Directv won't put HD on 101, if they can clear up space by better utilizing other sats that have space as the Legacy HD channels get turned off...
3 HD from 101 in MPEG-4
Game channels?
119?
So I have a question... If each transponder has about the same usable bandwidth as 7 OTA UHF/VHF stations (according to Tom in one of his posts here: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=82295) then why are we limited to just 5 channels per transponder? I am assuming I am reading something wrong, but the way I read his post on D10/11 payload configurations, each transponder should be able to handle 7 channels at MPEG-2.... What am I reading wrong on that page?
Also, I am asking a lot, but has anyone done a space check like you have done for D10 and D11 for all the sats at 101, 110, and 95 and 119? I wonder how much space is available there? It is possible Directv can move some things coming from 101 to one of the other stas, like the gamechannels and some a few spanish channels I see listed there, and then free up a bunch more space for HD. There are still the legacy channels to yank down too, which will free up more space on those other sats for programing too... And It looks like there is still at least 3 MPEG-2 HD channels on 101... I have a feeling that there is more room across the entire fleet to add more HD than just on D10 and D11, and I see no reason why Directv won't put HD on 101, if they can clear up space by better utilizing other sats that have space as the Legacy HD channels get turned off...
3 HD from 101 in MPEG-4
Game channels?
119?Answered in the other thread: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=1822032&postcount=424
P Smith
10-05-08, 08:51 PM
I'm also confused. I'm in New York, and the channel to transponder map shows the following for WNBC:
WNBC 4 Net-587 <lookup> 31 nbc.ch
WNBC 4 Net-632 <lookup> 5
My 99s signals on TP 5 and 31 are 0 and n/a respectively. Am I misunderstanding the documents? TIA.
/steve
That's good discovery, blind parsing APG especially LiL records wasn't final.
So, gct please change a name "LiL tpns" ## to "local ch" numbers with substracting 1.
There's a discovery here pointed out by Steve: when the channel name entry in the table is: a. the four character channel name Wxxx for the east
b. the four character channel name Kxxx for the west
Then the DIRECTV entry in the 'TPN' field is a the
channel number incremented by 1.
Steve's entry "WNBC 4 Net-632 <lookup> 5" is such a placeholder entry. But for your sanity: a search for the channel NY4 (that same WNBC channel, in SD) shows it as channel 4, in Net 632 and on transponder 31.
The rest of the question still begs an answer: how do we map the actual TPN to the signal strength display on your receiver? For the old 110W sat, for example, we have known that actual TPN28 is mapped to virtual TPN8, actual TPN30 to virtual TPN10 and actual TPN32 to virtual TPN12. We have some relationships still waiting to be discovered.
I'm in New York, and the channel to transponder map shows the following for WNBC:
WNBC 4 Net-587 <lookup> 31 nbc.ch
WNBC 4 Net-632 <lookup> 5
My 99s signals on TP 5 and 31 are 0 and n/a respectively.
/steve
There's a discovery here pointed out by Steve: when the channel name entry in the table is: a. the four character channel name Wxxx for the east
b. the four character channel name Kxxx for the west
Then the DIRECTV entry in the 'TPN' field is a the
channel number incremented by 1.
Steve's entry "WNBC 4 Net-632 <lookup> 5" is such a placeholder entry. But for your sanity: a search for the channel NY4 (that same WNBC channel, in SD) shows it as channel 4, in Net 632 and on transponder 31.
The rest of the question still begs an answer: how do we map the actual TPN to the signal strength display on your receiver? For the old 110W sat, for example, we have known that actual TPN28 is mapped to virtual TPN8, actual TPN30 to virtual TPN10 and actual TPN32 to virtual TPN12. We have some relationships still waiting to be discovered.I wait with bated breath! :lol:
Thanks again, gct, for all your hard work on this! It appears to be a true labor of love.
/steve
gct, can you answer my question from above? I am confused when I look at your file data for the Harrisburg/Lancaster, PA DMA.
JDubbs413
10-19-08, 09:37 AM
Anyone?
I am not sure about specfic transponders for your locals but I can answer your question about subchannels. The only way for you to get the subchannels is by getting an OTA antenna but those will only be good until 2009. DirecTV doesn't have a carriage agreement for them right now. My locals are the same way. There are some subchannels that DirecTV doesn't carry that I could only get on an antenna.
OK, I've looked at all of the above files and am confused.
I am in the Harrisburg/Lancaster, PA DMA. I found the following for my local DT stations from your data:
WGAL channel 8 net 587 Tp 59
WHP channel 21 net 587 Tp 5
WHTM channel 27 net 587 Tp 11
WPMT channel 43 net 587 Tp 48
I can tell since these are all "net 587" that they come from the same satellite, but each has a different transponder (59,5,11, and 48). How do I figure out which satellite (D10 I believe) and which 103 deg transponder each comes down to me on? Somehow I am missing something....
nentj,
Please understand that none of us are holding back information from you. We are all working to interpret the data we have.
I found the four stations you mentioned above all on the 101W sats, using the Lyngsat data. They are all properly shown as SD channels. We do not know (yet) how to distinguish which of the sats in the 101W parking lot is transmitting to you on those listed transponders. Ultimately, I don't think your receiver cares which physical sat the signal comes from.
Your four stations do not appear in the 99W or 103W data listings, where HD transmission of your channels would be expected to emanate from.
In an earlier post, I mentioned that we are still trying to map the 'actual' transponder numbers to their 'virtual' transponder numbers. Please see that earlier post for a better explanation.
gct
Thanks gct. I thought the above info was for the HD local channels, but I guess they are only for the SD channels. I've been told that our locals (Harrisburg/Lancaster, PA) come from the 103 deg orbital slot. No idea which transponder, but I can rule out certain ones that are always low or 0 here.
P Smith
10-23-08, 11:54 PM
A question to all San Diego residents who have DTV with LiLs - in a table below do you see any discrepancy according your EPG and programming ?
Network 679:LiLs
SD6 6 18/101W 005A 005B fox.ch
SD8 8 18/101W 0064 0065 cbs.ch
SD10 10 18/101W 006E 006F abc.ch
SD15 15 18/101W 0078 0079 sd15.ch
SD39 39 18/101W 0082 0083 nbc.ch
SD46 46 28/101W 0082 0083 sd46.ch
SD49 49 18/101W 008C 008D mnt.ch
SD51 51 18/101W 0096 0097 sd51.ch
SD69 69 18/101W 0050 0051 cw.ch
XETV 6 16/103W 1010 1011 foxhd.ch
KFMB 8 16/103W 1020 1021 cbshd.ch
KGTV 10 16/103W 1030 1031 abchd.ch
KPBS 15 16/103W 1050 1051 test9214.ch
KNSD 39 16/103W 1040 1041 knsd.tv
XDTV 49 16/103W 1060 1061 test9215.ch
KSWB 69 16/103W 1070 1071 test9229.ch
Market: 168 "CA, San Diego"
P Smith
10-24-08, 12:08 AM
Thanks gct. I thought the above info was for the HD local channels, but I guess they are only for the SD channels. I've been told that our locals (Harrisburg/Lancaster, PA) come from the 103 deg orbital slot. No idea which transponder, but I can rule out certain ones that are always low or 0 here.
Please check and confirm the table:
Network 595:LiLs
HR8 8 26 0032 0033 nbc.ch
HR21 21 26 0050 0051 cbs.ch
HR27 27 26 005A 005B abc.ch
HR43 43 26 006E 006F fox.ch
HR15 15 26 003C 003D wlyh984.ch
HR33 33 26 0064 0065 witf987.ch
HR49 49 26 0078 0079 wgcb989.ch
WGAL 8 1/103W 1010 1011 nbchd.ch
WHP 21 1/103W 1020 1021 whpdt.ch
WHTM 27 1/103W 1030 1031 abchd.ch
WPMT 43 1/103W 1040 1041 foxhd.ch
TEST 15 1/103W 1050 1051 wlyhdt.ch
TEST 33 1/103W 1060 1061 witfdt.ch
Market: 84 "PA, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York"
What does all of this info mean? I can link the callsigns to the analog channel numbers and it looks like at the bottom, it confirms that the HD locals are indeed from 103 West, and also looks like channel 15 (CW) and 33 (PBS) have test channels. No idea what all of the other numbers in that list mean.
Incidentally, in that middle group, it looks like virtual digital channel vs. real freq channel, although every one of those numbers in brackets is 1 channel higher than the actual transmitted channel. Why is that? For example, both WHPHD (21.1 and 21.2) are actually transmitted on channel 4, although it says "5" above. Same thing for the rest.. all of them are off by 1.
P Smith
10-26-08, 04:12 PM
That's why asked your help.
OK, so VHF channel should be 1 less ( San Diego ppl ? no one get it ? ).
For confirmation of 101 or 99/103 you could check signal level on those tpns, ie tp 26 on 101W/119W and tp1 on 103W.
Meaning for Ku LILs (101W, 119W, 72.5W):
ch name ch# tpn VPID APID comment
HR8 8 26 0032 0033 nbc.ch
Meaning for Ka LILs (99W, 103W):
ch name ch# tpn/sat VPID APID comment
WGAL 8 1/103W 1010 1011 nbchd.ch
P Smith
10-27-08, 12:04 AM
Common question - is a table below correct ?
It's show how LiL tpn numbers used between satellites:
1
2 72.5W
3
4 101W 72.5W
5
6 72.5W
7
8 72.5W
9
10 72.5W
11
12 101W 72.5W
13
14 72.5W
15
16 72.5W
17
18 101W 72.5W
19
20 101W 72.5W
21
22 72.5W
23 119W
24 72.5W
25 119W
26 101W 72.5W
27
28 101W 72.5W
29 119W
30 72.5W
31 119W
32 72.5W
72.5W using CONUS tpns while 101W and 119W spotbeams.
P Smith
10-28-08, 08:57 PM
To check, for LameLefty:
Taken 09/13/08
Network 643:LiLs
NA2 2 18 000A 000B abc.ch
NA4 4 18 0014 0015 nbc.ch
NA5 5 18 001E 001F cbs.ch
NA17 17 18 0032 0033 fox.ch
NA8 8 18 0028 0029 na8.ch
NA30 30 18 003C 003D mnt.ch
NA58 58 18 005A 005B cw.ch
NA22 22 18 0064 0065 pbs.ch
WKRN 2 2/99W 1010 1011 abchd.ch
WSMV 4 2/99W 1020 1021 nbchd.ch
WTVF 5 2/99W 1030 1031 cbshd.ch
WZTV 17 2/99W 1040 1041 foxhd.ch
TEST 2 17/99W 1010 1011 soap2993.ch
TEST 4 17/99W 1020 1021 yeshdny2994.ch
TEST 5 17/99W 1030 1031 snyhd2995.ch
TEST 17 17/99W 1040 1041 yeshdny2996.ch
TEST 8 18/99W 1010 1011 snyhd2997.ch
TEST 30 18/99W 1020 1021 yeshdny2998.ch
TEST 58 18/99W 1030 1031 snyhd2998.ch
Market: 132 "KY, Franklin"/"TN, Nashville"
Today:
Network 643:LiLs
NA2 2 18 000A 000B abc.ch
NA4 4 18 0014 0015 nbc.ch
NA5 5 18 001E 001F cbs.ch
NA17 17 18 0032 0033 fox.ch
NA8 8 18 0028 0029 na8.ch
NA30 30 18 003C 003D mnt.ch
NA58 58 18 005A 005B cw.ch
NA22 22 18 0064 0065 pbs.ch
WKRN 2 17/11 1010 1011 abchd.ch
WSMV 4 17/11 1020 1021 nbchd.ch
WTVF 5 17/11 1030 1031 cbshd.ch
WZTV 17 17/11 1040 1041 foxhd.ch
TEST 8 18/11 1010 1011 snyhd2997.ch
TEST 30 18/11 1020 1021 yeshdny2998.ch
TEST 58 18/11 1030 1031 snyhd2998.ch
Market: 132 "KY, Franklin"
Scott in FL
10-29-08, 07:37 AM
Please check and confirm the table:
Network 595:LiLs
HR8 8 26 0032 0033 nbc.ch
HR21 21 26 0050 0051 cbs.ch
HR27 27 26 005A 005B abc.ch
HR43 43 26 006E 006F fox.ch
HR15 15 26 003C 003D wlyh984.ch
HR33 33 26 0064 0065 witf987.ch
HR49 49 26 0078 0079 wgcb989.ch
WGAL 8 1/103W 1010 1011 nbchd.ch
WHP 21 1/103W 1020 1021 whpdt.ch
WHTM 27 1/103W 1030 1031 abchd.ch
WPMT 43 1/103W 1040 1041 foxhd.ch
TEST 15 1/103W 1050 1051 wlyhdt.ch
TEST 33 1/103W 1060 1061 witfdt.ch
Market: 84 "PA, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York"
P,
Where are you getting these tables? I'm trying to figure out where my local Ft Myers, FL, HD stations come from: 99s or 103s. And which transponder, if possible.
For example, I get this for WINK:
WINKDT 11 Net-572 <lookup> 10
WINK 11 Net-572 <lookup> 12
WINK 11 Net-572 <lookup> 23 cbs.ch
Thanks!
Scott
From here in Austin over the past couple weeks it looks like D*'s been busy moving stuff around on the 99/103 spot beams. Recently I've seen a number of transponders on 99, both SW2 and D11 go to zero and transponders on 103, D10 only, light up that weren't there before.
LameLefty
10-29-08, 09:26 AM
To check, for LameLefty:
Thanks, man. I can definitely tell you though that if you run the transponders again for today it'll show Nashville has moved off transponder 2 at 99(c). We're definitely now on transponder 17 or 18. From the data you posted, it looks like those "test" channels at 17 are where our locals moved to. Thanks for the info!
P Smith
10-29-08, 01:18 PM
Thanks, man. I can definitely tell you though that if you run the transponders again for today it'll show Nashville has moved off transponder 2 at 99(c). We're definitely now on transponder 17 or 18. From the data you posted, it looks like those "test" channels at 17 are where our locals moved to. Thanks for the info!
Doesn't look changed from yesterday;
today:
Network 643:LiLs
NA2 2 18 000A 000B abc.ch
NA4 4 18 0014 0015 nbc.ch
NA5 5 18 001E 001F cbs.ch
NA17 17 18 0032 0033 fox.ch
NA8 8 18 0028 0029 na8.ch
NA30 30 18 003C 003D mnt.ch
NA58 58 18 005A 005B cw.ch
NA22 22 18 0064 0065 pbs.ch
WKRN 2 17/11 1010 1011 abchd.ch
WSMV 4 17/11 1020 1021 nbchd.ch
WTVF 5 17/11 1030 1031 cbshd.ch
WZTV 17 17/11 1040 1041 foxhd.ch
TEST 8 18/11 1010 1011 snyhd2997.ch
TEST 30 18/11 1020 1021 yeshdny2998.ch
TEST 58 18/11 1030 1031 snyhd2998.ch
Market: 132 "KY, Franklin; TN, Nashville"
P Smith
10-29-08, 01:23 PM
P,
Where are you getting these tables? I'm trying to figure out where my local Ft Myers, FL, HD stations come from: 99s or 103s. And which transponder, if possible.
For example, I get this for WINK:
WINKDT 11 Net-572 <lookup> 10
WINK 11 Net-572 <lookup> 12
WINK 11 Net-572 <lookup> 23 cbs.ch
Thanks!
Scott
Check this table what taken today, SD should be off 119W (using tp 23):
Network 580:LiLs
WEVU 4 23 000A 000B upn.ch
WINK 11 23 0014 0015 cbs.ch
WTPH 14 23 001E 001F wtph.ch
WBBH 20 23 0028 0029 nbc.ch
WZVN 26 23 0032 0033 abc.ch
WGCU 30 23 003C 003D wgcu.ch
WFTX 36 23 0050 0051 fox.ch
WXCW 46 23 005A 005B cw.ch
WFTX 36 15/103W 1040 1041 kphodt8731.ch
WINKDT 11 15/103W 1010 1011 wtvddt3006.ch
WBBH 20 15/103W 1020 1021 nbchd.ch
WZVN 26 15/103W 1030 1031 wrazdt3009.ch
Market: 69 "FL, Fort Myers-Naples"
Post signal levels for those two tpns on 119W and 103W.
P Smith
10-29-08, 01:29 PM
From here in Austin over the past couple weeks it looks like D*'s been busy moving stuff around on the 99/103 spot beams. Recently I've seen a number of transponders on 99, both SW2 and D11 go to zero and transponders on 103, D10 only, light up that weren't there before.
Check your signals, if the table is correct:
Network 523:LiLs
AU7 7 12 0050 0051 fox.ch
AU24 24 12 0064 0065 abc.ch
AU36 36 12 006E 006F nbc.ch
AU42 42 12 0078 0079 cbs.ch
AU18 18 12 005A 005B au18.ch
AU54 54 12 0082 0083 wb.ch
DTV 98 32 00FA 00FB
AU62 62 12 008C 008D au62.ch
AU51 51 12 0032 0033 au51.ch
AU26 26 12 001E 001F au26.ch
TEST 18 17/11 1050 1051 espnhd8603.ch
TEST 54 17/11 1060 1061 knva.ch
KTBC 7 17/11 1010 1011 foxhd.ch
KVUE 24 17/11 1020 1021 abchd.ch
KXAN 36 17/11 1030 1031 kxandt.ch
KEYE 42 17/11 1040 1041 cbshd.ch
Market: 12 "TX, Austin"
LameLefty
10-29-08, 01:48 PM
Doesn't look changed from yesterday;
Sorry, I should have been more careful with my post to indicate what I meant. I was referring to the data from September you posted above:
Taken 09/13/08
Network 643:LiLs
NA2 2 18 000A 000B abc.ch
NA4 4 18 0014 0015 nbc.ch
NA5 5 18 001E 001F cbs.ch
NA17 17 18 0032 0033 fox.ch
NA8 8 18 0028 0029 na8.ch
NA30 30 18 003C 003D mnt.ch
NA58 58 18 005A 005B cw.ch
NA22 22 18 0064 0065 pbs.ch
WKRN 2 2/99W 1010 1011 abchd.ch
WSMV 4 2/99W 1020 1021 nbchd.ch
WTVF 5 2/99W 1030 1031 cbshd.ch
WZTV 17 2/99W 1040 1041 foxhd.ch
TEST 2 17/99W 1010 1011 soap2993.ch
TEST 4 17/99W 1020 1021 yeshdny2994.ch
TEST 5 17/99W 1030 1031 snyhd2995.ch
TEST 17 17/99W 1040 1041 yeshdny2996.ch
TEST 8 18/99W 1010 1011 snyhd2997.ch
TEST 30 18/99W 1020 1021 yeshdny2998.ch
TEST 58 18/99W 1030 1031 snyhd2998.ch
Market: 132 "KY, Franklin"/"TN, Nashville"
What's interesting to me is that from this and from today's data, they're beaming a bunch of what look like sports nets via spotbeam on 99(s) transponders to Nashville on tp 18, but calling them "TEST" channels in the Guide. On the other hand, those channel numbers listed in today's data for tp 18 are all channels we do NOT yet get in HD including PBS. :)
Check your signals, if the table is correct:
Network 523:LiLs
AU7 7 12 0050 0051 fox.ch
AU24 24 12 0064 0065 abc.ch
AU36 36 12 006E 006F nbc.ch
AU42 42 12 0078 0079 cbs.ch
AU18 18 12 005A 005B au18.ch
AU54 54 12 0082 0083 wb.ch
DTV 98 32 00FA 00FB
AU62 62 12 008C 008D au62.ch
AU51 51 12 0032 0033 au51.ch
AU26 26 12 001E 001F au26.ch
TEST 18 17/11 1050 1051 espnhd8603.ch
TEST 54 17/11 1060 1061 knva.ch
KTBC 7 17/11 1010 1011 foxhd.ch
KVUE 24 17/11 1020 1021 abchd.ch
KXAN 36 17/11 1030 1031 kxandt.ch
KEYE 42 17/11 1040 1041 cbshd.ch
Market: 12 "TX, Austin"
Just guessing that it's correct. On 101 I have a 100 on tp 12. There are some other TP's reading 100 but most are in the mid 90's.
If by 17/11 you mean TP17 on 99/D11, that is one of the transponders that I have a 100 on.
For 99(S/b) my readings are:
1-6 0 0 0 0 0 0
7-14 N/A
15-16 0 34
17-24 100 100 0 38 0 0 0 0
25-32 N/A
For 103(S/a) my readings are:
1-6 0 0 0 0 0 0
7-14 N/A
15-16 94 72
17-24 100 100 0 78 67 87 94 94
25-32 N/A
Lamelefty, I wonder if D*'s planning on moving the Nashville 'Big 4' from SW2 and moving them to D11? I ask since my brother in law lives in Cookeville and get's the Nashville SD locals but the local channel tool at the D* web site says no for HD channels. Maybe the D11 beam has a bigger coverage area so it can cover all the DMA?
LameLefty
10-29-08, 02:41 PM
Lamelefty, I wonder if D*'s planning on moving the Nashville 'Big 4' from SW2 and moving them to D11? I ask since my brother in law lives in Cookeville and get's the Nashville SD locals but the local channel tool at the D* web site says no for HD channels. Maybe the D11 beam has a bigger coverage area so it can cover all the DMA?
That's a good question. I don't know but it sure looks like it from P Smith's transponder data. A couple other things jump out at me: first, it looks like our "alternate" (not as widely watched) PBS station, channel 22, is not even being carried on 101, but is already an MPEG4 signal (SD only) from D11 on tp 18. Second, as I noted above, it looks like there are already "placeholders" on transponder 18 for three more channels, including HD versions of our "regular" Nashville PBS station plus MyNetworkTV and CW or whatever they call themselves this week (the channel that shows "Smallville" :p )
I guess I can check that SD channel 22 theory by seeing if I can tune to it on my R15's or if it even shows up in the Guides for them. :confused:
EDITED TO ADD: Okay, that's weird. Channel 22 shows up on my R15's, which means it's still somewhere on 101, though that's not apparent from P Smith's data. Now I'm really confused. :p
Scott in FL
10-29-08, 02:44 PM
Check this table what taken today, SD should be off 119W (using tp 23):
Network 580:LiLs
Market: 69 "FL, Fort Myers-Naples"
This is great, thanks. I'm not having any problems. Just wanted to know where they are for future reference. Thanks very much for your help!!
P Smith
10-29-08, 05:20 PM
Nets:
10/11 - 99W
14/14 - 103W
In tables above xx/yy means tpXX of sat with netYY.
P Smith
10-29-08, 05:38 PM
That's a good question. I don't know but it sure looks like it from P Smith's transponder data. A couple other things jump out at me: first, it looks like our "alternate" (not as widely watched) PBS station, channel 22, is not even being carried on 101, but is already an MPEG4 signal (SD only) from D11 on tp 18. Second, as I noted above, it looks like there are already "placeholders" on transponder 18 for three more channels, including HD versions of our "regular" Nashville PBS station plus MyNetworkTV and CW or whatever they call themselves this week (the channel that shows "Smallville" :p )
I guess I can check that SD channel 22 theory by seeing if I can tune to it on my R15's or if it even shows up in the Guides for them. :confused:
EDITED TO ADD: Okay, that's weird. Channel 22 shows up on my R15's, which means it's still somewhere on 101, though that's not apparent from P Smith's data. Now I'm really confused. :p
I'll look into raw data later tonight, I added filtering out Aliases/OTA channels recently; shouldn't affect normal ch parsing.
EDIT. Well, now you confused me,
there is still ch22 at tp18 from 101W:
NA22 22 18 0064 0065 pbs.ch
Phew...
Scott in FL
10-30-08, 07:07 AM
Check this table what taken today, SD should be off 119W (using tp 23):
Network 580:LiLs
WEVU 4 23 000A 000B upn.ch
WINK 11 23 0014 0015 cbs.ch
WTPH 14 23 001E 001F wtph.ch
WBBH 20 23 0028 0029 nbc.ch
WZVN 26 23 0032 0033 abc.ch
WGCU 30 23 003C 003D wgcu.ch
WFTX 36 23 0050 0051 fox.ch
WXCW 46 23 005A 005B cw.ch
WFTX 36 15/103W 1040 1041 kphodt8731.ch
WINKDT 11 15/103W 1010 1011 wtvddt3006.ch
WBBH 20 15/103W 1020 1021 nbchd.ch
WZVN 26 15/103W 1030 1031 wrazdt3009.ch
Market: 69 "FL, Fort Myers-Naples"
Post signal levels for those two tpns on 119W and 103W.
Well, I spoke to soon. Turns out I do have a problem. My local HD channels were out last night and they still haven't returned despite resetting the receiver.
The problem is with the HD LiL channels (103s, transponder 15). The SD channels are fine, and the signal strengths on 101, 110 and 119 are all 90 - 100.
99s transponders range from 90-95. Same with 99c.
103c ranges from 82 to 91.
The problem seems to be with 103s:
xpndr 15 = 72 (I saw it as low as 61 last night)
xpndr 16 = 95
xpndr 20 = 95
xpndr 23 = 59
The fact that transponders 16 and 20 are both 95 leads me to believe that pointing is not an issue. The odd numbered transponders are low. Transponder 15 has varied from 61 to 72 over 12 hours (perhaps more).
Bad LNB??? Any ideas?
Thank you!
P Smith
10-30-08, 09:29 AM
I would ask ppl around you first, or check with Floridians here.
Scott I live in Punta Gorda, looking at H20 103a transponders, I am on SWM
15 = 86
16 = 95
20 = 95
23 = 95
I have experienced short drop outs but nothing more than 15 secs. and only 1 or 2 per night.
P Smith
10-30-08, 01:36 PM
I would go out and try to re-align your dish, Scott.
Scott in FL
10-30-08, 01:36 PM
Thanks Bob. So you had HD locals from 8:30 - 10:30 PM last night (Wednesday)? And also Tuesday night??
There definitely seems to be something funny with my odd numbered transponders on 103s, and I don't think it has anything to do with pointing.
Thanks again. If mine are out again tonight I guess I'll bite the bullet and give them a call...
73,
K7KQ
Scott in FL
10-30-08, 01:38 PM
I would go out and try to re-align your dish, Scott.
But I will try aligning the dish first. Thanks.
keefe007
10-30-08, 06:01 PM
Where does this data come from?
Keefe
keefe007
10-30-08, 06:03 PM
Would you be able to post the data from the following networks?
Network 632
Network 557
Network 587
Network 542
Network 542
Thanks!
P Smith
10-30-08, 07:20 PM
The ball now in gct's hands. :)
I think we finally have the DIRECTV Local-Into-Local Transponder Map that you have been asking for.
One of us (not me) has put in a great deal of time and concentration to make this possible.
There are two large data attachments and two small supplementary attachments.
The large data attachments are:
LIL_BYCHANNELNAME - all the LIL data in channel-name sequence
LIL_BYNETWORK - all the LIL data listed in Network Sequence
Supporting attachments are:
LIL_NETWORKLIST - a table showing all the active network numbers and their associated Markets
NETWORK_DECODER - a table displaying the overall layout of your receiver signal strength display.
The data files are large, use the PDF edit/search capability to find your specific information. In the 'bynetwork' listing, all your local channels, both HD and SD, will be grouped together.
EDIT: The attachments have been removed. Please see the post of 11/06/08 in this thread for the most current data!!
Now that is some NICE data!!!!
thanks for all the hard work to create the documents.
very, very helpful.
perfect.
P Smith
10-31-08, 04:06 PM
gct,
I would recheck "sat@xxx" assignement - see post#28 in the thread;
some LiLs reside on a few SB tpns off 119W, not all of them on 101W.
Also, I'm feel 72.5W left without load - there are should be a lot of LiLs.
And I'm not sure how to tell if it 101W or 72.5W transmitt your LiLs when tpn number is the same (tp2/12/18/20/26/28).
I found it shouldn't be a problem - 72.5W have own separate list of LILs; we need to collect a few hundred kilobytes of 82xh PIDs from 72.5W tp18.
Then rest of LILs will be covered.
wow. finally could look at where the NY HD locals were. D11 spotbeam TP#16.
signal strength 100. wonderful.
was holding my breath waitng to see the strength.
this is a good exercise for everyone.
gct,
I would recheck "sat@xxx" assignement - see post#28 in the thread;
some LiLs reside on a few SB tpns off 119W, not all of them on 101W.
Also, I'm feel 72.5W left without load - there are should be a lot of LiLs.
And I'm not sure how to tell if it 101W or 72.5W transmitt your LiLs when tpn number is the same (tp12/18/20/26/28).
If Lyngsat is correct, there are some 350 LIL spot beams from the 119W sat.
Let me see if I can find something in the raw data that perhaps is an indicator.
EDIT: There is nothing I can detect in the way of an indicator, buried in the raw data. Perhaps way back in the pre-parsed data stream?
gct
tonyd79
10-31-08, 07:13 PM
Interesting. The list includes a location for WNUVDT which is the WB in Baltimore but they haven't put that one up as far as I know. They only have SD live as far as I know.
Great work.
P Smith
10-31-08, 07:14 PM
gct,
First, lets implement lookup table from post#28 for sort out unique tp numbers, then will think how to manage collisions of those five tpn numbers.
Perhaps ppl from that particular markets could help ? If you will post those network/markets what on ambiguous numbers.
"there are some 350 LIL spot beams from the 119W sat" - you mean channels.
I think we finally have the DIRECTV Local-Into-Local Transponder Map that you have been asking for.
One of us (not me) has put in a great deal of time and concentration to make this possible.
There are two large data attachments and two small supplementary attachments.
The large data attachments are:
LIL_BYCHANNELNAME - all the LIL data in channel-name sequence
LIL_BYNETWORK - all the LIL data listed in Network Sequence
Supporting attachments are:
LIL_NETWORKLIST - a table showing all the active network numbers and their associated Markets
NETWORK_DECODER - a table displaying the overall layout of your receiver signal strength display.
The data files are large, use the PDF edit/search capability to find your specific information. In the 'bynetwork' listing, all your local channels, both HD and SD, will be grouped together.
Thanks for the time and effort it took to accumulate this info.
gct,
"there are some 350 LIL spot beams from the 119W sat" - you mean channels.
Yes, you are correct. Lyngsat shows some 350 channels which are on spot beams.
P Smith
10-31-08, 09:41 PM
gct, did you implement lookup table from post#28 ? It will require to proper separation LILs between 101W and 119W.
paragon
11-01-08, 08:10 AM
Johnstown-Altoona, PA's SD locals (Network 608) are listed as coming from 101W, but they actually come from 72.5W.
LameLefty
11-01-08, 09:29 AM
Johnstown-Altoona, PA's SD locals (Network 608) are listed as coming from 101W, but they actually come from 72.5W.
Probably not for much longer. This is from various peoples' parsing of the Guide data, not just educated guesses.
In the case of the Nashville HD LILs, it's clear that things have been shuffled around in the last few weeks, moving from tp 2 to tp 17, while at the same time, tp 18 has been directed here and there are TEST channels showing various out-of-region RSNs that are obviously placeholders for HD versions of three or four channels we currently don't have HD feeds for, including PBS. :)
P Smith
11-01-08, 11:14 AM
Johnstown-Altoona, PA's SD locals (Network 608) are listed as coming from 101W, but they actually come from 72.5W.
Could you please do physical check of that ?
Disconnect 72.W cable from a switch, run sat antenna setup and try to tune to all the LIL channel.
Robert L
11-01-08, 12:20 PM
I thought the Myrtle Beach-Florence DMA, that is shown as Network 579, SD was on 72.5. When I'm at that location to watch and as of today, I don't get any guide listing of SD channels. because there isn't a 72.5 dish installed.
So, they are being listed on 101W, but I think thats wrong. I simply don't get the SD channels or a listing for them.
WWMB- Channel 21 is coming over in 490i, yet Directv claims its in HD. I have yet to get a answer about that one. The station doesn't know why either. So unless I'm missing something or didn't look at this information long enough, I don't think the SD channels are on 101W.
I also don't know why Channel 21 isn't in HD.
doctor j
11-01-08, 01:16 PM
GREAT WORK!!!
With this info HD LIL spotbeam maps could now be generated.
I have tried to review the entire network list and my signal strenghts on 99(s) & 103(s) with general map from here :
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?q=my+maps&ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115759427286206897607.00000112588a794057acc&om=1&ll=36.809285,-96.503906&spn=47.504981,63.017578&z=4
This is what I've deduced. I'm in Birmingham Al. I could not find a market with channels on 99(s) TP 23, or 103(s) TP 17 or 23.
99(s)
0 0 83 0 0 0 N/A N/A
Dothan
N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 56 0
Mobile
83 87 0 0 98 99 63 65
Nash. Nashville B'ham B'ham ?? Mobile
N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
103(s)
80 0 59 0 63 12 N/A N/A
Chatanooga Tallahassee ?Talla. Macon
N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 69 95
Knoxville Atlanta
73 67 0 96 38 0 77 0
?? Memphis Atlanta NewOrleans ??
N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Thus in Birmingham the HD spotbeams of Atlanta, Nashville, Chattanooga, Dothan & 2 unknown transponders come in adequately.
Mobile, Knoxville, Memphis, ? Tallahassee and 1 unknown transponder come in marginally in clear weather.
With a lot more data points , a good data mapping program and a LOT of time someone could generate HD spotbeam coverage maps similar to the old 101 spotbeam maps still referenced frequently.
http://www.scottandmichelle.net/scott/dtv.html
I don't have the program or time but would be happy to help. What about one person from each DMA assigned to get signals from surrounding areas.
Doctor j
Neat, thought I was still on 72.5 but not by this data. Covered 72.5 lnb still have locals! Goodbye 72 dish! Also showing my HD locals in test mode. Can't be long now! Thanks for the great data!!
P Smith
11-01-08, 03:50 PM
gct is working on new revision of the tables what will include 72.5W LiLs.
doctor j
11-01-08, 03:55 PM
Better Table
I checked 103 (s) and I am getting a 91 on transponder 15 which the data above indicates is the transponder for our HD locals (Harrisburg/Lancaster, PA).
doctor j
11-02-08, 02:31 PM
Extracted Directv Network # and Tranponder list to this excel file.
A couple of ??'s / errors noted.
One question is than many markets have a Transponder #25 listed yet my signal strength lists 25 -32 as N/A. Is this transponder open in some markets, a test or an error?
Network 592 Greenville SC has a transponder listed as #220 ??
Network 723 not listed on the Market summary list. It is an Alaska market, ? Juneau but ? out of order.
Looks like the 119 markets are missing.
Keep up the great work!!!
Wow!!! What a lot of data!
Doctor j
Scott in FL
11-03-08, 07:07 AM
gct is working on new revision of the tables what will include 72.5W LiLs.
Just want to say thank you very much for all of your work on this! Between your information and advice, I was able to get my HD LiL problem sorted. I really appreciate all of your effort.
Thanks again!!!
Scott
GeorgeLV
11-05-08, 04:27 PM
Awesome work, looks like a lot of PBS, CW, and MNT HD locals are up in testing. (Including my locals in Las Vegas.)
From one of the attachments:
Network 649 KOCB 34 20 SW1 @103W kocbdt.ch
Network 649 KOCB 34 29 SAT @101W cw.ch
We only currently get CW KOCB-34 in SD from D*, have to use OTA for the HD. Does this data indicate that the D* HD version is in-work?
New: Updated LIL TPN Map - Data of 11/1/08
This is a significant update of the LIL data.In the previous version, all LIL channels not from 99W or 103W sats were incorrectly attributed to the 101W sats.
In this update, all the LIL's have been properly associated with their host satellite. The overall stats breakdown for LIL's is as follows:
For net 0:--1221 channels---@101W --- D1R, D4S, D8, D9S
For net 1:-----0 channels---@95W ---- G3C (no LIL, Intl channels only)
For net 2:-----0 channels---@110W --- D5 (no LIL, MPEG2 HD chls only)
For net 3:---468 channels---@119W --- D7S
For net 7:---187 channels---@73W ---- D1
For net 10:--110 channels---@99W ---- D11
For net 11:--495 channels---@99W ---- SW2
For net 14:--439 channels---@103W - --SW1
For net 15:--123 channels---@103W --- D10
There are two large data attachments and two small supplementary attachments.
The large data attachments are:
LIL_BYCHANNELNAME - all the LIL data in channel-name sequence
LIL_BYNETWORK - all the LIL data listed in Network Sequence
Supporting attachments are:
LIL_NETWORKLIST - a table showing all the active network numbers and their associated Markets
NETWORK_DECODER - a table displaying the overall layout of your receiver signal strength display.
The data files are large, use the PDF edit/search capability to find your specific information. In the 'bynetwork' listing, all your local channels, both HD and SD, will be grouped together.
EDIT 11/17/08: The LIL Transponder Maps have been deleted from this post. Please see the post of 11/17/08 in this thread for the most current updates of the LIL data.
EDIT 11/20/08: The "Network List" and "Network Decoder" attachments have been moved to Post #108, so that the necessary documents are not scattered.
paragon
11-07-08, 06:16 AM
Could you please do physical check of that ?
Disconnect 72.W cable from a switch, run sat antenna setup and try to tune to all the LIL channel.
I don't have 72.5 installed since there is a simulcast on 103.
paragon
11-07-08, 06:22 AM
Probably not for much longer. This is from various peoples' parsing of the Guide data, not just educated guesses.
I know it's probably not for much longer...I don't even have a 72.5 dish installed. I was just pointing it out for correctness.
Denver HD locals are listed at both 99W and 103W. Which sat actually has them? Also, is there a way that you can filter out or mark channels that are only active for testing purposes and aren't actually available to end users?
Denver HD locals are listed at both 99W and 103W. Which sat actually has them? Also, is there a way that you can filter out or mark channels that are only active for testing purposes and aren't actually available to end users?
DVDMTH,
I believe the data snapshot we have has caught the Denver market in the act of transitioning from one sat to another. Here in San Diego we recently were moved from SW2 @ 99W to SW1 @ 103W. I would venture that you are or will be making that same change soon.
I don't think we have any insight on when they will be changing nor can we tell from the data which way the transition will go.
Your market is interesting in that it doesn't reflect a PBS HD channel in 'testing' mode.
doctor j
11-07-08, 10:20 PM
Huntsville Al and Odessa Tx are errors in this data.
Juneau AK is still a question in my mind also.
Can you review this???
Doctor j
doctor j
11-07-08, 10:28 PM
Network list has 148 markets.
I believe there are 150.
Huntsville Al. and Juneau Ak are missing.
Directv's Local market list(directv.com___ locals) states 150 markets but only listed 149. Odessa Tx is missing.
My OCD is really acting up!!
Doctor j
Huntsville Al and Odessa Tx are errors in this data.
Juneau AK is still a question in my mind also.
Can you review this???
Doctor j
Doc,
Odessa is a part of Market #137, along with Hobbs, NM.
I'll try to discover if there are problems with Juneau, AK and Huntsville, AL.
Thanks!
doctor j
11-07-08, 11:16 PM
Trying to reconcile Directv LIL list which reports " 2nd Dish needed" which makes me categorize this DMA as a 72.5 market. However I believe some of these are KA only markets and new LIL DMA markets only available on MPEG4 receivers.
Questions exist on my crosscheck relative to:
NETWORK 526 Bangor Maine
NETWORK 528 Beaumont, Texas
NETWORK 540 Butte, Montana
NETWORK 568 Dothan, Alabama
NETWORK 596 Harrisonburg, Virginia
NETWORK 648 Odessa, Texas
NETWORK 654, Palm Springs, California
Have any of these markets ever been anything except MPEG 4???
Doctor j
werinshades
11-08-08, 10:11 PM
Are 99s or 103s being used at this time?
Are 99s or 103s being used at this time?
Yes they are, that's where all the local into local HD channels come from.
The attachments are fully complete and updated CONUS TPN Maps.
One of the supplemental attachments for the LIL TPN Maps post is applicable for these CONUS Maps too:
NETWORK_DECODER - a table displaying the overall layout of your receiver signal strength display.
New: Updated LIL TPN Map - Data of 11/1/08
This is a significant update of the LIL data.In the previous version, all LIL channels not from 99W or 103W sats were incorrectly attributed to the 101W sats.
In this update, all the LIL's have been properly associated with their host satellite. The overall stats breakdown for LIL's is as follows:
For net 0:--1221 channels---@101W --- D1R, D4S, D8, D9S
For net 1:-----0 channels---@95W ---- G3C (no LIL, Intl channels only)
For net 2:-----0 channels---@110W --- D5 (no LIL, MPEG2 HD chls only)
For net 3:---468 channels---@119W --- D7S
For net 7:---187 channels---@73W ---- D1
For net 10:--110 channels---@99W ---- D11
For net 11:--495 channels---@99W ---- SW2
For net 14:--439 channels---@103W - --SW1
For net 15:--123 channels---@103W --- D10
There are two large data attachments and two small supplementary attachments.
The large data attachments are:
LIL_BYCHANNELNAME - all the LIL data in channel-name sequence
LIL_BYNETWORK - all the LIL data listed in Network Sequence
Supporting attachments are:
LIL_NETWORKLIST - a table showing all the active network numbers and their associated Markets
NETWORK_DECODER - a table displaying the overall layout of your receiver signal strength display.
The data files are large, use the PDF edit/search capability to find your specific information. In the 'bynetwork' listing, all your local channels, both HD and SD, will be grouped together.Seems like all the D10 and D11 spots are in the charts as SW1 and SW2?
Seems like all the D10 and D11 spots are in the charts as SW1 and SW2?
Yes. The chart has all the LIL's from:
101W - D1R, D4S, D8, D9S
119W - D7S
72W - D1
99W - D11 and SW2
103W - D10 and SW1
Yes. The chart has all the LIL's from:
101W - D1R, D4S, D8, D9S
119W - D7S
72W - D1
99W - D11 and SW2
103W - D10 and SW1got that but seems like the d10 and d11 spots are labeled as sw1 and sw2 instead of d10 and d11.
P Smith
11-12-08, 12:07 PM
Perhaps Net#11 ( cover W99.2 SB ) aggregate SB from SW-2 and D-11, same for Net#14 ( cover W102.8 SB ) include SW-1 and D-10 SB tpns. Convolute system tables.
... seems like the d10 and d11 spots are labeled as sw1 and sw2 instead of d10 and d11.
The numbers of LIL's by sat is about right. Remember, the Spaceway's have phased-array antennas. Per the specs (a Tom Robertson post) they can have up to 2,000 spot beams each. We may see a lot of channel shifting as the engineers endeavor to take advantage of that capability.
The numbers of LIL's by sat is about right. Remember, the Spaceway's have phased-array antennas. Per the specs (a Tom Robertson post) they can have up to 2,000 spot beams each. We may see a lot of channel shifting as the engineers endeavor to take advantage of that capability.I'm confused.
A few weeks ago there was a file with all the LIL info.
For the NY DMA ... found the network # (645) ... looked in the PDF for that network # ... and found that the NY LIL HD channels were now on 99(s) transponders 16 and 20.
Cool. Great. Everything looked right.
Had a 100% signal. D11 does have a transponder 16 & 20. Perfect.
Now when I look in the most current PDF, those same LIL HD channels show "SW2".
There is no listing for any of the D10 or D11 spotbeams.
Seemed to be an error with the listing.
Unless I'm not reading this right.
Perhaps Net#11 ( cover W99.2 SB ) aggregate SB from SW-2 and D-11, same for Net#14 ( cover W102.8 SB ) include SW-1 and D-10 SB tpns. Convolute system tables.Exactly.
Then maybe the list should say "2 Sats" instead of "SW2"?
SW2 is only transponders 1-6.
D11 - 99(s) is 16-24.
P Smith
11-13-08, 12:42 AM
Actually, gct had all that tpn/sat right in his first table "Transponders and Network Numbers"; I think there is some algo missed what should separate those sats by tpn ranges for Net#14 and Net#11.
P Smith
11-13-08, 11:22 AM
gct,
"A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together;" [Ecclesiastes, chapter 3:5]
It's time to get feedback from ppl.
I would ask to post screenshots for 99(s) and 103(s) from each DMA to validate each tpn in your tables.
Screenshots would be only one credible source of the info.
LameLefty
11-13-08, 11:54 AM
gct,
"A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together;" [Ecclesiastes, chapter 3:5]
It's time to get feedback from ppl.
I would ask to post screenshots for 99(s) and 103(s) from each DMA to validate each tpn in your tables.
Screenshots would be only one credible source of the info.
I think the Nashville locals are quite correct - 99(s), tp 17 for current channels and 18 for expansion (soon I hope!). Here's the best I can do: screen cap from the Slingbox on my R22-200 through the 'net from work. Signals are a couple points low due to mist and light rain in the area.
http://www.angryherb.net/misc/tp99s.jpg
P Smith
11-13-08, 12:47 PM
LL, what's about 103(s) ? You don't have any signal from it ?
LameLefty
11-13-08, 02:06 PM
LL, what's about 103(s) ? You don't have any signal from it ?
I do but I'm pretty sure the ones in the 90's are neighboring cities, since your data and gct's tables say my locals are on 99(s) at 17 and 18 (which correlates with my signal strengths).
http://www.angryherb.net/misc/tp103s.jpg
EDITED TO ADD: I just verified from your data that tp 4 at 103(s) is for Evansville, IN, a few hours north of here. Given the geometry involved, I'm not surprised I get such high readings for that one.
skyboysea
11-13-08, 02:16 PM
Here's Seattle-Tacoma.
NY DMA:
99(s):
1:0 2:0 3:0 4:0 5:0 6:0 7:N/A 8:N/A
9:N/A 10:N/A 11:N/A 12:N/A 13:N/A 14:N/A 15:57 16:100
17:88 18:93 19:0 20:100 21:0 22:0 23:42 24:42
25:N/A 26:N/A 27:N/A 28:N/A 29:N/A 30:N/A 31:N/A 32:N/A
103(s):
1:95 2:0 3:0 4:0 5:95 6:0 7:N/A 8:N/A
9:N/A 10:N/A 11:N/A 12:N/A 13:N/A 14:N/A 15:89 16:96
17:0 18:97 19:95 20:97 21:34 22:0 23:82 24:100
25:N/A 26:N/A 27:N/A 28:N/A 29:N/A 30:N/A 31:N/A 32:N/A
P Smith
11-13-08, 05:13 PM
Guys, please post pictures; it's more reliable source and its uniformity of representation eliminate visual errors at donor and recipient sides ;).
levibluewa
11-13-08, 09:07 PM
Here are screenshots taken 11-13-08. CHANGES: On 11-8-08 there was ZERO for sat 99B tp 5. Also for sat 103A tp 16 was ZERO, and tp 22 was ZERO.
levibluewa
11-13-08, 09:18 PM
Sat 99 tp 3 ... Kingston 42 / Bellingham 0
tp 5 ... Kingston 40 / Bellingham 22
Sat 103 tp 16 ... Kingston 73 / Bellingham 41
tp 20 ... Kingston 76 / Bellingham 0
Kingston to Bellingham...maybe 70 miles.
What are these spotbeams? Cities?
P Smith
11-14-08, 09:50 AM
Those SW-x satellites are very advanced devices, check other threads where we discuss D10/D11 - there a lot of info about SB.
doctor j
11-14-08, 10:35 AM
Sat 99 tp 3 ... Kingston 42 / Bellingham 0
tp 5 ... Kingston 40 / Bellingham 22
Sat 103 tp 16 ... Kingston 73 / Bellingham 41
tp 20 ... Kingston 76 / Bellingham 0
Kingston to Bellingham...maybe 70 miles.
What are these spotbeams? Cities?
Use this info:
Google map from here:
http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=665923&postcount=1
Transponder chart from here:
http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1872826&postcount=75
I'm fairly certain 99- TP5 is Reno NV and 99-TP3 is Sacremento
But 103 16 & 20 don't map out to anything certain.San Diego and Santa Barbara use those Transponders but that doesn't make much sense.
That's why WAY more data points are needed.
Doctor j
skihoodoo
11-14-08, 04:53 PM
99s TP 5 IS RENO NV
here is mine i am in Albany Oregon i am 508 miles from RENO according to google
levibluewa
11-15-08, 10:49 PM
Screenshots 99s and 103s
New: Updated LIL TPN Map
This is a significant update of the LIL data of 10/1/08 with the implementation of changes in data parsing as of 11/16/08.
Supporting attachments are:
LIL_NETWORKLIST - a table showing all the active network numbers and their associated Markets
NETWORK_DECODER - a table displaying the overall layout of your receiver signal strength display.
Please provide your feedback and comments. We have made great strides in the past few weeks!
Thanks to all for their input.
EDIT: 11/18: 1. the proper 'bynetwork' sorted data map has been uploaded
EDIT: 11/20: 1. the "network_list" table and the "network decoder" document have been moved here from an earlier post, so that all the docs are together2. in response to many requests, the LIL data is also provided as an Excel .xls file so folks can work with the data as they wish
EDIT: 12/31/08
The data files for this post have been deleted. See the new 'sticky' thread dated 12/31/08 for the most current transponder data.
New: Updated LIL TPN Map
This is a significant update of the LIL data of 10/1/08 with the implementation of changes in data parsing.
Please provide your feedback and comments. We have made great strides in the past few weeks!
Thanks to all for their input.Perfect.
NY HD LIL now correctly shows D11 TP#16 and TP#20.
Good job. Looks good!
New: Updated LIL TPN Map
This is a significant update of the LIL data of 10/1/08 with the implementation of changes in data parsing.
Please provide your feedback and comments. We have made great strides in the past few weeks!
Thanks to all for their input.BTW, the bynetwork file seems to be the bychannel name listing.
BTW, the bynetwork file seems to be the bychannel name listing.
Yes thanks for all this data, a sort by network would be appreciated.
Denver locals still shown on both 99 and 103. I would still like to see "test" channels flagged in these lists in a future update if possible.
The notes for the HD test feed of our PBS affiliate (KRMA 6) on the 99 sat says "A3 Denver 6 KRMA PBS SW2," while the sat column indicates D11 instead of SW2.
The note for Azteca América (channel 27) indicates "kpxc" when the actual call letters are KZCO-LP (KPXC is our ION affiliate, channel 59).
Where are these notes coming from exactly?
BTW, the bynetwork file seems to be the bychannel name listing.
You are right - the proper 'bynetwork' data file has been uploaded and replaces the mis-titled file. Sorry for the error.
gct
levibluewa
11-18-08, 03:36 PM
Here are screenshots taken 11-13-08. CHANGES: On 11-8-08 there was ZERO for sat 99B tp 5. Also for sat 103A tp 16 was ZERO, and tp 22 was ZERO.
REVISION: 11-18-08 from post #102
This morning: 99b tp 5: flashed 17 then went 0
tp 15 = 60
tp 16 = 96
tp 20 = 97
tp 23 = 64
103b tp 22 = 0
If Directv moves stuff around like the above indicates I'm not sure how we'll ever get an accurate picture. It's not unlike a shell game.
aarontx
11-19-08, 09:48 AM
DFW Texas area (little east of dallas)
Zip 75087
Sorry the pictures look like crap, my camera is a really really old peice of junk. I'm gonna have to get a new one soon
P Smith
11-19-08, 10:23 AM
Thanks for pictures - don't worry about quality, most important is the numbers, if it could be seen.
Denver locals still shown on both 99 and 103. I would still like to see "test" channels flagged in these lists in a future update if possible.
The notes for the HD test feed of our PBS affiliate (KRMA 6) on the 99 sat says "A3 Denver 6 KRMA PBS SW2," while the sat column indicates D11 instead of SW2.
The note for Azteca América (channel 27) indicates "kpxc" when the actual call letters are KZCO-LP (KPXC is our ION affiliate, channel 59).
Where are these notes coming from exactly?
dvdmth,
The notes you are asking about are all a part of the data stream. I know they are inconsistent, sometimes out of date and sometimes just plain incorrect. Instead of just removing them, we've left the 'notes' in the Transponder Map because there may be times when they serve as a clarification.
You can be certain that none of us have the time to add 'note' entries to this 101 page table!
Marking the test channels involves some work and analysis and I think will become a valuable source of information.
levibluewa
11-20-08, 12:53 AM
Readings submitted by A.S. Conroe TX 77031
inkahauts
11-20-08, 01:27 AM
OK, so I finally looked at all this info.. Its awsome! Thanks guys..
Couple things...
Do you need info from us to fill in the more info? I will be happy to provide it, if its something you want filled in for my market.. which is LA... And do you have a specific standard you are using to fill that info?
I find it very interesting that my PBS is up right now... and I see a few others as well... One giant launch from Directv maybe?
And here are my signal strengths!!!
http://www.dbstalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16422&d=1227168832
http://www.dbstalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16423&d=1227168840
P Smith
11-20-08, 09:26 AM
Do you need info from us to fill in the more info? I will be happy to provide it, if its something you want filled in for my market.. which is LA... And do you have a specific standard you are using to fill that info?
I think if you see different ch_name or different short_info on your TV, then yes. Format of the info not that important.
Signal readings from Austin TX
I have a few questions but first I would like to thank everyone that collected this information. Quite a list and I'm sure it took longer to find and post than i can imagine. Finding the tpns for my area was very straight forward. This is info I am certain eveybody can use. Thanks again!
My question are going to seem rather simple to those of you in the Know but here goes.
1. My net is 575 what does that tell me?
2. Signal coming from D1 and SW1 what does this tell me, I read in one of these posts it designate part of the sat this tpn is coming from.
3. In the notes for sd the station affiliations seems quite clear but the notes for HD feeds hardly seem to match the station are these just for the gov. to distinguish between the HD and SD feeds.
4. There are dupes of all my local feeds on 103W. A few of these have not yet moved does this mean they are waiting for agreements for HD feeds. This is probably a question only D* can answer.
MY channels:
575 WAZE 19 14 D1 @73W wb
575 WEHT 25 14 D1 @73W abc Evansville IN WEHT 25 ABC
575 WEVV 44 14 D1 @73W cbs
575 WFIE 14 14 D1 @73W nbc
575 WKOH 31 14 D1 @73W wkoh Evansville IN WKOH 31 PBS
575 WNIN 9 14 D1 @73W wnin Evansville IN WNIN 9 PBS
575 WTVW 7 14 D1 @73W fox
575 WAZE 19 4 SW1 @103W woiodt
575 WFIE 14 4 SW1 @103W fsdhd
575 WNIN 9 4 SW1 @103W gem9254 A3 Evansville 09 WNIN PBS
575 WTVW 7 4 SW1 @103W csnch1
575 WEHT 25 6 SW1 @103W wyffdt9317
575 WEVV 44 6 SW1 @103W wlosdt9319
575 WKOH 31 6 SW1 @103W wspadt9318
575 WTSN 63 6 SW1 @103W kfxkdt2
levibluewa
11-20-08, 10:36 AM
Oops ! Wrong attachments.
I just got the readings. Did not receive screenshots, sorry. That's the info...take it or leave it! Sorry again!
P Smith
11-20-08, 12:23 PM
I just got the readings. Did not receive screenshots, sorry. That's the info...take it or leave it! Sorry again!
Somehow in that post http://dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1891805&postcount=118 the attachment is gct's tpn decoder ring.
levibluewa
11-20-08, 12:59 PM
I received the info from a viewer in Conroe and entered the readings in a blank decoder ring. Those are the readings from Conroe TX. He supplied readings for all the sats so I transferred what I received.
P Smith
11-20-08, 01:46 PM
Pictures would be the source, please.
It appears that both the Seattle Ka spots (were on Spaceway2/99deg, xpdrs 2/4/6) and Spokane (were on Spaceway2/99deg, xpdrs 1/3/5) have moved to:
DirecTV11/99deg Seattle xpdrs 16/20 and Spokane xpdrs 15/23. Remember that the Spaceway bandwidth per transponder is less than DirecTV11, so although the 'count' is less the bandwidth is more on the newer sat.
levibluewa
11-20-08, 02:56 PM
Guess not everyone has digital cameras.
skyboysea
11-20-08, 03:06 PM
Here's how Seattle looks like after the move from SW2 to D11
skihoodoo
11-20-08, 03:09 PM
looks like they are now on 99s tp 24 with this change it looks like these hd channels are on that tp
KTVN CBS CH 2 AVAIL.
KRNV NBC CH 4 AVAIL.
KNPB PBS CH 5 TESTING
KOLO ABC CH 8 AVAIL.
KRXI FOX CH 11 AVAIL.
KAME MNT CH 21 TESTING
KREN CW CH 27 TESTING
at least that is what i am seeing in the tp list
Tech_1438
11-20-08, 05:14 PM
Fort Wayne, IN 46805
HD locals launched 11-19-08
Wish I had pics from before DirecTv lit up our locals.
In post #108, which provides the LIL data PDF's, some additions were made today:1. the "network_list" table and the "network decoder" documents have been moved to post #108 from an earlier post, so that all the docs are together in one post
2. in response to many requests, the LIL data is also provided as an Excel .xls file so folks can work with the data as they wish
doctor j
11-20-08, 07:28 PM
In post #108, which provides the LIL data PDF's, some additions were made today:1. the "network_list" table and the "network decoder" documents have been moved to post #108 from an earlier post, so that all the docs are together in one post
2. in response to many requests, the LIL data is also provided as an Excel .xls file so folks can work with the data as they wish
Thanks a bunch!!!!
I for one will work them over!
Doctor j
levibluewa
11-20-08, 09:33 PM
Just to verify your readings:
99s tps: 1-5 = 0
6 = 97
15 = 0
16 =25
17 & 18 = 0
19 = 85
20 = 74
21 = 94
22 = 80
23 & 24 = 0
103s tp 1-8 = 0
9-15 = 0
16 = 100
17 = 90
18 = 85
19-20 & 21 = 100
22-24 = 0
Is that correct? Can't tell by your screenshots.
Thanks
levibluewa
11-20-08, 10:08 PM
Screenshots 11-20-08; 9PM
levibluewa
11-20-08, 10:15 PM
Sat 103 tp 20...SkyboySea in Kingston shows 73
I, apx. 70 miles from him, show 0
Can any kind of time frame for getting KOCB (CW) & KETA (PBS) in HD turned on be inferred from this data?
We're only getting these stations in SD now.
649 ION 62 8 4 Sats @101W kopx
649 KFOR 4 16 D10 @103W kfordt
649 KOCO 5 16 D10 @103W kocodt
649 KWTV 9 16 D10 @103W kwtvdt
649 KAUT 43 20 D10 @103W kautdt
649 KETA 13 20 D10 @103W ketadt
649 KOCB 34 20 D10 @103W kocbdt
649 KOKH 25 20 D10 @103W kokhdt
649 KETA 13 23 D7S @119W keta
649 KFOR 4 23 D7S @119W nbc
649 KOCO 5 23 D7S @119W abc
649 KOKH 25 23 D7S @119W fox
649 KWTV 9 23 D7S @119W cbs
649 KAUT 43 29 D7S @119W mnt
649 KOCB 34 29 D7S @119W cw
649 KSBI 52 29 D7S @119W ksbi
649 KTUZ 30 29 D7S @119W ktuz
LameLefty
11-21-08, 10:19 AM
Can any kind of time frame for getting KOCB (CW) & KETA (PBS) in HD turned on be inferred from this data?
We're only getting these stations in SD now.
Nope. In some markets, at least, these placeholders have been transmitting for weeks or longer but not yet turned on with real local programming. I'm personally waiting on 4 in Nashville.
P Smith
11-21-08, 10:21 AM
Can any kind of time frame for getting KOCB (CW) & KETA (PBS) in HD turned on be inferred from this data?
We're only getting these stations in SD now.
Thank for your courtesy to posting valuable feedback here.;)
bobnielsen
11-21-08, 12:40 PM
Sat 103 tp 20...SkyboySea in Kingston shows 73
I, apx. 70 miles from him, show 0
I'm about 12 miles from Kingston in the opposite direction and tp 20 is currently showing 83. Perhaps it is aimed at Portland or somewhere else to the south.
levibluewa
11-21-08, 03:15 PM
I would expect a less rapid drop off within 70 miles.
Example: 103 tp 15 he shows 86 I show 76,
tp 16 he shows 68 I show 45
99 tp 15 he shows 22 I show 55 (Alaska spot?)
tp 23 he shows 31 I show 60 ( " " )
Wish there was a way to peek!
bobnielsen
11-21-08, 06:19 PM
Here are screenshots of my signal strength screen. These are a bit different than either of you and, of course, they do change a bit over time.
P Smith
12-03-08, 01:23 PM
No one posting question about PBS channels in the gct's tables today ?
Strange. :D
Denver locals still shown on both 99 and 103. I would still like to see "test" channels flagged in these lists in a future update if possible.
The notes for the HD test feed of our PBS affiliate (KRMA 6) on the 99 sat says "A3 Denver 6 KRMA PBS SW2," while the sat column indicates D11 instead of SW2.
The note for Azteca América (channel 27) indicates "kpxc" when the actual call letters are KZCO-LP (KPXC is our ION affiliate, channel 59).
Where are these notes coming from exactly?
doctor j
12-03-08, 02:18 PM
The HD PBS channels are listed in many markets.
Released or test.
The question is does the master table change and reflect which ones actually when live or how might we predict / confirm that.
Doctor j
doctor j
12-03-08, 02:24 PM
For example WTTW CHICAGO PBS was listed as TEST in NETWORK 550 D-10 Transponder 20.
Does an updated list now have that changed.
There are many markets with place holders for PBS HD ; Nashville and Birmingham to name 2 just off the top of my head.
Doctor j
P Smith
12-03-08, 02:42 PM
When gct will back in town, I think the tables will be updated.
doctor j
12-03-08, 02:45 PM
Thanks!
No complaints just an avid bystander.
Doctor j
inkahauts
12-03-08, 09:46 PM
So do we know yet it when they split vs and golf this morning if they replaced a ppv channel to add one of the channels, or did they light up a previously unused channel...
P Smith
12-03-08, 10:12 PM
I would say - Sixto should know, he is CONUS channels watcher. :)
So do we know yet it when they split vs and golf this morning if they replaced a ppv channel to add one of the channels, or did they light up a previously unused channel...Answer: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=1906118&postcount=646 :)
ShawnL25
12-05-08, 01:54 PM
Have any Test or Place holders appeared for the Dec. 10th national HD channel launch yet. Just wanted to see if we couldn't decipher what they may be lighting up by their map listing, similar to how you "discovered" Fox News. All signs point to a mini festivus but no one is talking yet. I’ve read we could expect as many as six new channels but try not to buy into the rumors to much. I still remember the Oct 1st guarantee I was alerted to and that didn’t work out to well.
All signs point to a mini festivus but no one is talking yet.
What signs are you looking at???
ShawnL25
12-05-08, 02:38 PM
What signs are you looking at???
I would rather not clog up this thread with theories and conjecture but you ask a fair question and as such I will provide more detail.
1. Satracer made mention to more HD channels near Thanksgiving; he then restated that there would be additions made in December. Technically there already has been i.e. Golf HD, Vs. HD and PBS.
2. I forget the OP but he called the PBS additions and the Golf Vs split. Now we all saw the split coming but PBS was pretty out of the blue. I take that to mean he knows what he’s saying and he said more on Wednesday.
3. I live in Houston (Pearland actually) and the guy at church that run’s the lights ( his name is Chip but that is all but inconsequential ) anyway he left D* and moved down here to take a position at the Dish Call Center in Alvin. He is by no means anything more than a manager of CSR’s but he claims to still have friends in the know back at D* and he told me this past Sunday that he had heard we would be getting more channels five or six on the 10th of December. Most likely the new Comcast suite as well as potentially the NBC/Universal channels, however I think he was just guessing. He did say E* would get Comedy Central this month so I guess they have worked out everything with Viacom.
I really have no real information I’m just hoping what I’ve read / heard adds up to a few new channels.
OK, thanks, guess we'll have to see if those signs are correct.
GlennDio
12-07-08, 08:32 AM
OK ...I am not the most techie person in the world but the way I read the LIL data on the Excel sheet for Tampa is that 3 channels that we currently only get SD in have HD channels out there PBS ch 3 and independent 32/38 (I think one of them is MYTV but that hardly counts as a network IMHO) which would leave us with only 66 PAX as an issue for us non-religious, non-Spanish speaking folks in Tampa (well 16 PBS would be SD as well but until recently they never showed anything in HD and anyway anything in HD could be seen on 3 PBS)
this is great news ( I have an HR22-100 in my study with no access to OTA and 3/32/38 pretty much make that good enough by far) ...just wish 66 would be considered they carry a fair amount of Rays games in HD and I have been a Rays fan since before it was trendy... LOL
I guess I want to know if I am reading it right or not and what the time frames are for launch if I am right (this year, early next year, or right at Feb 19th --or whatever DTV date is now)
LameLefty
12-07-08, 08:42 AM
I guess I want to know if I am reading it right or not and what the time frames are for launch if I am right (this year, early next year, or right at Feb 19th --or whatever DTV date is now)
No one outside of Directv knows the time frame.
GlennDio
12-07-08, 08:45 AM
No one outside of Directv knows the time frame.
but it does seem they have those 3 channels "ready to go" in HD right?
LameLefty
12-07-08, 09:26 AM
but it does seem they have those 3 channels "ready to go" in HD right?
I haven't looked at data for the DMA in question, but I have looked at mine and a few others. What the data means is that Directv has the channel bandwidth reserved on the transponders and is broadcasting test data. However, this data tells us nothing about the rest of the signal chain involved in getting the real channel data from the local, to the Directv local receive facility, through Directv infrastructure and back out to the uplink centers and out to the satellites back to us. ALL we know from this data is that the transponder space is there and ready.
doctor j
12-11-08, 11:10 AM
Really Really anxious to have a full update on Transponder/Channel/Network list.
Any hints?
Doctor j
P Smith
12-11-08, 07:36 PM
I guess we should wait 10 more days. ;)
hdtvfan0001
12-11-08, 07:47 PM
Last I read...Satracer indicated no more national HD channel starts for 2008, but 1 right after the holidays, and then maybe a cople more soon thereafter.
LameLefty
12-11-08, 07:59 PM
Last I read...Satracer indicated no more national HD channel starts for 2008, but 1 right after the holidays, and then maybe a cople more soon thereafter.
And he hits 9K in a non-anticipatory fashion! ;)
P Smith
12-11-08, 08:00 PM
Oh no ! Not here, please.
JoeTheDragon
12-11-08, 09:37 PM
Last I read...Satracer indicated no more national HD channel starts for 2008, but 1 right after the holidays, and then maybe a cople more soon thereafter.
Will a MLB network test feed show up before the end of the year?
After 'catching' a couple of potential Ka/Spots off DirecTV10 this last week, two new Ka/Spots have been added to the Seattle and Spokane beams, possibly in advance of more channel adds (PBS and more?):
Seattle:
16/20, now 16/19/20
Spokane (possible):
15/23, now 15/23/24
I'm 'guessing' a bit on the Spokanes, as I haven't been able to verify those (but are at the same approx. level wise). The Seattle spots are at 100+ at my location.
FYI, these were first noted yesterday, but have been 'up' for 24+ hours now, so it appears to be firm.
FYI, if it wasn't clear by the title, these are on DirecTV11 (99s).
levibluewa
12-21-08, 04:19 PM
After 'catching' a couple of potential Ka/Spots off DirecTV10 this last week, two new Ka/Spots have been added to the Seattle and Spokane beams, possibly in advance of more channel adds (PBS and more?):
Seattle:
16/20, now 16/19/20
Spokane (possible):
15/23, now 15/23/24
I'm 'guessing' a bit on the Spokanes, as I haven't been able to verify those (but are at the same approx. level wise). The Seattle spots are at 100+ at my location.
FYI, these were first noted yesterday, but have been 'up' for 24+ hours now, so it appears to be firm.
FYI, if it wasn't clear by the title, these are on DirecTV11 (99s).
Bellingham (95 mi. N of Seattle)...
I noted the following changes: 99b tp19...was 0, today 97
tp 24...was 0, today 43
103a tp20 was 0, on Dec. 14th was 62, today 0
tp24 was 0, on Dec. 14th was 16, today 0
Well, I thought when I waited a good 24+ hours that the new Seattle/Spokane spots were 'good to go'.
Yesterday mid-morning, the new ones (19/24) dropped to zero. Maybe just a small 'in advance' test. They're still down, with all this snow I'll be checking levels at least once a day.
BTW, I've only had to brush off the dish once 4 days ago, right at the start of this 'dump'. The snow has been of the 'non-sticky' variety, and the wind has kept the dish almost completely free of any 'debris', so to speak. And good too, as I got (total) between 8-10" so far. But it does make one check levels 2-3 times a day!
I have received a full, fresh run of all the LIL and CONUS Transponder data, as of 12/28/08.
I hope to have the data parsing, formatting and beautification done and posted tomorrow, 12/30/08.
I will start a new sticky thread with the new data posts.
On 12/31/08, THESE OLD DATA FILES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS THREAD HAVE BEEN DELETED. PLEASE GO TO THE NEW THREAD FOR THE MOST CURRENT TRANSPONDER DATA.
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