Israeli Terrorist Group claims responsibility for bombing Palestinian schookids

[Jack White]

This story is connected to the war in Iraq because Tony Blair wants to use the war against Iraq as a launching pad to resolve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
Blair probably thinks that Bush owes him because Blair risked his neck for Bush.
Blair probably thinks that if he puts tons of pressure on Bush, that he can get bush to be a little more evenhanded.
I'd say Blair will be VERY LUCKY if he can pressure Bush to be 99% pro Israeli and 1% pro Palestinian from the 100% Pro Israeli/Zero Percent Pro Palestinian that Bush has always been in the past.
Back to the topic, the news barely gives 2 seconds to this story, it if it were Israeli schookids instead of Palestinian schookids, then they'd have spent HOURS UPON HOURS UPON HOURS on this story and it would have been breaking news on all the news channels.
Most Israeli Terrorists don't even have to join Israeli Terrorist Groups, most Israeli terrorists can just join the IDF an murder all the Palestinian women and children they want and never have to worry about going to the hague because Israel can kick any war crimes tribunal's butt easily.
It's SHAMEFUL that Israeli and Pro Israeli TERRORIST GROUPS like "Revenge of the Babies", and Irv Rubin's "Jewish Defense League" are not on the US's offical list of terrorist groups.
The US MUST go after Israeli Terrorist groups to SHOW THE WORLD that the US really is AGAINT all terrorist and that this isn't just a war against Arabs.
There are many Israeli Terrorist groups EVEN THOUGH Israel is a regional Superpower and would be Israeli terrorists can just join the IDF and go and kill as many Palestinians as they want.
Can you even IMAGINE how many thousands of Israeli Terrorist Groups there would be if Israel was a military underdog?
Anyway, here's the article.






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Radical Jewish Group Claims Responsibility for W. Bank Blast
VOA News
09 Apr 2003, 12:39 UTC


A radical right-wing Jewish group has claimed responsibility for an
explosion at a Palestinian high school in the West Bank that has injured at
least 29 students.

The group, calling itself "Revenge of the Babies" said in a statement sent
to reporters Wednesday, that it had planted the bomb at the high school in
the village of Jaba, near Jenin, in revenge for what it called "the murders
of Jewish children by Palestinians". Palestinian medical officials say at
least four of the students are in serious condition.

Palestinian police say one of the students discovered the bomb, which went
off when the student came into contact with it. In a separate incident late
Tuesday, at least six Palestinians were killed by an Israeli airstrike in
Gaza City.

One of the dead has been identified as a senior member of Hamas' military
wing. He was killed when a missile fired by an Israeli aircraft blew up a
car in a residential neighborhood.

The militant group has vowed to avenge the attack, in which witnesses say at
least two other Hamas activists were killed and some 40 civilians were
reported wounded. Palestinian hospital officials say the dead included two
children.

Israeli security officials blame Hamas commander Arabeed for a series of
deadly attacks against Israelis, including a suicide bombing on a bus in Tel
Aviv in 1994 that left 21 people dead.



Some information for this report provided by AP, AFP and Reuters.

[Halfsek]

Originally posted by Jack White



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Radical Jewish Group Claims Responsibility for W. Bank Blast
VOA News
09 Apr 2003, 12:39 UTC


A radical right-wing Jewish group has claimed responsibility for an
explosion at a Palestinian high school in the West Bank that has injured at
least 29 students.

The group, calling itself "Revenge of the Babies" said in a statement sent
to reporters Wednesday, that it had planted the bomb at the high school in
the village of Jaba, near Jenin, in revenge for what it called "the murders
of Jewish children by Palestinians"...

Hmmm, the interesting part is that the note was written in Arabic. :)

Hit me baby one more time

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You're such an angel, Britney. <sigh>

Jack, on the rare occasion that I actually make it all the way through your posts, I do find nuggets of truth and <gasp!> logic. The problem is that the other 99.95% is of the "aliens are among us and are taking over the world" variety.
I actually respect your passion and enthusiasm, but I instantly get turned off when you assert such blatant lies and opinion as fact.

[gcutler]

Well this is my opinion

[Richard King]

It's interesting though that a person can actually walk the fence on this topic. Now, I myself could fall off the fence on the side of either of the 2nd or 3rd post above. I guess expressing a diversity of opinion is a good thing.

[Rick_EE]

Originally posted by Jack White
Can you even IMAGINE how many thousands of Israeli Terrorist Groups there would be if Israel was a military underdog?&nbsp;


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Israel would not exist if they were the military underdong.

[toenail]

Please, please, please! Let's back back to the serious intellectual discussion that Jack started here. My position on this issue is as follows:


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[Halfsek]

Originally posted by Jack White

The US MUST go after Israeli Terrorist groups...

The US does. There is an Israeli terrorist in jail right now for trying to blow up a Mosque in Los Angeles.

In theory, you're right. All terrorism directed towards innocent civilians must be stopped. It's the lowest form of man (or woman and children in the Palestinian case) that exists.

So why don't you complain about Palestinians (and Iraqi's) using ambulances and transportation vehicles for terrorists?

[gcutler]

Originally posted by toenail
Please, please, please! Let's back back to the serious intellectual discussion that Jack started here. My position on this issue is as follows:

I find it hard to disagree with your and Halfsek's arguments, I still think I'm right, but It isn't hard to see your point of view. ;)

[Richard King]

My position on this issue is as follows:Who would I be to argue with such logic? Ah, diversity.

[firephoto]

I can think of a few positions on that issue I would take up. ;)

[Jack White]

Originally posted by Rick Densing


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Israel would not exist if they were the military underdong.

Tell that to the families of the people who were murdered by Israeli terrorists in the King David Hotel in the 1940s.
The British Empire was certainly stronger militarily than Israel, and EVEN today the UK being just a shell of the British Empire is stronger militarily than Israel.
That being said, the British Empire wasn't even really an enemy of Israel, but the they were stronger than Israel and Israel terrorists DID use terrorism against them.
BTW, Israel would still exist even if it was the weakest country in the Middle East cause that's the bottom line cause THE USA SAID SO.

[gcutler]

Jack...Jack...Jack...

[Halfsek]

Originally posted by Jack White


Tell that to the families of the people who were murdered by Israeli terrorists in the King David Hotel in the 1940s.
The British Empire was certainly stronger militarily than Israel, and EVEN today the UK being just a shell of the British Empire is stronger militarily than Israel.
That being said, the British Empire wasn't even really an enemy of Israel, but the they were stronger than Israel and Israel terrorists DID use terrorism against them.
BTW, Israel would still exist even if it was the weakest country in the Middle East cause that's the bottom line cause THE USA SAID SO.

True, Jews did use terrorism against the Brisitish- but against the British military. But lest you forget, the Arabs were still practicing terrorism against Jewish civilians.. even back then.

Yummy!
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[Richard King]

So many opinions, so little time. :D

[lee635]

Originally posted by Halfsek


So why don't you complain about Palestinians (and Iraqi's) using ambulances and transportation vehicles for terrorists?

Your argument is a nonstarter. The original post complains about an apparent double standard with the US Governement and the press. The original post does not appear to be defending terrorism, rather the writer is seeking a level playing field. One may rightly ask why isn't the "Revenge of the Babies" group on the US State Department terror list?

The poster also alleges that terrorist actions against Israelis garner more airtime in the US media than similar actions perpetrated against Palestinians. Following this same logic, one needs to add that Arab press devotes more airtime to attacks on Palestinians...

I honestly think both sides have commited grave human rights violations, and neither of these combatants has any claim to the moral high ground.

But as they say, Where there is no justice, there is violence...

[Halfsek]

Originally posted by lee635


Your argument is a nonstarter. The original post complains about an apparent double standard with the US Governement and the press. The original post does not appear to be defending terrorism, rather the writer is seeking a level playing field. One may rightly ask why isn't the "Revenge of the Babies" group on the US State Department terror list?

The poster also alleges that terrorist actions against Israelis garner more airtime in the US media than similar actions perpetrated against Palestinians. Following this same logic, one needs to add that Arab press devotes more airtime to attacks on Palestinians...

I honestly think both sides have commited grave human rights violations, and neither of these combatants has any claim to the moral high ground.

But as they say, Where there is no justice, there is violence...

Actually the question I posed was more due to his other posts.
Maybe the reason "terrorist" actions (and I put that in quotes since there has been no follow up stories on that bombing) against Palestinians are done by lone groups or individuals; not by government sanctions organizations like Fatah.

Israel has it's problems, an Israeli killed a Prime Minister. But the government does not finance and direct terror squads to blow up Palestinian school busses.

[gcutler]

Originally posted by Halfsek
True...

If you reply to Jack's post in an attempt to debate, he'll be obliged to reply and continue to post, defeating the Yummy Picture post. ;)

[James_F]

But Israelis are still murdering people...

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=396369

A British peace activist was pronounced brain-dead yesterday after being shot in the head by an Israeli army sniper.

Tom Hurndall, 21, from London, was shot while trying to rescue Palestinian children from a street where they were pinned down by Israeli gunfire.
I hate it when those peace activists come at you with a flower. :rolleyes:

[Halfsek]

Originally posted by James_F
But Israelis are still murdering people...


I would state it that people are still dying in a war zone.
I simply do not believe that the Isareli army is targeting peaceful people who's only intentions are to save children.

If this were the case, then that soldier should be put away for life- since Israel does not have a death penalty.

But these peace protesters aren't as peaceful as they seem. Many of them help out terrorists by providing them transportation and by hiding them from Israeli authorities.

It is a dangerous and confusing place to be in.

But this article just shows the blatant bias of the author:
Tom Hurndall, 21, from London, was shot while trying to rescue Palestinian children from a street where they were pinned down by Israeli gunfire...

So according to the author, the children were being targeting by Israeli gunfire, since they were 'pinned down'. Since the article didn't mention aything about anyone firing at the Israelis, I suppose now the army has a policy of picking off Palestinian children?

[Halfsek]

Originally posted by gcutler


If you reply to Jack's post in an attempt to debate, he'll be obliged to reply and continue to post, defeating the Yummy Picture post. ;)

My friend, you mistake my intentions. A post from Jack is just another excuse for me to respond with another yummy.. :righton:

[James_F]

Originally posted by Halfsek
But this article just shows the blatant bias of the author:
Unlike yours? :confused:

[Halfsek]

Originally posted by James_F

Unlike yours? :confused:

I'm not a newspaper columnist.

But when someone writes a column stating that children were pinned down by gunfire, leaving the reader to assume that the children were targets, I find that to be highly inaccurate and biased reporting.

You don't?

Unless of course you believe that the Israeli's were targeting children.

[RichW]

Some of those "kids" also hurl rocks and even molatov cocktails at Israeli soldiers.

The real source of terrorism, after Al Qaeda, is not in Iraq, but in Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank. There will never be peace in the Middle East until the radical suicide-bombing factions there are quelled.

[Halfsek]

Another intersting fact is that why are there always children around whenever there is a firefight.

It's amazing. It's as if the Israeli army attracts Palestinian children like bears to honey.

I'm going out on a limb here. I have this suspicion that these children do now toddle over to those battle on their own two little feet. So the big question remains, how do they get there?

That was rhetorical.

[James_F]

Gee if Children are around then why shoot real bullets? Just proves that israel is a third world country.

[Halfsek]

Originally posted by James_F
Gee if Children are around then why shoot real bullets? Just proves that israel is a third world country.

You really don't get it, do you? Even Jack White puts more thought into his posts.

Let me spell it out. The reason that children are around is because the Palestinian terrorists use them as human shields.

I'm not surprised that you forget that Israeli medics even try to save the lives of suicide bombers- while Palestinian medics use ambulances to transport suicide bombers.

[James_F]

You don't get it either. Killing children no matter where they are is very bad. You don't see the U.S. blowing up schools in Iraq do you?

[Halfsek]

I get it now, if Israelis accidentally kill children, that means that the Israelis are "murdering people."

If the Palestinians use children as human shields, then it's okay.

You don't see the U.S. blowing up schools in Iraq do you?
I dunno... Clinton blew up a baby milk factory.

But you're right, as long as the Palestinians, or any criminal for that matter, has children around, they can go shoot and kill people since it would be too dangerous for law enforcement to respond... since the child might get hurt.

[James_F]

Originally posted by Halfsek
I get it now, if Israelis accidentally kill children, that means that the Israelis are "murdering people."
Where did I say they were murdering people? I Said its not OK to shoot children to matter how they are being used. Yes its sick the Palestinians are using children, but do the children have any choice? No as long as the current Palestinian leadership is intact. BUT that does not give Israel the right to shoot children. Yes its a very hard place to be, but no child deserves to die like this.
I dunno... Clinton blew up a baby milk factory.
So Clinton was a fool.

But you're right, as long as the Palestinians, or any criminal for that matter, has children around, they can go shoot and kill people since it would be too dangerous for law enforcement to respond... since the child might get hurt.
YES. Children are innocent.

[Halfsek]

Originally posted by James_F

Where did I say they were murdering people?

Here:
But Israelis are still murdering people...


We both agree that the killing of children is a horrible tragedy. But in this case, there is a right and a wrong.

The Palestinians are doing the wrong thing by using children as human shields. The Israelis are doing the righ thing by being as careful as possible when innocents are around.
This is proven by the fact that so *few* innocents are killed even though there are Palestinian children at every demonstration and gun battle.

Hey, we agree about Clinton. :)

[James_F]

Originally posted by Halfsek


Here:

That doesn't sound like me... :D



We both agree that the killing of children is a horrible tragedy. But in this case, there is a right and a wrong.

The Palestinians are doing the wrong thing by using children as human shields. The Israelis are doing the righ thing by being as careful as possible when innocents are around.
This is proven by the fact that so *few* innocents are killed even though there are Palestinian children at every demonstration and gun battle.

Well at no level does killing kids no matter where they are is "right". One child killed over this stupid spat by their parents (on both sides because I do realize Palastinians are killing Israeli kids too) is too much. What we will have is a generation of childeren, both Israeli and Palestinian who will not be able to trust each other. At that point I say we take the area away from both Jew and Palastinian and give it to the Mormons. :p

[Halfsek]

Originally posted by James_F

At that point I say we take the area away from both Jew and Palastinian and give it to the Mormons. :p

No, you have to do what Dennis Miller said- give the Palestinians the Casinos. Hell, it worked for the Indians. Not only that, they're already named the Dunes, Sahara....

Or, "Other than the bomb on their chests, I don't know what makes the Palestinians tick."

[Bogy]

Originally posted by Halfsek
The Palestinians are doing the wrong thing by using children as human shields. The Israelis are doing the righ thing by being as careful as possible when innocents are around.
This is proven by the fact that so *few* innocents are killed even though there are Palestinian children at every demonstration and gun battle.So few? Hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed as "collateral damage" by Israelis. It's not a matter of "human shields," it's a matter that the Israeli forces just go ahead and shoot no matter who is in the way. Plenty of videos and still pictures have illustrated this. I know you are conservative, but for a change try to open your mind to the fact that this is a case where both sides are wrong, and there is no one without bloody hands.

[Halfsek]

Hundreds of innocent children? I question your numbers.

That little conservative comment was a nice touch. You not so subtly equated Conservatives with being closed minded and heartless. But of course the "Bush was selected not elected" crowd is very open minded.

You're the type of person the Palestinans aim for. They use children as shields just so people like you will condemn Israel for killing children. The fact that these children are stationed in front of gun wielding terrorists by their Palestinian parents just happens to get in the way of your preconceived idea that Israel bad, Palestinians good.

[Bogy]

I already provided the link to the numbers of people killed by both sides during the conflict in another thread, and if anything I placed the number low because I didn't want to go looking for it. You are misled about the numbers because our media seldom covers the death of Palestinian children. Liberal Bias you know. :rolleyes:

I made the "conservative" comment because that is the dictionary definition of conservative. Someone who is close minded. And yes, the definition of liberal is someone whose mind is open.

The problem with your rationalization that Palestinian parents are heartless enough to place their children as human shields (just another way of saying "these people are subhuman, because they don't care for their children the way we do. this rationalization has been used by bigots for millenia.) is that cameras have shown many of the children caught by the crossfire being shielded by their parents, whose bodies were unfortunately no up to the task of stopping automatic weapons fire.
your preconceived idea that Israel bad, Palestinians good.
I'm the one who stated that there are no righteous in this conflict. They all have bloody hands. You, Halfsek, are the one who insists that everything that Palestine does is bad, while Israel is totally blameless. But then again, I guess that's the result of having such an open mind. :rolleyes:

[Halfsek]

Originally posted by Bogy
I already provided the link to the numbers of people killed by both sides during the conflict in another thread...
I specified children.
Not all people killed by Israelis.


I made the "conservative" comment because that is the dictionary definition of conservative. Someone who is close minded.
According to Dictionary.com, conservative means someone who is opposed to change. I wouldn't necessarily consider that close minded. Unless of course you're opposed to changing the rights of minorities to how they were 100 years ago.. or would that be closed minded?

The problem with your rationalization that Palestinian parents are heartless enough to place their children as human shields (just another way of saying "these people are subhuman, because they don't care for their children the way we do. this rationalization has been used by bigots for millenia.)
I'll say it now- Any culture where the parents use their children as flak jackets and as suicide bombers to blow up other children has not shown that they have the competency to run a country.
Even sub human creatures protect their children better than many of these Palestinian parents do.

is that cameras have shown many of the children caught by the crossfire being shielded by their parents, whose bodies were unfortunately no up to the task of stopping automatic weapons fire.
Why are they caught in the crossfire to begin with? They were brought by their parents.


I'm the one who stated that there are no righteous in this conflict. They all have bloody hands. You, Halfsek, are the one who insists that everything that Palestine does is bad, while Israel is totally blameless. But then again, I guess that's the result of having such an open mind. :rolleyes:
You're right, there isn't a righteous in this. Just as there isn't a Palestine in this. But considering how much restraint the Israelis have been using, I think they're doing the best they can under the circumstances.

If you have a man with a machine gun and and a baby shooting up a crowd, what do you do? Let him kill everyone because he has a baby with him?

No, you get a sniper to try to pick him off without hitting the baby.

[Bogy]

I was talking about just children. The total number of Palestinians killed by Israelis is well over 3,000, which is well over double the number of Israelis killed by Palestinians.

Children, with their parents, are killed by Israelis in crossfire because the Israelis open fire when they think they can get their target, regardless of who else may be in the way. Much like we dropped several bombs on a Baghdad restaurant hoping to kill Saddam, without worrying about who else might be living in the neighborhood or eating in the restaurant.

But I know this will make no difference to you, because you are not interested in the facts, your mind is already made up.

There, all cleaned up. :D

[Richard King]

irregardless :D

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