Need help learning from R64R to RX remote.

[Maveri9720]

Hey all, great forum. Have learned quite a bit here.

I just upgraded to HD and have an HR22 and the R64R remote. I have a Pioneer receiver that has a learning remote. Previously, I had a Phillips DVR that I was able to "learn" to the Pioneer remote just fine. I just tried "learning" some buttons from the R64R to the Pioneer and every time I came up with an error on the Pioneer remote.

Is there something I don't know about the R64R? I did the remote reset to make sure I wasn't in RF mode. The Pioneer remote registers a signal from the R64R when I press a button and then displays "error", so I know the signal is leaving the R64R and getting to the Pioneer remote.

Can anyone help me with this please?

Thanks.

[houskamp]

try different distances.. also up and down can help too..

[Maveri9720]

Yea, I tried that. I had a few problems when trying to program the Phillips DVR and solved them by moving them closer/farther apart, but that didn't work in this instance.

[Edmund]

You reset the receiver through the menu using the remote? If the receiver were in RF mode, it will still be in RF mode.

To switch the receiver out of rf mode you have to switch it to IR mode through the menu, then the remote will stop controlling the receiver, to switch the remote to IR mode, which can be done by 3 ways:

1. dtv
2. press and hold MUTE & SELECT for two blinks
3. enter 9 6 1
4. press CH DOWN

or

1. dtv
2. press and hold MUTE & SELECT for two blinks
3. enter 0 0 0 0 1

or you can reset the whole remote:


1. press and hold MUTE & SELECT for two blinks
2. enter 9 8 1

[Maveri9720]

You reset the receiver through the menu using the remote? If the receiver were in RF mode, it will still be in RF mode.

To switch the receiver out of rf mode you have to switch it to IR mode through the menu, then the remote will stop controlling the receiver, to switch the remote to IR mode, which can be done by 3 ways:

1. dtv
2. press and hold MUTE & SELECT for two blinks
3. enter 9 6 1
4. press CH DOWN

or

1. dtv
2. press and hold MUTE & SELECT for two blinks
3. enter 0 0 0 0 1

or you can reset the whole remote:


1. press and hold MUTE & SELECT for two blinks
2. enter 9 8 1

Yea, I did the first set of commands and after the CH Down, I get 4 blinks. So I should be in IR mode. I was able to program the Prev. Ch on the Pioneer, but anything else has been a no-go. Really frustrating.

[Edmund]

Try new batteries in both remotes.

When teaching, press and release the key on the pioneer remote you want to teach to, do not hold.

And use abrupt and short key press on the directv remote, to send the command to learning remote.

[Maveri9720]

Thanks for help.

I've tried both and neither solve the problem.

I've seen mention of incompatibility of IR code between the RC64R and the older Pioneer remote and someone having success using an IR extender as an intermediary programmer between the Pioneer and the Directv remote.

Just wish I knew if it was a hard conflict and that there isn't a way around it or if it is possible to program it. Then at least I could decide to live with it or buy a Harmony-type remote.

Thanks for the help again.

[DBSNewbie]

Although not the same remote as yours, I noticed that when learning commands to my universal remote, the lighting in the room can influence whether or not the IR command is properly accepted by the remote.

In addition to changing the distances between the remotes, try also doing the learning in different lighting. In my experience, florescent lights give the remotes a hard time, so try to avoid that. Naturally sunlit rooms (but not direct sunlight hitting the remote) seemed to work out best for me.

I hope this helps.

[Edmund]

Thanks for help.

I've tried both and neither solve the problem.

I've seen mention of incompatibility of IR code between the RC64R and the older Pioneer remote and someone having success using an IR extender as an intermediary programmer between the Pioneer and the Directv remote.

Just wish I knew if it was a hard conflict and that there isn't a way around it or if it is possible to program it. Then at least I could decide to live with it or buy a Harmony-type remote.

Thanks for the help again.


Well, I pulled out a very old Pioneer remote, its CU-AV100 from 1987. taught the commands for both addresses, 00001 & 00003. no trouble here.

I can only suggest picking up one of the following radio shack models, 15-133, 15-134, or 15-135. using setup code SAT 01377, use it to teach the pioneer remote. You have a month to pick between the pioneer and RS remote. :)

Of course the rat shack remote won't have a preset code for the alternate codeset, 00003.

[Maveri9720]

Well, I pulled out a very old Pioneer remote, its CU-AV100 from 1987. taught the commands for both addresses, 00001 & 00003. no trouble here.

I can only suggest picking up one of the following radio shack models, 15-133, 15-134, or 15-135. using setup code SAT 01377, use it to teach the pioneer remote. You have a month to pick between the pioneer and RS remote. :)

Of course the rat shack remote won't have a preset code for the alternate codeset, 00003.

I'm sorry, but I have to admit to being remote illiterate. I've seen 00001 and 00003 before, but I don't understand what they mean. Also, why do I only have a month to decide?

Can you help me with my ignorance please?

[Edmund]

Codes 00001 & 00003 are only in the white directv remotes. In the Menu of the receiver the factory default codeset is called "Directv", which actually code 00001 in the white remotes. Where in the case of the HD dvr's the alternate codeset is called AV1/AV2 in the menu, but is actually code 00003 in the remote.


As for only having a month, its my way of saying you can return the radio shack remote if you no longer need it, once you get your use out of it. :)

[Maveri9720]

Ok, that makes some sense. Now, if I go and pick up one of these RS remotes, I use the set-up code 01377 to program the remote and then use this remote to teach the Pioneer, correct? Will everything be mapped to the RS remote, including the colored buttons? Also, I'm alittle confused as to where the alternate code comes in?

Thanks for your info and patience.

[RACJ2]

Sometimes you fill up the memory and a learning remote won't be able to add any more commands. You might try deleting a key that you saved previously and see if you can get it to learn a D* code. If it does, the memory is full.

[Maveri9720]

Sometimes you fill up the memory and a learning remote won't be able to add any more commands. You might try deleting the command you saved and see if you can get it to learn a D* code. If it does, the memory is full.

Yea, I thought of that too. I deleted a previous command and tried to load a new one to it. Didn't work. So I then erased all learned commands on the remote and tried again and it still didn't work.

Thanks though.

[Edmund]

Ok, that makes some sense. Now, if I go and pick up one of these RS remotes, I use the set-up code 01377 to program the remote and then use this remote to teach the Pioneer, correct? Will everything be mapped to the RS remote, including the colored buttons? Also, I'm alittle confused as to where the alternate code comes in?

Thanks for your info and patience.

Only the RS 15-133 & 15-134 have actual color keys. But each can accept advanced codes, these are 5 digit codes for individual functions, like the following:

red-00008
green-00024
yellow-00032
blue-00240
menu-00019
back-00251
list-00099
advance-00123
replay-00131
discrete off-00006
discrete on-00014

to map above to keys on the RS remote:

1. sat
2. press and hold P for two blinks
3. enter 9 9 4
4. tap P for one blink
5. enter 5 digit advanced code from above list
6. pick an unused key

So even the 15-135 lacks the color keys, by mapping the above codes to certain keys, it will now have the color commands as well.

The alternate codeset is only if you have more then one HD dvr.

[Maveri9720]

Only the RS 15-133 & 15-134 have actual color keys. But each can accept advanced codes, these are 5 digit codes for individual functions, like the following:

red-00008
green-00024
yellow-00032
blue-00240
menu-00019
back-00251
list-00099
advance-00123
replay-00131
discrete off-00006
discrete on-00014

to map above to keys on the RS remote:

1. sat
2. press and hold P for two blinks
3. enter 9 9 4
4. tap P for one blink
5. enter 5 digit advanced code from above list
6. pick an unused key

So even the 15-135 lacks the color keys, by mapping the above codes to certain keys, it will now have the color commands as well.

The alternate codeset is only if you have more then one HD dvr.

Much better. I understand now. Thank you for your time and info.

I'll pick up one of your recommended RS remotes and program everything I want to it and see if I can get the Pioneer to learn those commands.

Hopefully this will work and save me hundreds of dollars.

Thanks again for the advice.

[Maveri9720]

Well, this sux. I just picked up the 15-133 and entered 01377 and verified that it operated my HD-DVR and I am still getting errors trying to program my Pioneer. I went and grabbed my older Tivo remote and tried teaching that to the Pioneer and it accepted it on the first try. I put fresh batteries in all remotes and am in my office with only indirect light coming into the room.

I don't know what else to do, except start researching what a good universal remote for me would be.

Anyone have anymore suggestions????