MLB Extra Innings

[treader19]

Does anyone know if Dish has ever tried to get MLB extra innings?

[John Corn]

DirecTV has mini dish rights to it untill the end of the season. Let's hope they get it next year.

[JohnH]

Prior to the beginning of last season there was a report from MLBEI that they were close to an agreement, but as one can tell it did not happen and DirecTV claims to have an exclusive through this season.

[DCSholtis]

According to comments from Murdoch....once he gets the approval for D* he is going to try to move toward MORE exclusive sports deals....so the end of the season should be very interesting......

[Mark L]

Obviously the Charlie Chat tonight cleared this issue up, Dish will have EI next year as it's still exclusive to D* for 2003. I don't care for baseball, but this is good news for those who do.

[Scott Greczkowski]

Dish WILL NOT have MLB EI next year by default. They will just try BIDDING on the rights. DirecTV could overbid Dish just like they did for the NFL Sunday Ticket and Dish could be still without the MLB EI next year.

[jeffwtux]

DCSholitis:
What do you mean "more exclusive contracts"? Could the possibly get the NHL and NBA packages again exclusively next year? Didn't dish sign a contract for more than one year? So are you basically saying they will make sure MLB EI is still exclusive to Direct at least in DBS? I personally don't care about that. Most people have plenty of baseball already.

[DCSholtis]

What I mean is that when Dish's deals with the NHL and NBA are near to completion look for Rupe to POSSIBLY try to grab back the exclsivity. This is a post of a NY Times story in General Forums that quoted Rupert saying the same thing about sports exclusivity deals.

[adkeith]

You need to get the wording right, you mean monopoly not exclusive.

[James_F]

Originally posted by adkeith
You need to get the wording right, you mean monopoly not exclusive.
Uh you need to get your definitions rights. Exclusive means that there was open bidding and one party paid money to broadcast it. Monopoly would be if Dish bought DirecTV. :rolleyes:

[Ira Lacher]

With the DOJ and the FCC waiting to pounce on his buyout, I doubt whether Rupe would do anything predatory such as try to squeeze Charlie out of any contract. Bear in mind that the final disposition of the buyout probably wouldn't take place until after the baseball and probably the football seasons end.

[James_F]

The fact the DirecTV has exclusive rights to these sports packages has nothing to do with the DOJ or FCC. If Dish doesn't want to pay money to have these contracts OR DirecTV wants to pay extra for exclusive, there is nothing that says they can't.

[dbronstein]

Exactly. If Direc gets exclusive rights through an open bidding process it is perfectly legal.

Dennis

[FTA Michael]

My wild guess: Based on past performance, Rupert will do everything possible to position D* as The Sports Fan's DBS, and will pay the extra bucks to get exclusivity when he can.

Guess continues: Charlie (or whoever stays with Dish) positions E* as The Non-Sports Fan's DBS, aka the cheaper DBS. AT50 is a good example of what this might look like relative to D*.

So all those folks here who complain about the cost of sports programming will save $5/month or whatever with Dish, while us sports fanatics will bolt to the Fox Empire.

And to answer the direct question, I doubt that Dish will get MLBEI in 2004. But I'm often wrong. :)

[Ronmort]

I could be wrong, but I doubt we will see any more exclusive small dish contracts for the NBA, NHL, or MLB packages after the MLB contract runs out this year. They will most likely be made available to any cable or satellite service which wants to market them. I think both DTV and Dish would have had the MLB EI this year if it wasn't for the last year of that exclusive deal. Ever since In Demand began marketing these packages, the whole philosophy of exclusivity has changed. The sports leagues probably now make more money just making them available to anyone who wants them. It's just that the MLB EI contract carried into this year. Of course, the NFL ST is another story.

[James_F]

MLBEI is already available on InDemand and has been for some years. DirecTV only owns the SAT exclusive rights.

[adkeith]

Maybe this will help some of you understand.

Monopoly= 1. The exclusive ownership or control of a specific commodity or service. 2. Exclusive possesion or control of anything.

Directv having control over small dish broadcast rights is a monopoly to say the least. If dish had NFL and MLB the price would probably be 30% cheaper than your paying now. With no competition on sports packages you have to pay dearly for what you get.

[James_F]

You don't know anything.

InDemand has access to MLB EI.

Doesn't sound like a monopoly to me...

You can get baseball games on Dish right? :rolleyes:

[Greg Bimson]

Maybe you need to understand.

DirecTV does not have "control over small dish broadcast rights". DirecTV will pay $2 billion for the next five seasons of NFL, which sold DirecTV the small dish rights. That makes the NFL a monopoly by your definition.

As a matter of fact, let's put your definition to the test:

1) The exclusive ownership or control of a specific commodity or service.

The NFL is not a commodity or service. The NFL is a business.

2) Exclusive possesion or control of anything.

DirecTV only posesses a contract for pay television rights for the next 3 years. There is no control. The control is also held by the NFL.

Your definitions are way off.

[Karl Foster]

Pretty simple to me. Let Dish know of your approval of not having NFLST and MLBEI by voting with your wallet. All the pissing and moaning is meaningless unless action is taken. If having MLBEI is paramount, you know what you need to do - switch to digital cable or Directv. Quit whining and act.

[Scott Greczkowski]

I agree with what Karl is saying, even when their exclusive contract is up there is no guarentee that Dish Networkk will bid enough to obtain the programs and thus DirecTV can outbid them and possible hold exclusive contracts again.

[TerryC]

Same for those who want YES. Quit whining and do what you need to do. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

It seems like it would make sense for the Sports "businesses" to allow the packages for both sat providers. It would definately open them up to more potential revenue. Based on the customer base of both sat providers, exclusive contracts in this area seem be poor business for the sports agencies but good business for the sat providers....

[Greg Bimson]

It seems like it would make sense for the Sports "businesses" to allow the packages for both sat providers. It would definately open them up to more potential revenue.The NFL will be receiving on average of $400 million a year from DirecTV. If you can explain how opening up NFL Sunday Ticket to all providers would net the NFL more than $400 million a year, you might be able to convince us.

[DCSholtis]

Now remember that Charlie has paid for the first years installment of the ST for D*......Thats the ONE and ONLY good thing to come out of that aborted E*/D* abomination.

[DCSholtis]

Originally posted by James_F
You don't know anything.

InDemand has access to MLB EI.

Doesn't sound like a monopoly to me...

You can get baseball games on Dish right? :rolleyes:

Except for 75 Tribe games....:lol:

[Ronmort]

There used to be an upfront bidding fee for NBA LP and NHL CI. I "think" this has changed. They now sell their programming through DTV, DN, and In Demand, and the services and the sports leagues share in the the fees paid by each individual subscriber. I am just guessing that MLB EI is (or will be) doing the same since In Demand became involved. We will have to see what happens next year. This last contract with DTV was made three years ago. Which ever way makes the most money for MLB is the way it will be sold. If it was said on Charlie Chat that Dish will have MLB EI, it will probably happen next year.

[Mark L]

Originally posted by DCSholtis


Except for 75 Tribe games....:lol:

DC, I think I speak for a lot of people here when I say that you are getting to be VERY obnoxious with your constant silly bashing of Dish. You don't have Dish yourself, so please keep your comments to yourself if all you want to do is be childish. Scott has recently added a Directv forum, so I think you would enjoy yourself more if you stayed in that area and left those of us that are happy with Dish alone.

[Mark L]

I don't think either DBS provider would have any desire for any type of exclusive on EI next year since digital cable already has it. I HIGHLY doubt either Dish or Direct will bid for exclusive rights.

[James_F]

Originally posted by Mark L
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I think Dish sucks too.... :rolleyes:

[adkeith]

Maybe when Rupe screws all of you over on the sports packages in the future maybe then you can figure it out. You think the Dish/Directv would have been a monopoly but exclusive packages are not. I still find it amazing how many people buy those packages just to watch rapist,murderers, and drug users play ball.

[DCSholtis]

Have any proof of that Keith before you go slandering various players?!!!

[platinum]

Originally posted by adkeith
Maybe when Rupe screws all of you over on the sports packages in the future maybe then you can figure it out. You think the Dish/Directv would have been a monopoly but exclusive packages are not. I still find it amazing how many people buy those packages just to watch rapist,murderers, and drug users play ball.

It's not a monopoly if E* chooses not to out bid D* for the package, it's business. E-mail cheap Charlie and complain. If you dont like it switch providers. Now would you like some cheese with that whine?

[Greg Bimson]

Maybe when Rupe screws all of you over on the sports packages in the future maybe then you can figure it out.Hmm.

NFL Sunday Ticket contract is five years.

No exclusive on the rest of the packages. So far, NewsCorp and Fox have no way to screw us over on sports packages, for five years. Unless the price will be raised over time. Of course, the price for Sunday Ticket has been raised every year since its inception.You think the Dish/Directv would have been a monopoly but exclusive packages are not.Watch this:

When I say pro football, you say NFL.

When I say pro basketball, you say NBA.

The commodity is pro football. The monopoly is the NFL.

An exclusive package is not a monopoly. That is like saying NBC has a monopoly on "Friends".I still find it amazing how many people buy those packages just to watch rapist,murderers, and drug users play ball.And I find it amazing that this sentence is being used to try and make a coherent argument against exclusive sports packages.

[adkeith]

All you have to do is read the papers and pay attention. Portland Trailblazers,Dallas Cowboys, Strawberry and the list goes on and on. Auto Racing and the NHL is the only sports that have any decent humans with morals. The NHLCI package is wonderful on the Dish network. Hopefully Dish never gets the NFL and the MLB so we can continue these arguments in the future.

[FTA Michael]

By that reasoning, you've probably stopped watching Hollywood movies and TV shows. They're filled with actors and actresses, and you can read the news to see that some of them get into trouble too.

And you've stopped watching the news channels. All those politicians, and some of them have done awful things.

I can think of two NASCAR figures who have received presidential pardons, but pardons wipe a record clean, so they're really okay again.

And then there's the NHL, the only team sport that permits players to throw punches without fear of suspension. According to a Canadian site, the NHL does not test its athletes for drugs unless a player has voluntarily entered one of the league's substance abuse programs. This caused concern when several of its players played in the Winter Olympics, which tested all athletes. Despite knowing in advance of the tests, one player tested positive for steroids. Sports Illustrated reported that about 20 per cent of NHL players use over-the-counter drugs that contain stimulants before games. The story: http://www.canoe.ca/2002GamesHockeyJan02/0123_ohl-cp.html

Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Matthew 7:1 - Judge not, that ye be not judged.

We've all made mistakes, some worse than others. One of the benefits of hating the sin but forgiving the sinner is that I get to watch sports with a clear conscience. Maybe you'd like to give it a chance?

[adkeith]

Yes my list of hollywood anti-war prima donna's is growing daily. You are correct about the pardons, Junior Johnson ran some moonshine years ago and Rick Hendrick made a large donation and recieved one from the Clinton pardon purchasing agency. Theoren Fleury in the NHL has a problem and has for a long time. Those few instances is less than one day of spring training camp for other sports. Maybe its just coincidence that you are not constantly reading about the NHL or Nascar guys getting arrested but you know its not.

[jened]

i don't think it would make a lot of business sense for E* to seriously go after MLBEI without coming to terms with YES first. there goes a lot of the appeal - especially to NY baseball fans like myself who have stuck with E* for some strange reason ;) but i'm not a business man.

[zimm0who0net]

Originally posted by James_F

Uh you need to get your definitions rights. Exclusive means that there was open bidding and one party paid money to broadcast it. Monopoly would be if Dish bought DirecTV. :rolleyes:

Call it what you want, but the end result to the consumer is EXACTLY the same.&nbsp; I have only a single choice and DirecTV can charge whatever they feel like without fear of competition.&nbsp;

Cable is pseudo competitor with the&nbsp;inDemand MLB/EE, just exactly how cable was a pseudo competitor to the DirecTV/E* merged entity.&nbsp; Unfortunately there is no Digital Cable in my area (hence only&nbsp;2 inDemand stations and NO MLB/EE)

Exclusive contracts are designed with one goal in mind...to screw the consumer.&nbsp; Ever wonder why certain brands of stereo and computer equipment are never available through mail-order.&nbsp; It's because the manufacturer has setup geographic exclusive areas where only certain dealers can sell within.&nbsp; Surprise surprise, it's exactly those same brands that always sell for MSRP and never go on sale...

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[Greg Bimson]

Call it what you want, but the end result to the consumer is EXACTLY the same. I have only a single choice and DirecTV can charge whatever they feel like without fear of competition. Uh, but the NFL made the choice there would be only one carrier for Sunday Ticket. Sure, the end result to the consumer may be the same, but it is the NFL's choice for exclusive distributorships.

Why isn't anyone complaining about the NFL's business policies?

[James_F]

Originally posted by zimm0who0net
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Uh so what is your point? You do have a choice, DirecTV. Don't complain to MLB, complain to Dish who has ignored these packages for years.

[MikeP]

"i don't think it would make a lot of business sense for E* to seriously go after MLBEI without coming to terms with YES first. there goes a lot of the appeal - especially to NY baseball fans like myself who have stuck with E* for some strange reason but i'm not a business man."

I gave up on sticking with DISH. I had enough of their blackouts of NESN when the Red Sox shouldn't have been blacked out, hearing the constant excuses about how expensive YES was, etc....I switched to DirecTV and what a pleasure it is deal with a company that isn't cheap! I KNOW I will be able to see games I want to see and not have to hear ridiculous, idiotic excuses about why they can't add a certain channel. I was paying DISH almost $130/mo for programming, but they've lost that residual income stream! They actually noted on my account that I reduced programming down to $16.99/mo due to the fact that YES wasn't available as one of my local RSN's.

[zimm0who0net]

Originally posted by James_F


Uh so what is your point? You do have a choice, DirecTV. Don't complain to MLB, complain to Dish who has ignored these packages for years.

I'm quite amused at your definition of "choice".&nbsp; You can either choose DirecTV or choose nothing at all....

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[James_F]

Originally posted by zimm0who0net


I'm quite amused at your definition of "choice".&nbsp; You can either choose DirecTV or choose nothing at all....

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So being a DirecTV sub I have two choices to get Discovery HD. Dish or Cox cable. I cannot get Discovery HD with DirecTV. I still don't get your point. :shrug:

You have two choices... DirecTV or InDemand....

[Karl Foster]

Sheesh, I didn't know that watching baseball was somethig that should be protected by the Sherman anti-trust (anti-monopoly) act. Baseball is a sport and business. Directv offered more money than Dish Network. Dish HAD the opportunity to bid more, but chose not to. Hadly a monopoly.

Like James said - you have a choice.

[DCSholtis]

Originally posted by karl_f
Sheesh, I didn't know that watching baseball was somethig that should be protected by the Sherman anti-trust (anti-monopoly) act. Baseball is a sport and business. Directv offered more money than Dish Network. Dish HAD the opportunity to bid more, but chose not to. Hadly a monopoly.

Like James said - you have a choice.

1-800-DIRECTV......:D

[sbill67]

Thats brilliant James. If you knew anything about the satellite business you would realize DISH has made all the progress in this industry for YEARS! Remember Edy saying LIL was an unobtainable goal! All I have to say is THANKS CHARLIE!!!

You might try the DirecTV Forum if you want to CRY.

Scott

[James_F]

Originally posted by sbill67
Thats brilliant James. If you knew anything about the satellite business you would realize DISH has made all the progress in this industry for YEARS! Remember Edy saying LIL was an unobtainable goal! All I have to say is THANKS CHARLIE!!!

You might try the DirecTV Forum if you want to CRY.

Scott
What the hell are you talking about? Where am I crying? All I said is if you want MLB ask E*. Its not up to MLB to decide where to put their product, its an open bid process.

What does anything you say have to do with this argument? How about read what I posted huh? :rolleyes: