View Full Version : Colts Pats game looks horrible !!
Firefighter
11-02-08, 07:33 PM
As the title says. It's the worst picture I've seen, and we have to pay for this crap.
Luckily, I have an OTA and I switched to it, and the picture is perfect !
I called a friend of mine who has DTV and he said his is the same.
I'm getting real tired of crappy video from DTV !!!!!
Anybody else noticing this?
Greg Alsobrook
11-02-08, 07:34 PM
I see little to no difference between the sat feed and OTA...
Game Fan
11-02-08, 07:40 PM
I'm watching DirecTV's feed and it looks great. So does OTA by the way. WFIE 14 from Evansville Indiana.
JimAtTheRez
11-02-08, 07:47 PM
In my market, we do not have HD. I can pick up everthing but Fox and NBC in HD OTA. All of my locals, and many others via D in SD, have a poor picture quality ONLY on my HD DVR, not on my TIVO's or my other receivers. The PQ on my HR20-100 is great, however, on the HD content. I don't understand this at all. This ballgame has a much better picture on my "little TV's."
Mike Huss
11-02-08, 07:49 PM
Not seeing any significant difference between the two here either.
Steve615
11-02-08, 07:49 PM
I'm watching DirecTV's feed and it looks great. So does OTA by the way. WFIE 14 from Evansville Indiana.
Ditto here.
HR20-700 HD DVR for the DirecTV local HD feed.
OTA is WSMV channel 4 in Nashville,TN.
I had to turn the channel because the picture was so bad. I was looking at it on the local NBC channel delivered by DIRECTV and OTA and both were as bad as the other. The local channel added a second sub channel recently (Universal Sports, which is channel 3-3 here) and that is taking away from the picture. It's too bad that they are taking away from the HD signal for the sub channels.
njblackberry
11-02-08, 07:54 PM
WNBC-4 HD looks terrible.
NBCE (82) looks great and the sound is better too.
Same thing happened last week.
kikkenit2
11-02-08, 08:01 PM
NBC has consistently had the poorest quality hd video of any station that broadcasts true hd. Not just football but that is about all I watch on that channel. Notre Dame and NFL has always been grainy on that channel. Local problems are probably compounding this situation for some. It looks decent here.
tcusta00
11-02-08, 08:08 PM
Not to beat a dead horse, but it looks good here too OTA and SAT.
DtvSlave
11-02-08, 08:11 PM
From the South Bend/Elkhart market it looks good!
cforrest
11-02-08, 08:16 PM
WNBC-4 HD looks terrible.
NBCE (82) looks great and the sound is better too.
Same thing happened last week.
I've been watching on Channel 392 NBCE CONUS Mpeg-4 feed! I wish they would fix the stuttering on the NY locals of late.
Firefighter
11-02-08, 08:21 PM
It's horrible here in Indianapolis. OTA is 10x better.
It's just ridiculous that it's this way. As much as we have to pay and we get crap in return.
Sorry, just had to vent some more.
bstntech
11-02-08, 08:31 PM
Sounds like a local channel issue everything looks good out of the Nashville marked
davemayo
11-02-08, 08:32 PM
Looks great in Cleveland (LiL).
As the title says. It's the worst picture I've seen, and we have to pay for this crap.
Luckily, I have an OTA and I switched to it, and the picture is perfect !
I called a friend of mine who has DTV and he said his is the same.
I'm getting real tired of crappy video from DTV !!!!!
Anybody else noticing this?
My picture looks great
WNYT Albany looks same as OTA, sounds like you have a local issue unfortunately.
I always watch OTA anyway.
bonscott87
11-02-08, 08:52 PM
It's horrible here in Indianapolis. OTA is 10x better.
It's just ridiculous that it's this way. As much as we have to pay and we get crap in return.
Sorry, just had to vent some more.
Looks just fine here, both OTA and via DirecTV are the same. NBC is typically pretty bad but I must say the quality is better as of late. But then my NBC has been upgrading their equipment for some time to deliver a better picture.
As for your problem, it's obviously a local issue. Contact your local station and tell them that the signal that DirecTV provides is worse then then OTA version. Also I'd report it on your local thread at AVS as others can tell if if they have the same problem with that affiliate and if you're lucky the station engineers post and read the thread like they do in my market.
And yes, you could contact DirecTV (I'd send them an email to report it) but you'll get much better results going to the local station as it's in their best interest to make sure their signal is getting to DirecTV properly. They may not even be aware of the problem.
Watching WNBC HD as a local and no problem
WNYT Albany looks same as OTA, sounds like you have a local issue unfortunately.
I always watch OTA anyway.
May sound odd, but it looks better than my ota.
The New England @ Indianapolis game has looked great here all game. I get my NBC HD from Memphis and they have a superb picture tonight in HD. In Fact Every Week I've watched Sunday Night Football this year my picture has looked perfect. It Seems to me that NBC here has the least of the Pixelation of any network.
StuartK
11-02-08, 10:45 PM
As the title says. It's the worst picture I've seen, and we have to pay for this crap.
Luckily, I have an OTA and I switched to it, and the picture is perfect !
I called a friend of mine who has DTV and he said his is the same.
I'm getting real tired of crappy video from DTV !!!!!
Anybody else noticing this?
I noticed that Channel 13 here in Indy looks kind of bad like it is over compressed. Were you watching the same channel as me. My wife even made a comment about it and she doesn't notice that kind of stuff as much as I do.
fliptheflop
11-03-08, 12:46 AM
It was awful on WTHR Channel 13 I switched it over to OTA and it was great. I did the same thing to watch the Notre Dame game Saturday. It was the worst I've ever seen it.
Picture looked great in PA.
ccsoftball7
11-03-08, 07:29 AM
It was awful on WTHR Channel 13 I switched it over to OTA and it was great. I did the same thing to watch the Notre Dame game Saturday. It was the worst I've ever seen it.
Have you called the chief engineer to see if they are even aware of the issue? Are the Indy stations still MPEG-2?
The game looked great here (go Colts!!!). The WNCN (NBC Raleigh) has done some tweaking that have made huge differenced in PQ. The PQ is much better this year than it was last year.
It was really bad in the Indy area. I live in Lebanon and OTA with my HR-20 was a LOT better than D*'s signal.
donkeylips
11-03-08, 07:46 AM
What I saw was pretty much perfection via Directv HD LIL out of Green Bay. No sub channels.
From what Ive been seeing all season NBC is right up there with CBS as far as HD quality goes. Couldnt be happier with them this year. Beats the heck out of pretty much everything Ive seen this year on ABC/ESPN, or Fox.
The TCU Texas game did look great on ABC this weekend though, a rare treat from the bottom dwellers of HD PQ. Every once in a while ESPN/ABC likes to prove that they are actually capable of providing quality HD.
mark709
11-03-08, 08:02 AM
I was very disappointed in DirecTV's version of the game from Indy. I was able to switch back to Brighthouse since I just had directv installed and it was better. I'm trying to get in touch with the Engineering dept. at WTHR now. Worst HD I've seen in 2 years.:mad:
donkeylips
11-03-08, 08:07 AM
I was very disappointed in DirecTV's version of the game from Indy. I was able to switch back to Brighthouse since I just had directv installed and it was better. I'm trying to get in touch with the Engineering dept. at WTHR now. Worst HD I've seen in 2 years.:mad:
If it looked really bad on D* and fine on cable than it sounds like you need to get ahold of the D* engineering department, not the affiliates.
Sounds to me like all the Indy people are claiming it was really bad on D*, but fine on OTA and cable. Doesent sound like an affiliate issue to me.
ziggy29
11-03-08, 08:49 AM
If it looked really bad on D* and fine on cable than it sounds like you need to get ahold of the D* engineering department, not the affiliates.
Sounds to me like all the Indy people are claiming it was really bad on D*, but fine on OTA and cable. Doesent sound like an affiliate issue to me.
If that's the case, it sounds like it could have been an issue with the signal on the spot beam that delivers the Indy locals...
Another confirmation - I too watched the game via D* on WTHR 13 and the picture quality was really bad. Lots of pixelation, especially in the background. That, and the picture seemed to be frequently "refocusing." I didn't have my OTA hooked up, but a friend did and said the picture was great with that.
randyk47
11-03-08, 09:58 AM
I watched the game through DirecTV, no problem down here in the heart of Texas.
mauijiminar
11-03-08, 10:12 AM
I watched the game through DirecTV, no problem down here in the heart of Texas.
Mine picture looked great!
Piratefan98
11-03-08, 10:25 AM
Southcentral PA/Harrisburg market was fine last night. Crisp and clear.
Must have been a local channel issue for the OP.
Jeff
bonscott87
11-03-08, 10:35 AM
If it looked really bad on D* and fine on cable than it sounds like you need to get ahold of the D* engineering department, not the affiliates.
Sounds to me like all the Indy people are claiming it was really bad on D*, but fine on OTA and cable. Doesent sound like an affiliate issue to me.
This is all true but one of us trying to contact the D* engineering department is a futile effort and nothing will come of it. As I mentioned earlier the *best* thing to do is to contact the local station's engineering department and have *them* use their much better and higher up contacts at D* to actually get things looked at.
When our HD locals first went up a couple years ago there were lots of problems with a couple of our stations. We at AVS (best local source on the net, seriously) got with the local engineers who got with their contacts at D* and within 2 months D* swapped out the encoders at the local receive facility and ever since then HD locals via DirecTV is basically identical to OTA. Very possible that there is a problem with the encoder for this station in Indy at the D* receive or uplink facility and again you telling DirecTV that will go nowhere, but the local station can certainly get something done, assuming they care of course.
bhelton71
11-03-08, 11:29 AM
This is all true but one of us trying to contact the D* engineering department is a futile effort and nothing will come of it. As I mentioned earlier the *best* thing to do is to contact the local station's engineering department and have *them* use their much better and higher up contacts at D* to actually get things looked at.
When our HD locals first went up a couple years ago there were lots of problems with a couple of our stations. We at AVS (best local source on the net, seriously) got with the local engineers who got with their contacts at D* and within 2 months D* swapped out the encoders at the local receive facility and ever since then HD locals via DirecTV is basically identical to OTA. Very possible that there is a problem with the encoder for this station in Indy at the D* receive or uplink facility and again you telling DirecTV that will go nowhere, but the local station can certainly get something done, assuming they care of course.
I believe DirecTV's uplink for Indianapolis is actually at WTHR's antenna site - probably no bearing on what everyone is seeing - but just interesting. And there is a link floating around for a pdf that had the replacement scheduled for late Oct - but I don't think it has happened yet.
I have noticed issues for a couple of weeks on the DirecTV feed - but it is 'magnified' on games - presumably all of the fast movement is contributing. Using OTA does improve the picture - but you lose the hdd space savings of the MPEG4 feed.
jwd45244
11-03-08, 12:54 PM
Make sure that your calibration on your TV is not the thing causing the bad picture. On all of my HDTVs the picture calibration is by input source. I spent time making sure they all Digital sources (OTA, DirecTV) looked the same.
mark709
11-03-08, 01:13 PM
This is all true but one of us trying to contact the D* engineering department is a futile effort and nothing will come of it. As I mentioned earlier the *best* thing to do is to contact the local station's engineering department and have *them* use their much better and higher up contacts at D* to actually get things looked at.
When our HD locals first went up a couple years ago there were lots of problems with a couple of our stations. We at AVS (best local source on the net, seriously) got with the local engineers who got with their contacts at D* and within 2 months D* swapped out the encoders at the local receive facility and ever since then HD locals via DirecTV is basically identical to OTA. Very possible that there is a problem with the encoder for this station in Indy at the D* receive or uplink facility and again you telling DirecTV that will go nowhere, but the local station can certainly get something done, assuming they care of course.
I got a message back from the local WTHR engineer and he is going to escalate to directv. He believes that they are over compressing the signal. He asked me to report the issue to directv which I will do this evening. Please call them to politely complain if you experienced the same problem. Strength in numbers - yada..yada...
iceturkee
11-03-08, 01:42 PM
NBC has consistently had the poorest quality hd video of any station that broadcasts true hd. Not just football but that is about all I watch on that channel. Notre Dame and NFL has always been grainy on that channel. Local problems are probably compounding this situation for some. It looks decent here.
+1
donkeylips
11-03-08, 04:16 PM
This is all true but one of us trying to contact the D* engineering department is a futile effort and nothing will come of it. As I mentioned earlier the *best* thing to do is to contact the local station's engineering department and have *them* use their much better and higher up contacts at D* to actually get things looked at.
Gotcha..I didnt see your post about what you explained here. Probably a pretty good idea..
mystic7
11-03-08, 04:57 PM
It wasn't horrible here in Charlotte NC, but it was definitely a bit raggier than the games I watched on Fox and CBS earlier.
When I turned the game on with the D* Los Angeles feed, I immediately told my girlfriend the game doesn't look very good tonight.
All of my locals, and many others via D in SD, have a poor picture quality ONLY on my HD DVR, not on my TIVO's or my other receivers.This is at least partially due to the fact that many HDTVs do a relatively poor job of displaying SD content. Add to this the decidedly marginal PQ of non-OTA SD signals (DBS, CATV) and you have a recipe for yuck.
Some have found that with a quality outboard scan converter (a better TV might be cheaper), that the SD signal can look pretty good.
brownram
11-03-08, 05:22 PM
same here in greensburg IN. WTHR-13 but the commercials were picture perfect so i think it maybe the up link from WTHR
rynberg
11-03-08, 05:48 PM
Hear hear to NBC greatly improving their picture quality this year from last...
The only problem I had with the picture was for the first 5-10 minutes, the morons at my local NBC were somehow sending a squeezed 1080i signal as 4:3. :nono2:
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