So whats Really Important?

[inkahauts]

I think its safe to say that everyone here has no objections to having DLB, MRV, the end of a 50 series Link limit, and would love to see CIG work properly, as well as Parental controls... My question is.. Which is most important to you and why? PLEASE do NOT use this thread to debate weather or not any of these things can be done, or if they are needed..

IT IS ASSUMED that all these features can be had, and that NO one is against these features being implemented... (some are partially implemented now, but not fully functional as they should be) This is strictly about which you all think should be first, because of why its important for you!

[davring]

MRV is most important to me. DLB I used on Tivo, I don't miss having it. My kids are grown, and I know what channels I get:) The 50 series limit I have learned to live with by keeping it current. MRV will be very useful with two HR20's, increases recording capacity with no additional equipment.

[BattleScott]

MRV is the only one that I would really like to see. I have adjusted to life without DLB and the others aren't really an issue for me.

[Michael D'Angelo]

I voted for MRV since my first choice (Auto Tune) is not on the list.

[Sharkie_Fan]

MRV is it for me. It would be nice to spread my recordings over several different DVRs and still watch them in the main living area.

Especially during hockey season, we have evenings where I'd like to be watching the Sharks game in here, and we've got 2 things scheduled to record, so I'm off to another room to watch the game.

If I could spread the recordings over all the DVRs, I can cut down, as much as possible, the times when 2 things are recording, so we can watch other things.

[SteelersFan_in_CA]

I voted for "Channels I Get" since this (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=144728) issue is not on the list. I really belive they should do something about the "spoiling" that takes place.:)

[JMII]

MRV, MRV, MRV, MRV... and MRV :D

I really think D* is missing a revenue stream here, I'd be very tempted to buy another DVR if I could access the programs sitting on it from my other DVRs. I'd record a bunch more stuff by avoiding conflicts by using this "spare" DVRs to do the majority of recording duties, then stream the results to the upstairs or downstairs units depending on my mood. As is I have to make the choice before hand of where I'm going to watch the program and this seems to always conflict with the wife's plans :rolleyes:

[Flyrx7]

My vote is for DLB.

Why?

- Channels I Get: You could probably add another 500 channels, and still only about 30 are worth watching in the first place.

- Parental Controls: Doesn't apply to my houseshold.

- Eliminate 50 Series Link Limit: While I'm really close to the limit, so far I've found ways to get around it. So not really an issue (yet).

- Multi Room Viewing: I suppose would be cool, but then I'll have to replace my HR10, not to mention acquire all the necessary networking materials and knowledge. I would definetely use it, but I don't look forward to the effort to get it up, and keep it up and running.

- Don't care about order, if they are all operational in the next 6 to 9 months: Now if someone were to come on here and say that all of this will be available within the next 6-9 months, that would go along way in quelling alot of concerns with the HR DVR program. You know anyone that can back that up?

Which leaves my choice;

- Dual Live Buffers: I would use everyday, my wife would actually use it too. Having cut my DVR teeth with UltimateTV and Tivo, I figured that DLB was a basic function of DVR's. It was perfect for sports, it was perfect for just surfing and definetely added to our viewing pleasure. Out of all the choices above, it is the most compelling item that we don't currently have. Not to mention that since we already had this feature, and then didn't, it definetely feels like we are missing something. MRV we've never had/used in the first place, so no real connection with it.

Regards,
Frank

[dcowboy7]

since "fixing the low volume levels on the HD channels since the upgrade" isnt there i voted dlb.

[Steve]

The Wish List is not a ranking of popularity/priority, like this poll is, but just a concensus on what features the most folks would use if implemented. Bang for the programming buck, so to speak. Of the 80 items and over 1000 votes:

The two CIG requests rank 1 and 5 (Don't show in SEARCH results and ability to edit)
DLB is #7
MRV is #13
50 SL limit is #28

/steve

[hdtvfan0001]

I just took a step back when viewing the list for a moment, and smiled a bit.....we've come a long way from "would just like things to work" to now XMAS shopping for features.

I voted, but I suspect my take on the list may differ from many others, as I see most of these items as "perfectly nice to have, but will use very few myself". MRV might be the only thing I can see using with any regularity.

That said, I welcome them all on behalf of others who wish to get them.

[inkahauts]

I voted for "Channels I Get" since this (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=144728) issue is not on the list. I really belive they should do something about the "spoiling" that takes place.:)

This list is all about things you don't have at all yet, or are not fully implemented, not fundementally changing the way something that we have now works just to change it.. I'm not saying PIG isn't something that shouldn't be changed.. Hey, I sortsa started the movement! but I was looking more at things that people start threads on all the time, or have sticky threads about there issues...

It was also inspired by someone in the DLB thread that said that MRV wasn't nearly important as DLB, because most people couldn't use it... I very much disagree with that statement, and was curios what the real answer is... It will be interesting to see the votes after 500... No one is going to vote for MRV if they can't use it... And frankly, I wanted to point out to everyone, that the same things aren't necessarily as important to one as they are another.. I didn't put everything down from the wish list, I felt just a few items that seem to pop up the most often would do....

[Paul A]

mrv baby

[JACKIEGAGA]

MRV I can live with DLB workaround

[Thaedron]

I just took a step back when viewing the list for a moment, and smiled a bit.....we've come a long way from "would just like things to work" to now XMAS shopping for features.


IMO, both channels I get and parental controls are still in the "getting it to work" category and not really "christmas shopping for features"...

As for my vote... MRV all the way. That would significantly increase my total recording capacity by eliminating duplicate recordings on multiple units. Also MRV and multiple DVRs solves the 50 series link limitation.

[ghfiii]

My vote is for DLB.

Why?

- Channels I Get: You could probably add another 500 channels, and still only about 30 are worth watching in the first place.

- Parental Controls: Doesn't apply to my houseshold.

- Eliminate 50 Series Link Limit: While I'm really close to the limit, so far I've found ways to get around it. So not really an issue (yet).

- Multi Room Viewing: I suppose would be cool, but then I'll have to replace my HR10, not to mention acquire all the necessary networking materials and knowledge. I would definetely use it, but I don't look forward to the effort to get it up, and keep it up and running.

- Don't care about order, if they are all operational in the next 6 to 9 months: Now if someone were to come on here and say that all of this will be available within the next 6-9 months, that would go along way in quelling alot of concerns with the HR DVR program. You know anyone that can back that up?

Which leaves my choice;

- Dual Live Buffers: I would use everyday, my wife would actually use it too. Having cut my DVR teeth with UltimateTV and Tivo, I figured that DLB was a basic function of DVR's. It was perfect for sports, it was perfect for just surfing and definetely added to our viewing pleasure. Out of all the choices above, it is the most compelling item that we don't currently have. Not to mention that since we already had this feature, and then didn't, it definetely feels like we are missing something. MRV we've never had/used in the first place, so no real connection with it.

Regards,
Frank

If DLB was added, I would replace my SD DirecTV with Tivo with an HR2X as soon as I could. Then I would have two HR2* and MRV would be nice to have and I just might run the needed Cat5 riser cable to that box.

Until then MRV is Mostly iRreleVant to me:grin:

[Steve]

I just took a step back when viewing the list for a moment, and smiled a bit.....we've come a long way from "would just like things to work" to now XMAS shopping for features.We have come a long way, but there's still work to be done. The "Bugs or Features?" section of the Wish List (http://www.sizethis.com/index.php?module=results&survey=28) still lists 17 items that don't work as expected, not including parental controls.

Happily, at least one of them is being addressed with this CE. :)

/steve

[spartanstew]

Via a distribution system, I already have MRV, my kids are too young to worry about parental controls yet, I never run into problems with the CIG errors, and the workaround for DLB works just fine for me (most of the time - even better than DLB).

So, it's the 50 series limit for me.

[Grentz]

For me MRV is the biggy.

Besides that I sorta want CIG to be fixed, but really not a huge deal as I use custom favorite lists anyways.

[SteelersFan_in_CA]

This list is all about things you don't have at all yet, or are not fully implemented, not fundementally changing the way something that we have now works just to change it.. I'm not saying PIG isn't something that shouldn't be changed.. Hey, I sortsa started the movement! but I was looking more at things that people start threads on all the time, or have sticky threads about there issues...

It was also inspired by someone in the DLB thread that said that MRV wasn't nearly important as DLB, because most people couldn't use it... I very much disagree with that statement, and was curios what the real answer is... It will be interesting to see the votes after 500... No one is going to vote for MRV if they can't use it... And frankly, I wanted to point out to everyone, that the same things aren't necessarily as important to one as they are another.. I didn't put everything down from the wish list, I felt just a few items that seem to pop up the most often would do....
I hear ya. :) I just took the oppurtunity to plug the PIL/PIG issue.

I appreciate the effort to get the things in this poll more publicity.:up:

[inkahauts]

Channels I Get 7 6.67%
Parental Controls 1 0.95%
Eliminate 50 Series Link Limit 7 6.67%
Multi Room Viewing 46 43.81%
Dual Live Buffers 35 33.33%
Don't care about order,. 9 8.57%

Voters: 105.

Interesting... MRV really is winning, but barley.. I wonder if it still will be by the middle of the week? (I'm guessing they will stay neck and neck...)

Does show that there really are 2 things people care a lot more about getting sooner rather than later over all the others....

And I think Ken S voted already :D

[reweiss]

My order:
1) Multi Room Viewing
2) Dual Live Buffers
3) Eliminate 50 Series Link Limit
4) Channels I Get
5) Parental Controls

[puffnstuff]

Just give me back my DLB ! At least it's a feature that everybody could use .

[carl6]

Of the choices, MRV is the one I voted for. The next would be CIG, although it is not causing me any issues. Beyond that, none of the others are important to me personally.

[barryb]

MRV for me.

[skyboysea]

Eliminate 50 Series Link Limit. For the 5% of people who have only one DVR that's a limit easy to hit and make managing SL a pain.

[puffnstuff]

Eliminate 50 Series Link Limit. For the 5% of people who have only one DVR that's a limit easy to hit and make managing SL a pain.

Just wondering , but how do you know only 5% have only 1 DVR ?

[lflorack]

MRV is the only one that really would like to have. I previously had two Tivos, watch a lot football (NFLST) and other sports, and don't really care if DLB returns or not. I'll take it if it does. CIG would be nice for searches and auto-records but not a huge deal. As for the 50 series link issue, I currently have two HD-DVR's and keep my series links updated so it's not a problem for me. Again, I'll take it if it shows up -- especially if MRV shows up first because it'd be more convenient to watch either DVR in either room.

So, here's my order of diminishing importance (YMMV) but I really only find MRV to be very important at all:

Multi Room Viewing
Channels I Get
Eliminate 50 Series Link Limit
Dual Live Buffers
Parental Controls (Really don't care about his one at all)

[Ken S]

Overall...

1. Parental Controls - Unless they fix them the DirecTV service will not be in my house by this time next year (unless the new Tivo box is available and utilizes their system). DirecTV needs to take a peek at how Dish & Tivo handle these functions...they should also do so before they garner a whole lot of negative publicity over this poorly implemented feature. I also understand that most people without children wouldn't care about this...and sadly some of those with children don't either. It's not really a wish list type of item anymore than having the Latch system in a car is.

2. CIG - Since CIG for me relates to the search function which then relates back to Parental Controls I include it in PC. As for it just helping out when doing my favorite lists...it'd be nice...but no big deal.

3. MRV - Without children this would be my number one wish...but anyone that has read one of my posts has seen that since early 2007.

4. DLB - Ehh...it'd be nice, but don't really miss. I'd prefer they fix the reliability and networking in the machine before this.

5. 50 Series Link - I'd prefer they fix the reliability and networking in the machine before this.

[Mike Bertelson]

I know it'll come as a big suprise to everyone but if I had to choose only one it would be DLB. :)

Mike

[elyshaeagle]

No brainer , DLB every other box has them . Plus it's something everybody could use not just people that are networked .

[t_h]

I have no use for DLB and never used it on the tivo either.

Everything else would be good in almost equal weightings.

But like Ken said, I'd rather they make the box more reliable for recording tv shows, general stability and performance using the menus/remote before they added any new features.

[skyboysea]

Just wondering , but how do you know only 5% have only 1 DVR ?

Based on this poll http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=144849

[LOBO2999]

I voted DLB , could care less about MRV

[Wilhite]

How about "none of the above at this time".

I just want the damn thing to work. Get rid of the lockups. Get rid of the audio problems. Get rid of the pixellating.

Make it so that I don't have to wonder what's going to go wrong this week. Make it so that I don't have to babysit the unit constantly. Make it so that I don't have to schedule backup recordings on a second DVR.

Then - focus on the enhancements...

[yyygac2]

Based on this poll http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=144849

The 5% who answered "I only have 1 HD DVR total" in that poll underestimates the number of subscribers who have only 1 HD DVR. I have only 1 HD DVR but voted the "I have 1 additional HD receiver (non DVR)" since that is the case. If you think about this poll a bit, you'll see that any poll with a single answer choice is a poor census for determining a count of a receiver types because of the mutually exclusive options which can be true for a given respondent.

[puffnstuff]

Based on this poll http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=144849

But thats just us here . I bet the number is higher .

[jdspencer]

I voted for DLB. This feature makes it so that you can switch to another channel and not lose your place in the other. However, most of my TV viewing is recordings. DLB only works real well with news and sports .

But, then everyone reading this thread already knew this. :)

[mgavs]

MRV, some such as DLB have workarounds, MRV does not. We watch quite a bit of TV in rooms other than where the 2 main HR20s are and we sorely miss MRV we had on the TIVOs.

[say-what]

None are must haves for me.

MRV is being implemented.

DLB sort of exists, but we can call it DFB - Dual Flexible Buffers. You get full control over what buffers. Simply press "R" once on a show you want to buffer and flip away, when you return you'll have the full buffer or if you pause you'll return where you were. If you want both tuners buffered, then simply press "R" on the second program. No need to access from the list.

The other stuff I really don't care about.

[RCY]

If DLB was added, I would replace my SD DirecTV with Tivo with an HR2X as soon as I could.
...


I can relate to this. Though I still have some concerns about HR2x stability, DLB would give me a lot of motivation to make the move from SDTivo. My wife and kids use DLB every day. And I use it a lot watching football.

Get a big enough hard drive for my HR2x, and MRV is irrelevant. (to me) I'll just record everything twice. It would be nice to have, but not #1.

[RCY]

None are must haves for me.

MRV is being implemented.

DLB sort of exists, but we can call it DFB - Dual Flexible Buffers. You get full control over what buffers. Simply press "R" once on a show you want to buffer and flip away, when you return you'll have the full buffer or if you pause you'll return where you were. If you want both tuners buffered, then simply press "R" on the second program. No need to access from the list.

...

As you said, the HR2x doesn't have Dual Live Buffers. ;)

Flipping between a recording and a live buffer, or two recordings, while nice, isn't DLB. Just like 30 second slip isn't 30 second skip.

[Greg Alsobrook]

I'll take all of the above... but MRV is at the top of my list, by far...

[ATARI]

dlb

[bsnelson]

No question - MRV.

But, for different reasons than most, I'm sure. As I've mentioned before, all of my DVRs (currently six in operation) are in one room, attached to the only TV in the house. With MRV, I could add more (or switch some of my SD DVRs to HD) and run them "semi-headless", administrating them with Slingboxes and funneling the content through my current boxes. This would eliminate the need for more HDMI switchboxes or other kludgy-ness trying to get everything connected.

However, since we know MRV is coming, honestly, the biggest desire I have is one that is apparently not on too many people's radar: Switchable PIG/PIL. That thing still just pisses me off to no end, even after having HR2x gear for almost two years now. It managed to spoil a NFL game for me just a couple of weeks ago, the latest in a series of such incidents.

Brad

[Flyrx7]

Switchable PIG/PIL. That thing still just pisses me off to no end, even after having HR2x gear for almost two years now. It managed to spoil a NFL game for me just a couple of weeks ago, the latest in a series of such incidents.

Brad

Brad,

I'm sure it's been said before, but I must have missed it, so pardon me when I ask for an explanation on how this is a spoiler for you. Can you give an example?

As long as it's a switchable on/off feature, then I couldn't care less (for obvious reasons), but if the PIG get's eliminated I'd be upset. That was one of the things that the Tivo didn't do (IIRC) that I didn't like.

Thanks!
Frank

[bsnelson]

I'm sure it's been said before, but I must have missed it, so pardon me when I ask for an explanation on how this is a spoiler for you. Can you give an example?Two examples that have happened to me:

1. I start watching a game while it's still in progress. I press the "list" button prior to turning on my gear to at least lessen the chances of a spoiler, but I happen to turn it on during the last period with the score emblazoned on the screen. Spoiled.

2. I start watching while the local news is on, and they're talking about the game during the sports report.

Those are just two variations. Seriously, I know many people wish their problems with the HR2x were as "mundane" as this, but it's my biggest complaint.

Brad

[fluffybear]

While I really have no preference as to how most of these are added (IMHO, we have more important features which need to be implemented first)

Personal opinions on each:

Multi Room Viewing - Would be a very nice feature to have as I can see it coming in handy but personally I am not sure that I would use it all that much

Dual Live Buffers - I do miss this feature from my days with Tivo & if I had to choose a single feature from this list, this would probably be it.

Eliminate 50 Series Link Limit - Being I am only on 17 series links, this is one feature I'm not really to concerned about.

Channels I Get - Put this down on the bottom of the list with Eliminate 50 series Link Limit. Doesn't matter which one you work first or if at all.

Parental Controls - Not sure what the issue is with this feature, we use it in our home and it appears to be working just fine.

[inkahauts]

Parental Controls - Not sure what the issue is with this feature, we use it in our home and it appears to be working just fine.

Ah, Find Ken S and he will tell you all about it!

[Flyrx7]

Two examples that have happened to me:

1. I start watching a game while it's still in progress. I press the "list" button prior to turning on my gear to at least lessen the chances of a spoiler, but I happen to turn it on during the last period with the score emblazoned on the screen. Spoiled.

2. I start watching while the local news is on, and they're talking about the game during the sports report.

Those are just two variations. Seriously, I know many people wish their problems with the HR2x were as "mundane" as this, but it's my biggest complaint.

Brad

I understand where the PIG can be a problem with #1, but I don't see (or understand) where it has anything to do with #2, that can happen with PIG or just the main screen, IMHO. I'm sure I don't get your scenario quite right.

There have been a few times that I'll turn the unit on while it's recording 2 things. If I'm concerned about a spoiler I'll hit the pause button quickly while bringing up the list. At least then I don't have to hear the broadcast and I can kind of avert my eyes from the PIG, select something, anything from the list and go.
Maybe not the best, but when I expect it I can hit pause fairly quick (as opposed to going "lah lah lah lah" to drown out the sound) :)

[randyk47]

MRV would be the best of the lot for us. However, not on the list, and something my wife was complaining about just yesterday, is AutoTune on the DVR. If that were listed then I'd vote it first place.

[LarryFlowers]

MRV would be the best of the lot for us. However, not on the list, and something my wife was complaining about just yesterday, is AutoTune on the DVR. If that were listed then I'd vote it first place.

I miss AutoTune as well... I understand the logic on the DVR's... why have autotune when you can just schedule the recording, but sometimes when I am busy, I might just want to be reminded that there is something on I wanted to watch live.

An example, was the shuttle launch the other day. I like to watch the launch live.. as it happens.. so I don't record it, but I almost missed it, and would have if there hadn't been a hold around 8 minutes...I remembered with about 2 minutes left in the coundown.

[BlueMonk]

Via a distributed A/V system, I already have access to MRV.

So I am selfishly voting for DLB which I miss dearly from my Tivo. The work around is a hassle for me and I rarely use it. Plus I like being able to modify the two shows I am monitoring on the fly.

[Rich]

Strange poll. Nothing I want on it. Would have been nice to include eSATA support, something that is very important to those of us who use eSATAs.

Rich

[Doug Brott]

Strange poll. Nothing I want on it. Would have been nice to include eSATA support, something that is very important to those of us who use eSATAs.

Rich

:confused: .. So you use it but it doesn't work? .. :confused:

[billsharpe]

I voted for "channels I get." MRV doesn't matter for me, since I only have one HD set. Don't need parental controls, youngest person in the house is 76.:D

[sangs]

Just give me back my DLB ! At least it's a feature that everybody could use .

Ditto. It really is the only thing I miss from my older DVRs.

[GrumpyBear]

I think its safe to say that everyone here has no objections to having DLB, MRV, the end of a 50 series Link limit, and would love to see CIG work properly, as well as Parental controls... My question is.. Which is most important to you and why? PLEASE do NOT use this thread to debate weather or not any of these things can be done, or if they are needed..

IT IS ASSUMED that all these features can be had, and that NO one is against these features being implemented... (some are partially implemented now, but not fully functional as they should be) This is strictly about which you all think should be first, because of why its important for you!

CIG is that like Dish's SUB menu in the guide vs all Channels in the Guide?

[GBFAN]

MRV would be great. We have 1 DVR that gets constant use and is generally 50 to 75 % full. If you go away for a few days chances are it will get full. The other DVR is lucky to be 10% full. I could manage the recordings when I know the Main DVR will get full.

[Mertzen]

Out of your list I'd say DLB and MRV.

I would like a true HD GUI though

[n3ntj]

I voted for Dual Live Buffers. I have no need for multi-room viewing.

[Stuart Sweet]

MRV, as it would also speak to the 50SL limit as you could have 50 different SLs per DVR.

[xIsamuTM]

DLB FTW!!

[NVTanner]

Since I've spent the last few days working on networking my HR20 and HR21, and testing the Directpc software, I'd like to see the MRV working so I can record more and watch between rooms. The DLB's would be nice. All the others are not high priority items for me.

[bsnelson]

I understand where the PIG can be a problem with #1, but I don't see (or understand) where it has anything to do with #2, that can happen with PIG or just the main screen, IMHO. I'm sure I don't get your scenario quite right.When using my old DVRs from the "company that shall remain nameless" (:)), I could hit the "DirecTV Central" button which would bring me to a screen with no audio and video, every time. I could then select which recording to start, whether complete or in progress. I didn't have to avert my gaze, sing "fa-la-la-la-la-la" or anything like that.

That's all I'm asking for: Give me a "safe" place to go with one or two keystrokes. Hitting pause doesn't always work; for example, if the buffer was full and I'm at the beginning of it, hitting pause will only work for a second or two, then it will continue playing.

Brad

[Que]

DLB- I use that more then any of the others.

[Bill Broderick]

MRV, as it would also speak to the 50SL limit as you could have 50 different SLs per DVR.

That's exactly my thought. Currently, I have 3 HD DVR's all recording essentially the same programs (except for a few instances where there are 3 network programs that conflict with one another). All of the DVR's are using about 45 of the 50SL. If I could just record shows on a single DVR and watch them on the other TV's, I would only be using about 15 of the 50 series limit.

[Flyrx7]

That's exactly my thought. Currently, I have 3 HD DVR's all recording essentially the same programs (except for a few instances where there are 3 network programs that conflict with one another). All of the DVR's are using about 45 of the 50SL. If I could just record shows on a single DVR and watch them on the other TV's, I would only be using about 15 of the 50 series limit.

Alright, I think I get it now.......MRV should take care of all these things by the time they're done with it (6-9 months as noted, maybe).

- QLB's with multiple receivers
- 150 series link with only 3 receivers
- Parental controls will have to be pretty robust with MRV
- CIG, well c'mon, how hard can that be?

Frank

[RACJ2]

I miss AutoTune as well... I understand the logic on the DVR's... why have autotune when you can just schedule the recording, but sometimes when I am busy, I might just want to be reminded that there is something on I wanted to watch live.

An example, was the shuttle launch the other day. I like to watch the launch live.. as it happens.. so I don't record it, but I almost missed it, and would have if there hadn't been a hold around 8 minutes...I remembered with about 2 minutes left in the coundown.That's a good example of what you could use Autotune for. Although couldn't you just set up a reminder on your Blackberry or similar device?

[jrmichael]

MRV. I like the idea of being able to free a tuner by having the recording take place on a DVR the is much less used than the main viewing one. I don't really have a preference one way or the other on the additional features.

[Tubaman-Z]

I voted for CIG. I use auto-recording extensively to be on the lookout for old movies that I would like to see and I am getting tired of deleting things "recorded" on the premiums that I don't subscribe to.

[islesfan]

As a subscriber with an out of market sports package (NHLCI) I really want CIG fixed completely. I want the search for autorecords to ignore the channels I don't get.

[Chaos]

For me, it has to be MRV. I haven't watched live TV in years, so DLB is a waste of time for me.

[GrumpyBear]

As a subscriber with an out of market sports package (NHLCI) I really want CIG fixed completely. I want the search for autorecords to ignore the channels I don't get.

I don't understand how CIG could be that big of an issue to resolve.
Looking at the votes and some posts, CIG seems to a problem that hasn't been fixed, and has been a problem from the begining.
I would have to agree with folks, that CIG needs to be fixed before any real enhancements. What good is MRV, if you record nothing?

[Steve]

I don't understand how CIG could be that big of an issue to resolve.
Looking at the votes and some posts, CIG seems to a problem that hasn't been fixed, and has been a problem from the begining.
I would have to agree with folks, that CIG needs to be fixed before any real enhancements. What good is MRV, if you record nothing?It's a marketing issue more than a technical issue. They want you to see that there's something you may want to see on a channel you 're not currently subscribed to. Same reason those channels now display in the GUIDE, but grayed out.

I think it's a despicable practice. IMHO, we're intelligent enough to figure out that we might be missing out on something we can subscribe to, without the need to be constantly reminded in the GUIDE and SEARCH results. /steve

[MartyS]

DLB for me... MRV for my wife... but since I control the remote control, DLB is more of what I need. I rarely watch the receiver in the bedroom and my other 2 HR's are next to each other in the entertainment center.

AS football season progresses, I miss that DLB more and more and more.

[GrumpyBear]

Marketing arms, can be a real pain. I am not bashing, but with dish, you have a choice between All Channels and All Subscribed, leave it in Sub, and all you see is what you get. You can always hit the All Channels and look at all the Green or Red channels you don't get. One thing that was a pain, was with the HD vs SD version of a channel. If you don't hide, lets say 140 sd for Espn, when you tune to the channel, it always selected the HD version. If you set it up for DVR on the other hand, it would always select the SD version of the channel. Granted if you hide the SD version you don't have the problem, and except for the Cartoon network this is fine. Kids(and I) enjoy Naurto, and some other shows, but I see no reason to record them in HD, so I have just the one channel that is a double while channel surfing.

[Nugget]

I've had about a month now in my post-TiVo life, and I think I'm about as comfortable with the HR22 as I'm going to get.

I can easily see bumping into a 50 series link limit, although I'm not there yet.
I have zero interest in MRV, DLB, and Parental Controls.
Channels I Get has room for improvement.

The one thing I really, really miss from my TiVo is suggestion recording.

[inkahauts]

I've had about a month now in my post-TiVo life, and I think I'm about as comfortable with the HR22 as I'm going to get.

I can easily see bumping into a 50 series link limit, although I'm not there yet.
I have zero interest in MRV, DLB, and Parental Controls.
Channels I Get has room for improvement.

The one thing I really, really miss from my TiVo is suggestion recording.


Welcome to the Forums and welcome to Directv!

There is a way around the suggestions... If you'd like some help setting up your HR to record some things you might like I am happy to help...

Just tell me what did you find yourself watching that it was recording, in terms of types of programs.. Was it certain people that were in the show, certain types of shows, like action dramas, was it Discovery channel stuff like Extreme engineering? PM me a list of the kinds of things you where watching, and I can tell you how to create a couple autorecords that will mimic suggestions...

[kiljoy]

I chose the all-inclusive option only because I couldn't decide between CIG and DLB. Honestly, if all these did work (minus the parental controls as they don't apply to me) I probably wouldn't have hesitated in upgrading to the HR2x.

Tony

[f150intally]

MRV for me. The DirecTV2PC has relieved some but my four year old monopolizes the 65" tv at night and I don't always have what I need recorded on all boxes.

[murry27409]

DLB

I used DLB extensively with my DTivo when watching sports. I've gotten used to recording sporting programs, and then watching them in half the time (or less), albeit not live, so DLB has become almost a non-issue for me. My wife, on the other hand, loves DLB and hates having to set up recordings. She prefers the SD DTivo over the HD boxes b/c of it.
So I voted DLB.

[primetime]

If I could vote one through 5 as MRV I would. The others I couldn't care less about. I thought DLB would be a problem but with the work around I don't even miss it. I have never come close to 50 series links and I drop things like Entourage, The Shield, etc. when their season runs are over anyway. But MRV would be awesome to have, my wife complains about this missing feature constantly. She likes watching TV in the bedroom in her big comfy chair but hates that a show she wants to see is in the basement or living room's DVR. It is extremely annoying to record the same show in multiple rooms and then have to go around and delete it of 3 DVR's once it gets watched.

MRV, MRV, MRV...

[ghfiii]

The following is an clip from my post Click here for "I want numbers". (http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1885238&postcount=2984)


ARE YOU LISTENING DIRECTV? The following is pretty simple logic

The set of users that would benefit from DirecTV adding DLB is larger than the set of users which would be affected by MRV.

I know someone will argue the point above, so I'll say it another way, every DVR would benefit from DLB. Not every DVR is or will be connected to a network and thus those not networked will not benefit from MRV.


This is post led to inkahauts response.

Oh, interesting timing that you are asking this question of how many people would benifit from DLB vs. MRV... Based on a couple polls, including the one for this thread and one asking people what their other boxes are if they already have at least one HD DVR... I calculate the answer is... ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT!!!!!

But there is really only one true way to find that out...

There are 3 big things that people want, from what I have seen... DLB, MRV and no more series link limit... I wonder which is more important to people...



Which led to the pole in this thread.

What I want to know (and this is a pipe dream I know) is, how many users have their equipment networked. How many will go to the expense of networking for some feature, and how many cannot or simply will not ever be able to or want to network their equipment?

The people in threads may respond in a manner that is equal, but I really believe that the percentage of people that will meet the entry standard to take advantage of MRV (as implemented by D*) will be substantially less than those that will take advantage of DLB.

It gets down to--100% of DVRs would have DLB
some percentage less than that would be able to do MRV...

I guess since we will have MRV shortly, The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many...oh well going to duck and cover, after stirring up the hornets net. :icon_stup :eek2:

[excalibur26]

Turbo Tune, only not in the center of the screen :rolleyes:, and the channels show current programming as Hughes did. Now that would be nice. :D

[inkahauts]

The following is an clip from my post Click here for "I want numbers". (http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1885238&postcount=2984)




This is post led to inkahauts response.




Which led to the pole in this thread.

What I want to know (and this is a pipe dream I know) is, how many users have their equipment networked. How many will go to the expense of networking for some feature, and how many cannot or simply will not ever be able to or want to network their equipment?

The people in threads may respond in a manner that is equal, but I really believe that the percentage of people that will meet the entry standard to take advantage of MRV (as implemented by D*) will be substantially less than those that will take advantage of DLB.

It gets down to--100% of DVRs would have DLB
some percentage less than that would be able to do MRV...

I guess since we will have MRV shortly, The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many...oh well going to duck and cover, after stirring up the hornets net. :icon_stup :eek2:

I don't want to debate this here, this thread is all about why someone wants one over the others...

I do think you overestimate how many people will not be able to network their units, and therefore I also think you are off on saying that they are satisfying the needs of a few over the needs of the many... But you have a very valid question in there that we don't really have an answer for... so I started a poll in the main thread... I suspect that a fair amount of people who have a networkable units will select either they already have it networked, or will when they see a reason too... Should be interesting to see that... Check it out here...

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=1896013#post1896013

[coacho]

I voted for DLB, so I would actually agree with all those who say they upgraded from Tivo to a HR2x.

[tbh999]

50 Series Link Limit.

Just today, my dad said that he will not give-up his HDirecTV until the 50 show limit is eliminated. It's not that he watches 100's of shows, it's just that he does not keep track of what's starting back-up when, do he counts on his Tivo to record the show when it does start again.

[primetime]

The following is an clip from my post Click here for "I want numbers". (http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1885238&postcount=2984)





The people in threads may respond in a manner that is equal, but I really believe that the percentage of people that will meet the entry standard to take advantage of MRV (as implemented by D*) will be substantially less than those that will take advantage of DLB.

It gets down to--100% of DVRs would have DLB
some percentage less than that would be able to do MRV...

I guess since we will have MRV shortly, The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many...oh well going to duck and cover, after stirring up the hornets net. :icon_stup :eek2:

Just because DLB would be on 100% doesn't mean all would use it or have any idea it existed. My wife had no idea how to switch tuners on the old HR10, I showed her a few times but she would eventually forget because she didn't see the need for it. My parents never switched tuners on theirs, they say no need for it either.

DLB is nice but I use the work around just fine for the rare occasions I need DLB. I do like the 90 minute buffer much more than the 30. As far as I know there is no work around for the MRV.

[Rabushka]

In my opinion your poll leaves out what I consider most important. Simply the ability of these receivers to reliably receive the DirecTV channels so that we can watch TV without 771 messages pixilation and the like. I now have 4 recievers that will do this after going through 11 boxes. Nothing was ever replaced but the boxes

As far as I am concerned the rest is gravy.

[ATARI]

Looks like MRV and DLB are the clear winners.

[deltafowler]

Considering the fact that Channels I Get is already an option in the Favorite list, I think they should focus on making that work or get it the heck out of there.

[MrKlaatu]

I don't want DLB. I don't really want a SLB. Constantly writing to the HD for no reason will shorten its life and decrease its reliability.

At the very least, you should have the option to turn this (dis)function off.