Iraq-Al Queda Link Found

[John Corn]

I have to admit I'm even surprised at this!!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/26/sprj.irq.britain.iraq.ap/index.html

[waydwolf]

    Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Terrorists are scumbags, not principled noble warriors, despite Hollywood's attempt at humanizing the slime.

    Hussein may have slaughtered fundamentalist Shia Iraqis which Al Queda would seem on the surface to be most closely related to in terms of politics, but the only thing Bin Laden prizes above all others is like other bullies, getting his way any way he can. If that means dealing with Hussein to gain power, so be it.

    There is no honor among thieves they say, nor murderers. Their relationship would have lasted just long enough for Al Queda to do the damage that Hussein couldn't do directly and for Hussein to give Al Queda the boost they needed. After that, they'd have turned on each other in an instant.

 

[kark_1999]

Originally posted by waydwolf
    Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Terrorists are scumbags, not principled noble warriors, despite Hollywood's attempt at humanizing the slime.

I'm yet to hear or read one quote from any "Hollywood" figure that is attempting to "humanize" terrorists. Also, the anti-war movement was/is not doing this either, despite the pro-Bush propaganda.

[The Tophinator]

Not entirely on topic but close. Martin Sheen who is the noisiest anti war protester seems to have no problem collecting money to narrator a show Carrier a fortress at sea. :shrug:

This chronicle of life aboard an aircraft carrier includes talks with "Nuggets" (rookie carrier pilots); interviews with crew members and their families; tours of crews' quarters; and footage of dangerous night landings.

He has also done a few war movies including Cadence with his son Charlie and Apocalypse Now.

So I guess it's wrong to use force to protect your county but OK to profit from the masses in your country while "acting" to use force to protect your county. :hi:

[Rick_EE]

I think the more explosive stuff is later in the article



Separately, The Sunday Times reported that its own journalists had found documents in the Iraqi foreign ministry that indicate that France gave Saddam Hussein's regime regular reports on its dealings with American officials.

The newspaper said the documents reveal that Paris shared with Baghdad the contents of private transatlantic meetings and diplomatic traffic from Washington.

[waydwolf]

Originally posted by kark_1999


I'm yet to hear or read one quote from any "Hollywood" figure that is attempting to "humanize" terrorists. Also, the anti-war movement was/is not doing this either, despite the pro-Bush propaganda.

    First attempt at humanizing is to explore "the root causes". Terrorists can have all the "reasons" in the world. Not one is a cause under civilized law for attacking civilian non-combatants in any way, shape, or form.

    I grew up in a housing project and liberals tried to talk about "root causes of crime in poverty". Hogwash. I was poor and never did a drive-by, rape, robbery, etc. Hardships do not equate to sanctification of your actions.

    Second attempt at humanizing is to carry out the above through movies and television. Did you ever see "Under Siege"? I don't mean the one with Steven Segal, I mean the one with Peter "don't mention Spacehunter to me ever again" Strauss. Or "Navy Seals" with Charlie "Ginger Lynn who?" Sheen. At every turn, they sneak in a little bit on the suffering of all these poor people around the world and let them or the characters representing them try to justify it.

    Even Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't stomp the terrorists out in "Collateral Damage" without the movie sneaking in digs at the US government and trying to sympathize with the people from which the terrorists come.

    The background of the terrorists is irrellevant. Their suffering real or imagined is irrellevant. In no way, shape, or form do they have anything to do with what they do: murder people. That is all anyone needs to know and that is all anyone needs to deal with.

 

[Bogy]

waydwolf, congratulations for rising above the situation in which you grew up, but no matter what U.S. housing project you grew up in, you were still better off than something between a quarter and a half of the world's population. Extreme poverty is not an excuse, but it is a reason for why people make the decisions they do. To ignore the situations which encourage people to make poor decisions is also a poor decision. Recognizing catastrophic situations for what they are and attempting to change those situations is not the same as condoning actions people take out of desperation.