"ENTERPRISE" (05/07/03)

[Mark Holtz]

From Zap2It (http://tv.zap2it.com/news/networkupdate.html?31337):

Frozen Cybernetic Aliens Mysteriously Revive on UPN's "ENTERPRISE" (05/07/03)

"Regeneration" - An excavation team on Earth makes an astounding discovery when they uncover a pair of never-seen-before cybernetic aliens (Borg drones) buried in the Arctic Circle. When these aliens mysteriously revive themselves and take off into space in one of the Earth ships, Enterprise is called upon to investigate and stop them, on ENTERPRISE, Wednesday, May 7 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on UPN. David Livingston directed the episode from a script by Mike Sussman and Phyllis Strong.

Meanwhile, as Archer and the crew close in on the fleeing aliens, the drones send a signal back to The Collective meaning regardless of what happens in this fight, humans and the Borg are destined to meet again.

Let the flamage begin....

[TNGTony]

I've already expressed my displeasure of the complete disregard for continuity. I've given up. I'll not watch as long as Burman is at the helm.

See ya
Tony

[SParker]

Its not really a breach since they breached it in First Contact.

[waydwolf]

Originally posted by TNGTony
I've already expressed my displeasure of the complete disregard for continuity. I've given up. I'll not watch as long as Burman is at the helm.

See ya
Tony

    I agree wholeheartedly. They went to the Klingon homeworld in the first episode, warped around as if on a ship ten times faster than the Enterprise E, and blew every other well established fact of that millieu out of the water within a few episodes.

    Berman has never made any secret of his loathing for the original Trek nor his desire to remake Trek his way. He'd rather reinvent the entire history of Trek the way he wants instead of taking part in it and co-operating with those who've made established parts of it, as all the other creative people in Trek do. Where even Harlan Ellison bowed to the existing, Berman thinks he is above it.

    Damn but I miss Roddenberry.

 

[SamC]

Horriable. Leaving aside the contempt for established Trek history, it just says they can't come up with anything original whatsoever.

They would best leave the Borg alone, and adhere to the established TNG and Voyager timeline.

If they have to mess with it, they could examine where Borgism is at this point in history. They might find a civilization that seems benign, where they are working on computer assisted lifestyles, or simply where the colective good is valued over individual freedom (since the Borg are just an alagory for communism) and then at the end find out its called "Borg" and just write it off as a nice place.

Having a TNG-level Borg in full awarness of the Earth at this point in time means that they take over Earth in short order.

[Peter Wilson]

Originally posted by TNGTony
I've already expressed my displeasure of the complete disregard for continuity. I've given up. I'll not watch as long as Burman is at the helm.

See ya
Tony

I love these 'trekkers' that constantly cut down anything Enterprise... they say that they'll not watch it any more but they're the first to critique each week. None of this Star Trek drek since TOS has been of 'Citizen Kane' caliber but it is entertaining. Like Bobby Knight said, "just sit back and enjoy it."

[Chris Blount]

Originally posted by Peter Wilson


I love these 'trekkers' that constantly cut down anything Enterprise... they say that they'll not watch it any more but they're the first to critique each week. None of this Star Trek drek since TOS has been of 'Citizen Kane' caliber but it is entertaining. Like Bobby Knight said, "just sit back and enjoy it." I agree with Peter. Continuity errors are bound to happen with so many writers and producers involved with a 35 year franchise history. I think Enterprise is a good show with good production value and same fairly decent acting. If they break the rules of the franchise, so what! It's a business and they can pretty much do what they want to keep the show on the air.

Besides, if you are going to bitch about Enterprise you should be complaining more about Deep Space Nine. They were the first to break continuity. Remember the time travel episode when Cisco, Warf and other crew members went back in time to the Trouble With Tribbles incident? After that episode, the gates were wide open.

[gcutler]

Originally posted by Chris Blount
I agree with Peter. Continuity errors are bound to happen with so many writers and producers involved with a 35 year franchise history. I think Enterprise is a good show with good production value and same fairly decent acting. If they break the rules of the franchise, so what! It's a business and they can pretty much do what they want to keep the show on the air.

Besides, if you are going to bitch about Enterprise you should be complaining more about Deep Space Nine. They were the first to break continuity. Remember the time travel episode when Cisco, Warf and other crew members went back in time to the Trouble With Tribbles incident? After that episode, the gates were wide open.

Time Travel = Holodeck, crutch for lack of plot ideas. Each time they use it the attempt is just that much worse to watch.

[jrjcd]

interesting article about Enterprise and the set up for next season-essentially a BIG STEAL from "crusade"...all things considered, tho, they should probably hire JMS to run it considering berman's derth of imagination(am i the only one who was wondering what cenobites were doing wondering about in nemesis???)

[jrjcd]

the article is in next week's TV Guide-sory about that

[gcutler]

Originally posted by jrjcd
interesting article about Enterprise and the set up for next season-essentially a BIG STEAL from "crusade"...all things considered, tho, they should probably hire JMS to run it considering berman's derth of imagination(am i the only one who was wondering what cenobites were doing wondering about in nemesis???)

After Rodenberry's death, JMS and Joss Wheadon (Buffy) seem to me to be the two Sci-Fi/Horror guys with imagination on TV. But when it was their own idea was where the excelled. Either of them would be an improvement over Berman, but I doubt either of them would be happy running the Roddenberry universe. They need to find someone who has not developer many of their series yet and has "Eye of the Tiger".

[gcutler]

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They could have made it worse, the time line was not terribly adjusted, assuming that they were interested in earth based on this episode and their first appearance on TNG just made them even more attractive to the Borg (and therefore not changing the timeline).

Only issue would be why not publish the alert so that when those 200 years in the future would know to be aware, as it seemed that in TNG there was no knowledge of them (well just say a Star Fleet beaureacrat lost the alert???) All in all a throw away episode without much harm to the time line, or help to the series...

[Chris Blount]

I thought it was kind of a bland episode but interesting. When the Borg first show up in TNG, do they ever explain why? I don't remember any reference to why the Borg were even in the Apha quadrant.

You are right though. Definitely a throw away episode.

[Mike123abc]

In TNG, Q takes Enterprise to the far reaches of the galaxy and exposes them to the Borg. This is a new encounter for the federation. Then, Q returns them back to the Alpha quadrant where the Federation stats to plan for the Borg invasion. Supposedly when the Borg saw the Enterprise, they then set their sights on the federation.

[waydwolf]

Originally posted by Chris Blount
I thought it was kind of a bland episode but interesting. When the Borg first show up in TNG, do they ever explain why? I don't remember any reference to why the Borg were even in the Apha quadrant. 


    The Borg presence in the Alpha Quadrant was established in the second season of Star Trek: The Next Generation in the episode "Q Who" when Q sent the Enterprise D to the Delta Quadrant as one of his many tests and once made aware of the level of human advancement, their arrival later in "The Best of Both Worlds" was assured.

 

 

[waydwolf]

Originally posted by Peter Wilson


I love these 'trekkers' that constantly cut down anything Enterprise... they say that they'll not watch it any more but they're the first to critique each week. None of this Star Trek drek since TOS has been of 'Citizen Kane' caliber but it is entertaining. Like Bobby Knight said, "just sit back and enjoy it."

    I don't watch it and criticize it when it is mentioned as the horrible tripe that it is.

    Gene Roddenberry started a wonderful world to work within with much room for expansion and many highly talented writers and directors have worked within the minimal constraints of that world to help flesh it out.

    Berman on the other hand is totally rewriting the entire basis of Trek by starting off well before all prior material and simply ignoring future history. This would be like writing a series based on the characters in Barney Miller before they were cops and rewriting their characters such that they never became cops in the first place.

    Much of what has happened on Enterprise so far is a total departure from the timeline of the future and is so far being sold as part of the Trek universe when in fact it is at best a parallel Trek universe which can never logically proceed to Star Trek, The Next Generation, Voyager, Deep Space Nine, or any of the movies.

    The point is that this is being done PURPOSEFULLY in total arrogance and disregard for the work of so many hundreds of creative people who didn't behave this way and instead honored Gene Roddenberry and each other through self-chosen mutual co-operation.

    And I might add that Berman and company ignoring well established Trek physics at will is like a reversion to the world of Flash Gordon where travel between planets and star systems was arbitrarily short depending on the pacing of the story and not any set of world background rules. The Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual was pretty clear on warp speeds and largely followed from the time it was written to the end of Voyager.

    Trek foresaw the use of crystalls to channel charged particle beams(Scientific American, June 1989), metastable superheavies(Scientific American, May 1989), and warp travel(see NASA, Alcubiere, etc.). It's not a franchise that should so quickly be mucked up for Berman's ego.