View Full Version : Done with install of slimline 5. Overkill?
avengence
12-20-08, 03:15 PM
Alright so I am done putting up my slimline 5 and aligning it. The guy who was out here helping me had an extra leg to put on it so now it has 3 legs. I went to the store and got some henrys roof sealant. I put that all over it cause I didnt want my roof to leak. Im sure it wouldnt have anyway, I just want to keep the roof free from leaks. Tell me what you guys think.
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urnote96
12-20-08, 03:31 PM
MY first question as as an installer....do you have a line of site problem cause IT SHOULD never be mounted at the peak of a roof unless you have a LINE OF SITE ISSUE
avengence
12-20-08, 03:50 PM
Yea, there was a tree that was in the way. I posted about it before on another thread. I just had to get a little more elevation on it. I got a lot better signal where it is now.
Sartori
12-20-08, 04:22 PM
Yea, there was a tree that was in the way. I posted about it before on another thread. I just had to get a little more elevation on it. I got a lot better signal where it is now.
How come you put all the braces in line with each other? One of them could have been at 90degrees to the other two.....
RobertE
12-20-08, 05:33 PM
Sorry, your not going to like my "view".
The location of two of the monopoles are worthless. The short one (in the front) and the long one that is very low on the mast provide little to no support. They might as well not even be there.
Having coated the bolt heads with the goop is only going to make things more difficult for you or whoever may need to re-torque those lag bolts down the road. Hard to tell from the pics, but it looks like you didn't put any lags in the center row of the foot.
Sorry to say, this would fail a QC.
avengence
12-20-08, 05:48 PM
I put them all in line with eachother because I didnt want to have it go over the actual part of the roof. It is still on the eaves. The pole is VERY sturdy feeling.
I will still be able to get to the bolts if I just put a bit on it and turn it on. It doesnt get hard, just squishy when it dries. Id rather have to battle with the goop then have to battle with a leaky roof. I was looking how directv installed my neighbors slimline and they only used the main brace. I think it will be fine in the winds we get here.
I put them all in line with eachother because I didnt want to have it go over the actual part of the roof. It is still on the eaves. The pole is VERY sturdy feeling.
I will still be able to get to the bolts if I just put a bit on it and turn it on. It doesnt get hard, just squishy when it dries. Id rather have to battle with the goop then have to battle with a leaky roof. I was looking how directv installed my neighbors slimline and they only used the main brace. I think it will be fine in the winds we get here.
everyone seems to be a little critical, I think it looks great!
jasonki32
12-20-08, 06:04 PM
There is no drip loop that I can see.
avengence
12-20-08, 06:08 PM
everyone seems to be a little critical, I think it looks great!
Thanks! I was just trying to show everyone what I did. I pretty much did it the best I could with the limited knowledge I have of installing dishes (none) and what I had to work with. I just didnt want to destroy my roof and I had to clear my neighbors tree (wish I could cut that thing down, it fills my gutters and kills my lawn).
avengence
12-20-08, 06:09 PM
There is no drip loop that I can see.
There is one, when it goes into the side of the house we made sure it went down and then back up at least a few inches, I mad sure the water ran off of it too.
Sartori
12-20-08, 06:13 PM
I put them all in line with eachother because I didnt want to have it go over the actual part of the roof. It is still on the eaves
Wouldn't have been a problem, some silicone on the threads and into the truss....
Mertzen
12-20-08, 07:22 PM
No monopoles in the windload direction.
Johnnie5000
12-22-08, 07:15 AM
The location of two of the monopoles are worthless. The short one (in the front) and the long one that is very low on the mast provide little to no support. They might as well not even be there.
What he said. The one that is almost laying on the roof isn't doing anything at all for you. If it can be raised up on the pipe, do so. Otherwise you put holes in your roof for that monopole in vain.
Sartori
12-22-08, 08:17 AM
everyone seems to be a little critical, I think it looks great!
Yes we are being critical, he asked what we thought and its rather obvious that the support poles are not mounted correctly. In order for three support poles to do any good they need to be mounted in a tripod pattern.....especially on the top of a roof.
Yes it seems steady now but after time I guarantee you it will loosen up.....
MY first question as as an installer....do you have a line of site problem cause IT SHOULD never be mounted at the peak of a roof unless you have a LINE OF SITE ISSUE
Could you elaborate on why the dish should not be mounted at the peak? Thanks!
rudeney
12-22-08, 11:05 AM
Could you elaborate on why the dish should not be mounted at the peak? Thanks!
I wonder about that, too. Maybe it's because mounting below the peak offers more protection from wind and low-flying planes?
curt8403
12-22-08, 11:35 AM
seems like the installers are all saying that your install is not so good, but that is because they are installers, and now the correct and most useful way of doing things. I agree with them, that things could have been better, Bishops tape under the feet of the poles would have been better than smearing or painting a roof cement on the bolts.
As to not mounting on a roof peak, I think that peak mounts tend to get more wind shear, and they are more visible, which makes some people unhappy
BattleZone
12-22-08, 12:01 PM
Mounting a dish on the peak of a roof subjects the dish to much more wind, which is usually the biggest enemy of a satellite system. In snow country, this can sometimes be an advantage, though, because it can blow snow off the dish. Still, if the dish ices up, it's very unlikely you'll be able to reach it on the peak, so hopefully you installed a dish heater.
The mast of the dish has the most support going front-to-back, as that's the direction that the mast foot is longest. It is weakest side-to-side, which is why it is so critical to have a monopole to the side. In the pictured installation, the 3 monopoles actually add very little additional support and leave the most critical angle weak. I think we'd all recommend moving one of them to the side, even though it is over the living space. You already have some Henry's, so you can make sure it is sealed.
thespaceghost
12-22-08, 12:07 PM
I wonder about that, too. Maybe it's because mounting below the peak offers more protection from wind and low-flying planes?
You would be surprised on how many service calls ive been on where a plane has knocked the dish out of alignment. (our techs out here are perfect, they would never leave bolts loose or poorly aligned)
The extra monopole is overkill. Its really adds no extra support but puts extra holes in your roof. If its possible, keep the dish lower to minimize wind load, the damage if it should leak, and the time spent on the roof.
You don't need a drip loop at the dish as long as you do not have any barrels. Service loop or extra cable is always needed.
There would be no QC fail other than the sealant used and not using 6 lags. Overall its a great install and there is nothing there that I can see that would cause definite problems over time.
Not to be nit-picky...but I believe that white cable is also not UV rated, which will crack and cause water issues later down the road. And for dish location, it's really inconvenient to have the dish that high, I would have suggested a pole mount next to the house rather than have it that high on the roof. Have fun getting snow/ice off of it...
You would be surprised on how many service calls ive been on where a plane has knocked the dish out of alignment. (our techs out here are perfect, they would never leave bolts loose or poorly aligned)
That's a bold statement to make, you have a lot of confidence in them! If I am having planes knock my dish out of alignment, I would complain to the authorities! There's absolutely NO reason that a plane needs to be that close to your house! I'd be more concerned about going up in a ball of flames rather than have a perfect alignment on my dish...
Scary.
rudeney
12-22-08, 02:02 PM
That's a bold statement to make, you have a lot of confidence in them! If I am having planes knock my dish out of alignment, I would complain to the authorities! There's absolutely NO reason that a plane needs to be that close to your house! I'd be more concerned about going up in a ball of flames rather than have a perfect alignment on my dish...
Scary.
Um, the whole "low-flying planes" thing was a joke. :lol:
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