Uplink Activity for the Week of 12-30-8 ....

[JohnH]

UPLINK ACTIVITY: SAMPLE TAKEN 12-30-2008 14:17:00 TO 12-30-2008 14:18:06 ET


79 CHANGE(S)

CHNG 625 NHLN MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? HIDE
TO 625 NHLN MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 625 NHLN MPEG4 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 625 NHLN MPEG4 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 626 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 18 EchoStar 7 119w AT100?
TO 626 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 18 EchoStar 7 119w AT100? PREV

CHNG 626 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 6 72.7w AT100?
TO 626 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 6 72.7w AT100? PREV

CHNG 627 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 24 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? HIDE
TO 627 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 24 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 627 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 627 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 628 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 16 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? HIDE
TO 628 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 16 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 628 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 628 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 629 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? HIDE
TO 629 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 629 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 1 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 629 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 1 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 630 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 12 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? HIDE
TO 630 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 12 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 630 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 630 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 631 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 12 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? HIDE
TO 631 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 12 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 631 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 631 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 632 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 10 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? HIDE
TO 632 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 10 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 632 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 632 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 633 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 12 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? HIDE
TO 633 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 12 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 633 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 633 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 634 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 24 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? HIDE
TO 634 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 24 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 634 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 634 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 635 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 16 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? HIDE
TO 635 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 16 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 635 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 635 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 636 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 24 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? HIDE
TO 636 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 24 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 636 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 636 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 637 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 24 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? HIDE
TO 637 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 24 EchoStar 11 110w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 637 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 637 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 29 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 638 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 10 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? HIDE
TO 638 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 10 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 638 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 638 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 639 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? HIDE
TO 639 NHL MPEG2 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 7 119w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 639 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 1 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? HIDE
TO 639 NHL MPEG4 SD Tp 1 EchoStar 6 72.7w SPORT? PREV

CHNG 6381 KCWE{KANSAS CITY, MO} MPEG4 HD Tp 4 EchoStar 5 129w UNAVAIL HIDE HD MAP 29
TO 6381 KCWE{KANSAS CITY, MO} MPEG4 HD Tp 4 EchoStar 5 129w AVAIL HIDE HD MAP 29

CHNG 6381 KCWE{KANSAS CITY, MO} MPEG4 HD Tp 9 Spot 18 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE HD MAP 29
TO 6381 KCWE{KANSAS CITY, MO} MPEG4 HD Tp 9 Spot 18 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE HD MAP 29

CHNG 7082 WBME{RACINE, WI} MPEG2 SD Tp 23 Spot 23 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 49
TO 7082 WBME{RACINE, WI} MPEG2 SD Tp 23 Spot 23 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 49

CHNG 7172 WMAV{OXFORD, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 20 Spot 14 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 18
TO 7172 WMAV{OXFORD, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 20 Spot 14 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 18

CHNG 7174 WTWV{MEMPHIS, TN} MPEG2 SD Tp 20 Spot 14 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 14
TO 7174 WTWV{MEMPHIS, TN} MPEG2 SD Tp 20 Spot 14 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 14

CHNG 7487 WJWJ{BEAUFORT, SC} MPEG2 SD Tp 5 Carolinas EchoStar 7 119w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 16
TO 7487 WJWJ{BEAUFORT, SC} MPEG2 SD Tp 5 Carolinas EchoStar 7 119w AVAIL HIDE MAP 16

CHNG 7502 KHBSD{FORT SMITH, AR} MPEG2 SD Tp 23 Spot 20 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 21
TO 7502 KHBSD{FORT SMITH, AR} MPEG2 SD Tp 23 Spot 20 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 21

CHNG 7665 KLUJ{HARLINGEN, TX} MPEG2 SD Tp 29 Spot 17 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 44
TO 7665 KLUJ{HARLINGEN, TX} MPEG2 SD Tp 29 Spot 17 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 44

CHNG 8216 KCDO{STERLING, CO} MPEG2 SD Tp 12 Spot 30 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 3
TO 8216 KCDO{STERLING, CO} MPEG2 SD Tp 12 Spot 30 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 3

CHNG 8241 KCNS{SAN FRANCISCO, CA} MPEG2 SD Tp 20 Spot 43 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 38
TO 8241 KCNS{SAN FRANCISCO, CA} MPEG2 SD Tp 20 Spot 43 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP2 38

CHNG 8386 KETH{HOUSTON, TX} MPEG2 SD Tp 12 Spot 16 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 14
TO 8386 KETH{HOUSTON, TX} MPEG2 SD Tp 12 Spot 16 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 14

CHNG 8481 KHCE{SAN ANTONIO, TX} MPEG2 SD Tp 23 Spot 22 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 23
TO 8481 KHCE{SAN ANTONIO, TX} MPEG2 SD Tp 23 Spot 22 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP2 23

CHNG 8547 KTMW{SALT LAKE CITY, UT} MPEG2 SD Tp 26 Spot 34 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 20
TO 8547 KTMW{SALT LAKE CITY, UT} MPEG2 SD Tp 26 Spot 34 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 20

CHNG 8717 WLLA{KALAMAZOO, MI} MPEG2 SD Tp 12 Spot 13 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 64
TO 8717 WLLA{KALAMAZOO, MI} MPEG2 SD Tp 12 Spot 13 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP2 64

CHNG 8761 WRAY{WILSON, NC} MPEG2 SD Tp 31 Spot 5 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 30
TO 8761 WRAY{WILSON, NC} MPEG2 SD Tp 31 Spot 5 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP2 30

CHNG 8786 WMFP{LAWRENCE, MA} MPEG2 SD Tp 18 Spot 4 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 62
TO 8786 WMFP{LAWRENCE, MA} MPEG2 SD Tp 18 Spot 4 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 62

CHNG 8846 WBEC{BOCA RATON, FL} MPEG2 SD Tp 3 South Florida EchoStar 7 119w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 63
TO 8846 WBEC{BOCA RATON, FL} MPEG2 SD Tp 3 South Florida EchoStar 7 119w AVAIL HIDE MAP 63

CHNG 8875 WTCE{FORT PIERCE, FL} MPEG2 SD Tp 1 South Florida EchoStar 7 119w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 21
TO 8875 WTCE{FORT PIERCE, FL} MPEG2 SD Tp 1 South Florida EchoStar 7 119w AVAIL HIDE MAP 21

CHNG 9059 WJEB{JACKSONVILLE, FL} MPEG2 SD Tp 23 Spot 3 EchoStar 10 110w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 59
TO 9059 WJEB{JACKSONVILLE, FL} MPEG2 SD Tp 23 Spot 3 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP2 59

CHNG 9541 NHLN MPEG4 HD Tp 2 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 625
TO 9541 NHLN MPEG4 HD Tp 2 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 625

CHNG 9541 NHLN MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 625
TO 9541 NHLN MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 625

CHNG 9542 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w AT100? HD MAP 626
TO 9542 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w AT100? PREV HD MAP 626

CHNG 9542 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 27 EchoStar 5 129w AT100? HD MAP 626
TO 9542 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 27 EchoStar 5 129w AT100? PREV HD MAP 626

CHNG 9543 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 627
TO 9543 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 627

CHNG 9543 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 627
TO 9543 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 627

CHNG 9544 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 20 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 628
TO 9544 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 20 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 628

CHNG 9544 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 628
TO 9544 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 628

CHNG 9545 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 629
TO 9545 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 629

CHNG 9545 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 27 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 629
TO 9545 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 27 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 629

CHNG 9546 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 630
TO 9546 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 630

CHNG 9546 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 27 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 630
TO 9546 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 27 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 630

CHNG 9547 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 20 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 631
TO 9547 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 20 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 631

CHNG 9547 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 631
TO 9547 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 631

CHNG 9548 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 20 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 632
TO 9548 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 20 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 632

CHNG 9548 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 27 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 632
TO 9548 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 27 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 632

CHNG 9549 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 633
TO 9549 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 633

CHNG 9549 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 633
TO 9549 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 633

CHNG 9550 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 20 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 634
TO 9550 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 20 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 634

CHNG 9550 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 634
TO 9550 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 634

CHNG 9551 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 635
TO 9551 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 635

CHNG 9551 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 635
TO 9551 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 635

CHNG 9552 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 636
TO 9552 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 636

CHNG 9552 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 636
TO 9552 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 636

CHNG 9553 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 20 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 637
TO 9553 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 20 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 637

CHNG 9553 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 27 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 637
TO 9553 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 27 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 637

CHNG 9554 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 638
TO 9554 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 638

CHNG 9554 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 638
TO 9554 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 638

CHNG 9555 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 20 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 639
TO 9555 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 20 EchoStar 3 61.5w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 639

CHNG 9555 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? HIDE HD MAP 639
TO 9555 NHLHD MPEG4 HD Tp 8 EchoStar 5 129w SPORT? PREV HD MAP 639

79 CHANGE(S) 5917 CHANNELS IN THE SYSTEM

[space86]

Looks like no end of year HD.

[phrelin]

Looks like no end of year HD.Soon....:rolleyes:

[tcatdbs]

"Soon"? I may be dead before then :mad:

I guess I'll pay "UP TO" 100% of my bill this month :D

[phrelin]

"Soon"? I may be dead before then :mad:

I guess I'll pay "UP TO" 100% of my bill this month :D:lol:

[geoff]

"Soon"? I may be dead before then :mad:

I guess I'll pay "UP TO" 100% of my bill this month :D


I'm going to pay mine 'Soon'

[James Long]

Hmm ... I expected another half dozen LTD (local take down) channels.
Maybe tomorrow? :D

[dennispap]

Hmm ... I expected another half dozen LTD (local take down) channels.
Maybe tomorrow? :D

Im sure it will be the Baton Rouge Fox, CW, and NBC taken off. Then Dish will only have CBS (in sd) and directv has the locals in HD

[yellowsnow0]

Does this mean NHLN channel is a preview? Or is it going to be part of regular programming? I see I have the channel.... I don't know if I had it before....

[JohnH]

Does this mean NHLN channel is a preview? Or is it going to be part of regular programming? I see I have the channel.... I don't know if I had it before....It is a preview for about a week. Mid-Season thingy. You should get the games as well.

[JohnH]

UPLINK ACTIVITY: SAMPLE TAKEN 12-31-2008 13:42:00 TO 12-31-2008 13:43:06 ET


30 ADD(S)

ADD 357 ENCOR MPEG2 SD Tp 14 EchoStar 7 119w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 357 ENCOR MPEG4 SD Tp 3 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 358 ENCRW MPEG2 SD Tp 15 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 358 ENCRW MPEG4 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 359 EWSTN MPEG2 SD Tp 15 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 359 EWSTN MPEG4 SD Tp 9 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 360 EACTN MPEG2 SD Tp 5 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 360 EACTN MPEG4 SD Tp 9 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 361 EMYST MPEG2 SD Tp 1 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 361 EMYST MPEG4 SD Tp 9 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 362 EDRAM MPEG2 SD Tp 6 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 362 EDRAM MPEG4 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 363 ELOVE MPEG2 SD Tp 16 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 363 ELOVE MPEG4 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 364 EWAM MPEG2 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 364 EWAM MPEG4 SD Tp 7 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 365 STARZ MPEG2 SD Tp 14 EchoStar 7 119w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 365 STARZ MPEG4 SD Tp 7 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 366 STRZW MPEG2 SD Tp 15 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 366 STRZW MPEG4 SD Tp 3 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 367 SEDGE MPEG2 SD Tp 14 EchoStar 7 119w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 367 SEDGE MPEG4 SD Tp 7 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 368 SCINE MPEG2 SD Tp 14 EchoStar 7 119w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 368 SCINE MPEG4 SD Tp 7 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 369 STZC MPEG2 SD Tp 15 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 369 STZC MPEG4 SD Tp 7 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 370 SBLCK MPEG2 SD Tp 14 EchoStar 7 119w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 370 SBLCK MPEG4 SD Tp 7 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 371 SK&FM MPEG2 SD Tp 14 EchoStar 7 119w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 371 SK&FM MPEG4 SD Tp 7 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

30 CHANGE(S) 5947 CHANNELS IN THE SYSTEM

[grog]

EDRAM is now on 345 and EWAM is on 347.

Are they moving spots?

What does this mean for HDNET ( 362 ) and HDTHR ( 364 )? :confused:

Would hate to see HDNET and HDTHR dropped. :nono2:

UPLINK ACTIVITY: SAMPLE TAKEN 12-31-2008 13:42:00 TO 12-31-2008 13:43:06 ET


ADD 362 EDRAM MPEG4 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE
ADD 364 EWAM MPEG2 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE
ADD 364 EWAM MPEG4 SD Tp 7 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

[JohnH]

EDRAM is now on 345 and EWAM is on 347.

Are they moving spots?

What does this mean for HDNET ( 362 ) and HDTHR ( 364 )? :confused:

Would hate to see HDNET and HDTHR dropped. :nono2:
HDNET and HDTHR are not really on 362 and 364. They are mapped down to those. Likely the mapdowns will change to some other channels. This activity looks like a channel realignment to allow adding of some other movie package channels in the lower 300s.

[Paul Secic]

Looks like no end of year HD.

Maybe by Februay.

[nmetro]

If I did not know better, but it looks like either DISH will be removing Encore from AT250 or adding Starz to AT250 maybe in time for the 1 February, 2009 rate increase. Considering the ordering Encore before Starz this possibility comes to mind.

[James Long]

Odd that they "covered up" the HD only channels.
The first thing that comes to my mind is free previews to compensate for channel loss. :)

[JohnH]

UPLINK ACTIVITY: SAMPLE TAKEN 12-31-2008 18:07:00 TO 12-31-2008 18:08:06 ET


12 ADD(S)

ADD 372 EDRAM MPEG2 SD Tp 6 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 372 EDRAM MPEG4 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 373 EWAM MPEG2 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 373 EWAM MPEG4 SD Tp 7 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 375 STRZW MPEG2 SD Tp 15 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 375 STRZW MPEG4 SD Tp 3 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 376 STZC MPEG2 SD Tp 15 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 376 STZC MPEG4 SD Tp 7 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 377 MAX-E MPEG4 HD Tp 22 EchoStar 3 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 377 MAX-E MPEG4 HD Tp 27 EchoStar 5 129w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 378 STARZ MPEG4 HD Tp 2 EchoStar 3 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE

ADD 378 STARZ MPEG4 HD Tp 30 EchoStar 5 129w UNAVAIL HIDE

8 DELETE(S)

DEL 362 EDRAM MPEG2 SD Tp 6 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

DEL 362 EDRAM MPEG4 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

DEL 364 EWAM MPEG2 SD Tp 21 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

DEL 364 EWAM MPEG4 SD Tp 7 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

DEL 366 STRZW MPEG2 SD Tp 15 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

DEL 366 STRZW MPEG4 SD Tp 3 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

DEL 369 STZC MPEG2 SD Tp 15 EchoStar 11 110w UNAVAIL HIDE

DEL 369 STZC MPEG4 SD Tp 7 EchoStar 6 72.7w UNAVAIL HIDE

20 CHANGE(S) 5951 CHANNELS IN THE SYSTEM

[JohnH]

UPLINK ACTIVITY: SAMPLE TAKEN 12-31-2008 19:12:00 TO 12-31-2008 19:13:06 ET


1 MOVE(S) (May include other changes as well.)

MOVE 7181 KVAL{EUGENE, OR} MPEG2 SD Tp 6 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP2 13
TO 7181 KVAL{EUGENE, OR} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP2 13

1 CHANGE(S) 5951 CHANNELS IN THE SYSTEM

[Stewart Vernon]

I don't even have a guess as to what is going on with this... but at least someone caught the overlap and corrected it.

[JohnH]

UPLINK ACTIVITY: SAMPLE TAKEN 01-01-2009 02:01:59 TO 01-01-2009 02:03:06 ET


3 ADD(S)

ADD 7319 WQCW{PORTSMOUTH, OH} MPEG4 SD Tp 27 EchoStar 3 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 30

ADD 7319 WQCW{PORTSMOUTH, OH} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 30

ADD 9589 LTD9 MPEG4 SD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE

2 DELETE(S)

DEL 7319 WQCW{PORTSMOUTH, OH} MPEG2 SD Tp 32 EchoStar 5 129w AVAIL HIDE MAP 30

DEL 7319 WQCW{PORTSMOUTH, OH} MPEG4 SD Tp 8 EchoStar 8 77w AVAIL HIDE MAP 30

13 MOVE(S) (May include other changes as well.)

MOVE 7391 KTKA{TOPEKA, KS} MPEG4 SD Tp 5 Spot 18 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP2 49
TO 7391 KTKA{TOPEKA, KS} MPEG4 SD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP2 49

MOVE 7391 KTKA{TOPEKA, KS} MPEG2 SD Tp 31 Spot 24 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP2 49
TO 7391 KTKA{TOPEKA, KS} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP2 49

MOVE 7522 KTEN{ADA, OK} MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 13 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 10
TO 7522 KTEN{ADA, OK} MPEG4 SD Tp 27 EchoStar 3 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 10

MOVE 7522 KTEN{ADA, OK} MPEG2 SD Tp 20 Spot 21 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 10
TO 7522 KTEN{ADA, OK} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 10

MOVE 8678 KUNP{LA GRANDE, OR} MPEG2 SD Tp 27 Spot 44 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 16
TO 8678 KUNP{LA GRANDE, OR} MPEG2 SD Tp 2 EchoStar 7 119w AVAIL HIDE MAP 16

MOVE 9201 WHDF{FLORENCE, AL} MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 15
TO 9201 WHDF{FLORENCE, AL} MPEG4 SD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 15

MOVE 9201 WHDF{FLORENCE, AL} MPEG2 SD Tp 29 Spot 11 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 15
TO 9201 WHDF{FLORENCE, AL} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 15

MOVE 9273 WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS} MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 35
TO 9273 WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS} MPEG4 SD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 35

MOVE 9273 WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 26 Spot 11 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 35
TO 9273 WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 35

MOVE 9274 WDBD{JACKSON, MS} MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 40
TO 9274 WDBD{JACKSON, MS} MPEG4 SD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 40

MOVE 9274 WDBD{JACKSON, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 26 Spot 11 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 40
TO 9274 WDBD{JACKSON, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 40

MOVE 9390 WUPV{ASHLAND, VA} MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 65
TO 9390 WUPV{ASHLAND, VA} MPEG4 SD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 65

MOVE 9390 WUPV{ASHLAND, VA} MPEG2 SD Tp 23 Spot 5 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 65
TO 9390 WUPV{ASHLAND, VA} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 65

18 CHANGE(S) 5952 CHANNELS IN THE SYSTEM

[James Long]

7319 WQCW{PORTSMOUTH, OH}
7391 KTKA{TOPEKA, KS}
7522 KTEN{ADA, OK}
8678 KUNP{LA GRANDE, OR}
9201 WHDF{FLORENCE, AL}
9273 WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS}
9274 WDBD{JACKSON, MS}
9390 WUPV{ASHLAND, VA}
Eight more channels of Eric Sahl. :rolleyes:

I wonder how long Eric had to sit in the studio recording all of the messages ... and when? DISH was certainly prepared for the contract expirations.

[JohnH]

UPLINK ACTIVITY: SAMPLE TAKEN 01-01-2009 18:02:00 TO 01-01-2009 18:03:06 ET


4 MOVE(S) (May include other changes as well.)

MOVE 9273 WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS} MPEG4 SD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 35
TO 9273 WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS} MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 35

MOVE 9273 WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 35
TO 9273 WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 26 Spot 11 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 35

MOVE 9274 WDBD{JACKSON, MS} MPEG4 SD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 40
TO 9274 WDBD{JACKSON, MS} MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 40

MOVE 9274 WDBD{JACKSON, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 40
TO 9274 WDBD{JACKSON, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 26 Spot 11 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 40

4 CHANGE(S) 5952 CHANNELS IN THE SYSTEM

[dennispap]

UPLINK ACTIVITY: SAMPLE TAKEN 01-01-2009 18:02:00 TO 01-01-2009 18:03:06 ET


4 MOVE(S) (May include other changes as well.)

MOVE 9273 WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS} MPEG4 SD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 35
TO 9273 WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS} MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 35

MOVE 9273 WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 35
TO 9273 WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 26 Spot 11 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 35

MOVE 9274 WDBD{JACKSON, MS} MPEG4 SD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 40
TO 9274 WDBD{JACKSON, MS} MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 40

MOVE 9274 WDBD{JACKSON, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 40
TO 9274 WDBD{JACKSON, MS} MPEG2 SD Tp 26 Spot 11 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 40

4 CHANGE(S) 5952 CHANNELS IN THE SYSTEM


http://www.fox40now.com/news/local/36947014.html
FOX 40 and My 35 Reach Deal With Dish Network

[James Long]

http://www.fox40now.com/news/local/36947014.html
FOX 40 and My 35 Reach Deal With Dish Network
FOX 40 and My 35 have reached an agreement with Dish Network for the satellite provider to continue to carry programming on the two stations. Dish Network will air FOX 40 in high definition.
Extra good news for those waiting for Fox in HD in that market.

[JohnH]

UPLINK ACTIVITY: SAMPLE TAKEN 01-02-2009 11:57:00 TO 01-02-2009 11:58:06 ET


2 ADD(S)

ADD 7319 WQCW{PORTSMOUTH, OH} MPEG2 SD Tp 32 EchoStar 5 129w AVAIL HIDE MAP 30

ADD 7319 WQCW{PORTSMOUTH, OH} MPEG4 SD Tp 8 EchoStar 8 77w AVAIL HIDE MAP 30

2 DELETE(S)

DEL 7319 WQCW{PORTSMOUTH, OH} MPEG4 SD Tp 27 EchoStar 3 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 30

DEL 7319 WQCW{PORTSMOUTH, OH} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 30

2 MOVE(S) (May include other changes as well.)

MOVE 9201 WHDF{FLORENCE, AL} MPEG4 SD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 15
TO 9201 WHDF{FLORENCE, AL} MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 15

MOVE 9201 WHDF{FLORENCE, AL} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 15
TO 9201 WHDF{FLORENCE, AL} MPEG2 SD Tp 29 Spot 11 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 15

6 CHANGE(S) 5952 CHANNELS IN THE SYSTEM

[James Long]

That appears to be four of the most recent eight (two companies) working it out (two last night, two today).
Hopefully the rest will return soon.

[JohnH]

UPLINK ACTIVITY: SAMPLE TAKEN 01-02-2009 14:07:00 TO 01-02-2009 14:08:06 ET


2 MOVE(S) (May include other changes as well.)

MOVE 9390 WUPV{ASHLAND, VA} MPEG4 SD Tp 23 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 65
TO 9390 WUPV{ASHLAND, VA} MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE MAP 65

MOVE 9390 WUPV{ASHLAND, VA} MPEG2 SD Tp 19 EchoStar 11 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 65
TO 9390 WUPV{ASHLAND, VA} MPEG2 SD Tp 23 Spot 5 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 65

2 CHANGE(S) 5952 CHANNELS IN THE SYSTEM

[James Long]

Hmmm ... I was expecting KTEN (owned by the owners of WHDF and WQCW returned earlier).

Still good to see channels returning.

[PRIME1]

First, thanks for the uplink reports and all the information that you guys provide.

Now, has anyone heard anything else regarding the Viacom channels? The last Charlie Chat sounded so optimistic.

[space86]

First, thanks for the uplink reports and all the information that you guys provide.

Now, has anyone heard anything else regarding the Viacom channels? The last Charlie Chat sounded so optimistic.

We might get Viacom/Paramount channels the end of this month
because in Feb. there is going to be a rate increase.

[JohnH]

We might get Viacom/Paramount channels the end of this month
because in Feb. there is going to be a rate increase.I would not expect anything during a rate increase month. Rumor is new HD is planned for this year. :)

[Stewart Vernon]

I don't know why so many people expect or try to tie new channels with a rate increase every year. Dish (and other companies as well) add channels throughout the year without rate increases. Dish, for example, last year added a bunch during the summer and early fall without a rate increase... so why would folks automatically assume/demand even more with the next rate increase?

I suppose companies could just add new channels only with a rate increase... but I'd rather that not become the trend!

Now back to your regularly scheduled uplink discussion :)

[HobbyTalk]

My guess is that no new HD channels will be added until after Feb. 1 due to the old HD Absolute package. If added before Feb. 1 the HD Absolute subscribers would get them added. I would think that Dish would wait to get some subscribers to move off that package.

[Bobby H]

If my Dish HD Absolute package remains "grandfathered" E* will have to seriously sweeten the deal to get me to change.

Just to keep what I have in programming with moving to a TurboHD setup I'm looking at a $25 per month rate increase. That's awful high a price jump in relation to my current $56 monthly bill (DishHD, SD locals, HBO).

If I have any choice, E* will have to offer quite a lot more than just 14 additional national HD networks (what they're planning to add in 2009) for me to be willing to pay over $80 per month. If they force me into a TurboHD package I'll probably downgrade significantly to keep my bill relatively low and then leave E* once my contract expires.

What E* needs to do is start figuring out a way to begin dumping SD-only channels to free up bandwidth and lower their own carriage fees. I watch very little SD quality TV anymore. As many more Americans get spoiled to the quality of HDTV as opposed to SDTV there will be far less a need to carry SD quality channels.

[FastNOC]

lol why would they dump SD only channels when BY FAR their subscriber base has SD tvs, not hd.

I mean, let's look at broadband. penetration for broadband in the US is only 57%. So what do you think penetration is for HD that costs 10 times more to upgrade to than broadband does to dial up.

According to what I can find it's at 25% expected to increase another 5 this year. SO a solution that will cut out 75% of the userbase is probably not a viable option

[JohnH]

8162 WYBE 35 Philadelphia is no longer available on DiSH Network. The info says tune a couple of other channels for PBS programming.

While WYBE is a NCE it is not a PBS primary. It provides much international content and should not have been dropped. It does remain on DIRECTV.

[JohnH]

UPLINK ACTIVITY: SAMPLE TAKEN 01-03-2009 09:52:00 TO 01-03-2009 09:53:06 ET


1 ADD(S)

ADD 8449 KBMTD{BEAUMONT, TX} MPEG2 SD Tp 12 Spot 16 EchoStar 10 110w AVAIL HIDE MAP 50

1 CHANGE(S) 5953 CHANNELS IN THE SYSTEM


Beaumont has NBC in time for the Playoffs this afternoon. :)

[Jim5506]

Moved to a more appropriate thread.

[ZBoomer]

lol why would they dump SD only channels when BY FAR their subscriber base has SD tvs, not hd.


Unfortunely, I think you're dead right. I can drive through my neighborhood and see a TON of Dish antennas, I mean like at least half the houses it seems, but a starkly low number are HD dishes, the VAST majority just Dish 500's. I think I've counted 4-5 HD dishes, but admittedly haven't done an actual count precisely. Typical upper-middle-class neighborhood, 2-5 year old homes.

I think we are very skewed on this forum, the VAST majority of customers are still SD only, sucks.

[space86]

The uplink report for this week will be posted on Wed. question?

[JohnH]

The uplink report for this week will be posted on Wed. question?It will be posted when I see the activity, whatever day that is. :)

[Bobby H]

lol why would they dump SD only channels when BY FAR their subscriber base has SD tvs, not hd.

To be able to keep up with competing rivals for one thing.

Dish Network has only so much satellite bandwidth it can provide to support additional HD-quality channels while keeping obsolete SD channels still running. The company cannot keep adding more HD channels without eventually being faced with getting rid of other channels elsewhere.

The primary focus of competition betweeh cable and satellite TV providers is in HDTV. It's right there in all the advertising. There's little talk of more SD channels or lower prices in those ads.

I don't know for certain, but it would not surprise me if cable broadcast networks were charging companies like Dish Network twice to carry their signals: one charge for the SD channel and another charge for the HD channel. Afterall, those networks have to spend extra to broadcast two versions of the same channel. Eventually all the networks will have their content formatted for 16X9 HD and anyone watching the channel in SD will be stuck with a letterboxed or squeezed version of it.

Most of Dish Network's customers may indeed have only SD service. However, that lack of HD customers doesn't reflect the level of HDTV market penetration. It's estimated more than 40 million homes in the United States now have at least one TV in their home capable of receiving HDTV signals.

High programming cost is preventing a lot of customers with HDTV sets from upgrading to HD quailty pay TV service. I waited a few months after buying my 52" HDTV before signing up on the Dish HD Absolute plan. I have several friends with HDTV sets who get only SD-quality cable or satellite service. I see certain restaurants equipped with flat screen HDTV panels showing SD stretch-o-vision content. Some people may stick with getting HDTV broadcast networks over the air and sticking with SD-only service for cable/satellite.

A $80 or $100+ per month bill is not a price mainstream consumers are going to be willing to pay for cable/satellite TV. The well-heeled among us may not blink at that. Average people are searching for areas to cut costs. Pundits talk about Blu-ray and its need to lower player prices and movie prices before it can lure the general public away from DVD. What makes pay TV providers think they're somehow different?

[Michael P]

WMFD Mansfield, OH (Cleveland DMA) was supposed to be added to the Cleveland locals this month. When new channels get added to a locals package what day of the month do they usually do it on? I keep checking but so far no dice. It should be somewhere in the range of 8517-8519 ( the gap betwen the 2 Cleveland DMA PBS stations ).

[James Long]

The trouble is that the day that DISH decides to drop a dozen SD channels permanently to make way for a few HD is the day that DISH discards the majority of their 13 million customers by telling the masses that they don't matter any more. Most won't smile and say "I'll take less channels for more money, Charlie." They will leave for a carrier who isn't ditching SD feeds.

[TvilleBee]

I don't think the way to do it would be to start dropping SD channels. Sounds like a viable idea to some, completely wrong for others. I think that switching all to MPEG4 would be a better long term approach, however the cost of switching all the MPEG2 units to newer ones is a high cost in itself... would it be done for free, 50/50, or "if you want to keep getting service, buy this"? There is no easy solution...

[Stewart Vernon]

Last time I had any knowlege, the breakdown seemed something like 12 million SD-only customers vs 2 million HD customers. I'm probably remembering a bit high on the HD side, so consider the actual skew of SD to HD customers at Dish to be more lopsided than even I'm assuming.

I'd be surprised if DirecTV had much different of a skew in their subscriber-base.

Sure companies are advertising HD as the next big thing... that's what companies do. But if they dropped their SD channels to make room for HD they would lose a lot more customers than they would gain by doing so.

The first company to just wholesale drop SD for the sake of doing it will be the first one to go out of business. It's going to have to be a gradual thing.

Consider too that many HD "only" customers have been demanding to still get SD versions too because they want to record some things on their DVR in SD to save bandwidth and space on their hard drives... so even the HD "only" customers might pitch a fit.

[ZBoomer]

What they could do is ditch the SD versions of channels that are available in HD. Then have the receiver down-rez the HD channel for SD viewers.

I've always thought it was stupid using bandwidth for SD and HD versions of the same channel, when the HD one could just be shown in SD, similar to the TV2 output of a 722.

[James Long]

What they could do is ditch the SD versions of channels that are available in HD. Then have the receiver down-rez the HD channel for SD viewers.DISH is probably 15-30 million receivers away from the ability to do that. They have to replace EVERY receiver with a ViP model first.

[scooper]

What they could do is ditch the SD versions of channels that are available in HD. Then have the receiver down-rez the HD channel for SD viewers.

I've always thought it was stupid using bandwidth for SD and HD versions of the same channel, when the HD one could just be shown in SD, similar to the TV2 output of a 722.

That would take quite a bit of horsepower to re-encode the HD streams down to SD in real time and record them that way.

[TvilleBee]

That would take quite a bit of horsepower to re-encode the HD streams down to SD in real time and record them that way.

Wouldn't have to recode before record, just let it record in HD & then just output SD like it is now on TV2 of the 622/722... If they had such a receiver / dvr that had MPEG4 - MPEG2 capabilities, but no HD outputs (HDMI or component) and just simple "CH3" & S-Vid or composite, that could possibly be used to start swapping all SD only customers to MPEG4 & allow a gradual transition to all MPEG4, not just the eastern arc...

[James Long]

Wouldn't have to recode before record, just let it record in HD & then just output SD like it is now on TV2 of the 622/722... If they had such a receiver / dvr that had MPEG4 - MPEG2 capabilities, but no HD outputs (HDMI or component) and just simple "CH3" & S-Vid or composite, that could possibly be used to start swapping all SD only customers to MPEG4 & allow a gradual transition to all MPEG4, not just the eastern arc...Now you're talking a completely new receiver that would have to be replaced if a customer upgraded to HD. It is better just to supply the HD receiver.

In my EA market DISHBuilder sets up new customers with ViP receivers regardless of if they add HD or not ... with no "no HD penalty" added (although DISHBuilder could be flawed). MPEG4 is the future of DISH (and DirecTV). Getting the massive installed userbases over to new receivers is the challenge.

I'm not sure how a receiver with all the guts of a ViP but no HD output would save DISH money. I expect there will be a "ViP-111" small footprint unit eventually ... but it certainly won't be an MPEG4 version of the 111. It will be much more.

[TvilleBee]

Now you're talking a completely new receiver that would have to be replaced if a customer upgraded to HD. It is better just to supply the HD receiver.

In my EA market DISHBuilder sets up new customers with ViP receivers regardless of if they add HD or not ... with no "no HD penalty" added (although DISHBuilder could be flawed). MPEG4 is the future of DISH (and DirecTV). Getting the massive installed userbases over to new receivers is the challenge.

I'm not sure how a receiver with all the guts of a ViP but no HD output would save DISH money. I expect there will be a "ViP-111" small footprint unit eventually ... but it certainly won't be an MPEG4 version of the 111. It will be much more.

I do understand what you're saying, but I can expect a lot of people to get the HD recievers for SD only service, seeing the "HD" logo on the front & immediately think they're getting "HD", much like some people who bought HD TV's early on, connected to their old SD boxes & think "POOF! HD-TV" I'm sure the cost of development, or disablement in my idea, wouldn't be cheap & will probably never happen. I was thinking along the lines of the low end tv's that are digital, but not HD, just a 4x3 tv w/ an ATSC tuner. An MPEG4 capable SD reciever would be great for something like that??

At any rate, I do apologize for hijacking an "uplink" thread...

[Bobby H]

What they could do is ditch the SD versions of channels that are available in HD. Then have the receiver down-rez the HD channel for SD viewers.

This sort of thing is already happening in the broadcasts from a lot of local TV stations. The ABC affiliate I can pick up over the air only uses the HD feed for its broadcasts. It just does a 1.33:1 extraction from the middle of the 16X9 HD image, down-samples it and sends that out to broadcast for the SD version. They don't have their channel 7/ABC logo positioned in the bottom of the screen correctly because part of it gets clipped in that 1.33:1 extraction. The SD viewers are not seeing imagery composed for 1.33:1 SD unless the original content is 1.33:1 SD.

TV networks will showing a decreasing level of care in protecting a 1.33:1 SD frame. Viewers who want to stick with SD for a long time to come are going to see an increasing amount of letterboxed 16X9 ratio imagery, or they will more likely deal with a lot of pan and scan style cropping -the 1.33:1 extractions from the middle of the HD image.

Networks will eventually move to doing nothing but 16X9 HD broadcasts and the cable/satellite networks will be stuck having to artificially generate 1.33:1 SD versions of it on their own to keep customers with old equipment happy.

Maybe in another year, two or three, DirecTV and Dish Network are going to be competing against each other with 100, 200 or 250 channel packages of HD. What we know of as "AT250" will eventually be something like "AT250-HD." That's going to demand a huge amount of bandwidth, even with everything in MPEG-4. I don't see a bunch of MPEG-2 based SD channels being able to take up satellite bandwidth forever. I will be surprised if they're still around 5 years from now. Even if it takes swapping out millions of receivers to enable some automatic HD-to-SD conversion, companies like Dish will eventually be forced into doing something like that.

[James Long]

What we know of as "AT250" will eventually be something like "AT250-HD."The name change starts at the end of the month ---

AT100 (America's Top 100) is becoming Classic Bronze 100
AT200 (America's Top 100) is becoming Classic Silver 200
AT250 (America's Top 100) is becoming Classic Gold 250
AEP (America's "Everything" Package) is becoming Classic America's "Everything" Package

DISH is basically applying the HD package names to the SD packages, TurboHD Bronze, etc. for standalone HD and "Classic Bronze 100 with Bronze HD" for the combo package.

[rnbmusicfan]

8162 WYBE 35 Philadelphia is no longer available on DiSH Network. The info says tune a couple of other channels for PBS programming.

While WYBE is a NCE it is not a PBS primary. It provides much international content and should not have been dropped. It does remain on DIRECTV.

Perhaps it was a signal issue, or lack of must-carry on time for this cycle issue. I haven't been able to contact anyone at WYBE, as their phone system goes to a feedback voicemail. Low budget station.

WYBE's programming has gone downhill imo, and certain shows appear on LinkTV and FSTV anyways. They air Bollywood movies however on Saturdays, from the Asian Variety Show. With WBPH 60, where a lot of their programming is on CTN, and FamilyNet too, so no loss in not having that station.

I contacted someone WMGM 40(NBC), and the station has delivered the signal and will be on Dish via must-carry. Dish will carry it, as I got an email upon inquiring from Dish stating they'll carry it but apparently time delay is apparently based on satellite capacity issues. I'm wondering if the bandwith for WYBE could go to WMGM atleast temporarily.

DirecTV carries WYBE, WLVT and WMGM that Dish doesn't carry, and Dish carries WWSI that DirecTV doesn't carry. WWSI offers very little local programming, and is the Philadelphia Telemundo affiliate, but perhaps signal source is an issue and it may end up on DirecTV. I think they were on DirecTV until 2005? Sister station WNEU in Boston is carried on DirecTV's lineup up there.

Long time ago, I contacted WLVT 39 about Dish carriage. The engineer said something to the effect that Dish was giving a hard time based on programming duplication. Mainly that WLVT 39's schedule atleast in primetime is identical to WHYY 12. It was also expensive on WLVT's part to get a signal to Pennsauken and not worth the effort. And from my reading, even though they are licensed to diffferent states, the different state rule applies only to commercial stations. But WVPY is similar to WETA, and Dish carries WVPY, so maybe it depends on how much the station pushes for it. WLVT is on Fios TV throughout the Philadelphia DMA where Fios TV services.