Question about SL3 lnb

[VOLBEAT]

Recently discovered the SL3 lnb, and was curious as to how to determine whether or not I could use it, in the event I need a new lnb. I read that it eliminates the 110 and 119(hope that's correct), but not sure If I use those in my area. I'm 2 hours north of San Francisco......zip is 95482,if that helps. I may have a problem developing that is looking like a possible bad lnb, so I'd rather get this one if it's o.k. to use.Thanks in advance for any info!

[miketorse]

You do not need 110 and 119 in your area (San Fran SD locals are beamed on the 101 satellite).

[VOLBEAT]

O.k. thanks........so, I'm assuming the 110 and 119 are being used specifically for locals, but just in certain areas, yes? In other words, this is a permanent thing, at least in my area?
Also, If I ended up with one of these, would I have to change my setup in the receiver to 3 lnb?

[mark44]

be sure to distinguish between SWM or non-SWM LNB. Equipment will differ.
I just got the NEW SWM SL3 LNB and all equipment needed to be upgraded, not a problem, but, beware.

[BattleZone]

110 is only used for legacy HD channels, which you also get, in higher quality MPEG4, from 99 and 103. 119 also has some legacy HD channels, some local channels (Fresno's, for example), and some Spanish and Chinese channels. Since you likely don't need those, the SL3 LNB will work just as well as the SL5 for you. Yes, you'd need to re-run the sat setup if you switch.

[VOLBEAT]

110 is only used for legacy HD channels, which you also get, in higher quality MPEG4, from 99 and 103. 119 also has some legacy HD channels, some local channels (Fresno's, for example), and some Spanish and Chinese channels. Since you likely don't need those, the SL3 LNB will work just as well as the SL5 for you. Yes, you'd need to re-run the sat setup if you switch.

O.k., so any HD I get off the 110 and 119 right now is mirrored on the 99 and 103, correct? Just making sure.........and yes, don't watch Fresno locals, and don't speak Spanish or Chinese:D And so, I just choose 3 lnb in the setup when I re-run it? Thanks!

[clb4g9]

O.k., so any HD I get off the 110 and 119 right now is mirrored on the 99 and 103, correct? Just making sure.........and yes, don't watch Fresno locals, and don't speak Spanish or Chinese:D And so, I just choose 3 lnb in the setup when I re-run it? Thanks!

Yes, but make SURE you choose slimline-3, and NOT SWM.....if you choose oval 3-lnb you will get the wrong results, and if you choose SL3-SWM (unless you have an SWM system of course) you will also get the wrong results.

(Note that none of these things are a huge deal if you screw it up the first time, but it can be a pain to fix it later). If you do buy a new receiver at the same time you install the new LNB, you might also download a software update for the receiver before you swap out the LNB though, as some of the newer receivers like the D12 have not been coming from the factory with settings to accept the SL3-non-SWM dish and need a software download before they give you the option of choosing the SL3.

[VOLBEAT]

Yes, but make SURE you choose slimline-3, and NOT SWM.....if you choose oval 3-lnb you will get the wrong results, and if you choose SL3-SWM (unless you have an SWM system of course) you will also get the wrong results.

(Note that none of these things are a huge deal if you screw it up the first time, but it can be a pain to fix it later). If you do buy a new receiver at the same time you install the new LNB, you might also download a software update for the receiver before you swap out the LNB though, as some of the newer receivers like the D12 have not been coming from the factory with settings to accept the SL3-non-SWM dish and need a software download before they give you the option of choosing the SL3.

O.k. thanks........yes, I'm getting the standard SL3, not SWM, so I'll be careful to select the right one.

[Draconis]

Guess I can add this question to this thread, I am having a debate with some of my friends about the Slimline-3 dish and I am hoping that someone over here can provide some input.

The question is, can someone get ALL HD programming if they have a Slimline-3 dish or do they need the Slimline-5?

The argument revolves around someone telling one of my friends that the guide data is carried on transponders 27 and 32 on satellite 119 for the 103 channels. So if they have the 3 LNB Ka/Ku they do not get guide data for the HD channels. I do not think that is the case but would like verification.

[VOLBEAT]

Guess I can add this question to this thread, I am having a debate with some of my friends about the Slimline-3 dish and I am hoping that someone over here can provide some input.

The question is, can someone get ALL HD programming if they have a Slimline-3 dish or do they need the Slimline-5?

The argument revolves around someone telling one of my friends that the guide data is carried on transponders 27 and 32 on satellite 119 for the 103 channels. So if they have the 3 LNB Ka/Ku they do not get guide data for the HD channels. I do not think that is the case but would like verification.

Well, I know at least one experienced person has replied in this thread that did not mention that, so I'm betting that is false, but I really don't know. I'm sure someone will confirm.:)

[BattleZone]

Guess I can add this question to this thread, I am having a debate with some of my friends about the Slimline-3 dish and I am hoping that someone over here can provide some input.

The question is, can someone get ALL HD programming if they have a Slimline-3 dish or do they need the Slimline-5?

The argument revolves around someone telling one of my friends that the guide data is carried on transponders 27 and 32 on satellite 119 for the 103 channels. So if they have the 3 LNB Ka/Ku they do not get guide data for the HD channels. I do not think that is the case but would like verification.

The SL3 LNB has a modified internal multiswitch with a different stack plan, so that guide data always comes from 101. It is true that an SL5 LNB requires signal from 119 to get guide data whenever a channel on 103/110/119 is selected. SWM switches and the SL3 use 101 for guide data always.

So, the answer is YES, the SL3 can get you 100% of the HD offerings. You will be missing the legacy HD channels in the 70s and 80s, but a superior quality version of those same channels are already mirrored on 99 and 103 in MPEG4 at full resolution, so you aren't missing anything.

The lack of 110/119 means:

- No 119 standard-def locals, for the DMAs that get locals from 119
- No legacy HD channels
- No Chinese "Jade World" package
- About half of the Spanish/Latino channels would be missing (some come from 101).

In the future, Internationals may be mirrored on 110/119 in place of the legacy HD channels, but that is only speculation at this point.

[clb4g9]

The lack of 110/119 also means it's a BIT easier to align from what I have experienced, as someone who uses his receivers to align the dish. There is no more dithering with the SL3.

[knew001]

I had the SL3 installed in a recent dish relocate. It is true that when you reconfigure for the SL3 you lose the HD in the 70's and 80's. (They no longer show up in the guide). They are located in MPEG 4 further up in the guide. I have had no issues with guide data on one of my H20-100's but continue to have issues on the other H20-100. This requires a reset before the guide data will reappear but after a few days it disappears until another reset. We have had several snowstorms in our area and I have not lost the signal once. I am very happy with the SL3 so far.

[Tom Robertson]

Guess I can add this question to this thread, I am having a debate with some of my friends about the Slimline-3 dish and I am hoping that someone over here can provide some input.

The question is, can someone get ALL HD programming if they have a Slimline-3 dish or do they need the Slimline-5?

The argument revolves around someone telling one of my friends that the guide data is carried on transponders 27 and 32 on satellite 119 for the 103 channels. So if they have the 3 LNB Ka/Ku they do not get guide data for the HD channels. I do not think that is the case but would like verification.

IIP has it correct. If you use an SL5 without line of sight to 110/119, then you can lose guide data. BUT the SL3 is designed to solve that problem completely.

All you lose are the poorer HD MPEG2 versions (poorer because of bitrate constraints), not any actual HD channels.

Happy English Toffee Day!
Tom

[jsmuga]

If I replace my 5LNB with a 3LNB will I have to realign the dish? Also my zip is 18938 will I lose any locals? Which would I choose for the setup if I have 2 swm8's running parallel inside my house?

[bobnielsen]

If I replace my 5LNB with a 3LNB will I have to realign the dish? Also my zip is 18938 will I lose any locals? Which I would choose for the setup if I have 2 swm8's running parallel inside my house?

If you are careful switching the LNBs, realignment shouldn't be necessary. However, with a SWM, the 119 guide data isn't an issue, since it has an extra channel which is always used with 101 for that purpose so there may be no advantage to switching, even if LOS is a problem.

[jsmuga]

If you are careful switching the LNBs, realignment shouldn't be necessary. However, with a SWM, the 119 guide data isn't an issue, since it has an extra channel which is always used with 101 for that purpose so there may be no advantage to switching, even if LOS is a problem.

Thanks for the help. LOS on the 119 in the spring was the reason I was switching to SL3. I was worried this year about the guide data.

[R0am3r]

The SL3 LNB has a modified internal multiswitch with a different stack plan, so that guide data always comes from 101. It is true that an SL5 LNB requires signal from 119 to get guide data whenever a channel on 103/110/119 is selected. SWM switches and the SL3 use 101 for guide data always.


Oddly enough, I have found a problem with this configuration. I have the SL3 (without the SWM) wired to an HR22 and two H23s. The HR22 gets the guide data perfectly. But, both of my H23 receivers will lose guide data after a few days. The only fix that I could find was to configure the receiver to look for a SL5 and then delete the MPEG2 channels from my list. Obviously, I can't see these MPEG2 channels because they are on 110 or 119. It is a small task to remove the missing channels, but I have tried this several times (on both receivers) and the SL3 configuration will not work properly with the H23 receiver.

Please note - I have not tested the H23 boxes to see if the bug was fixed from the last software update pushed out this week.

[kenlani]

I'll be (hopefully) getting an SL3 installed tonight and will of course go out this weekend to realign to better reception numbers. What is the procedure for alignment? 101 then 103 then 99? Any help is as always greatly appreciated

[bobnielsen]

I'll be (hopefully) getting an SL3 installed tonight and will of course go out this weekend to realign to better reception numbers. What is the procedure for alignment? 101 then 103 then 99? Any help is as always greatly appreciated

Before adjusting anything, check the signal levels, particularly on 99(c) and 103(c) to see if you need to make changes. If you do, adjust s*l*o*w*l*y. Pointing at 101 is much broader than 99 and 103, so I would try to find a compromise between those two and not worry about 101 (you may require a slight tweak to the tilt setting, as well as azimuth and elevation).

[Draconis]

My thanks to both IIP and Tom Robertson for helping clear that up.

[jwroot]

I have a Slimeline dish with swm3 and a HR23-700 receiver. Had it setup to get all the sat and they are reading in the high 80's- mid 90's but I'm not getting locals and they are part of the package. I've tried with and without a splitter and have done the reset but still get the '771'.
Should I get a different lnb for this dish?

[doctor j]

I have a Slimeline dish with swm3 and a HR23-700 receiver. Had it setup to get all the sat and they are reading in the high 80's- mid 90's but I'm not getting locals and they are part of the package. I've tried with and without a splitter and have done the reset but still get the '771'.
Should I get a different lnb for this dish?

What DMA/zip code are you in??

Doctor j

[BennyGregg]

The lack of 110/119 also means it's a BIT easier to align from what I have experienced, as someone who uses his receivers to align the dish. There is no more dithering with the SL3.

You don't have to dither the 101 to get good 99 and 103 signals?