View Full Version : News & Pics from Team Summit!
Scott Greczkowski
05-05-03, 01:04 PM
Wow is all I can say!
Check out this page from our good friends at DishRetailer.COM
http://www.dishretailer.com/ts2003/
Lot's of information and photos from last week's Dish Network Team Summit in Atlanta!
Here you will see your first views of many new Dish Network technologies including the REAL "SuperDish" with 3 LNB's, the new 811 HDTV Receiver, the 211 which is another HD receiver for use on Mitsubishi HDTV's, a new receiver called the 111 which is a new basic model (note that it has no smart card, the smart card is built into the unit!), the 311 which is an upgrade of the 301 (again with built in smart card), the 322 which is the dual tuner version of the 301, and an updated look at the 921.
Thanks again to DishRetailer.COM for the photos and information.
Scott Greczkowski
05-05-03, 01:06 PM
I notice that the information from the show says the SuperDish will point to the 105 degree location....
http://www.dishretailer.com/ts2003/3/MVC-013S.JPG
Scott Greczkowski
05-05-03, 01:12 PM
Hmm could the new channel FINE LIVING be coming soon to Dish Network?
http://www.dishretailer.com/ts2003/5/MVC-007S.JPG
Big Bob
05-05-03, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Scott Greczkowski
Umm but I don't believe that there is anything at 105 yet.
Looks like quite a bit of leased space
http://www.dishretailer.com/ts2003/
"If your not familier with the 105 orbital slot, its a standard medium power KU satellite which is simmular to what Primestar used to use for their service before they where bought by Directv. From the information Charlie Ergen gave us at Team Summit, Echostar is leasing this satellite for a very long time."
"A. Medium Power KU FSS Satellite at 105 Degrees West Longitude licensed for all 32 Transponders."
Big Bob
05-05-03, 01:41 PM
Dang,
looks like the 522 will have one IR and one UHF remote.
Was really hoping for two UHFs
:(
Scott Greczkowski
05-05-03, 01:42 PM
Yup I just posted that in a separate thread.
My god when 121 is launch Dish Network will have almost doubled the amount of space they have up there in the sky. :)
Charlie did have an ace up his sleeve. :D
Randy_B
05-05-03, 01:46 PM
On the 921, What is DISHwire?
721 has 2 hours of pause? Since when?
7 day guide on all the plaques. What happened to the 9 day guide?
From the SuperDish plaque, Broadband in 2004? For what units? Only via (super) satellite or also cable modem/DSL compatible?
Jacob S
05-05-03, 02:02 PM
721 has always had 2 hours of pause, on each tuner! Thats a total of 4 hours, but 2 on each for a total of 4. Why not have a total of 4 on one if one wants it?
If they make it cable modem/DSL compatible then that would be great that people could use their existing modems or be able to buy a much cheaper one than the Starband modems I would think. The transmitter on the dish is still an expensive peice of hardware in itself.
Just as I had said in the past, Dish needed to diversify to offer competition and to stay in this thing, and now this is what it looks like what he is doing by offering broadband, locals to many markets, internationals, and many HD offerings in the future.
So will they be pointing at 105 instead in some cases and lease that satellite out even before the new one is launched in 3rd quarter 2004? 121 will be used because they are launching a satellite there.
Cyclone
05-05-03, 02:15 PM
Wow
Jacob S
05-05-03, 02:23 PM
What about SES Americom service that was going to be launched at 105.5? Are they still going to do this or is Dish just going to take over the satellite instead by leasing the whole thing? Or is SES going to just launch another one there and have a service of their own?
Mark Lamutt
05-05-03, 02:28 PM
921 does have component outputs according to those pictures - they are the right most RCA outputs labled Y, Pr, Pb.
I'm really excited to see Dishpro Plus splitters and diplexors - no more having to cascade multiple switches and drill more holes through the walls! Yay!
Jacob S
05-05-03, 02:31 PM
It looks like they may make it to where we can use our current lnbf's on the new dish which is important to those that have a lot of money in the twins and quads, and would help keep the price down as well. Since they are going to have the two tuner over one wire solution would we have to have new lnbf's for that (with the switch built in) or a combiner for the solution?
Thanks, Mark. I re-checked those pics myself after I posted and there they were! (Which is why that post is no longer there. :p )
Cyclone
05-05-03, 02:57 PM
http://www.dishretailer.com/ts2003/1/MVC-014S.JPG
In this picture of the 921PVR there are 4 F connector Inputs. 2x Satellite, 1 8VSB and 1 TV Ant/Cable. WTF is the TV/Ant input for? Analog TV? Heck, my 6000 already tunes in 8VSB and Analog with a single antenna feed.
I guess you can have your cable TV input along with OTA HDTV. ?
gpflepsen
05-05-03, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by Randy_B
On the 921, What is DISHwire?
It looks like a run of the mill Firewire connection.
Originally posted by gpflepsen
It looks like a run of the mill Firewire connection.
I hope these are compatible with the Mitsubishi Firewire HDTVs.
Scott Greczkowski
05-05-03, 04:00 PM
I know the 211 is being made especially for Mitsubishi HDTV's.
While it is a standard firewire port the ports will one be usuable by devices which are supported by the 921 software. This is why they are not calling it a Firewire port because most Firewire devices will not work with the 921 (at least at the release)
Originally posted by Jacob S
What about SES Americom service that was going to be launched at 105.5? Are they still going to do this or is Dish just going to take over the satellite instead by leasing the whole thing? Or is SES going to just launch another one there and have a service of their own?
EchoStar is leasing capacity on AMC-15 to be located at 105.0w. SES Americom does propose to have their Americom2home service on AMC-14 to be located at 105.5w.
Originally posted by Scott Greczkowski
I know the 211 is being made especially for Mitsubishi HDTV's.
While it is a standard firewire port the ports will one be usuable by devices which are supported by the 921 software. This is why they are not calling it a Firewire port because most Firewire devices will not work with the 921 (at least at the release)
But the 211 is not a dual sarellite tuner, OTA 8VSB receiver or PVR like the 921.
Jacob S
05-05-03, 05:00 PM
Will SES Americom use the same lnbf that will be used at 105 for Dish? If so then that could be used either for Dish or their service since that satellite would be so close. Wouldn't there be some issues with interference? Sounds like those that have not before had a multi-lnbf dish setup before like I have seen pictures of on here in the past will be wanting this pretty bad after all these new satellite services and launches we will have.
Has anybody noticed (yet) the apparent reduction in HD capacity of the 921 (200Gb down from 250Gb "rumored")? If the unit is delayed PAST August, I hope they re-think the capacity and give us as much as is practicable!
Jacob,
SES Americom hasn't received permission to launch a DBS satellite to 105.5, and they may never receive permission. They know that, so they haven't begun to construct the satellite for 105.5.
The AMC15 satellite scheduled for launch to 105 next year will replace the G-STAR 4 satellite now at that slot.
davhol,
Has anybody noticed (yet) the apparent reduction in HD capacity of the 921 (200Gb down from 250Gb "rumored")? If the unit is delayed PAST August, I hope they re-think the capacity and give us as much as is practicable!Yes, the 200Gb drive would seem to give more credence to the $799 price recently reported (rumored) for the 921. I would hope to pay $1000 or less for a 921 with 200Gb capacity--though I will pay more if I must. I also hope the hard drive will be upgradable (eventually), as I would really like more than 25 hours.
Also note they are being more conservative now, assuming the 200Gb report is correct (25hrs HDTV for 200Gb vs earlier reported 40hrs for 250Gb). Before, they had judged capacity based on the typical bit rates for HD movie channels; now they seem to be taking broadcast and/or higher bit rate HDTV channels like Hdnet into account.
Jacob S
05-05-03, 07:42 PM
How many standard definition hours would one get on a hard drive this size?
Jacob,
180 hours, according to the 921 info sheet (at above site).
Jacob S
05-05-03, 07:53 PM
Wow, thats a LOT of channels. 25 hours for HD is a lot better than 5 hours of standard tv when the dishplayer first started.
csschrot
05-05-03, 08:11 PM
I really don't care if they add a bigger drive or not. I just want the thing released so I can own one and start selling them. I have 5 people waiting to upgrade their receivers and won't do it until the 921 comes out.
Just a thought regarding the dish pro plus hardware.
If you are able to feed two tuners on one line and basically
split it out to two inputs would it also seem feasible that
you could run a single line from say a twin and use the
pro plus splitter to feed two 301, 311, 111 etc just as you
can use a splitter with cable or antenna to two tv's
Guest
Troi
P Smith
05-05-03, 11:11 PM
It's should works - because each DP LNBF provide "bandstacking" feed, ie full range of frequency ( channels). An IRD need only select any channel without sending any command to LNBF.
May be using more then one receiver will cause attenuation of signal, but two should works.
I think any good quality splitter ( 500 MHz...2.2 GHz ) will works here.
What's the functional limit on how far they can take this? Would it be possible for some future implementation of DishPro to support four tuners on a single cable? Is there enough bandwidth on RG-6 to support that?
A lot of homes (especially townhomes) are wired for cable television with just a single run of RG6 throughout the entire house. For these people, satellite television represents a lot of work, because it means that they may have to drill through multiple walls and/or floors to run more cables in order to support receivers for several televisions. Even if the installer is willing to do all this, some people just don't want lots of new holes made in their floors and walls.
However, if Dish could extend DishPro further, such that potential customers could simply connect the switch and dish outside, and then use up to three or four single-tuner receivers throughout their home, all using the existing cable line installed throughout their home, I think this would really help to draw in customers that might be hesitant to adopt satellite today.
Cyclone
05-06-03, 08:48 AM
This ability to use two tuners from a single feed is substantiative to me. This allows the 921 or 721 to be placed in a few rooms that I would not have bothered to put them before. This is great.
BobMurdoch
05-06-03, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Scott Greczkowski
Yup I just posted that in a separate thread.
My god when 121 is launch Dish Network will have almost doubled the amount of space they have up there in the sky. :)
Charlie did have an ace up his sleeve. :D
OK, so much for the folks that thought he was selling the company after the Justice Dept. took his D* away.......
On the rear shot of the 921, I see they have a bar coded label with the model number, manufacturing location, part content, etc. To me that's not something that would be appearing on a prototype or stick built unit. So are they really starting to build these things in a plant somewhere????
Yup,
Area 51 last I heard :)
Kryspy
Darkman
05-06-03, 10:56 AM
What a heck is Area 51? :)
Originally posted by Darkman
What a heck is Area 51? :)
It's the long rumored place where the government is keeping UFO's and tests new top secret stuff. Nobody in the government will admit to the place existing but if you try to get onto the base you're arrested.
On the rear shot of the 921, I see they have a bar coded label with the model number, manufacturing location, part content, etc. To me that's not something that would be appearing on a prototype or stick built unit. So are they really starting to build these things in a plant somewhere????There is also a "RCO" sticker on the unit. That could well be an abbreviation for "release candidate 0," as is typical in the software industry, which would imply that mass production was imminent.
JStanton
05-06-03, 11:14 AM
Area 51 is a parcel of land near Groom Lake, Nevada that has a US government installation on it. Very tight security around the perimeter.
Picture: https://www.terraserverstore.com/terrastore_main.asp
Some people think it's where they took the UFOs and aliens that crashed in Roswell, NM in the 50s:
http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Paranormal/UFOs/Area_51/?tc=1
More likely it's the US military's advanced aircraft testing ground:
http://www.nauticom.net/users/ata/aircraft.htm
Darkman
05-06-03, 11:19 AM
oh..OK...
Thanks for that clarification :)
BobMurdoch
05-06-03, 11:46 AM
That's the problem with the internet. It is much more difficult to detect light sarcasm or irony.....
HE WAS KIDDING FOLKS!
Darkman
05-06-03, 11:51 AM
of course he was kidding... I knew that ...
Just wasn't sure exactly what Area 51 stood for :)
Need to watch the movie Independence Day(ID4) to see what could possibly be there. :)
BobMurdoch
05-06-03, 12:52 PM
Winnebagos and Commander Data?
Tomsoundman
05-07-03, 09:39 AM
Back to the topic...
So which receiver is included in the $1,599 deal with the monitor?
Scott Greczkowski
05-07-03, 09:45 AM
From the people that I talked to who went to Team Summit they currently do not have a manufacturer for the monitors as of yet.
I expect it to be a long time to you see the $1499 deal available.
BobMurdoch
05-07-03, 09:52 AM
And when they do, you won't WANT those monitors. It will probably be Sampo or some knock off brand with REALLY iffy picture quality. Then again, with all of E*'s compression issues that may be intentional.......... (just kidding)
Tomsoundman
05-07-03, 09:55 AM
Sorry, I meant which Dish receiver is included in the deal or was that even mentioned in the ads?
P Smith
05-07-03, 10:39 AM
Ken_F, single cable should go to each receiver from separate switch's ouput, if the MDU installation feed more then one dish.
For multi dish setup need to use DP switche(s), that's will cover.
Jacob S
05-07-03, 12:09 PM
I think the new 811 receiver will be included it being the HDTV receiver.
They may choose to wait until the SuperDish and more HDTV is out before coming out with that package. It may even be until the end of next year in which is when the satellite will be launched to 105.
gpflepsen
05-07-03, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Jacob S
They may choose to wait until the SuperDish and more HDTV is out before coming out with that package. It may even be until the end of next year in which is when the satellite will be launched to 105.
Their IS a satellite at 105 NOW!
Jacob S
05-07-03, 12:42 PM
I know that there is a satellite at 105 now, I meant the new one they are going to launch 3rd quarter 2004. The one they have now has went beyond its life expectancy. They may be able to use it to add a few channels until the other one is up.
kelliot
05-15-03, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by Ken_F
Is there enough bandwidth on RG-6 to support that?
The problem shouldn't be the bandwidth of the cable, but the ability to downconvert multiple channels simultaneously.
Ken E,
So it's conceivable that at some point in the future, we could get a multiswitch that would be able to support four tuners on a single cable, to permit use of four receivers with standard equipment in a single house with one run of cable?
Jacob S
05-16-03, 05:43 PM
I would guess this would be their goal. It seems like they are getting closer and closer to resolving the problems they are currently having on having multiple receivers in the home, whether it be two receivers off one wire, or two tuner receivers, that they are going to come out with.
Out of curiosity did anyone notice that the team summit picture
of the DP44 wiring diagram shows 2 dual tuner receivers, a
single tuner receiver, and a legacy receiver hooked directly to
the switch with no legacy adapter. It could of been for demo
purposes or done in error but why show a legacy receiver. Does
anyone who went to the show know if they made the new Plus
switches or LNBs compatible with legacy equipment. Or if the
conversion or switching takes place in the switch for the receiver?
Troi
Guest
Guest,
The new Dish Pro Plus switches are said to integrate the legacy adapter. That's how they eliminate the need for the adapter for the 6000 from the Dish Pro Plus installation (and likely install of Superdish).
Ken,
Thanks for the info. I will assume that this applies to the Plus
Twins also. This will be a huge benefit. Unfortunatly I did not
attend the show this year. I work in retail (Dish, Directv, TV,
Hometheater) and used to be an installer. When customers
come in to purchase a new Twin or have bad SW21 switches
(I generally encourage moving from a 21 switch to a twin to
increase reliability and reduce parts and connections) I have
to explain why the replacement parts are not compatable with
their existing equipment due to the little to no availability
of legacy parts. This has also been a frustration for the installers
who dont have the proper replacement parts for the job.
Now the installers and I can confidently sell a new twin or switch
without confusion or headaches for the customers.
Thanks
Troi
P.S. One of these days I'll register. Thanks for
responding to my posts.
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