concern over the super "dish" tech coming and how to rig it

[ocnier]

I have some concern over the super dish technology. It looks from the pictures this will only be dish pro LNBs. This presents a real problem for me considering dish pro tech is incompatible with directv. I am presently using a directv eliptical dish with plain lnb's to pick up 101 110 and 119 (needless to say through the use of multiswitches, 18inch.com schematics and some creative engineering I have the best of both worlds). This solution has worked perfectly for me. I have a dish 501 pvr, but switched over to the directv tivo unit because I couldn't wait any longer for the 721 come out back in oct of 02 (dish's track record for product release is awful). I also recieved a HD directv reciever as a gift in december (I still considered the dish 6000, but it truly is a old substandard receiver in desperate need of a next gen upgrade). Still, I plan to fully switch back to dish as soon as my directv contract is up and the 921 comes out, however, I will retain my affiliation with directv so far as the sunday nfl ticket is concerned. My 501 is still active without full programming. From my point of view the two companies each have major achilles heels: dish has a lock down on nationwide coverage of upn and wb and gives more channels for the money, while directv has a deathgrip on prosports in particular football (which is the only pro sport I care about). Right now directv only transmits hd showtime on 110 which I don't want, so the sat-c business is a non issue for me. I also have it on good authority that directv WILL TRANSMIT HD FOOTBALL GAMES THIS FALL (hopefully it will be either a 119 or 101 bird other wise second antenna with sat-c will have to be used) as part of their sunday ticket. Since the super dish will pick 105 does anyone know of a way in future to rig it to pick 101 as well and not use dish pro tech. :confused: This would solve many issues for me. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to be disloyal to charlie, or abuse his system or equipment. I am simply trying to be completely happy with my tv programming and until he breaks the nfl/directv grip his picture perfect puzzle is still missing a huge piece (whether or not this is his fault is irrelevent, from a consumer standpoint he simple cannot get around it). Also from a cost standpoint in the long run since Charlie is proconsumer and doesn't ask for additional pvr fees like directv per month, going back to and staying with dish will save me a whole lot of money and makes good sense.

[Scott Greczkowski]

Best bet is to keep your DirecTV Plus Dish AND get a new SuperDish this way you get the best of both worlds. :)

[ocnier]

I hear ya, but man trying convince the wife to let me do that will like trying to climb Mt. Everest. Needless to say the ladies are particular about house asthetics, plus a one antenna solution makes better sense from a tunning stand point and upkeep I think. I just hope somebody ie independent company will recognize that their is a market for people like me and produce a product antenna to allow both. This would be a win/mostly win situation for both companies though E* would get more revenue yearly since the lionshare of monthly income would come form consumer package purchase.

[huzefa]

I got the same problem. I have both D* and E*. I'm most loyal to Dish but I can't live without Sunday Ticket and the DTivo. I'm using an elliptical D* dish as well. With this new 105 sat, I gotta figure out how to add a 4th lnb between the 101 and the 110. I think the dish is positioned to receive 105 right now, but I'm not sure. I also have a 61.5 dish for the intl channels. There's no way I'm putting up 3 dishes; so I need a way now to get 101, 105, 110 and 119 on the same dish. Any ideas anyone? Can we just attach a 4th lnb onto the side of the 'Superdish' to get 101?

[ocnier]

If I had to guess I think that the parabolas for the sat tuning on the antenna would be the same. What we nee is a lnb modified mount that fits in the 101 slot of the ellipse that would allow reception of both birds. It would probably have to be a centimeter wider, but it should be doable. (Channel master inc are you reading this...... hint hint...)

[huzefa]

Originally posted by ocnier
If I had to guess I think that the parabolas for the sat tuning on the antenna would be the same. What we nee is a lnb modified mount that fits in the 101 slot of the ellipse that would allow reception of both birds. It would probably have to be a centimeter wider, but it should be doable. (Channel master inc are you reading this...... hint hint...)

Channel master should add another expandable slot on the side for those of us who receiver 91 for Expressvu.

[Darkman]

well as long as we are on Expressvu subject now - Expressvu has a new (2nd) sat now at 82 as well... So...... hehe :)

[ocnier]

Dude, you can do that already. If you want to add express vu that's easy. All it takes is somezip ties and a basic lnb (total no brainer). Just check out http://www.techweenies.com/dss-1.shtml and scroll to the bottom picture. Problem solved....

[huzefa]

Originally posted by ocnier
Dude, you can do that already. If you want to add express vu that's easy. All it takes is somezip ties and a basic lnb (total no brainer). Just check out http://www.techweenies.com/dss-1.shtml and scroll to the bottom picture. Problem solved....

Yeah, but I meant getting 91 (and now 82) on the new superdish. How do we do that?

[rvd420]

Originally posted by huzefa


Yeah, but I meant getting 91 (and now 82) on the new superdish. How do we do that?

You can't
The 18x26 dish only can see about 30 deg .
119 to 82 is 37 deg.
The best soultion would be to use a super dish and a Dish500 for EVu

[HTguy]

This is what the guy who wants it all will have soon. Personally, I don't have a problem with it.

[Jacob S]

Will the Primestar lnbf's work on the SuperDish at the 105 or 121 slot on the end to pick them up? If not then what could be used to rig up a dish?

[ocnier]

In theory the parabolas are almost identical. A example from experience for me is bizarrely enough when I tune the dish equipment with a directv eliptical dish I peg 119 and get 118 out of 125 on 110 degree (the point to this is that directv equipment is better suited for dish signal than dish equipment... you do the math...). This is a real boon in a harsh storm needless to say. The problem with the primestar stuff is the LNB mount. YOU either need a strong knowledge of molding crafts or some real ingenuity in terms of afro-engineering to make it work. Whatever you can come up with please share. I know I would like to see some pics (because some of the best stuff comes from creativity and duct tape sometimes....).

[Jacob S]

The Primestar lnbf could be put on the Primestar dish itself and then another couple of lnbf's added to that with some type of adapter.

How about rigging it up like its shown on this page, having a reflector in front of the dish to decrease the size of the dish and pick up multiple orbital slots on one dish.

http://www.multilnbdish.com/Photo%20Gallery.htm

[ocnier]

Thanks Jacob, that page was very useful. I just hope that the cost of one of those type dish dishes isn't too prohibitive.

[RJS1111111]

Originally posted by ocnier
Thanks Jacob, that page was very useful. I just hope that the cost of one of those type dish dishes isn't too prohibitive.

Just click through as though you're going to purchase something,
and the prices are listed. You need reversed polarity switching
LNBFs, because there are two reflections instead of just one.
The prices seem reasonable, given the possibilities.

[Jacob S]

I think is great for those have many satellite services or an FTA receiver.