Another Satellite Position for Dish!

[TBarclay]

As if keeping up with 119-110-61.5-148 and now 105 and 121 weren't enough, the FCC today authorized E* to move Echostar 4 to the 157 degree position to provide 3 transponders of service. It also granted the 8 remaining transponders at 148 to E* which they've been using on a temporary authority. The details can be found here:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-03-1510A1.pdf

[Scott Greczkowski]

What the hell are they going to put at 157? I don't think many people will be able to see 157.

[TBarclay]

I figure it has to be something for Alaska and/or Hawaii

[sampatterson]

Maybe it is to announce the new 6 orbital location superduperspecial dish.

You must live at the top of the rocky mountains, of course, but you have a dish that can see 157, 121, 119, 110, 105, and 61.5

:lol:

[Chris Freeland]

Interesting, I wander what channels E* will place on those 3 TP's on 157. It also appears that E* owns all 32 TP's on 148 as well. Since 148 and 157 are only 9 degrees apart, a Dish 500 should be able to receive all 35 TP's from these slots. This means that the wing satellites in the west have 35 TP's combined compared to only 11 plus 6 leased from SA for a total of 17 on 61.5 in the East, what will E* use these extra TP's for in the West?

[Mark Lamutt]

Hey...I live close to the top of the Rockie Mountains...Can't wait for the super super super 6 slot dish! Woo Hoo! :D

[Darkman]

hehe - unreal! :) :) :)

[rtt2]

I bet it is to sell lease to Rainbow DBS (Cablevision). Don't they need nationwide coverage for compliance with the FCC? Right now they only cover the East for the most part at 61.5.

[Richard King]

It's about time they got service to American Samoa. ;)

[Darkman]

Originally posted by TBarclay
As if keeping up with 119-110-61.5-148 and now 105 and 121 weren't enough, the FCC today authorized E* to move Echostar 4 to the 157 degree position to provide 3 transponders of service. It also granted the 8 remaining transponders at 148 to E* which they've been using on a temporary authority. The details can be found here:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-03-1510A1.pdf

Which "8 remaining transponders" #'s are those at 148?
Does anyone know what numbers?

[P Smith]

http://www.lyngsat.com/148west.shtml

[TNGTony]

The numbers are 18, 20, 22, 24, 26, 28, 30 and 32.

See ya
Tony

[Darkman]

lol - maybe then 'em 24 "Test" ones there at 148 will become alive :)

[Jacob S]

Perhaps they could trade this slot for another one that is closer? They could also use it for more west coast locals or something. This would save some room on the SuperDish for other locals. They could also lease to Rainbow which would be good or perhaps have some type of arrangement with that and 61.5.

[P Smith]

Originally posted by TNGTony
The numbers are 18, 20, 22, 24, 26, 28, 30 and 32.

See ya
Tony

Kind of error - tpn#18 and #20 working - there are running 2x12 test channels.

[Mike123abc]

Dish runs a number of "Business" channels. They could use the 3 channels to run demos for dealers. There is a lot of use for transponders for specialized applications.

[P Smith]

At least DVB-S cards show real activity on these transponders.
If you Mike123abc just suggest something there, rather the tpn 18/20 really loaded.

[Chris Freeland]

Watch, their will be a poor E* sub out West who will need a SuperDish or two to receive 105/110/119/121, a Dish 500 for 148/157 and a Dish 300 for 61.5. :D

[rvd420]

Originally posted by Chris Freeland
Watch, their will be a poor E* sub out West who will need a SuperDish or two to receive 105/110/119/121, a Dish 500 for 148/157 and a Dish 300 for 61.5. :D

Can anyone say dish farm.

You know ther person might also need a Dish 500 for EVU :)

[Darkman]

rvd - i can say: "yo" :)

[chelsea]

What are the math calculations for the dish 500's tilt for
157 & 148 and what are the 3 transponders #'s on 157.

[P Smith]

I pretty sure the skew calculation will be included in future version of SW when the sat will be operational; that 3 transponders revealed in PDF document from first post here.

[Jacob S]

Could a person just use the same skew as they have on 110/119 and just change the elevation to pick up 148 and 157 (I know I wont be able to get them myself but just curious).

[RJS1111111]

Originally posted by Jacob S
Could a person just use the same skew as they have on 110/119 and just change the elevation to pick up 148 and 157 (I know I wont be able to get them myself but just curious).

Ummm, in a word, no. The skew is based on the
difference between your own longitude and an
"average" longitude between the two slots
separated by nine degrees in the arc. If your
longitude were smack dab in the middle (152.5
degrees; there are some islands near there;
e.g. it's not very far east of the Hawaiian islands),
then the skew would be ... 90 degrees? zero degrees?
Whatever horizontal is. Set it and forget it.

[Jacob S]

Oh ok, the skew follows the Clark belt.

[JohnH]

Originally posted by P Smith
At least DVB-S cards show real activity on these transponders.
If you Mike123abc just suggest something there, rather the tpn 18/20 really loaded.

Yeah, fooled you didn't they. They have the channels in the EPG stream. There is just one problem. They did not turn the power on for those transponders. No signal there. :D

[bryan27]

Originally posted by rtt2
I bet it is to sell lease to Rainbow DBS (Cablevision). Don't they need nationwide coverage for compliance with the FCC? Right now they only cover the East for the most part at 61.5.

No, they don't. Since R/L only has 61.5 they don't have to serve the entire country. Same with SA* they don't have to serve the entire country either. Some of the western slots have provisions that they must serve AK/HI. Service area is based on the slots and what you own.

[Mike123abc]

Did R/L DBS give up their 166 slot? I thought they had 11 frequencies way out west... If they are really serious about providing DBS service they should provide a western slot. They could then do LIL of at least the western side of the US.

The whole R/L DBS situation is quickly coming to a head. They now have 7 months to get the satellite launched and service started. They have not even built an uplink site... But, they could probably lease an existing one. It is almost like they have this project going out of control... They do not know what they are going to do with it, it is already a huge money sink so they cannot really afford to end it and write it off.

[Jacob S]

Why serve locals to the west coast if they cannot provide all of the core channels that they can provide to the east coast?

[rvd420]

Originally posted by Jacob S
Why serve locals to the west coast if they cannot provide all of the core channels that they can provide to the east coast?

I think when coverling locals out of a western slot that it would be assumed that core would be duplicated on a western slot.

But I think R/L gaveup their western slot.

[Jacob S]

Thats pretty bad that you would have to duplicate your core channels, I figured that is what was what someone was getting at. One could use the new compression schemes that they are going to do on this new satellite and compress some on top of that to fit the channels in. They could just serve the top markets as well. They would have to find ways to be competitive with Dish and DirecTv though.

Perhaps they could work a deal to use the locals from Dish/DirecTv but each uses a different data stream.