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wilbur_the_goose
02-01-09, 08:00 AM
Any guess if the Dolans will ever let DirecTV get MSG HD again?
Really stinks not being able to get this channel any more. I really miss the Sabres nd Rangers games in HD.
cnmurray8
02-01-09, 08:12 AM
I was wondering why the last couple of Devils games I watched the HD feed was blacked out. The strange thing is the other day I recorded the replay at midnight and the HD feed was on.
raoul5788
02-01-09, 08:20 AM
Any guess if the Dolans will ever let DirecTV get MSG HD again?
Really stinks not being able to get this channel any more. I really miss the Sabres nd Rangers games in HD.
I assume you mean for out of market/CI games since it is still on in the NY/CT dma.
bonscott87
02-01-09, 08:26 AM
MSG HD and MSG+ HD are doing just fine on DirecTV for those whom this is their RSN. The Dolan's have a contract dispute with the NHL and are withholding their HD feeds from Center Ice. It's an issue on all providers that carry Center Ice, not just DirecTV. But for those who get MSG as their RSN are unaffected.
MSG HD and MSG+ HD are doing just fine on DirecTV for those whom this is their RSN. The Dolan's have a contract dispute with the NHL and are withholding their HD feeds from Center Ice. It's an issue on all providers that carry Center Ice, not just DirecTV. But for those who get MSG as their RSN are unaffected.
The strange thing about the whole issue is, the dispute is between the Rangers and the NHL, but we can get the SD games, but not the HD ones. Usually it is all or nothing, not one of two.
I can't wait for this to be settled. I know that this issue is between the NHL and MSG, but I'm wondering if FiOS adding NHL CI has anything to do with this. Just a theory, but I think that Dolan probably sees FiOS as a big threat to Cablevision in the NYC area. He has refused to allow FiOS to carry any of the MSG HD RSN’s.
Now that FiOS added NHL CI this season, it’s probably hard to justify allowing other providers to carry MSG HD games on NHL CI, but not FiOS. So rather then give in to FiOS, they pulled it from all providers. The only thing that doesn't make sense is that D* and Time Warner are still allowed to carry MSG HD as local RSN's.
bonscott87
02-01-09, 12:07 PM
The only thing that doesn't make sense is that D* and Time Warner are still allowed to carry MSG HD as local RSN's.
Previously signed contract. If they just pulled the channel lawsuits would abound. Perhaps their contract for HD with the NHL has run out or something. Or figures the NHL won't bother suing but companies like DirecTV (w/ Liberty) and Time Warner have a lot deeper pockets and would certainly sue.
ampman337
02-01-09, 05:56 PM
Previously signed contract. If they just pulled the channel lawsuits would abound. Perhaps their contract for HD with the NHL has run out or something. Or figures the NHL won't bother suing but companies like DirecTV (w/ Liberty) and Time Warner have a lot deeper pockets and would certainly sue.
Time Warner is the least of Cablevisions worry's. They are not in direct competition with them, here in New York they give them all their channels.
It's Directv and Verizon Fios they want to screw over.
They are a true monopoly owning the system, the team and the channels.
They need to be broken up.
(Thanks for letting me vent!):mad:
RoyGBiv
02-02-09, 08:13 AM
I can't believe that it's 2009, when everything should be in HD by now, and I'm going to have to watch Adam Graves night in SD!
SMK
I think we all hope the NHL and MSG issue is ironed out out very soon! I emailed both last week asking that the issues to be resolved soon for the benefit of their fans. May not help at all, but it's all I can do.
Hopefully. if there is any news, Satelliteracer will alert us.
I notice in the guide for Friday night there are two HD feeds listed for Devils at Thrashers in the CI channels. I have noticed that there haven't been HD feeds listed in the CI channels for MSG games while this MSG HD nonsense has been going on so hopefully this is a good sign.
I notice in the guide for Friday night there are two HD feeds listed for Devils at Thrashers in the CI channels. I have noticed that there haven't been HD feeds listed in the CI channels for MSG games while this MSG HD nonsense has been going on so hopefully this is a good sign.I checked the D* schedule online for 2/6 and it shows that game in HD. On 2/7, it shows the Islanders and the Devils feed in HD as well. Link: DirecTV NHL Schedule (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageIF.jsp?assetId=1800012)
Lets hope the dispute is over!
I notice in the guide for Friday night there are two HD feeds listed for Devils at Thrashers in the CI channels. I have noticed that there haven't been HD feeds listed in the CI channels for MSG games while this MSG HD nonsense has been going on so hopefully this is a good sign.This is indeed a very good sign; let's hope it's accurate and holds! :)
BruinsHockey08
02-02-09, 03:12 PM
I checked the D* schedule online for 2/6 and it shows that game in HD. On 2/7, it shows the Islanders and the Devils feed in HD as well. Link: DirecTV NHL Schedule (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageIF.jsp?assetId=1800012)
Lets hope the dispute is over!
Still no Rangers or Sabres feeds in HD, the only teams worth watching. I hope this is settled soon, I actually look forward to having the option to watching the Rangers and Sabres, especially on Friday nights when no other games are that good
Still no Rangers or Sabres feeds in HD, the only teams worth watching. I hope this is settled soon, I actually look forward to having the option to watching the Rangers and Sabres, especially on Friday nights when no other games are that goodI'm hoping that we will get all the MSG HD feeds after 2/6. That is the first date that the guide shows any HD feed from MSG on NHL CI. As of today, there are no Rangers or Sabres home game on MSG that list any NHL CI channels after 2/6. So lets hope when they start adding the channels for 2/9 and beyond, the Rangers and Sabres games on NHL CI will show the MSG HD feed.
islesfan
02-03-09, 09:03 AM
Wow, I was wondering what had happened to the last couple of Isles games. I haven't seen the Isles in HD since before the All-Star break. That's the problem with having the owner of one team being the media outlet for three. I hate the Dolans and I always will!
webhype
02-03-09, 09:14 AM
I received the canned reply from the NHL regarding this issue that others have. Frankly it is an indicator of what a Mickey Mouse league the NHL is that they can't handle an issue like this. Besides my team being the worst in the league this year and finding out after I bought the CI package that the HNIC feed is on the NHL Network for free I definately won't be renewing the CI package next season. I'll do what I did last season, order the RSN package and DVR the repeat showing of the games (avoiding the score of the game), this way I'll have the flexibility of adding and removing the package when I want.:mad:
Are replays of games on MSG HD available to Sports Pack subscribers (and are they in HD, I know they weren't earlier this season)?
dodge boy
02-03-09, 06:55 PM
Any new HD for tomorrow? It's wed...
Are replays of games on MSG HD available to Sports Pack subscribers (and are they in HD, I know they weren't earlier this season)?
This is a good question. Since a few days ago when I noticed this problem with MSGHD not showing the Rangers games (in HD) I have been recording the replay either late at night or the next morning and it has been working for me. I also have the HD package and the sports package too so I don't know if these would be needed.
I'll do what I did last season, order the RSN package and DVR the repeat showing of the games (avoiding the score of the game), this way I'll have the flexibility of adding and removing the package when I want.:mad:
I'm not sure if this will work. I got D* halfway through last baseball season and already had the mlb.tv package so it wasn't worth it to buy another package. Anyway having the sports pack and the HD pack I tried to record the Mets games replay on 639 SNY the next morning and they were still blacked out.
Maybe I am "mis-remembering" or maybe NHL is diffrent blackout rules. we will see
cnmurray8
02-04-09, 06:09 AM
I have the sports pack and HD with NHL Center Ice. I have been able to record the Devils and Rangers game on the replay played late at night and get it in HD. However sometimes it will be on the HD channel but the replay will be in SD anyway.
TheRatPatrol
02-04-09, 06:38 AM
I wonder why this isn't affecting the NBA games?
dhhaines
02-04-09, 06:58 AM
I wonder why this isn't affecting the NBA games?
It's only a dispute between MSG and the NHL, no one else is involved so it only affects NHL CI.
I'm hoping that we will get all the MSG HD feeds after 2/6. That is the first date that the guide shows any HD feed from MSG on NHL CI. As of today, there are no Rangers or Sabres home game on MSG that list any NHL CI channels after 2/6. So lets hope when they start adding the channels for 2/9 and beyond, the Rangers and Sabres games on NHL CI will show the MSG HD feed.Ok, it was wishful thinking, because they added the schedule through 2/15 and still no Sabres or Rangers feeds in HD. :new_cussi:
Ok, it was wishful thinking, because they added the schedule through 2/15 and still no Sabres or Rangers feeds in HD. :new_cussi:
Face reality...no MSGHD for the rest of the season. They got our non refundable money so no loss to them. Until there is a reduction in subscription for next season because of this issue it doesn't hurt the NHL financially. The only thing it does is hurt our eyes watching the SD version.:glasses:
Face reality...no MSGHD for the rest of the season. They got our non refundable money so no loss to them. Until there is a reduction in subscription for next season because of this issue it doesn't hurt the NHL financially. The only thing it does is hurt our eyes watching the SD version.:glasses:
Don't give up hope, they might get this issue resolved sooner than you think. At least I hope they do.
CI Subscriber:kickbutt: NHL & MSG
DCSholtis
02-05-09, 10:28 AM
I'm not sure if this will work. I got D* halfway through last baseball season and already had the mlb.tv package so it wasn't worth it to buy another package. Anyway having the sports pack and the HD pack I tried to record the Mets games replay on 639 SNY the next morning and they were still blacked out.
Maybe I am "mis-remembering" or maybe NHL is diffrent blackout rules. we will see
Baseball is different. NHL replays are in the clear, baseball game replays were never and will never be in the clear I suspect.
bwaldron
02-05-09, 11:03 AM
Baseball is different. NHL replays are in the clear, baseball game replays were never and will never be in the clear I suspect.
MLB replays were in the clear long ago, IIRC. But they aren't now and will never be again, as you note. Heck, MLB has dictated that even shows containing old game footage are blacked out out-of-market, and most RSNs adhere to that policy.
DCSholtis
02-05-09, 11:51 AM
MLB replays were in the clear long ago, IIRC. But they aren't now and will never be again, as you note. Heck, MLB has dictated that even shows containing old game footage are blacked out out-of-market, and most RSNs adhere to that policy.
Oh yeah I remember when they were in the clear. Back in the early days of EI wasn't it if I remember correctly. BBB time (Back Before Bud). :D
Oh yeah I remember when they were in the clear. Back in the early days of EI wasn't it if I remember correctly. BBB time (Back Before Bud). :D
Those BUD days were great, you could watch many games via backhaul feeds. Between the innings was the best part of the game. :eek2:
Did anyone else notice dual feeds for the next few NJ Devils games on NHL CI?? MSG+ does their games, so this may be a good sign. At least one game of dual HD feeds of an Islanders game, too, coming up. No HD dual feeds of Rangers games though. That stinks!
C'mon MSG and NHL! Get this issue addressed and get MSG HD back on NHL CI.
DCSholtis
02-05-09, 02:18 PM
Those BUD days were great, you could watch many games via backhaul feeds. Between the innings was the best part of the game. :eek2:
Never had a BUD but early EI on D* was the same thing, OTA games were frequently backhauled.
bwaldron
02-05-09, 02:31 PM
Those BUD days were great, you could watch many games via backhaul feeds. Between the innings was the best part of the game.
Yes, I miss my days of commercial-free sports viewing on the big dish.
On the other hand, trying to flip between games on opposite ends of the satellite arc wasn't fun:)
paakoridge
02-05-09, 03:02 PM
I spoke with Gary Bettman during the NHL Live show today, and his reply to my question about the sudden absence of MSG HD feeds to CI was that he was unaware that there was an issue!
I find that surprising and possibly evasive, but perhaps he will at least ask some questions. Perhaps there is still some hope that this will get resolved before the playoffs. :confused:
bwaldron
02-05-09, 03:03 PM
I find that surprising and possibly evasive
Unfortunately, I don't.
But yeah, hopefully something will get done.
I spoke with Gary Bettman during the NHL Live show today, and his reply to my question about the sudden absence of MSG HD feeds to CI was that he was unaware that there was an issue!
I find that surprising and possibly evasive, but perhaps he will at least ask some questions. Perhaps there is still some hope that this will get resolved before the playoffs. :confused:
Were you the first caller that asked about that or the second? Gary definitely sounded like he didn't know about the issue (which is sort of interesting, you would think if the Dolans were trying to go to war with the NHL, Bettman would kow about it).
He sounded like he was paying more attention to the second call.
paakoridge
02-05-09, 06:43 PM
Were you the first caller that asked about that or the second? Gary definitely sounded like he didn't know about the issue (which is sort of interesting, you would think if the Dolans were trying to go to war with the NHL, Bettman would kow about it).
He sounded like he was paying more attention to the second call.
I was the second one to ask (we were initially discussing both of us being Cornell graduates), and I referenced that a caller from Cincinnati had briefly mentioned the topic.
In any event, there was not a satisfactory conclusion to the conversation, such as a promise to look into the issue, although he might. As you suggest, he's certainly aware of any pissing match with Dolan.
bbq-allstar
02-06-09, 12:32 AM
Did anyone else notice dual feeds for the next few NJ Devils games on NHL CI?? MSG+ does their games, so this may be a good sign. At least one game of dual HD feeds of an Islanders game, too, coming up. No HD dual feeds of Rangers games though. That stinks!
C'mon MSG and NHL! Get this issue addressed and get MSG HD back on NHL CI.
Yep... maybe I'll finally get to see a Kings game in HD!!! WoooHooo!!!
Sat 4PM PST Ch765-1 MSG feed of Devils vs Kings
TheRatPatrol
02-06-09, 06:22 AM
Yep... maybe I'll finally get to see a Kings game in HD!!! WoooHooo!!!
Sat 4PM PST Ch765-1 MSG feed of Devils vs Kings
We will find out tonight whether or not we'll get the HD feed when the Devils play the Thrashers. I wonder if the Devils told MSG to keep their HD feeds on CI?
TheRatPatrol
02-06-09, 06:34 AM
Someone over at SatelliteGuys posted this. Very interesting.
This was an interesting e-mail I got this morning:
"Thank you for your email. In regards to your question, at this time MSG is not making the MSG HD feed available for DirecTV and the NHL's other partners to include in NHL Center Ice. We regret the inconvenience.
There is no new agreement that was made to stop the usage of HD feeds; however, there was never a deal that allowed any of our Center Ice proivders to take the HD feeds in the first place. DirecTV was taking the HD feed without any rights to do so.
Thanks,
NHL Center Ice "
islesfan
02-06-09, 10:07 AM
OK, that's a scary one. Hopefully it is the usual uninformed response you get from D*.
The response was from the NHL, according to the signature. So, is D* now in trouble for showing HD feeds of NHL CI games? They've been doing so since last year; if this was not permitted, why hasn't the NHL done something about it?
I find it rather odd, from the postings above, that Bettman isn't aware of any MSG HD vs. NHL issue. Is he playing dumb or simply sadly misinformed? The two sides gotta come together for an agreement soon.
I saw the Islanders HD feed last night was removed from the Guide, although it was there earlier. Should be interesting to see if D* still shows the Devils HD feeds that are in the guide this weekend or not.
I need my MSG HD.
hunter65
02-06-09, 04:41 PM
Was the Buffalo/Leafs game in HD on MSG Buffalo last night for out of market subs on NHL CI?
Devils game is presented in HD 2nite but the Sabres game is blacked out.
:):(
TheRatPatrol
02-06-09, 06:18 PM
Devils game is presented in HD 2nite but the Sabres game is blacked out.
:):(
I wonder if the Devils asked MSG to lift the ban?
GlennDio
02-06-09, 07:20 PM
I wonder if the Devils asked MSG to lift the ban?
my guess is it is a Mistake ... let's hope they continue making them ;)
TheRatPatrol
02-06-09, 07:27 PM
my guess is it is a Mistake ... let's hope they continue making them ;)
Well looking at the guide over the next few days it looks like theres dual HD feeds for both the Devils and the Islanders games, so I wonder if those teams had something to do with it or got things resolved? Still no dual HD feeds for the Rangers or Sabres yet.
Glad I found this thread was wondering WHY I was blacked out for Sabres/Montreal Game. Would think Mont feed could be provided in HD ( I can listen via XM for sabres home broadcasts )
No the Leafs game was on NHL Net so sabres feed blacked out
BuffaloDenny
02-06-09, 07:34 PM
Was the Buffalo/Leafs game in HD on MSG Buffalo last night for out of market subs on NHL CI?
No:mad: Probably because NHL Network carried it. Neither is tonight's game against the Habs.:mad:
No:mad: Probably because NHL Network carried it. Neither is tonight's game against the Habs.:mad:
Sucks at least the SD feed isnt too grainy. I know its a dispute from owners of MSG and DTV but these disputes are getting old. When these cable owners are involved to me thats just sour grapes:mad::mad:
Called Larry Quinn's office this afternoon - let one of the secreterys know about the lack of an HD listing for center ice - also told her about the problem with MSG and the NHL - by the way the Sabres own the feed - they pay MSG to transmit it - will call again on Monday to see if any answer as to why the problem was not corrected.
Called Larry Quinn's office this afternoon - let one of the secreterys know about the lack of an HD listing for center ice - also told her about the problem with MSG and the NHL - by the way the Sabres own the feed - they pay MSG to transmit it - will call again on Monday to see if any answer as to why the problem was not corrected.
please post here results, This is terrible to not get the games in HD
BuffaloDenny
02-06-09, 08:51 PM
Can't wait to see the response I get from D* regarding the email I sent them. I'm expecting to be amused.
This totally sucks. If we don't get the MSG HD games for the rest of the season, there should be some type of refund. I know I would not have and will not get CI next season if I can't get the Sabres games in HD.
wilbur_the_goose
02-07-09, 07:34 AM
What really stinks is that the Sabres are one of the hottest teams in the NHL right now.
Those Dolans are really special, aren't they?
What IS the dispute they're having with the NHL anyway?
What really stinks is that the Sabres are one of the hottest teams in the NHL right now.
Those Dolans are really special, aren't they?
What IS the dispute they're having with the NHL anyway?
My guess is the dispute is with DTV not the NHL
wilbur_the_goose
02-07-09, 05:53 PM
spidey - Nope - MSG HD is off ALL NHL Center Ice offerings, regardless of provider.
GlennDio
02-07-09, 06:18 PM
spidey - Nope - MSG HD is off ALL NHL Center Ice offerings, regardless of provider.
But wasn't D* the only one that had the MSG HD feeds?
spidey - Nope - MSG HD is off ALL NHL Center Ice offerings, regardless of provider.The Devils and Islanders do have MSG HD feeds on NHL CI now, I watched them last night. Which makes me more upset, because I don't understand why we can't get the Sabres HD feed.:flaiming
paakoridge
02-10-09, 09:45 AM
Has anyone heard any new information on the nature of the dispute or resolution timing?
E-mails to CI and MSG go unanswered, and the DirecTV guide shows no MSG feeds in HD for any of the 4 teams affected. :mad:
Jersey Girl
02-10-09, 11:01 AM
My guess is the dispute is with DTV not the NHL
Dolan's dispute is with the NHL, not DirecTV. People are assuming it has something to do with the dispute the NHL is having with the Rangers over their website.
Dish has never carried MSG HD of any kind, that's why only DirecTV is affected.
paakoridge
02-10-09, 12:08 PM
Dolan's dispute is with the NHL, not DirecTV. People are assuming it has something to do with the dispute the NHL is having with the Rangers over their website.
Dish has never carried MSG HD of any kind, that's why only DirecTV is affected.
Yes, I understand that the dispute is with the NHL, however what is the actual nature of the dispute, since CI carried the MSG HD feeds from the beginning of the season until 21 Jan., and I assume that CI had the right to do so, thus DirecTV was able to carry those feeds? More importantly, is there any common ground that would suggest a resolution this season? Unfortunately, I have not seen any concrete information in this regard.
Was D* the only carrier that offered MSG HD feeds as part of their NHL CI packages? Of course, MSG HD is available in NY from some cable cos.
I want my MSG HD Rangers games! My email to the NHL was answered and I posted their response, which simply said MSG HD feeds were not available anymore, and of course didn't say why really. My emails to MSG have gone unanswered.
dhkinil
02-10-09, 03:33 PM
Dolan's dispute is with the NHL, not DirecTV. People are assuming it has something to do with the dispute the NHL is having with the Rangers over their website.
It is apparently website related, and I have no idea why the league would care about the Rangers site, or for that matter, any team's site. Seems to me that it is one anal retentive controlling twit arguing with another anal retentive controlling twit.
It is apparently website related, and I have no idea why the league would care about the Rangers site, or for that matter, any team's site. Seems to me that it is one anal retentive controlling twit arguing with another anal retentive controlling twit.
No matter what the issue is, the ones losing out are the fans. Turning off the MSG HD feed on NHL CI because of a dispute over who should control www.newyorkrangers.com is pretty lame.
dhkinil
02-10-09, 04:28 PM
No matter what the issue is, the ones losing out are the fans. Turning off the MSG HD feed on NHL CI because of a dispute over who should control www.newyorkrangers.com is pretty lame.
No, it would have to improve to make it to merely lame.
FYI, the NHL wanted a template and continuity w/ the team sites. The Rangers didn't they wanted complete control of their site. It went to lawsuit, the NHL won.
FYI, the NHL wanted a template and continuity w/ the team sites. The Rangers didn't they wanted complete control of their site. It went to lawsuit, the NHL won.
So again, the fans have to suffer, thank you Rangers Owners and Management for your concern for your fans. :nono2:
TheRatPatrol
02-10-09, 06:54 PM
FYI, the NHL wanted a template and continuity w/ the team sites. The Rangers didn't they wanted complete control of their site. It went to lawsuit, the NHL won.
So it sounds like the Rangers got p* and pulled the MSG HD feeds from CI in retaliation.
dhhaines
02-10-09, 06:55 PM
FYI, the NHL wanted a template and continuity w/ the team sites. The Rangers didn't they wanted complete control of their site. It went to lawsuit, the NHL won.
Well that is the way it's done with ALL other pro sports. After all they are franchises, not singular entities. The Rangers ownership needs to grow up and not run home with the ball (or in this case the puck) if the calls don't go their way.:nono2:
bwaldron
02-10-09, 08:26 PM
No, it would have to improve to make it to merely lame.
:lol:
Sorry forgot to add as far as I remember (that lawsuit was last summer if not summer 07) the Rangers not only wanted complete control of the site but all revenue generated by the site. I'm willing to bet it's a similar deal w/ the HD feeds. The Rangers make more money on local TV than almost any other team in the NHL so I bet the Rangers think or know Ranger telecasts are one of if not the most watched feeds on Center Ice and want more money for that reason. This is speculation but what else could it be?
dhkinil
02-11-09, 07:08 AM
Well that is the way it's done with ALL other pro sports. After all they are franchises, not singular entities. The Rangers ownership needs to grow up and not run home with the ball (or in this case the puck) if the calls don't go their way.:nono2:
I would guess that maybe five to eight teams carry the league to some extent. The Rangers, Habs, leafs, Wings and now the hawks draw very well. Some other teams do relatively well, but, for instance, I recall a few years ago that one of the TV rating services figured about 100 homes in metro NY were watching a Devils game on TV. They don't draw all that well in a new building (albeit in Newark) unless the Rangers are visiting. Atlanta's rink looks like a ghost town. There is a lot of speculation that the league is helping Phoenix meet payroll. If the Rangers are a big financial asset to the league, and they are, let them keep a few extra bucks from their website. With a salary cap, they can't outbid other teams for players anyway and besides it is not like they are getting great performance out of the guys making the big dollars.
If you look at the history of this forum you will note that one of the biggest issues was getting MSGHD in the first place. Some of that was for Buffalo fans, but the big push was for the Rangers. The league has to recognize that a lot of the value in Center Ice, which they certainly share, is based on displaced NY Rangers fans (like me) who want to watch them every night, even when they suck.
Why oh why did the Islanders have to go to MSG anyway. To me, the Rangers are the enemy. SNY would have been nice. At least we would be watching the games in HD. Even with all the losing the Islanders are doing now, it doesn't feel as bad when you have a great picture.
The Sabres game for Friday showed up on my guide for channel 638-1HD?
Anybody else?
What really stinks is that the Sabres are one of the hottest teams in the NHL right now.
Those Dolans are really special, aren't they?
What IS the dispute they're having with the NHL anyway?
BuffaloDenny
02-11-09, 11:25 AM
Well for Sabres fans, I took a look at the numbers. 28 games left, 15 of them at home would've definitely been on MSG HD. Out of the 13 road games, not too many look promising for HD. So we could get the occasional VS or NHLN game here or there, but if this lasts the rest of the season we're looking at over 1/3 of our schedule in SD. Wonder if I can get a 1/3 refund for my CI subscription?:nono2:
Wonder if I can get a 1/3 refund for my CI subscription?:nono2:
I am wishing for that as well, I bought this package presuming that all Devils & home Sabres games would be available on MSG HD. The Devils games came back last week but look like they will be gone again this week. I think this is unethical business practices on someone's part for changing the rules midseason and not allowing refunds. I hope DirecTV can bring these people together because I will not resubscribe to this package next year if this nonsense continues much longer and then DirecTV will be hurt even though this isn't their fault.
islesfan
02-11-09, 01:48 PM
The Devils and Islanders do have MSG HD feeds on NHL CI now, I watched them last night. Which makes me more upset, because I don't understand why we can't get the Sabres HD feed.:flaiming
We got the Isles v. Tampa game in HD, but then last night, the Isles v. Kings game was pulled during the day.
Dolans Suck!:mad:
bwaldron
02-11-09, 03:42 PM
Wonder if I can get a 1/3 refund for my CI subscription?:nono2:
I know I'd be very upset if NESN-HD games disappeared. But DirecTV doesn't promise particular sources/teams for HD games, so I doubt it. But hey, take a shot. :)
The Sabres game for Friday showed up on my guide for channel 638-1HD? Anybody else?Unfortunately, only subscribers in the Buffalo area will be able to watch 638-1 in HD. They listed 638-1 for a game last week and when I tried to watch it, it was blacked out.
No Devils HD 2nite, only the SD Islander feed... :(
Glad though that the D DVR is intuitive enough to find the right channel available!
apferrando
02-11-09, 05:45 PM
Unfortunately, only subscribers in the Buffalo area will be able to watch 638-1 in HD. They listed 638-1 for a game last week and when I tried to watch it, it was blacked out.
638-1 is MIA tonight too.... unless they've neglected to flip the switch so to speak because of it being on NHL Network HD, which I can't see because it's blacked out here... hahaha..
Edit: no sooner than I post this it pops up there when I switch back, just no sound...
webhype
02-11-09, 05:48 PM
CI is gone next year, I'm not dealing with the NHL not being able to get their act together with this package. I don't necessarily blame Directv but again I'll just subscribe to the RSN package next year and record the repeats like I did last season. If my team is having another pathetic season I can bail mid season on the RSNs, cheaper also.
BuffaloDenny
02-11-09, 09:07 PM
CI is gone next year, I'm not dealing with the NHL not being able to get their act together with this package. I don't necessarily blame Directv but again I'll just subscribe to the RSN package next year and record the repeats like I did last season. If my team is having another pathetic season I can bail mid season on the RSNs, cheaper also.
As a long time NHL CI subscriber, I can say I've had it. We went through the HD growing pains last year. What they (and I don't necessarily mean D*) did to us mid-season this year is unacceptable. I will speak with my wallet. Never thought I'd say this, but I'm willing to walk. Once you give us HD, don't expect us to just take this SD crap. No matter the provider, I will no longer pay to watch my team in SD. It's 2009.
We waited quite awhile into the season last year for MSG Sabres games to come on board, and once they did (with lots of bugs still being worked out) we had every reason to expect that to be made available this entire season. It always seems to be one thing or another. For the carpet to be pulled out from under us the way it was this year, enough is enough, at least for me.
dhkinil
02-12-09, 06:19 AM
Perhaps the Dolans and the NHL might bet a better feel for their importance (except for the very few, very rabid fans) if they were to note that the NY Times did not send a reporter to the game at MSG last night. The online story is from AP. Most home games are covered by Lynn Zinser, road games are no longer covered. This is still better than the Isles and Devils, who get no coverage from the Times.
As a long time NHL CI subscriber, I can say I've had it. We went through the HD growing pains last year. What they (and I don't necessarily mean D*) did to us mid-season this year is unacceptable. I will speak with my wallet. Never thought I'd say this, but I'm willing to walk. Once you give us HD, don't expect us to just take this SD crap. No matter the provider, I will no longer pay to watch my team in SD. It's 2009.
We waited quite awhile into the season last year for MSG Sabres games to come on board, and once they did (with lots of bugs still being worked out) we had every reason to expect that to be made available this entire season. It always seems to be one thing or another. For the carpet to be pulled out from under us the way it was this year, enough is enough, at least for me.
You're not alone BuffaloDenny. I've been a NHLCI and NFLST sub since day one (the Bills don't get much coverage down here in Dallas), but this HD thing is frustrating. I've invested in building a media room specifically for sports viewing and more specifically for the Buffalo Teams. Frankly MSG SD on a 104" screen ain't cutting it. I'm not holding D* responsible for this as I'm happy with the quality / uptime of their other programming. However, if this doesn't get resolved NHLCI will not be on my account next season And with NFLST continuing to escalate every year - I may be at a point where that goes too. If that happens - my entire consideration set for choosing programming changes. I'm lucky to FIOS available in my area, so I may take a hard look at that.
islesfan
02-12-09, 09:02 AM
No Devils HD 2nite, only the SD Islander feed... :(
Glad though that the D DVR is intuitive enough to find the right channel available!
Actually both feeds were on, but only in SD.
Dolans Suck!
islesfan
02-12-09, 09:05 AM
You're not alone BuffaloDenny. I've been a NHLCI and NFLST sub since day one (the Bills don't get much coverage down here in Dallas), but this HD thing is frustrating. I've invested in building a media room specifically for sports viewing and more specifically for the Buffalo Teams. Frankly MSG SD on a 104" screen ain't cutting it. I'm not holding D* responsible for this as I'm happy with the quality / uptime of their other programming. However, if this doesn't get resolved NHLCI will not be on my account next season And with NFLST continuing to escalate every year - I may be at a point where that goes too. If that happens - my entire consideration set for choosing programming changes. I'm lucky to FIOS available in my area, so I may take a hard look at that.
I think they (the Dolans) know they've got us. Aside from a few fans, most NHL fans are the most loyal and rabid fans out there. As a result, even if we lose HD, I'll be back to watch my Isles lose again next year (with Tavares in the lineup) in SD. I can't go a year without hockey, and they know it.
Dolans Suck!
wilbur_the_goose
02-12-09, 09:06 AM
Let me get this right - The Dolans pulled MSG HD off all NHLCI services because of an issue with the Rangers' website?
Talk about a hissy fit!
dhkinil
02-12-09, 09:44 AM
Let me get this right - The Dolans pulled MSG HD off all NHLCI services because of an issue with the Rangers' website?
Talk about a hissy fit!
Yes, but the NHL going after Dolan over the Rangers website is an equally big hissy fit. They are all idiots.
Not sure if this is definitive, but this morning I recorded and watched (HR21-100) last night's Capitals-Rangers game replay on MSG-HD. I didn't try to watch the game live because it should have been blacked out in my area (game was on CSN-MA, which is my local RSN).
I sent an email to the New York Rangers (I know it means nothing..but it was a way to get the frustation off my chest.) Here is a portion of what I am sure got put in the deleted bin before even being read.
"...as many Ranger fans away from the New York area I rely on the NHL Center Ice television package to be able to view the majority of Rangers games.
As a long time subscriber to this package and the recent upgrade of an HD television I have finally been able to watch the game in perfect picture quality or at least I thought. Shortly after the new year MSG has no longer been available in HD with this package. The explanation is a dispute between MSG (NYR) and the NHL. Of course, I don't know the details of this matter but what I do know is the end result is the only one affected is the paying customer and ultimately the Ranger fans. My obligation as well as other fans was made by providing payment for this package with a certain product being provided which INCLUDED MSG in HD. The fact that part of this service has been removed mid season is nothing less than shameful.
Regardless of the issue between the two parties the end result should be that MSGHD should remain on NHLCI until the end of this year. At that time if there is a dispute (for whatever the reason) and the channel will no longer be available for the following season - fine. At least at that point as a paying customer and a fan I have a choice to pay for the product or not. At this point I purchased a product that both the NHL and MSG have not kept their commitment too and due to restriction is not refundable.
It's unfortunate that MSG, the Rangers and the NHL have sunk down to a level of the school kid taking his basketball and walking off the court so everyone standing there can no longer play.
Shame on me for supporting a sport and a team I thought had class.
Disappointed Ranger fan,..."
paakoridge
02-12-09, 03:36 PM
Not sure if this is definitive, but this morning I recorded and watched (HR21-100) last night's Capitals-Rangers game replay on MSG-HD. I didn't try to watch the game live because it should have been blacked out in my area (game was on CSN-MA, which is my local RSN).
That is the ironacy of this situation: they are withholding the HD feed for the live event, yet you can watch it as a replay, or even on Rangers Rewind, although all that is less satisfying than watching it live. :(
dhkinil
02-12-09, 03:54 PM
I sent an email to the New York Rangers (I know it means nothing..but it was a way to get the frustation off my chest.) Here is a portion of what I am sure got put in the deleted bin before even being read.
"...as many Ranger fans away from the New York area I rely on the NHL Center Ice television package to be able to view the majority of Rangers games.
As a long time subscriber to this package and the recent upgrade of an HD television I have finally been able to watch the game in perfect picture quality or at least I thought. Shortly after the new year MSG has no longer been available in HD with this package. The explanation is a dispute between MSG (NYR) and the NHL. Of course, I don't know the details of this matter but what I do know is the end result is the only one affected is the paying customer and ultimately the Ranger fans. My obligation as well as other fans was made by providing payment for this package with a certain product being provided which INCLUDED MSG in HD. The fact that part of this service has been removed mid season is nothing less than shameful.
Regardless of the issue between the two parties the end result should be that MSGHD should remain on NHLCI until the end of this year. At that time if there is a dispute (for whatever the reason) and the channel will no longer be available for the following season - fine. At least at that point as a paying customer and a fan I have a choice to pay for the product or not. At this point I purchased a product that both the NHL and MSG have not kept their commitment too and due to restriction is not refundable.
It's unfortunate that MSG, the Rangers and the NHL have sunk down to a level of the school kid taking his basketball and walking off the court so everyone standing there can no longer play.
Shame on me for supporting a sport and a team I thought had class.
Disappointed Ranger fan,..."
And if D* had cajones, they would look at the Rangers and NHL and say, "we have been getting a lot of complaints, next year the price is going down or we have a contract that says all HD all the time."
dhkinil
02-12-09, 04:15 PM
That is the ironacy of this situation: they are withholding the HD feed for the live event, yet you can watch it as a replay, or even on Rangers Rewind, although all that is less satisfying than watching it live. :(
can you do that if you do not live in NY and if so, how??? I almost never watch a game live, the wonder of DVR's........... so I would not care
can you do that if you do not live in NY and if so, how??? I almost never watch a game live, the wonder of DVR's........... so I would not care
Just get sportspack, but be warned as I think watching replays via sports pack is only possible for NHL games, other sports even black out the replays. Also, I had sports pack up until about a month ago and it seemed every replay I tried watching on MSG HD wasn't HD either. Also, nice email 311Fan! I like the Devils and will send them something similar.
I sent an email to the New York Rangers (I know it means nothing..but it was a way to get the frustation off my chest.) Here is a portion of what I am sure got put in the deleted bin before even being read.
"...as many Ranger fans away from the New York area I rely on the NHL Center Ice television package to be able to view the majority of Rangers games.
As a long time subscriber to this package and the recent upgrade of an HD television I have finally been able to watch the game in perfect picture quality or at least I thought. Shortly after the new year MSG has no longer been available in HD with this package. The explanation is a dispute between MSG (NYR) and the NHL. Of course, I don't know the details of this matter but what I do know is the end result is the only one affected is the paying customer and ultimately the Ranger fans. My obligation as well as other fans was made by providing payment for this package with a certain product being provided which INCLUDED MSG in HD. The fact that part of this service has been removed mid season is nothing less than shameful.
Regardless of the issue between the two parties the end result should be that MSGHD should remain on NHLCI until the end of this year. At that time if there is a dispute (for whatever the reason) and the channel will no longer be available for the following season - fine. At least at that point as a paying customer and a fan I have a choice to pay for the product or not. At this point I purchased a product that both the NHL and MSG have not kept their commitment too and due to restriction is not refundable.
It's unfortunate that MSG, the Rangers and the NHL have sunk down to a level of the school kid taking his basketball and walking off the court so everyone standing there can no longer play.
Shame on me for supporting a sport and a team I thought had class.
Disappointed Ranger fan,..."
Nice letter, but I'd be surprised if anyone responds. I agree 100% with your thoughts in the email.
paakoridge
02-12-09, 07:41 PM
can you do that if you do not live in NY and if so, how??? I almost never watch a game live, the wonder of DVR's........... so I would not care
Yes, if you also subscribe to the Sportspack with the RSN's, they usually don't black out MSG for replays.
islesfan
02-13-09, 09:09 AM
So far, the Isles @ Flyers game is showing up with a SD and HD feed for tomorrow morning. Since Comcrap is just as bad as the Dolans, I know it is not a Comcrap Philly feed, so for the moment the MSG HD feed is in the guide. I fully anticipate a nasty surprise by gametime tomorrow though.
Dolans Suck!
dhkinil
02-13-09, 09:13 AM
So far, the Isles @ Flyers game is showing up with a SD and HD feed for tomorrow morning. Since Comcrap is just as bad as the Dolans, I know it is not a Comcrap Philly feed, so for the moment the MSG HD feed is in the guide. I fully anticipate a nasty surprise by gametime tomorrow though.
Dolans Suck!
Yes, and at one point the online guide showed the Isles Rangers game next week in HD, but not anymore as of last night.
So far, the Isles @ Flyers game is showing up with a SD and HD feed for tomorrow morning. Since Comcrap is just as bad as the Dolans, I know it is not a Comcrap Philly feed, so for the moment the MSG HD feed is in the guide. I fully anticipate a nasty surprise by gametime tomorrow though.
Dolans Suck!
Guide also shows Sharks/Devils Sunday afternoon as being in HD and it would have to be MSG HD since the Sharks channel isn't televising HD for that game. I hope it's true but it seems strange they would have that one and not tonight's Bruins/Devils game from MSG HD. I emailed the Devils about this issue last night and am sure they will have the whole thing cleared up by the end of the day :D
islesfan
02-13-09, 10:48 AM
I have emailed the Islanders about this, not that it will do much good. They'll pay attention, but they don't really have any power to change this. Maybe they'll complain to the league? Then Gary Bettman can do nothing about it instead.
Dolans Suck!
Yes, if you also subscribe to the Sportspack with the RSN's, they usually don't black out MSG for replays.
OK, I didn't think it was definitive, but I was hoping.
I have a question for satracer or whoever knows more about how the out of market feed process works. Who owns the rights to out of market telecasts anyway? I always thought it was the NHL and that is why the CI package exists. This would explain why they could use feeds like CSN Philadelphia in the Center Ice package as long as they black it out to the local market. Does D* actually pay each channel for their out of market telecast rights so OTA stations, Rogers Sportsnet, CSN Philly, etc. all get fees for having their feeds used on Center Ice? I guess this would explain why the NHL uses CSN Philadelphia and OTA channels as little as possible. It seems kind of crazy to me though as you would think these kind of disputes would happen a lot more often if the NHL had to negotiate separately with each station to include it in the package.
BuffaloDenny
02-13-09, 05:41 PM
Cool, no Sabres in HD again tonight. Looks like this could very well continue through the rest of the season.
TheRatPatrol
02-13-09, 05:54 PM
Yes it does.
If the players really cared about the fans they would boycott and not play any games until the ban of MSG on CI was lifted. But all they care about is money.
RoyGBiv
02-13-09, 06:02 PM
It's not what I prefer being a Rangers fan, but I've started recording the other team's feed if it's in HD. So tonight I'm recording the Panthers' feed. I can't believe I'm actually going to listen to Denis Potvin instead of Sam and Joe! If I thought that any announcers really provided any insight into the game any more (and weren't all just homers), I might feel differently, but at this time the picture is worth 1000 words not the announcers.
I still don't see how this in any way helps the Dolans in their war with the NHL. If I just stop watching the MSG feed, that benefits the Dolans??????
Beep, beep, beep beepbeep; beep, beep, beep, beepbeep; beep, beep, beep, beepbeep; BEEP BEEP BEEP: POTVIN SUCKS!
SMK
No Devils on MSG in HD 2nite either...
Im one of the lucky ones who still get msg hd games. I would be miserable without the sabres games in hd . It is bad enough they only broadcast home games in hd
It's not what I prefer being a Rangers fan, but I've started recording the other team's feed if it's in HD. So tonight I'm recording the Panthers' feed.
Beep, beep, beep beepbeep; beep, beep, beep, beepbeep; beep, beep, beep, beepbeep; BEEP BEEP BEEP: POTVIN SUCKS!
SMK
At least the Panthers let FSN give us the game in HD. Only a New York Team would do something like this to its fans.
What's wrong with Denny, been there a long time and adds a lot to the game. :lol:
islesfan
02-13-09, 07:23 PM
At least the Panthers let FSN give us the game in HD. Only a New York Team would do something like this to its fans.
What's wrong with Denny, been there a long time and adds a lot to the game. :lol:
The Ranger fans don't like him because of a big hit. They needed something to counter "1940" so they came up with "Potvin sucks."
islesfan
02-13-09, 07:25 PM
This is the email I sent to the Islanders and the reply:
Me: "As you may already know, the Dolans and MSG have pulled their high
definition feeds from NHL Center Ice. I pay $150 a season to watch my
beloved Islanders here in Nevada and I am very disappointed with the
childish behavior by the owners of the Rangers. Is there any pressure you
can bring to resolve this problem, at least in so far as it relates to the
Islanders?"
Reply: "We have heard from many fans through the years on this issue. We do our
best to lobby for better coverage, but alas, we are at the mercy of
Cablevision at this time.
Thanks for the support.
----- ------- (name redacted)
New York Islanders"
Looks like we're hosed. I've emailed Greg Logan at Newsday too. We'll see what comes of it.
Dolans Suck!
Im one of the lucky ones who still get msg hd games. I would be miserable without the sabres games in hd . It is bad enough they only broadcast home games in hd
Yup it sucks plus many of these games arent even covered on away teams network in HD. At least with that I could watch the HD away feed and listen to the Sabres broadcast on XM. Sunday night I get stuck with crappy canes feed talk about grainy
Yup it sucks plus many of these games arent even covered on away teams network in HD. At least with that I could watch the HD away feed and listen to the Sabres broadcast on XM. Sunday night I get stuck with crappy canes feed talk about grainyNot that its a whole lot better, but we should get the MSG SD feed, its listed in the guide. At least we don't have to try and sync up the MSG sound with the Hurricane feed. And then the next game with Toronto on Tuesday is on Versus, so we finally get an HD feed.
TheRatPatrol
02-14-09, 11:33 AM
Islanders at Flyers. Both games are on in HD. But we can't get either one. Its 2009. Its a shame that we have to deal with this when technology has come so far. I hope the NHL puts an end to this nonsense soon, very soon. :nono2:
STEVED21
02-14-09, 01:47 PM
The Ranger fans don't like him because of a big hit. They needed something to counter "1940" so they came up with "Potvin sucks."
Cheap hit on Neilsson in the 1979 playoffs( we won anyway). 30 years we don't forget.:D
Mike Al
02-14-09, 02:18 PM
Cheap hit on Neilsson in the 1979 playoffs( we won anyway). 30 years we don't forget.:D
Actually the hit was a clean hit. John Davidson said it many times. Unfortunately while the Rangers won the series in 6 games against the Islanders (I'll never forget Dennis Potvin sitting on the ice sulking while The Rangers celebrated at the Garden), Ulf's absence in the finals ultimately cost the Rangers the Cup in 79 against Montreal.
Mr. Dolan,
If you have noticed the performance of the New York Rangers has suffered since the removal of MSG HD on NHLCI. From my estimation the Rangers have gone 3-6-2 since the removal of MSG HD on NHLCI.
Unfortunately your behavior on this matter has forced me to place a curse on the team and the organization as a whole. The solution is simple. Return MSGHD to NHLCI and I will place the voodoo dolls back in the box.
Please do not take this request lightly. Your organization should be well aware of how long curses can take place. (54 years to be exact). As a long time Rangers fan placing the curse on the team has caused me great pain. However, I have done this in support of all the New York Rangers fans around the country. (Yes Mr. Dolan there is actually Rangers fans outside the New York metropolitan area).
Also, if you talk to Mr. Bettman and he is complaining about sharp lower back pain....well...he has been warned too.
Regards,
XXXXXXXXXXXX
TheRatPatrol
02-16-09, 08:24 AM
Mr. Dolan,
If you have noticed the performance of the New York Rangers has suffered since the removal of MSG HD on NHLCI. From my estimation the Rangers have gone 3-6-2 since the removal of MSG HD on NHLCI.
Unfortunately your behavior on this matter has forced me to place a curse on the team and the organization as a whole. The solution is simple. Return MSGHD to NHLCI and I will place the voodoo dolls back in the box.
Please do not take this request lightly. Your organization should be well aware of how long curses can take place. (54 years to be exact). As a long time Rangers fan placing the curse on the team has caused me great pain. However, I have done this in support of all the New York Rangers fans around the country. (Yes Mr. Dolan there is actually Rangers fans outside the New York metropolitan area).
Also, if you talk to Mr. Bettman and he is complaining about sharp lower back pain....well...he has been warned too.
Regards,
XXXXXXXXXXXX
:lol:
Jersey Girl
02-16-09, 09:15 AM
Cheap hit on Neilsson in the 1979 playoffs( we won anyway). 30 years we don't forget.:D
I was an infant then, but wasn't the cheap hit in the regular season, and Ulf Nilsson tried to come back for the playoffs? I'll have to call my older brothers, they may remember it, or better remember what my dad told us about it.
But we can all agree it was a dirty hit.
dhkinil
02-16-09, 09:21 AM
I was an infant then, but wasn't the cheap hit in the regular season, and Ulf Nilsson tried to come back for the playoffs? I'll have to call my older brothers, they may remember it, or better remember what my dad told us about it.
But we can all agree it was a dirty hit.
I am old enough to remember, although at the time I was in LA and could not watch all the games. Nonetheless, I think everyone agrees, including Ulf himself, that it was a really devastating, but clean hit.
paakoridge
02-16-09, 09:46 AM
I was an infant then, but wasn't the cheap hit in the regular season, and Ulf Nilsson tried to come back for the playoffs? I'll have to call my older brothers, they may remember it, or better remember what my dad told us about it.
But we can all agree it was a dirty hit.
From the Rangers website. I remember the game and it was a clean but very hard hit. Since the Rangers-Islanders rivalry was already heated, it became a cause celebre, and to this day 'Potvin Sucks' reverberates from the Garden faithful several times each game. :D
On Jan. 27, 1979, Nilsson`s season took a bad turn when he broke his ankle after being checked by Islanders defenseman Denis Potvin. The hit from Potvin sidelined Nilsson for many games, and he never seemed to recover fully from the broken ankle. As a result, he was unable to help the Rangers during their run to the 1979 Stanley Cup Finals
RoyGBiv
02-16-09, 09:48 AM
I was an infant then, but wasn't the cheap hit in the regular season, and Ulf Nilsson tried to come back for the playoffs? I'll have to call my older brothers, they may remember it, or better remember what my dad told us about it.
But we can all agree it was a dirty hit.
Yes, it was during the regular season, but as DHKINIL says, it was a clean, though vicious, hit. I also recall the there was some discussion about the garden ice (always a problem) being related in that Nilsson's skate was stuck in a rut at the time he was hit.
Having said that, I am always willing to join in with the chants when I'm at the Garden. Some days, like lately, it's the only enjoyable part of being there.
BTW, someone several years ago sent me VHS tapes of games 5 and 6 from that series. I've actually never watched them, but just yesterday I was copying them to DVDs. I didn't watch the games themselves yet, but just watched bits and pieces to make sure the recording was going OK. In one shot I saw Nilsson in street clothes in the Zamboni corridor. I also saw a few minutes of the celebration at the end of the series. Believe me, I have no fond memories of Denis Potvin, but I thought that Denis, rather than sulking sitting on the ice, was quite gracious in coming over and congratulating lots of players and staff even after the traditional handshake. It was also good to hear Bill Chadwick (the Big Whistle)'s voice again.
SMK
paakoridge
02-16-09, 10:17 AM
Yes, it was during the regular season, but as DHKINIL says, it was a clean, though vicious, hit. I also recall the there was some discussion about the garden ice (always a problem) being related in that Nilsson's skate was stuck in a rut at the time he was hit.
Having said that, I am always willing to join in with the chants when I'm at the Garden. Some days, like lately, it's the only enjoyable part of being there.
BTW, someone several years ago sent me VHS tapes of games 5 and 6 from that series. I've actually never watched them, but just yesterday I was copying them to DVDs. I didn't watch the games themselves yet, but just watched bits and pieces to make sure the recording was going OK. In one shot I saw Nilsson in street clothes in the Zamboni corridor. I also saw a few minutes of the celebration at the end of the series. Believe me, I have no fond memories of Denis Potvin, but I thought that Denis, rather than sulking sitting on the ice, was quite gracious in coming over and congratulating lots of players and staff even after the traditional handshake. It was also good to hear Bill Chadwick (the Big Whistle)'s voice again.
SMK
Aaah, the Big Whistle: 'Shoot the puck, Barry, shoot the puck!' :grin:
dhkinil
02-16-09, 10:21 AM
Aaah, the Big Whistle: 'Shoot the puck, Barry, shoot the puck!' :grin:
I thought it was shoot bubba shoot, I, too, remember the big whistle along with red light messina
I am old enough to remember, although at the time I was in LA and could not watch all the games. Nonetheless, I think everyone agrees, including Ulf himself, that it was a really devastating, but clean hit.
Clean or dirty hit it doesn't matter, it's history, we still like Denny as a broadcaster for the Panthers, as he adds a lot to the broadcast.
RoyGBiv
02-16-09, 11:49 AM
Aaah, the Big Whistle: 'Shoot the puck, Barry, shoot the puck!' :grin:
And we're still saying the same thing! Just fill in the blank:
"Shoot the puck, ............. Shoot the puck!"
BTW, We have Marv Albert to thank for these nicknames. Sal, "red light," Messina is still around occasionally doing a Rangers game on radio, I think. I believe the Big Whistle has gone to the big hockey rink in the sky.
SMK
dhkinil
02-16-09, 12:17 PM
And we're still saying the same thing! Just fill in the blank:
"Shoot the puck, ............. Shoot the puck!"
BTW, We have Marv Albert to thank for these nicknames. Sal, "red light," Messina is still around occasionally doing a Rangers game on radio, I think. I believe the Big Whistle has gone to the big hockey rink in the sky.
SMK
According to the NHLOA (I assume the NHL Officials Association) Bill is calling them in games where the Boomer and the Rocket are trying to score on the Gumper
Mr. Dolan,
If you have noticed the performance of the New York Rangers has suffered since the removal of MSG HD on NHLCI. From my estimation the Rangers have gone 3-6-2 since the removal of MSG HD on NHLCI.
Unfortunately your behavior on this matter has forced me to place a curse on the team and the organization as a whole. The solution is simple. Return MSGHD to NHLCI and I will place the voodoo dolls back in the box.
Please do not take this request lightly. Your organization should be well aware of how long curses can take place. (54 years to be exact). As a long time Rangers fan placing the curse on the team has caused me great pain. However, I have done this in support of all the New York Rangers fans around the country. (Yes Mr. Dolan there is actually Rangers fans outside the New York metropolitan area).
Also, if you talk to Mr. Bettman and he is complaining about sharp lower back pain....well...he has been warned too.
Regards,
XXXXXXXXXXXX
Excellent! I was thinking of the same coincidence yesterday.. losing MSG HD and a bad winless streak at the same time.
Mr. Dolan,
If you have noticed the performance of the New York Rangers has suffered since the removal of MSG HD on NHLCI. From my estimation the Rangers have gone 3-6-2 since the removal of MSG HD on NHLCI.
Unfortunately your behavior on this matter has forced me to place a curse on the team and the organization as a whole. The solution is simple. Return MSGHD to NHLCI and I will place the voodoo dolls back in the box.
Please do not take this request lightly. Your organization should be well aware of how long curses can take place. (54 years to be exact). As a long time Rangers fan placing the curse on the team has caused me great pain. However, I have done this in support of all the New York Rangers fans around the country. (Yes Mr. Dolan there is actually Rangers fans outside the New York metropolitan area).
Also, if you talk to Mr. Bettman and he is complaining about sharp lower back pain....well...he has been warned too.
Regards,
XXXXXXXXXXXX
Mr Dolan...its now 3-7-2 since the removal of MSGHD from NHLCI. If you are feeling like you have a slight fever its because I have voodoo doll in one hand and lighter in the other.
bosco10021
02-16-09, 10:52 PM
Don't make the hockey gods mad.....
Mike Al
02-17-09, 06:31 AM
Believe me, I have no fond memories of Denis Potvin, but I thought that Denis, rather than sulking sitting on the ice, was quite gracious in coming over and congratulating lots of players and staff even after the traditional handshake. It was also good to hear Bill Chadwick (the Big Whistle)'s voice again.
SMKWhile he was gracious in the handshake, the picture of Denny Potvin sitting on the ice, lets say depressed rather than sulking, prior to the handshake, has been shown on TV and in the Newspapers here in the NY area many, many times. BTW, the 1979 Isles/Rangers Game 6 was shown on MSG a few weeks ago on a marathon of MSG Vault (first time I had seen it other than the night of the game). Anyway, I too miss Jim Gordon (3 on 2 if they hurry) and the Big Whistle who as mentioned above got his Nickname from Marv Albert when they worked together on the radio side. FWIW, the fist nick name Marv gave out in the 60's was to Art (The Dart) Freedman the long time statistician for the Rangers and Knicks.
I learned most of my hockey from the Big Whistle!
STEVED21
02-17-09, 12:23 PM
Clean or dirty hit it doesn't matter, it's history, we still like Denny as a broadcaster for the Panthers, as he adds a lot to the broadcast.
Since I'm here in NY i can't see the Panthers broadcast when they're at the Garden. Does he ever react to the chant on the air? I'm sure you can here it in the background since we tend to do it more often during Florida games. I've looked up in the booth but really can't see him from where I sit.
STEVED21
02-17-09, 12:25 PM
While he was gracious in the handshake, the picture of Denny Potvin sitting on the ice, lets say depressed rather than sulking, prior to the handshake, has been shown on TV and in the Newspapers here in the NY area many, many times. BTW, the 1979 Isles/Rangers Game 6 was shown on MSG a few weeks ago on a marathon of MSG Vault (first time I had seen it other than the night of the game). Anyway, I too miss Jim Gordon (3 on 2 if they hurry) and the Big Whistle who as mentioned above got his Nickname from Marv Albert when they worked together on the radio side. FWIW, the fist nick name Marv gave out in the 60's was to Art (The Dart) Freedman the long time statistician for the Rangers and Knicks.
It was a great night. The Islanders sitting on the ice stunned. JD being mobbed by the team. Donna Summer's Last Dance on the PA. D**n we didn't show up for the finals.
Thanks to the intervention of the Devils, I was able to talk to John Tortora, Media VP at the NHL about an hour ago but unfortunately I have no good news to report. It is indeed a contract dispute between the NHL and MSG going on here and he said it was basically the same type of dispute that happened last season with Altitude HD games not being on CI for a while. He would not commit to any timetable for a resolution, not even for the playoffs. I guess in this case no news is bad news. I at least got to get my more general complaints about cameras being too zoomed in, Versus suckiness and closeups for no good reason off my chest. Looks like this may go on a while, I let him know there are a lot of unhappy fans out there. He did say he thought that within 2 years, every game will be in HD.
Since I'm here in NY i can't see the Panthers broadcast when they're at the Garden. Does he ever react to the chant on the air? I'm sure you can here it in the background since we tend to do it more often during Florida games. I've looked up in the booth but really can't see him from where I sit.
I don't recall ever hearing any chant or him say anything, to be honest. Will try to listen on the 26th game.
bwaldron
02-17-09, 01:13 PM
He did say he thought that within 2 years, every game will be in HD.
But will us out-of-market folks be able to see them by then? ;)
Thanks to the intervention of the Devils, I was able to talk to John Tortora, Media VP at the NHL about an hour ago but unfortunately I have no good news to report. It is indeed a contract dispute between the NHL and MSG going on here and he said it was basically the same type of dispute that happened last season with Altitude HD games not being on CI for a while. He would not commit to any timetable for a resolution, not even for the playoffs. I guess in this case no news is bad news. I at least got to get my more general complaints about cameras being too zoomed in, Versus suckiness and closeups for no good reason off my chest. Looks like this may go on a while, I let him know there are a lot of unhappy fans out there. He did say he thought that within 2 years, every game will be in HD.
I don't think your going to have to worry about missing PLAYOFF games of the Rangers on MSG.
Thanks to the intervention of the Devils, I was able to talk to John Tortora, Media VP at the NHL about an hour ago but unfortunately I have no good news to report. It is indeed a contract dispute between the NHL and MSG going on here and he said it was basically the same type of dispute that happened last season with Altitude HD games not being on CI for a while. He would not commit to any timetable for a resolution, not even for the playoffs. I guess in this case no news is bad news. I at least got to get my more general complaints about cameras being too zoomed in, Versus suckiness and closeups for no good reason off my chest. Looks like this may go on a while, I let him know there are a lot of unhappy fans out there. He did say he thought that within 2 years, every game will be in HD.
Just curious.. how did you happen to talk to someone from the NHL?
TheRatPatrol
02-17-09, 06:33 PM
Thanks to the intervention of the Devils, I was able to talk to John Tortora, Media VP at the NHL about an hour ago but unfortunately I have no good news to report. It is indeed a contract dispute between the NHL and MSG going on here and he said it was basically the same type of dispute that happened last season with Altitude HD games not being on CI for a while. He would not commit to any timetable for a resolution, not even for the playoffs. I guess in this case no news is bad news. I at least got to get my more general complaints about cameras being too zoomed in, Versus suckiness and closeups for no good reason off my chest. Looks like this may go on a while, I let him know there are a lot of unhappy fans out there. He did say he thought that within 2 years, every game will be in HD.
Thans for the info, hopefully something can be resolved and worked out.
Does anyone remember how long the Altitude dispute went on for?
2 years for every game to be in HD? There is no reason why every game isn't in HD right now. Every baseball and football game is in HD, why not hockey (and basketball)? Its 2009 already, lets get with it NHL!
dhhaines
02-17-09, 07:18 PM
Thans for the info, hopefully something can be resolved and worked out.
Does anyone remember how long the Altitude dispute went on for?
2 years for every game to be in HD? There is no reason why every game isn't in HD right now. Every baseball and football game is in HD, why not hockey (and basketball)? Its 2009 already, lets get with it NHL!
The better thing would be for them to, and every other sport for that matter, to get rid of the blackouts for people that pay for their premium packages.
Like you say.. "it's 2009 already" lets get rid of the antiquated blackout rules.
Like you say.. "it's 2009 already" lets get rid of the antiquated blackout rules.
I don't think we will ever see them go away. They are there to protect the local teams and local RSNs. If you live in Chicago and Chicago is playing LA, the Chicago team owners want you watching the Chicago broadcast, not the LA broadcast. Local LA ads are aimed at LA residents, and the advertisers do no make any sales from Chicago viewers.
wallybarthman
02-17-09, 09:19 PM
Blackout rules aren't ever going away in any sports - Football, Basketball, Baseball, or Hockey. After all, if they got rid of them they couldn't sell their out of market packages - and they make good money on these packages.
wallybarthman
02-17-09, 09:22 PM
Thans for the info, hopefully something can be resolved and worked out.
Does anyone remember how long the Altitude dispute went on for?
2 years for every game to be in HD? There is no reason why every game isn't in HD right now. Every baseball and football game is in HD, why not hockey (and basketball)? Its 2009 already, lets get with it NHL!
A lot of it for hockey comes down to regional sports networks stepping up to the 100% HD levels. I know in the case of my Sabres they were one of the first teams to go HD (thanks to their fancy new video boards a couple years back) but still only do home games in HD - all Sabres feeds for road games are only available in SD. That is strictly a function of their budget choices and has nothing to do with the NHL.
All the official NHL broadcasts (NHL Network, Versus, NBC) are all in HD now.
dhhaines
02-17-09, 09:43 PM
I don't think we will ever see them go away. They are there to protect the local teams and local RSNs. If you live in Chicago and Chicago is playing LA, the Chicago team owners want you watching the Chicago broadcast, not the LA broadcast. Local LA ads are aimed at LA residents, and the advertisers do no make any sales from Chicago viewers.
That's great if you can actually watch your RSN on your choice of carrier. Those of us in "Comcrap country" have no such luxury. Besides I haven't watched a commercial in over 8 years unless it was something really unusual that caught my eye. And I don't see why the people who pay for the packages should be blacked out, don't the stations get some sort of compensation from the packages?
dhhaines
02-17-09, 09:45 PM
Blackout rules aren't ever going away in any sports - Football, Basketball, Baseball, or Hockey. After all, if they got rid of them they couldn't sell their out of market packages - and they make good money on these packages.
I was talking about people who were paying for the packages NOT getting blacked out because they do pay for them. Wouldn't hurt the sale of these at all.
bwaldron
02-17-09, 09:46 PM
Every baseball and football game is in HD
Not all MLB games are produced in HD yet.
paakoridge
02-18-09, 07:51 AM
Well, get ready to watch another intense rivarly game between the Rangers and Islanders in brilliant.........SD! Damn! :mad:
Just curious.. how did you happen to talk to someone from the NHL?
I'd like to say it's all my powerful connections but it was all thanks to the Devils. I emailed them complaining about the situation and next thing I knew I got an email from the NHL guy wanting to talk to me about the situation. He said the Devils took the situation very seriously and forwarded my email to him since it was a league issue and out of their control. To sum up and quote Seinfeld, "DEVILS RULE!" Unfortunately it didn't sound like this would be resolved anytime soon.
islesfan
02-18-09, 09:21 AM
Well, get ready to watch another intense rivarly game between the Rangers and Islanders in brilliant.........SD! Damn! :mad:
I'd still rather watch the Isles v. Rangers in SD than the Sharks v. Bruins in HD! Hell, I'd listen on the radio if I had to. In fact, back when I lived in Queens, I didn't have SportsChannel on TW cable, so I actually had to listen to the games on the radio instead. In fact, in fact, back in the late 70's, we still didn't have cable in our neighborhood on Long Island, so I would listen to the games on the radio, and we had to drive about a mile away to get to a high enough hill to get the signal to listen to the games! Ah, the good old days...
Dolans Suck!
BuffaloDenny
02-18-09, 11:28 AM
I noticed in my guide that Saturday's Sabres/Rangers game is showing up on 2channels in the CI channel range (can't remember exact channels). I've seen the RSN HD channels show up before, only to be blacked out during this dispute, but this is the first I noticed the CI channel range assigned. Maybe a good sign? Why else would they have the 2 CI HD channels blocked off already?
Blackout rules aren't ever going away in any sports - Football, Basketball, Baseball, or Hockey. After all, if they got rid of them they couldn't sell their out of market packages - and they make good money on these packages.
I understand the purpose of sports blackouts, but if no local channel (local broadcast, RSN, etc.) is actually showing the game, the blackout should be lifted. The local channel should be given the 1st option. If they decline to show a game on their channel, and the customer is paying extra for the sports package, lift the darn blackout. Why is this so tough for these sports teams, sports leagues, and cable/sat cos to understand? We are the fans and the customers.
I noticed in my guide that Saturday's Sabres/Rangers game is showing up on 2channels in the CI channel range (can't remember exact channels). I've seen the RSN HD channels show up before, only to be blacked out during this dispute, but this is the first I noticed the CI channel range assigned. Maybe a good sign? Why else would they have the 2 CI HD channels blocked off already?
Don't get your hopes up too much, last Sunday they had Sharks v Devils HD up even at game time but of course it was black. Hoping against hope, I had set that to record and ended up missing the game entirely, well until the rerun later that night. I'd love to be wrong though...
I understand the purpose of sports blackouts, but if no local channel (local broadcast, RSN, etc.) is actually showing the game, the blackout should be lifted. The local channel should be given the 1st option. If they decline to show a game on their channel, and the customer is paying extra for the sports package, lift the darn blackout. Why is this so tough for these sports teams, sports leagues, and cable/sat cos to understand? We are the fans and the customers.
In this area, they have done that several times so far this year. I am in the Florida Panthers home area. There have been a few Panther games that FSN Florida hasn't covered, but I was still able to watch the game on the other teams channel.
Flyhigh
02-18-09, 12:30 PM
Don't get your hopes up too much, last Sunday they had Sharks v Devils HD up even at game time but of course it was black. Hoping against hope, I had set that to record and ended up missing the game entirely, well until the rerun later that night. I'd love to be wrong though...
Are you out of market or in NY/NJ? Was this the center ice channel you are talking about and if so what channel did they replay the game on? Luckily i was around and just watched the Sunday Devils vs Sharks game in SD when the HD feed was blank but I set my DVR to record last nights Devils/Panthers game on the HD Center Ice channel (774-1 I believe) and missed the game entirely. I wasn't aware that these games are replayed on any channels (other then MSG but only if you are in the local market)
bwaldron
02-18-09, 12:31 PM
In this area, they have done that several times so far this year. I am in the Florida Panthers home area. There have been a few Panther games that FSN Florida hasn't covered, but I was still able to watch the game on the other teams channel.
Yes, the NHL leaves this up to the teams, and all (or almost all) allow the out-of-market games in such cases.
Are you out of market or in NY/NJ? Was this the center ice channel you are talking about and if so what channel did they replay the game on? Luckily i was around and just watched the Sunday Devils vs Sharks game in SD when the HD feed was blank but I set my DVR to record last nights Devils/Panthers game on the HD Center Ice channel (774-1 I believe) and missed the game entirely. I wasn't aware that these games are replayed on any channels (other then MSG but only if you are in the local market)
I am out of market but got the sports pack to get replays and also to watch some soccer. Of course MSG is so completely lame that their replays are not HD.
I noticed in my guide that Saturday's Sabres/Rangers game is showing up on 2channels in the CI channel range (can't remember exact channels). I've seen the RSN HD channels show up before, only to be blacked out during this dispute, but this is the first I noticed the CI channel range assigned. Maybe a good sign? Why else would they have the 2 CI HD channels blocked off already?Yesterday, I was creating a post for that same game, scheduled on 2/21 and the channels in the D*online schedule changed. It was showing that it would be on both 776 and 776-1 in the D* online schedule and the DVR guide. After I finished the post and added a link to the schedule, I tested it. The schedule came up and the 776-1 was gone and it then showed it was on 777 only (SD channel). So I deleted my post.
I had both schedules open in my browser in seperate tabs and they were different. So they were changing it as I was creating the post. Yesterday the DVR guide still showed the game on 776-1 as "Rangers vs Sabres" in HD on 2/21. Today 776-1 shows "NHL CI in HD", no mention of the teams.
I just noticed that the Sabres/Flyers game for 2/19 is only listed on an 772 (SD). Although if you check the RSN, it shows 642 CSNHD is showing the game in HD. Are they blocking the Philly HD feed now?
wallybarthman
02-19-09, 06:54 AM
I just noticed that the Sabres/Flyers game for 2/19 is only listed on an 772 (SD). Although if you check the RSN, it shows 642 CSNHD is showing the game in HD. Are they blocking the Philly HD feed now?
No, that's another dispute between Comcast SportsNet Philly and the NHL. Comcast Sportsnet Philly refuses to allow it's broadcasts to be included in NHL Center Ice. I'm almost positive this is the case for NHL CI on Satellite. If you look at the schedule there is never a "Flyers feed" for a given game, there's always just one feed.
blackhawkzone
02-19-09, 07:55 AM
I just noticed that the Sabres/Flyers game for 2/19 is only listed on an 772 (SD). Although if you check the RSN, it shows 642 CSNHD is showing the game in HD. Are they blocking the Philly HD feed now?
for reasons that only comcrap knows, some of the comcast sportsnets will occassionally show a game from another comcast sportsnet. In this case, CSN Washington is showing the CSN Phily feed.
Sometimes it is blacked out even if you have the Sports pack and Centre Ice and sometimes it isnt if you have Centre Ice.
islesfan
02-19-09, 10:50 AM
This is turning into a general rant on the stupidity of blackout restrictions when it is supposed to be a thread about the stupidity of the Dolans!
Dolans Suck!
Wasn't the fight started because Bettman ordered all NHL team websites to be controlled by the NHL? I thought the Rangers objected and they pulled HD games off NHLCI in protest.
Jun 19, 2008
NEW YORK (AFP) — The National Hockey League announced Thursday that it is threatening to strip ownership of the New York Rangers from Madison Square Garden after the group sued the league over anti-trust issues.
The spat comes after the league and the Rangers' ownership have feuded over control of the team's web site.
Madison Square Garden (MSG), which owns the famed arena where the Rangers and basketball's New York Knicks play, sued the NHL last September saying the league violated US anti-trust laws by monopolizing control of club promotions.
But the Dolans and Bettman both suck!
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iPo_mRAZU-5MpAdeHsCBcmHhbeoQ
Ice Dog 4
02-19-09, 02:10 PM
Are you out of market or in NY/NJ? Was this the center ice channel you are talking about and if so what channel did they replay the game on? Luckily i was around and just watched the Sunday Devils vs Sharks game in SD when the HD feed was blank but I set my DVR to record last nights Devils/Panthers game on the HD Center Ice channel (774-1 I believe) and missed the game entirely. I wasn't aware that these games are replayed on any channels (other then MSG but only if you are in the local market)
I had the same problem trying to view the Sharks / Devils game in HD. I have Center Ice and the sports pack and saw that the game was listed in the guide as being available in HD. I live in Wisconsin, nowhere near either teams' home market, so where is the value of the blackout to either of these teams?!?!?!?!?!
islesfan
02-20-09, 09:06 AM
Wasn't the fight started because Bettman ordered all NHL team websites to be controlled by the NHL? I thought the Rangers objected and they pulled HD games off NHLCI in protest.
But the Dolans and Bettman both suck!
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iPo_mRAZU-5MpAdeHsCBcmHhbeoQ
All true, but the Rangers lost and the league does have the right to control league websites. No one would question the decision if Burger King wanted to standardize all of its franchise websites, so why not with the NHL? The other leagues do this. I think the real reason the Dolans had a fit over the website is that the league, after seeing that the www.newyorkislanders.com site was the most visited team site in the league (for an admittedly unpopular team), decided that NuLion, the Plainview NY company that did the Isles site and Islanders TV should do all the sites. Frankly, it is a good idea. The Isles site has always been stellar, so it makes sense for the league to follow suit.
Also, keep in mind that any time you see credits in a movie that contained NHL (or other league) shirts, hats, footage, etc., you see that the logos are the "property of the National Hockey League." So the New York Hockey Club does not own the rights to the Rangers logo, the NHL does.
So, Dolans, suck it up and stop acting like infants.:mad:
jefbal99
02-20-09, 09:55 AM
This is a tragic situation here and the Dolans are completely at fault...
I'm loving the NHL CI free preview right now. I'm in my 2nd year w/o CI (last year due to the change over to D* and this year due to some cost cutting. I will be re-subbing in the coming fall.) It has sucked to see so many games this week from MSG with the HD feeds blacked out. They have a monopoly on 4 NHL teams for coverage and with MSG being a great RSN, do most games in HD. Its a great benefit to the consumer in the NYC DMA, but to withhold that from the NHL CI customer is just petty.
I really hope that by next season, this is resolved so that I can watch MSG HD hockey (along with the other HD RSNs) in 100" glory once my basement/family theatre is completed :)
Also, completely off topic, but a side note...
Shame on FSN West/Prime Ticket for their HD coverage of the Ducks and Kings. The Kings only have 10 HD games between the two channels, same for the Ducks and three of those games are against each other!!! It pathetic for those two channels to be able to do every Lakers and Clippers game in HD, but not be able to produce hockey games in HD from one of the same facilities. And this is in the 2nd biggest media market in the US. :nono2:
Also, keep in mind that any time you see credits in a movie that contained NHL (or other league) shirts, hats, footage, etc., you see that the logos are the "property of the National Hockey League." So the New York Hockey Club does not own the rights to the Rangers logo, the NHL does.
Are you sure about that for the logos? I heard that the reason you never see the Hartford Whalers logo in video game classic teams or heritage jerseys is that the state of Connecticut or the city or something actually owns the Whaler logo. Or is that just a special case? And to stay on topic, death to the Dolans!
islesfan
02-20-09, 12:33 PM
Are you sure about that for the logos? I heard that the reason you never see the Hartford Whalers logo in video game classic teams or heritage jerseys is that the state of Connecticut or the city or something actually owns the Whaler logo. Or is that just a special case? And to stay on topic, death to the Dolans!
Sorry, I didn't mean to say "logos" but rather "images." And you are right in that Hartford holds the Whalers logo and they won't license it to anyone. That was a special case however.
OK Islesfan, I agree with you. Dolans suck. I want my Rangers in HD!
reweiss
02-22-09, 05:16 AM
The Dolans should learn from what is happening with the Knicks. When James Dolan got involved in the day to day issues with the Knicks and hired a friend (Isiah Thomas) instead of someone with a plan, he ran that francise into the ground and angered most of their fan base.
Now that Donnie Walsh is running things, there is a man with a high basketball IQ cleaning up a long mess. He brough in a coach who knows what he is doing, he's dumped many of those awful contract and (here's the most important part) he's making moves that support his long term plan. Things are finally going in the right direction.
So to Baby J Dolan, let people who are smarter than you (trust me J, that is a huge list) run your organizations. You have a knack for always doing the wrong thing a angering fans. Take the "George Costanza" approach. Whatever you think is right, do the opposite.
Oh, and give us our Islanders back in HD you a$$clown.
islesfan
02-22-09, 07:20 PM
Isles v. Devils, great game, produced in HD, on two channels, NO HD ON NHLCI!
Dolans Suck!
Mr. Dolan,
If you have noticed the performance of the New York Rangers has suffered since the removal of MSG HD on NHLCI. From my estimation the Rangers have gone 3-6-2 since the removal of MSG HD on NHLCI.
Unfortunately your behavior on this matter has forced me to place a curse on the team and the organization as a whole. The solution is simple. Return MSGHD to NHLCI and I will place the voodoo dolls back in the box.
Please do not take this request lightly. Your organization should be well aware of how long curses can take place. (54 years to be exact). As a long time Rangers fan placing the curse on the team has caused me great pain. However, I have done this in support of all the New York Rangers fans around the country. (Yes Mr. Dolan there is actually Rangers fans outside the New York metropolitan area).
Also, if you talk to Mr. Bettman and he is complaining about sharp lower back pain....well...he has been warned too.
Regards,
XXXXXXXXXXXX
The curse continues...4-8-3 since the removal on MSGHD on NHLCI. To the New York Rangers organizition enjoy golfing in April...no one deserves it more than you!
jefbal99
02-23-09, 11:14 AM
The curse continues...4-8-3 since the removal on MSGHD on NHLCI. To the New York Rangers organizition enjoy golfing in April...no one deserves it more than you!
And they fired the coach (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3928145) today...
All they had to do was put the HD feeds back on NHL CI and all in the world would have been good. But know, whine like a 3rd grader and fire the coach.
Sorry to see Tom Renney go, but when a team is playing that bad, the first person to go is the head coach. Now, if they could only fire Gomez, Drury, and Naslund and call up some young kids from Hartford that earn a lot less and would probably score a lot more. Best wishes to coach Renney.
I want my MSG HD!
One of the Ranger games this week is going to be on WPIX 11 in New York, I bet it will be in HD, but will we see it on Center Ice in HD?
Originally Posted by 311Man
The curse continues...4-8-3 since the removal on MSGHD on NHLCI. To the New York Rangers organizition enjoy golfing in April...no one deserves it more than you!
And they fired the coach (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3928145) today...
All they had to do was put the HD feeds back on NHL CI and all in the world would have been good. But know, whine like a 3rd grader and fire the coach.
And now that Tortorella has been hired Drury, Gomez and the rest of the sponges will soon regret playing like pansies while Renney was in the helm.
As far as the curse it will continue until Dolan returns MSGHD to NHLCI. I don't think Dolan will care though he is too busy fishing with his bum buddy Sather, smoking stogies and bitching about Bettman.
TonySCV
02-23-09, 11:05 PM
One of the Ranger games this week is going to be on WPIX 11 in New York, I bet it will be in HD, but will we see it on Center Ice in HD?
No... DirecTV doesn't carry WPIX as a RSN network. No RSN HD = no Center Ice HD.
- T
No... DirecTV doesn't carry WPIX as a RSN network. No RSN HD = no Center Ice HD.
- T
But there have been plenty of other local station games on Center Ice before, such as WB, St. Louis and WSBK, Boston in the past.
Edit:
Just checked the CI schedule, no dice. Have there been any local station games this season on CI?
TheRatPatrol
02-24-09, 06:16 AM
What game is suppose to be on WPIX?
paakoridge
02-24-09, 06:24 AM
What game is suppose to be on WPIX?
The Sat. game with the Avs is on WPIX (can't tell from their website if it's HD). It is also on MSG2, not in HD, and it is on the CI schedule, probably from MSG2. Unfortunately, the Avs do very few away games in HD, thus their feed is also SD.
So, Dolan still sucks, but the team has turned the page.
BuffaloDenny
02-24-09, 11:06 AM
Tonights Sabres game is in HD on Versus:) - screw you Dolan!
dhkinil
02-24-09, 11:33 AM
Tonights Sabres game is in HD on Versus:) - screw you Dolan!
and tomorrow's Rangers Leafs game is on NHL Network in HD, so screw you again.
I can not figure out why Dolan is punishing us, no one on this board cares who controls his website.
The Sat. game with the Avs is on WPIX (can't tell from their website if it's HD). It is also on MSG2, not in HD, and it is on the CI schedule, probably from MSG2. Unfortunately, the Avs do very few away games in HD, thus their feed is also SD.
So, Dolan still sucks, but the team has turned the page.
According to the Rangers website, both WPIX Rangers games will be produced in HD. Of course, we will not get these as part of NHL CI in HD, but only in SD via MSG2 apparently.
Yesterday, I sent a very diplomatic letter to the NHL and MSG about this current problem. I asked, for their fans sake, that both sides come together to allow MSG HD to be re-added to the NHL CI lineup. Probably won't do any good, but there isn't much I can do.
dhkinil
02-24-09, 02:38 PM
According to the Rangers website, both WPIX Rangers games will be produced in HD. Of course, we will not get these as part of NHL CI in HD, but only in SD via MSG2 apparently.
Yesterday, I sent a very diplomatic letter to the NHL and MSG about this current problem. I asked, for their fans sake, that both sides come together to allow MSG HD to be re-added to the NHL CI lineup. Probably won't do any good, but there isn't much I can do.
This is a corollary to Jim Bouton's comment about being a ballplayer... Only a baseball player has to explain to his wife why she needs penicillin for his kidney infection. Here it is, we need to lose HD on MSG because Dolan and Bettman have a visceral dislike for each other.
RoyGBiv
02-24-09, 04:17 PM
But there have been plenty of other local station games on Center Ice before, such as WB, St. Louis and WSBK, Boston in the past.
Edit:
Just checked the CI schedule, no dice. Have there been any local station games this season on CI?
I would say it's been at least 5 years since WSBK showed a Bruins game, and I don't believe they ever showed one in HD.
SMK
TheRatPatrol
02-24-09, 05:55 PM
I would say it's been at least 5 years since WSBK showed a Bruins game, and I don't believe they ever showed one in HD.
SMK
Thank goodness for NESN. They know how to run an RSN. The teams own, the way it should be.
bwaldron
02-24-09, 09:47 PM
I would say it's been at least 5 years since WSBK showed a Bruins game, and I don't believe they ever showed one in HD.
Nope, no HD Bruins ever on WSBK. I think that their last broadcast of a Bruins road game was in 2005 (the home games moved to NESN back in the 80's).
Thank goodness for NESN. They know how to run an RSN. The teams own, the way it should be.
The big advantage NESN has over most of the other RSNs, is they are a single network, not like FSN who has many different networks to supply HD equipment to. It will take a while before they are all full time HD.
You are right though, NESN does a great job, one of my main reasons for subscribing to the RSN package.
Originally Posted by 311Man
The curse continues...4-8-3 since the removal on MSGHD on NHLCI. To the New York Rangers organizition enjoy golfing in April...no one deserves it more than you!
And now that Tortorella has been hired Drury, Gomez and the rest of the sponges will soon regret playing like pansies while Renney was in the helm.
As far as the curse it will continue until Dolan returns MSGHD to NHLCI. I don't think Dolan will care though he is too busy fishing with his bum buddy Sather, smoking stogies and bitching about Bettman.
Another Ranger loss...to many to count now. Mr. Dolan if you want the curse to end put MSG HD back on NHLCI - its that simple.
Another Ranger loss...to many to count now. Mr. Dolan if you want the curse to end put MSG HD back on NHLCI - its that simple.
By the sounds of the crowd, toward the end of the game, it sounds like they are disgusted with the entire Ranger management.
Ira Lacher
02-27-09, 09:16 AM
Has anyone noticed how both the Knicks and Rangers (except for a few isolated seasons) have gone to pot since the Gahden came under corporate ownership? In fact, can anyone point to any team, in any sport, that has been a consistent winner under corporate ownership?
paakoridge
02-27-09, 09:23 AM
By the sounds of the crowd, toward the end of the game, it sounds like they are disgusted with the entire Ranger management.
The 'Fire Sather!' chorus has been going on for awhile, and he should have been shown the door, although end of the season is more likely if they miss the playoffs. It does not appear that Jim Dolan is listening to those chants, if he is ever in the building.
Meanwhile, no word on whether MSG in HD will return to Center Ice this season. Even if the Rangers are stinking up the joint, I still want to watch it in HD, but right now I guess that means waiting for March 8th on NBC and March 9th on Versus. :mad:
goondog71
02-27-09, 10:39 AM
I do not know if anyone noticed. But last year before MSG/MSG+ HD was added to CI, IO ran a commerical stating they were the only place to get the Ranges, Devils, etc in HD. Once those stations were added to Directv and CI, that commerical went away.
Last night during the Devils game, which was not in HD, the commerical is now back.
We might never see these HD again until a change in ownership.
I do not know if anyone noticed. But last year before MSG/MSG+ HD was added to CI, IO ran a commerical stating they were the only place to get the Ranges, Devils, etc in HD. Once those stations were added to Directv and CI, that commerical went away.
Last night during the Devils game, which was not in HD, the commerical is now back.
We might never see these HD again until a change in ownership.
I don't see how they could say that since isn't MSG/MSG+ HD still available to NYC area D* customers, it's only out of market MSG HD NHL games that are being withheld? I can say that I have subscribed to NHL CI since the days of Primestar but will not renew next season if this mess isn't solved.
TonySCV
02-27-09, 11:15 AM
But there have been plenty of other local station games on Center Ice before, such as WB, St. Louis and WSBK, Boston in the past.
Edit:
Just checked the CI schedule, no dice. Have there been any local station games this season on CI?
Yes.. none in HD though. :) An example - Hawks games on Comcast SportsNet Chicago, which is a RSN carried in HD by DirecTV = HD broadcasts of Hawks games on CI. Hawks games on WGN, which is a local broadcast network that DirecTV does not carry = SD only games, even though it airs locally in Chicago in HD.
(Before anyone gets their hopes up - Superstation WGN is NOT the same content as the local Chicago WGN, so if DirecTV gets the WGN Superstation HD feed, it will NOT translate to getting Hawks games that air on WGN in HD.)
Center Ice has contracts to broadcast all SD games from any affiliate, including Canadian broadcasts. HD is a whole other story.
- T
Mike Al
02-27-09, 01:29 PM
According to the Rangers website, both WPIX Rangers games will be produced in HD. Of course, we will not get these as part of NHL CI in HD, but only in SD via MSG2 apparently.
It is very unlikely that this game will be on MSG2. Last year MSG moved 2 Rangers games to WWOR 9. Neither of those games were available anywhere else. In addition, in the promos for the game against the AV's the Graphic as well as Sam Rosen said the game was "Exclusively on WPIX 11 and in HD". While the game is still showing up on the Guide as MSG2 the odds are DirecTV has yet to remove.
dhkinil
02-27-09, 03:41 PM
I do not know if anyone noticed. But last year before MSG/MSG+ HD was added to CI, IO ran a commerical stating they were the only place to get the Ranges, Devils, etc in HD. Once those stations were added to Directv and CI, that commerical went away.
Last night during the Devils game, which was not in HD, the commerical is now back.
We might never see these HD again until a change in ownership.
No, they were running the IO commercials while we were getting MSGHD on CI. Besides NBA League Pass is showing the Knicks in HD tonight and as they are playing Philadelphia I would assume that it is the Knicks feed as the Comcast Philly deal covers the 76ers as well.
I do not know if anyone noticed. But last year before MSG/MSG+ HD was added to CI, IO ran a commerical stating they were the only place to get the Ranges, Devils, etc in HD. Once those stations were added to Directv and CI, that commerical went away.
Last night during the Devils game, which was not in HD, the commerical is now back.
We might never see these HD again until a change in ownership.
This commercial was changed very slightly after D* added MSG HD to their lineup (Dec 5, 2007). The guy (Charles) in the commercial states "FIOS, Dish,..." and then states that none of these services offers the NY team's games free in HD. D* offered MSG HD/MSG+ HD for a fee (notice that I used past tense here!!), so that is how CV got past this statement. Plus, to some people, using the term "DISH" probably groups all satellite providers (D*, E*, etc.) together.
I am really get fed up with MSG and the NHL over this continued problem. They are screwing the fans of 4 teams (Rangers, Islanders, Devils, and Sabres) with this 3rd grade-like quarrel. We, the fans, are the lifeblood of the NHL and these teams existing and making money. Just like how a strike can decimate a fan's support for their team, the league, and the sport in general, removing the HD games of these teams from the various providers of NHL CI is having the same effect.
dhhaines
02-27-09, 10:18 PM
I am really get fed up with MSG and the NHL over this continued problem. They are screwing the fans of 4 teams (Rangers, Islanders, Devils, and Sabres) with this 3rd grade-like quarrel. We, the fans, are the lifeblood of the NHL and these teams existing and making money. Just like how a strike can decimate a fan's support for their team, the league, and the sport in general, removing the HD games of these teams from the various providers of NHL CI is having the same effect.
Wow... I guess you now know how the Flyers fans across the country have felt for a long time. :(
Those 4 team's games on MSG HD, Flyers and all Canadian HD games missing is making the NHLCI look very unappealing for next season.
But as a displaced Caps fan, I must pay .
bwaldron
02-28-09, 08:53 AM
Those 4 team's games on MSG HD, Flyers and all Canadian HD games missing is making the NHLCI look very unappealing for next season.
Not to say there aren't issues, but I choose to look at what we do have, and I still find Center Ice to be a good deal. If I purchased CI mainly to watch one of the MSG-HD teams, yes I would feel differently right now.
GlennDio
02-28-09, 09:02 AM
Not to say there aren't issues, but I choose to look at what we do have, and I still find Center Ice to be a good deal. If I purchased CI mainly to watch one of the MSG-HD teams, yes I would feel differently right now.
b and I agree as usual .... I want to watch my penguins in HD he his Bruins we get those all the other HD is a bonus which we enjoy but isn't required ...I have said recently (before the MSG HD fiasco) that NHL CI is the best value in sports packages ...I think I have to change that statement now ...MLB EI is the best value in Sports packages ...of course this is subject to change if A's or Giant's or Rockies' games suddenly stop showing up or are in SD when an HD feed is available or one of the many other things we have seen happen in the past few years ....
bosco10021
02-28-09, 11:43 AM
Those 4 team's games on MSG HD, Flyers and all Canadian HD games missing is making the NHLCI look very unappealing for next season.
I will not renew my NHL Center Ice package next year unless I see some changes for the better with HD broadcasts.
I am tired of NHL fans being treated less than the other major league sports fans.
This year started out OK and then it took a "Bill Barber dive".
I will not renew my NHL Center Ice package next year unless I see some changes for the better with HD broadcasts.
I am tired of NHL fans being treated less than the other major league sports fans.
I am sure you will see improvement. They improved a lot this year, from last year. More HD broadcasts and both feeds from many of the games are a few improvements over last year.
But I have to agree, they need to find a way to get the Canadian broadcasts in HD. Their SD broadcasts are sometimes unwatchable, looks like a misaligned analog antenna reception.
As far as the MSG issue, that is not the fault of DirecTV, DISH or any cable company. I am sure that will go away eventually, just wish it is soon.
wallybarthman
02-28-09, 12:36 PM
I am sure you will see improvement. They improved a lot this year, from last year. More HD broadcasts and both feeds from many of the games are a few improvements over last year.
But I have to agree, they need to find a way to get the Canadian broadcasts in HD. Their SD broadcasts are sometimes unwatchable, looks like a misaligned analog antenna reception.
As far as the MSG issue, that is not the fault of DirecTV, DISH or any cable company. I am sure that will go away eventually, just wish it is soon.
My hunch is that by 2009-2010 we'll see the MSG issue resolved - I'd be pleasantly surprised to see it get resolved this year though.
My hunch is that by 2009-2010 we'll see the MSG issue resolved - I'd be pleasantly surprised to see it get resolved this year though.
Geez, I was hoping this problem is ironed out before the end of this season!
bwaldron
02-28-09, 07:16 PM
I am tired of NHL fans being treated less than the other major league sports fans.
Even with the MSG issues, CI is still better than NBA League Pass (which has no dual feeds at all).
sigma1914
03-01-09, 11:38 AM
I am a huge sports fan (as noted by my signature) and feel fortunate to see the Redwings in HD. I feel bad for the fans of the 4 teams left out. Many nights I wish to see the Rangers or Flyers. I hope it's resolved "soon."
paakoridge
03-01-09, 11:55 AM
Apparently the 3 teams not owned by Dolan do not have any leverage within their contracts, as they are still unavailable in HD.
Since my perspective and communication with a team has been focused on the Rangers, have fans of the other 3 teams communicated with them and received replies as to their course of action?
wallybarthman
03-01-09, 12:10 PM
Apparently the 3 teams not owned by Dolan do not have any leverage within their contracts, as they are still unavailable in HD.
Since my perspective and communication with a team has been focused on the Rangers, have fans of the other 3 teams communicated with them and received replies as to their course of action?
Definitely. The Sabres hands are tied - they are in the midst of a ten year contract (through 2016-2017) with MSG. As I understand it this means that MSG will definitely carry the Sabres, but the specifics of each season are negotiated every year (How many games, how many in HD, etc.). I've made it clear in my communications that they should push MSG to make their games available on NHL Center Ice in HD to avoid being collateral in someone else's dispute going forward..
islesfan
03-01-09, 06:13 PM
Apparently the 3 teams not owned by Dolan do not have any leverage within their contracts, as they are still unavailable in HD.
Since my perspective and communication with a team has been focused on the Rangers, have fans of the other 3 teams communicated with them and received replies as to their course of action?
Yes, I heard back from the Islanders and unfortunately they are at the mercy of the Dolans. (That's a near verbatim quote.)
And as I have said all along, the league should never allow one team's owners to control the broadcasts of three other teams. That's just ridiculous!
Yes, I heard back from the Islanders and unfortunately they are at the mercy of the Dolans. (That's a near verbatim quote.)
And as I have said all along, the league should never allow one team's owners to control the broadcasts of three other teams. That's just ridiculous!
I'm a Ranger fan and this pains me to say this but when the Rangers don't make the playoffs it will serve Mr. Dolan right.
bsnelson
03-02-09, 12:06 AM
No Devils in HD = no more NHLCI for me.
Brad
Apparently the 3 teams not owned by Dolan do not have any leverage within their contracts, as they are still unavailable in HD.
Since my perspective and communication with a team has been focused on the Rangers, have fans of the other 3 teams communicated with them and received replies as to their course of action?
The Devils forwarded my email about this issue to the league. An NHL media guy even called me about it and said the Devils took the issue very seriously but he didn't really have anything informative to say, just that HD contract disputes pop up time to time and that this is the same problem that happened with Altitude HD games last year. I will definitely not renew next year if this issue is not resolved as I have this package for the Devils and Sabres.
BuffaloDenny
03-02-09, 02:38 PM
No Devils in HD = no more NHLCI for me.
Brad
Same here (for the Sabres). Others have stated that the NHL has got us, and they know it. But I think it's an oversimplification to generalize it to that extent. I know there are some who will keep CI regardless. But I also know I and others will drop it due to how this was handled in the middle of the season (after they received our full payments), and whether there are any assurances if it will be addressed for next season. I have no problem walking away. And for how few subscribers CI has to begin with, you'd think they might want to hold on to what they got (but that's probably giving them too much credit).
islesfan
03-02-09, 03:23 PM
Same here (for the Sabres). Others have stated that the NHL has got us, and they know it. But I think it's an oversimplification to generalize it to that extent. I know there are some who will keep CI regardless. But I also know I and others will drop it due to how this was handled in the middle of the season (after they received our full payments), and whether there are any assurances if it will be addressed for next season. I have no problem walking away. And for how few subscribers CI has to begin with, you'd think they might want to hold on to what they got (but that's probably giving them too much credit).
The problem is that hockey fans are the most loyal of all fans, and the league knows it. As a result, despite all the threats here (and I don't doubt any one of you) most of us will still sign up for NHLCI next year and for many years to come. I know I will be back because I simply have to be able to watch the Isles and this is the only way it will happen.
As for the Dolans and the extent of their screwing us, bear in mind that not only do they control our access to 4 teams, they control access to 3/5 of the Atlantic Division. Add Comcrap Philly to that mix, and only 1 team is free to fly on NHLCI, the Pens. The problem is, when watching one of the teams held hostage by the Dolans, we don't even have the opposing HD feed available in most cases. The majority of Isles games are against the Devils, Rangers, Flyers, and Pens. That's just the way the schedule works (fortunately they made it better this year). This means that for divisional games, the majority of a team's play each season, we only get to see our teams in HD when they play the Pens.
Dolans Suck!:mad::mad::mad:
Well said. I want my Rangers in HD.
dhkinil
03-02-09, 04:35 PM
Well said. I want my Rangers in HD.
I want my Rangers in HD as well, hell I would settle for 16x9 and a decent power play over what we have now. What amazes me is that the NHL knows that this is going to cost them some subscribers, and believe me, I really doubt that they are making enough money to want to lose a single one. I heard a rumor that the escrow under the current agreement is going up, not a sign that the league is bringing in lots of dollars.
dhkinil
03-02-09, 04:38 PM
Wow... I guess you now know how the Flyers fans across the country have felt for a long time. :(
As a Ranger fan (and to the extent that I follow baseball anymore and it is very limited, a Mets fan) I am required to have a visceral dislike of the Flyers (and all other Philadelphia sports teams) but that said, I have zero sympathy for Comcrap as well.
TheRatPatrol
03-02-09, 06:09 PM
Well said. I want my Rangers in HD.
Yes, and I want every game in HD next season, home and away. :sure:
Does anyone here also get the Streaming Center Ice through NHL.com? If so are those MSG feeds in HD?
Side note: I feel that if you get the TV version of CI you should get the streaming version included or at least for a very small fee. But to have to pay full price for both is just crazy.
paakoridge
03-02-09, 06:40 PM
From reading the recent feedback about replies to inquiries to the Devils, Isles and Sabres, they must have a sweetheart price deal with MSG, and did not aggressively pursue type of service required, only level of service as to availability, as regards Center Ice. Their primary focus was apparently the home market, understandably, and the NHL should have taken a firmer hand when it came to Center Ice, since having 4 teams under one broadcast umbrella is a recipe for abuse, and now we're living that reality.
I'm guessing that this season is a write-off for MSG HD, and we'll see what they do in the summer, since it will influence many CI renewals. Let's keep sending e-mails to Center Ice reminding them of the potential revenue loss.
wallybarthman
03-02-09, 07:59 PM
Does anyone here also get the Streaming Center Ice through NHL.com? If so are those MSG feeds in HD?
Side note: I feel that if you get the TV version of CI you should get the streaming version included or at least for a very small fee. But to have to pay full price for both is just crazy.
They are widescreen, but they are a far cry from HD - that's for sure. Their highest feed is 1.2 Mbps which even using new codecs is at best SDish.
wallybarthman
03-03-09, 05:57 AM
As a Ranger fan (and to the extent that I follow baseball anymore and it is very limited, a Mets fan) I am required to have a visceral dislike of the Flyers (and all other Philadelphia sports teams) but that said, I have zero sympathy for Comcrap as well.
I think its worth noting,and its hardly surprising, that the organizations that the NHL has had disputes with are those that are tied either to the team itself or a Cable company (or in some cases both): Altitude, Comcast Philly, and MSG. There don't seem to be problems when it's a Fox Sports affiliate or NESN.
It's truly amazing to me that those who make their livings on capitalism actually don't like one of capitalism key ideas: competition.
In reality I feel bad for but can't really have any sympathy for Flyers and Rangers fans in this mess - they are your owners who created it. I have some sympathy for Islanders, Devils, and Sabres fans (of which I am one) but our teams were stupid enough to do business with the Dolans (granted some would say that they had little choice in the matter to start with)
dhkinil
03-03-09, 11:36 AM
Well now that we have Avery back where he belongs just another reason to get MSGHD back
islesfan
03-03-09, 12:39 PM
I think its worth noting,and its hardly surprising, that the organizations that the NHL has had disputes with are those that are tied either to the team itself or a Cable company (or in some cases both): Altitude, Comcast Philly, and MSG. There don't seem to be problems when it's a Fox Sports affiliate or NESN.
It's truly amazing to me that those who make their livings on capitalism actually don't like one of capitalism key ideas: competition.
In reality I feel bad for but can't really have any sympathy for Flyers and Rangers fans in this mess - they are your owners who created it. I have some sympathy for Islanders, Devils, and Sabres fans (of which I am one) but our teams were stupid enough to do business with the Dolans (granted some would say that they had little choice in the matter to start with)
I can't speak for the other teams, but the Isles have a long term deal in place that pre-dates the Dolans. The Dolans got a hold of the Isles from FSN. On the other hand, the cable deal is so good it is part of the reason the Isles still exist. As I've said before, I'd rather have the Isles in SD than nothing.
OH, and no capitalist likes competition. They do everything they can to stifle competition. Capitalism is still the best method, but don't expect the competitors to like the competition. Your goal as a capitalist is to put all of your competitors out of business.
Dolans Suck!:mad:
bosco10021
03-03-09, 04:02 PM
Well now that we have Avery back where he belongs just another reason to get MSGHD back
This could get interesting, considering that right after the December incident in Calgary in which Avery made crude and intemperate remarks about former girlfriend Elisha Cuthbert Tortorella said this on TSN:
"The league stepped up here and I think they did the right thing. Enough is enough.
"He's embarrassed himself, he's embarrassed the organization, he's embarrassed the league and he's embarrassed his teammates, who have to look out for him. Send him home. He doesn't belong in the league."
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/postedsports/archive/2009/02/23/the-looming-showdown-john-tortorella-vs-sean-avery.aspx
dhkinil
03-03-09, 04:14 PM
This could get interesting, considering that right after the December incident in Calgary in which Avery made crude and intemperate remarks about former girlfriend Elisha Cuthbert Tortorella said this on TSN:
"The league stepped up here and I think they did the right thing. Enough is enough.
"He's embarrassed himself, he's embarrassed the organization, he's embarrassed the league and he's embarrassed his teammates, who have to look out for him. Send him home. He doesn't belong in the league."
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/postedsports/archive/2009/02/23/the-looming-showdown-john-tortorella-vs-sean-avery.aspx
In the end, Avery plays well and Rangers get into the playoffs and win a round, Tortorella won't care and even if they don't and Avery brings the level of passion he plays with to an otherwise insufficiently inspired (better but still short, even with Tortorella there) there will be no problems.
bwaldron
03-03-09, 04:16 PM
OH, and no capitalist likes competition. They do everything they can to stifle competition. Capitalism is still the best method, but don't expect the competitors to like the competition. Your goal as a capitalist is to put all of your competitors out of business.
Indeed. And once you get big, do what you can to get government to help you in keeping others out. Still the best system, though, hope we can keep it. :)
bwaldron
03-03-09, 04:17 PM
In the end, Avery plays well and Rangers get into the playoffs and win a round, Tortorella won't care and even if they don't and Avery brings the level of passion he plays with to an otherwise insufficiently inspired (better but still short, even with Tortorella there) there will be no problems.
Oh, I am VERY much looking forward to Torts and Avery together. :)
The way the Rangers have been playing, I think Avery may be exactly what the Rangers need. Keep in mind the huge difference in games won vs. loss last season when he was on the team. Something he does just made the Rangers play better and win. Keeping my fingers crossed..
BTW.. anyone going to the Rangers game on the 15th against the Flyers? I am going and also playing hockey on Garden ice after the Rangers game. Should be awesome.
bwaldron
03-03-09, 06:46 PM
I am going and also playing hockey on Garden ice after the Rangers game. Should be awesome.
Nice!
hunter65
03-03-09, 07:21 PM
I am going and also playing hockey on Garden ice after the Rangers game. Should be awesome.
That is awesome. How'd you swing that? I won an Upper Deck contest in '95 to practice with current and former Leafs at Maple Leaf Gardens.
islesfan
03-03-09, 07:52 PM
That is awesome. How'd you swing that? I won an Upper Deck contest in '95 to practice with current and former Leafs at Maple Leaf Gardens.
The last American junior team I played for used Nassau Coliseum as our home ice, so I have many fond memories of the old barn (well some memories, the rest are lost to concussions). As much as I agree that the Isles need a new arena, it always hurts to hear people talk about the need to tear down the "old dump."
Nevertheless, it's always fun to play on NHL ice, and NVCC is the last NHL barn left that I've actually played in.
The way the Rangers have been playing, I think Avery may be exactly what the Rangers need. Keep in mind the huge difference in games won vs. loss last season when he was on the team. Something he does just made the Rangers play better and win. Keeping my fingers crossed..
BTW.. anyone going to the Rangers game on the 15th against the Flyers? I am going and also playing hockey on Garden ice after the Rangers game. Should be awesome.
The home and home series with the Flyers could be the end for the blueshirts if they lose those games. Now that hope is lost that MSGHD will return this year to CI the Dolan's willl get what they rightfully deserve - no playoffs. The Rangers were doing well until MSGHD was pulled from CI...the curse began and so did their losing ways.
TheRatPatrol
03-04-09, 06:23 AM
the curse began and so did their losing ways.
1940! ;)
paakoridge
03-04-09, 02:39 PM
Well, at least Antropov is so big it will be almost like HD. :D
That is awesome. How'd you swing that? I won an Upper Deck contest in '95 to practice with current and former Leafs at Maple Leaf Gardens.
The Rangers had 30 spots open for this special. Club tickets near ice level and a 90 minutes pickup game after the Rangers game. We may meet some of the players since we'll be getting dressed as the players are cleaning up after the game. Should be fun.
TheRatPatrol
03-05-09, 07:11 PM
Two HD feeds of the game tonight and we can't watch either one of them. I hope this c*** ends soon. :nono2:
islesfan
03-06-09, 09:57 AM
Well, even in SD the game was great! Didn't like the outcome, but that's the way of bad luck bounces (the luck tends to stick to the better team). Anyway, seeing Avery plastered into the boards looked great even in SD!
Dolans Suck!
P.S. Pretty classless of Rangers fans there to chant "Kansas City." I mean, as much as I hate the Rangers, who wants nights like last night to go away forever? As it is, the Rangers are guaranteed 6 "playoff" games every season. Only an idiot wants to give that up!
Mike Al
03-06-09, 11:21 AM
P.S. Pretty classless of Rangers fans there to chant "Kansas City." I mean, as much as I hate the Rangers, who wants nights like last night to go away forever? As it is, the Rangers are guaranteed 6 "playoff" games every season. Only an idiot wants to give that up!
I am a die hard Ranger fan who totally agrees with you. I would be heartbroken if the Islanders left. I live 10 minutes from the NVMC and have attended many more Islander games than Ranger games. As much as I love the Rangers, I love hockey more and the worst thing that could happen would be for the Islanders to leave the Island. I will never forget the Saturday afternoon when the Islanders won their first cup. It was as much a victory for the Islanders as it was for those of us who live on LI. I just wish the Town of Hempstead would get off their !@#$$ and approve the Lighthouse Project. Charles Wang is a very good owner who has lost a great deal of money on the team. Frankly, I could not blame him if he finally gives up. He was shown in an interview on the Rangers feed last night saying if there is no deal by October they will leave.
islesfan
03-06-09, 11:31 AM
I am a die hard Ranger fan who totally agrees with you. I would be heartbroken if the Islanders left. I live 10 minutes from the NVMC and have attended many more Islander games than Ranger games. As much as I love the Rangers, I love hockey more and the worst thing that could happen would be for the Islanders to leave the Island. I will never forget the Saturday afternoon when the Islanders won their first cup. It was as much a victory for the Islanders as it was for those of us who live on LI. I just wish the Town of Hempstead would get off their !@#$$ and approve the Lighthouse Project. Charles Wang is a very good owner who has lost a great deal of money on the team. Frankly, I could not blame him if he finally gives up. He was shown in an interview on the Rangers feed last night saying if there is no deal by October they will leave.
I saw that interview on the Isles feed. Nothing that much of a surprise there, except the parting shot, where he looks to the camera and reminds the viewers that we "elect these people" so it's our fault (except for me, since I left in 1995 and voted for none of these people). Actually, I haven't lived in Nassau County since 1987, so I have no responsibility in this matter, but I have no power too. Here (Reno) we got a shiny new baseball stadium built in two years and stole the Tuscon Sidewinders AAA team to move here. I'm not a baseball fan, but I am a Reno Aces fan. I'll support any home team here and try my best to keep them!
Mike Al
03-06-09, 11:39 AM
I saw that interview on the Isles feed. Nothing that much of a surprise there, except the parting shot, where he looks to the camera and reminds the viewers that we "elect these people" so it's our fault.
The Rangers feed did not include the parting shot. I totally agree with him and I did "vote for those people".
lowmazda
03-06-09, 11:51 AM
I am a die hard Ranger fan who totally agrees with you. I would be heartbroken if the Islanders left. I live 10 minutes from the NVMC and have attended many more Islander games than Ranger games. As much as I love the Rangers, I love hockey more and the worst thing that could happen would be for the Islanders to leave the Island. I will never forget the Saturday afternoon when the Islanders won their first cup. It was as much a victory for the Islanders as it was for those of us who live on LI. I just wish the Town of Hempstead would get off their !@#$$ and approve the Lighthouse Project. Charles Wang is a very good owner who has lost a great deal of money on the team. Frankly, I could not blame him if he finally gives up. He was shown in an interview on the Rangers feed last night saying if there is no deal by October they will leave.
How is this project getting funded? Pretty arenas don't fill seats for losing teams. Nassau Co residents already pay heavy property taxes and a high sales tax. Unless this is funded by 100% private investors, it's going to be a tough project to pass.
EDIT: Finally found it will be privately financed.
Most notable is that the project will be privately financed. Nassau County residents pay on average $7,726 in real estate tax – second highest in the nation – so any plan that would call for an increase in taxes would probably be met with virulent opposition.
islesfan
03-06-09, 12:11 PM
How is this project getting funded? Pretty arenas don't fill seats for losing teams. Nassau Co residents already pay heavy property taxes and a high sales tax. Unless this is funded by 100% private investors, it's going to be a tough project to pass.
EDIT: Finally found it will be privately financed.
Most notable is that the project will be privately financed. Nassau County residents pay on average $7,726 in real estate tax – second highest in the nation – so any plan that would call for an increase in taxes would probably be met with virulent opposition.
All true, and there is no rational reason not to allow this. There has been speculation that Kate Murray is being run by owners of the mall, but there isn't proof of that yet. Unfortunately, Murray isn't terribly bright, so there has to be speculation as to why is behind her standing in the way of this project. The recent public comment forums have been 100% in favor of this project.
As for "losing teams" all teams are losing teams at some point. That's why there is a draft. Where the facility comes in is where the team cannot attract free agents because the team is always losing money and the free agents don't want to sit in a leaking locker room. See also: Ryan Smyth. He was offered a better deal by the Isles and he left for a "losing team" in Denver. This is exactly what Garth Snow faces.
A new facility doesn't, by itself, solve the team's problems, but it takes a major roadblock out of their way. Then we can see how well Snow and Wang can manage a team. As it stands, Bill Torrey couldn't build a winner there.
BuckSatan
03-06-09, 05:50 PM
It seems I am getting the MSG HD feed Sabres/Coyotes
whats going on with that?
It seems I am getting the MSG HD feed Sabres/Coyotes
whats going on with that?
Blacked out here.
It seems I am getting the MSG HD feed Sabres/Coyotes
whats going on with that?
NHLCI had Coyote feed in HD not MSG
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