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brownram
02-23-09, 12:50 AM
you have deep pockets check this out http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644516277
Stewart Vernon
02-23-09, 12:55 AM
Can you fix your broken link? It works if I copy and paste it, then remove the extra "if" at the end of it.
If you can't fix it yourself, I'll ask a moderator of this forum to do it.
Meanwhile, that is an expensive bit of machinery at $3500.00! I know people have been asking about Blu-ray changers, but wow!
Yoda-DBSguy
02-23-09, 02:39 AM
Alot cheaper way of doing pretty much the same thing is to use a Sony PS3 which can be found for between 299-399 depending on the model; and a upnp a/v serving network hard drive (you can substitute your normal pc and run tversity and or orb to accomplish the same thing).
This avenue will allow you to stream any movie you have ripped (blu-ray or standard dvd), downloaded movie off the web and or made from your own video camera as well as any photo, music file and or tv tuner card source for real time transcoded streaming.
It's not only alot cheaper, but a hell of alot more versitile to boot.
Simular operations can be achieved with an xbox360 or Wii, except for the incorporated blu-ray player of course.
Alot cheaper way of doing pretty much the same thing is to use a Sony PS3 which can be found for between 299-399 depending on the model; and a upnp a/v serving network hard drive (you can substitute your normal pc and run tversity and or orb to accomplish the same thing).
This avenue will allow you to stream any movie you have ripped (blu-ray or standard dvd), downloaded movie off the web and or made from your own video camera as well as any photo, music file and or tv tuner card source for real time transcoded streaming.
It's not only alot cheaper, but a hell of alot more versitile to boot.
Simular operations can be achieved with an xbox360 or Wii, except for the incorporated blu-ray player of course.
PS3 can't hold 200 BDs... :rolleyes:
you have deep pockets check this out http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644516277
Can you fix your broken link? It works if I copy and paste it, then remove the extra "if" at the end of it.
If you can't fix it yourself, I'll ask a moderator of this forum to do it.
Meanwhile, that is an expensive bit of machinery at $3500.00! I know people have been asking about Blu-ray changers, but wow!
This has been around for quite a while actually. It replaced a DVD changer that was a seperate with a media center PC. The price hasn't changed since it was originally put onto their website either. It is time they came out with a less expensive replacement of this one. The PC under the hood isn't very appetizing either. If they dropped the proce by $1000 it may look better.
Alot cheaper way of doing pretty much the same thing is to use a Sony PS3 which can be found for between 299-399 depending on the model; and a upnp a/v serving network hard drive (you can substitute your normal pc and run tversity and or orb to accomplish the same thing).
This avenue will allow you to stream any movie you have ripped (blu-ray or standard dvd), downloaded movie off the web and or made from your own video camera as well as any photo, music file and or tv tuner card source for real time transcoded streaming.
It's not only alot cheaper, but a hell of alot more versitile to boot.
Simular operations can be achieved with an xbox360 or Wii, except for the incorporated blu-ray player of course.
:lol: If only it were as easy as you make it out to be:lol:
Christopher Gould
02-23-09, 06:25 PM
didn't sony have a 400 disc blu-ray changer at CES without the PC part
didn't sony have a 400 disc blu-ray changer at CES without the PC part
Yeah, I think I remember something about that.
spartanstew
02-23-09, 09:59 PM
didn't sony have a 400 disc blu-ray changer at CES without the PC part
Yes, they did. (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=1974007&highlight=estimated#post1974007)
I wonder when that will be out, it looks good!
hdtvfan0001
02-24-09, 07:06 AM
Yes, they did. (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=1974007&highlight=estimated#post1974007)
Saw that at the CES....it was huge....wonder who'd even get one of those thingys...
spartanstew
02-24-09, 08:16 AM
I would.
I would too, depending on the user interface...
rudeney
02-24-09, 12:59 PM
You could build a HTPC that would store 200 BD's (ripped) for less than half this price.
Christopher Gould
02-24-09, 06:01 PM
i paid 800 for sony's first 200 disc dvd changer(something like 10 years ago), she full now and still running. i'd look hard at the 400 disc changer
Yoda-DBSguy
02-24-09, 06:44 PM
PS3 can't hold 200 BDs... :rolleyes:
If you rearead my entire post above; then you would have noticed the addition of the "networked upnp a/v hard drive" I mentioned which can indeed offer enough storage to do so.
Yoda-DBSguy
02-24-09, 06:51 PM
:lol: If only it were as easy as you make it out to be:lol:
Truthfully it's not hard at all. It may be overwhelming to those that are electically challenged; however for the people that would actually use a 200 disc blu-ray player, it shouldn't be an issue at all.
At literally as fraction of the price, more people should honestly do some research; as there is not much of a leaning curve either.
I for one use this exact senario all the time to stream 1080P content.
Sony PS3
4 Bay 10/100/1000 upnp a/v Network enclosure with (4) 1.5 terrabytes hard Drives
Truthfully it's not hard at all. It may be overwhelming to those that are electically challenged; however for the people that would actually use a 200 disc blu-ray player, it shouldn't be an issue at all.
At literally as fraction of the price, more people should honestly do some research; as there is not much of a leaning curve either.
I for one use this exact senario all the time to stream 1080P content.
Sony PS3
4 Bay 10/100/1000 upnp a/v Network enclosure with (4) 1.5 terrabytes hard Drives
I have 2 HTPC's and a Dlink 343 NAS with 4- 1.5 TB drives just for blu ray rips. I was simply stating that you made it out to look easy. Which it isnt for the average user. The 200 or 400 disc player would be a better solution for 99% of consumers. I like toying around with HTPC's and network gear:D
BTW, if you dont mind, what enclosure are you using and are you streaming your blu ray rips to the PS3 as mkv's? I have all of my BD's ripped as ISO's, so obviously I can't stream an ISO to the PS3, thats why i have an HTPC in my 2 main viewing areas. The problem with most of the newer BD titles is that the playlist is kept in multiple folders, thats why I dont save them as a file, but an ISO.
Yoda-DBSguy
02-25-09, 01:05 PM
BTW, if you dont mind, what enclosure are you using and are you streaming your blu ray rips to the PS3 as mkv's? I have all of my BD's ripped as ISO's, so obviously I can't stream an ISO to the PS3, thats why i have an HTPC in my 2 main viewing areas. The problem with most of the newer BD titles is that the playlist is kept in multiple folders, thats why I dont save them as a file, but an ISO.
I play .mkv files directly on the PS3. If you install "ORB" on one of your networked computers and add your network drive to it's video library list folder you will be able to natively playback a multitude of video encapsulating formats that are not normally native to the PS3. All you have to do is login to your free orb account online and add the extention type to the allow list of playback ententions. (So simply add .mkv to the allow list).
Furthermore by installing ORB, it allows you both internet access as well as lan access to a tv tuner card for playback on your PS3 if the computer your runing ORB on incorporates a s tuner card as I eluded to before.
Basically, anything I can do to cut out or cut down on converting formats for playback is a definate win-win sistuation on all fronts.
I play .mkv files directly on the PS3. If you install "ORB" on one of your networked computers and add your network drive to it's video library list folder you will be able to natively playback a multitude of video encapsulating formats that are not normally native to the PS3. All you have to do is login to your free orb account online and add the extention type to the allow list of playback ententions. (So simply add .mkv to the allow list).
Furthermore by installing ORB, it allows you both internet access as well as lan access to a tv tuner card for playback on your PS3 if the computer your runing ORB on incorporates a s tuner card as I eluded to before.
Basically, anything I can do to cut out or cut down on converting formats for playback is a definate win-win sistuation on all fronts.
How do you play back a blu ray mkv file that has the movie in multiple folders?
Thats why i rip them as an ISO, so I dont have to deal with multiple movie files for one movie. Obviously I cant stream a BD ISO, but i would convert them to mkv files if someone has a good way to mend all of the playlist files togther.
Yoda-DBSguy
02-26-09, 04:56 PM
How do you play back a blu ray mkv file that has the movie in multiple folders?
Thats why i rip them as an ISO, so I dont have to deal with multiple movie files for one movie. Obviously I cant stream a BD ISO, but i would convert them to mkv files if someone has a good way to mend all of the playlist files togther.
Every BD flick I have played back though my PS3 is in 1 single mkv file.
You can find a variety of methods to get this end result; here's just one step by step I found quickly off a google search:
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic362452.html
Every BD flick I have played back though my PS3 is in 1 single mkv file.
You can find a variety of methods to get this end result; here's just one step by step I found quickly off a google search:
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic362452.html
It seems like the last 5 or 6 BD's that I ripped have the main movie spread out into multiple folders. Thats why I switched to ISO. Thanks for the link.
If you rearead my entire post above; then you would have noticed the addition of the "networked upnp a/v hard drive" I mentioned which can indeed offer enough storage to do so.
I read it, in order to do a hard drive (setup), let's say RAID 5 or 6, you'd need 10 Terra Bytes-ish (a little more actually) for 200 BDs. That is not practical, either. When the 400 BD player appears, it will likely be in the sub $1k price...it is far more cost effective. Also, there isn't a good BD RIPper out there, yet. Too, your network load, if you can assign a decent percentage of bandwidth to the two items, the sender and receiver, then other items on the network will suffer (unless your basic setup is of a commerical quality; which most home networks are not). A direct connected multidisc player seems more practical to me. Can it be done other ways, sure, but a single player makes the most sense, hence my response.
Yoda-DBSguy
03-02-09, 07:56 AM
I read it, in order to do a hard drive (setup), let's say RAID 5 or 6, you'd need 10 Terra Bytes-ish (a little more actually) for 200 BDs. That is not practical, either. When the 400 BD player appears, it will likely be in the sub $1k price...it is far more cost effective. Also, there isn't a good BD RIPper out there, yet. Too, your network load, if you can assign a decent percentage of bandwidth to the two items, the sender and receiver, then other items on the network will suffer (unless your basic setup is of a commerical quality; which most home networks are not). A direct connected multidisc player seems more practical to me. Can it be done other ways, sure, but a single player makes the most sense, hence my response.
you read incorrect information. On a Blu-ray rip the average size in mkv format is anywhere from 750 meg to 8 gig each. If you take the larger 1080p 8 gig file size; that equiovilates to 1.6 terrabytes using 200 title capacity. Having a Raid array setup really has nothing to do with it since a single 1.5 terrabyte drive can be had for $120 or so at this time.
Also runing JBOD is much superior in terms of functionality for stacking drives then raid---but thats besides the point.
now you mentiponed the cost was so much greater---rething that looking at the above. The other fact is this is available now; where as the elusive 400 disc player you referred to is NOT----and potetially may never be since its conceptional until it's actual release.
Lastly a residential N class router can handle and produce hd content just fine on wirless; not to mentioned that alot of routers are currently produced 10/100/1000 wired rates at the sub 150 price point.
So your logic is flawed to say the least....
you read incorrect information. On a Blu-ray rip the average size in mkv format is anywhere from 750 meg to 8 gig each. If you take the larger 1080p 8 gig file size; that equiovilates to 1.6 terrabytes using 200 title capacity. Having a Raid array setup really has nothing to do with it since a single 1.5 terrabyte drive can be had for $120 or so at this time.
Also runing JBOD is much superior in terms of functionality for stacking drives then raid---but thats besides the point.
now you mentiponed the cost was so much greater---rething that looking at the above. The other fact is this is available now; where as the elusive 400 disc player you referred to is NOT----and potetially may never be since its conceptional until it's actual release.
Lastly a residential N class router can handle and produce hd content just fine on wirless; not to mentioned that alot of routers are currently produced 10/100/1000 wired rates at the sub 150 price point.
So your logic is flawed to say the least....
I don't think my logic is flawed. But you're welcome to think so, as agressively as you do.
I am more of a audio/video file, I suspect, than you, and compressing those movies that much will lose some data. I would avoid that, this is why I said there isn't a BD available up to my own standards. Your standard may not be as high, if you can live with lossy compression ratios, then this is perfect for you, but not for me. What works for you doesn't work for me.
If I were to invest in storing my BDs on a drive, I would not put it on a single drive, that is an accident waiting to occur, hence the reason I mentioned RAID, and not just any software RAID, it would need to be a hardware RAID, which in itself, for that many drives, to have full content of everything within a BD, mirrored from the would be 10 terrabytes-ish. The RAID provides a certain amount of backup. Just A Bunch of Disks (JBOD) is not a good solution for backing up, you know that too, your point is there are other solutions, sure, but they are not protecting my entertainment.But this is off topic of the OP, a multidisc player (another pone of my points).
The multidisc player removes the user from having to be technically savy too, in the ways of computers, or RIPping, and dealing with crashes. This is a lot of baggage that can be left behind with a multidisc player.
I think you missed my point on the type of network. I have several computers running on my network, which if the GigE is contributing to a stream BD, that will take away from the others on my network, which I would want to throttle to ensure maximum efficiency, you can not do that readily with inexpensive routers and switches, they would need to be managed to be efficient. while what you suggest can be done, it has some issues. A direct connection of an HDMI cable from a multidisc player to an HDTV works much more elegantly.
My logic is not flawed, my vision is different than yours is all.
It is likely that the multidisc player is coming very soon, the HES is not at a good pricepoint to make it attractive to me, it also has problems rendering BDs, but again, that is the price paid for a non-realtime OS being used for realtime work.
I don't have a blu ray rip that is less than 20gb, and some go up to 45gb(if you dont strip out the trailers and extras)
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