kanye west on american idol; ughh disgusting

[brant]

here's a tip kanye;

when you take a voice that sounds like dogs**t and slam it with auto-tune, it sounds like dog diahhrea.

why did they even bring him on this show? its not like they needed the ratings.

i wish they would let simon critique his performance on the show.

oh it would be delicious.

[Art7220]

Well, I'll agree with you on the auto-tune.

But I think having these big names on shows how little talent the Idols have. These guys aren't gonna be remembered in 5 years, if even.

The only one doing well is Kelly Clarkson. And maybe Amanda Overmyer, even though she didn't make the Top 10.

[spartanstew]

Am I the only one that never listens to that stuff.

During the competition shows, I fast forward until someone is singing and then listen to the judges. I skip right by all the crap about how many kids they have and how their lives suck.

During the elimination show, I fast forward until they have a couple of people standing up, then see what happens. I got through tonights show in about 6 minutes.

[WERA689]

Then you watched 6 minutes more than the show has quality content.....

[Supramom2000]

I have never, EVER watched Idol, but isn't Daughtry from there as well? He is doing great and I love his music.

Also, isn't there a country singer (female) that is doing well?

[brant]

. . . . .

But I think having these big names on shows how little talent the Idols have. These guys aren't gonna be remembered in 5 years, if even.

The only one doing well is Kelly Clarkson. And maybe Amanda Overmyer, even though she didn't make the Top 10.



no talent? you've got to be kidding me.

season 1:

Kelly Clarkson - Won a grammy, sold over 20 million albums
Justin Guarini - host on TV Guide network


season 2:

Ruben Studdard - nominated for AMA fav. male r&b/soul artist; nominated for a few BET awards, nominated for a grammy award, won an Image award. First album went platinum, second went gold, third album has sold almost a quarter million so far.

Clay Aiken - Won several billboard awards, won AMA fan's choice, has a multi-platinum, two platinum, and gold sellings albums. altogether he's sold almost 9 million records. Had a DVD that went gold.

Josh Gracin - first album went gold; last album released in '08 (don't have totals for that one). has several country top 5 and top 40 hits.


season 3:

Fantasia Barrino - more nominations and award wins than I care to type. Its a long list. has sold almost 3 million albums.

Jennifer Hudson - remember Dreamgirls? also released an album last year that went gold. she is acting in tv/film. you may have seen her winning an academy award.


season 4:

Chris Daughtry - formed the band Daughtry. album is currently 4x multi-platinum. almost 4.5 million sold. several grammy noms, AMA wins, several billboard wins and so forth.

Carrie Underwood - first album sold over 10 million copies. last album currently 2x multi-platinum. winner of 3 grammys, several more nominations.

Constantine Maroulis - currently acting on broadway; had several billboard chart toppers.




to be honest i'm tired of typing at this point; i think you can get the point though. of all the contestants who've recorded singles or albums, they've sold millions upon millions of records, been in tv and film roles, several grammy awards, etc. . etc. .


to say these people have no talent is a completely ignorant statement.

[Steve Mehs]

I have never seen an episode of American Idol either, watching a bunch of pop tarts who can't even spell the word talent sing other peoples songs to computer generated beats does not entertain me, but rather turns my stomach. That show is everything that is wrong with 'music' (and I use that word loosely) today.

[brant]

I have never seen an episode of American Idol either, watching a bunch of pop tarts who can't even spell the word talent sing other peoples songs to computer generated beats does not entertain me, but rather turns my stomach. That show is everything that is wrong with 'music' (and I use that word loosely) today.



they don't have a bunch of pop tarts. during the initial rounds, there are a lot of idiots. but the final 36 that people vote on are mostly excellent singers.

computer generated beats? they have a live band that is very good, and covers a very diverse catalog in each episode.

and of course they're going to sing other peoples songs. there has to be a reference point for the purpose of judging.

i'm really curious how you can make these accusations, and admit you've never watched it.

its not "everything that's wrong with music". these are very talented people.

[djrobx]

I have never seen an episode of American Idol either, watching a bunch of pop tarts who can't even spell the word talent sing other peoples songs to computer generated beats does not entertain me, but rather turns my stomach. That show is everything that is wrong with 'music' (and I use that word loosely) today.

If you don't watch the show, how do you know that it's "everything wrong with music today"? It's quite the opposite, I think. The Idols that make it to the pop charts produce some of the better music that's out there today. Take away those contestants, and you're left with a whole lot of hip hop/rap and people who can't sing worth a damn live.

[Art7220]

brant:

Actually, I only meant this season's crop has no talent, as compared to the ones you listed. Especially Kelly and J-Hud.

Wow, I can't believe most of you take the show so seriously. I thought there would be more people seeing the show as being fixed or fake, what have you. There needs to be more snark going on here.

Steve Mehs almost has it. It's just one big karaoke show. Also there's no rap on the show. These people don't know anything about what sells.

Also should add delusional frau fans who treat these guys like gods and who go around stalking the hotels and buses on tour. They're already going crazy over Danny Gokey.

God I need to find a site that treats AI like it should be treated.

[brant]

Steve Mehs almost has it. It's just one big karaoke show. Also there's no rap on the show. These people don't know anything about what sells.


its a show for people with singing talent; something rap is not.

i'm of the persuasion that rap music requires no talent whatsoever to be successful, although there are rappers who are talented (very limited).


danny gokey is a very good singer; i thought his friend they sent packing earlier was awesome too, and was surprised he got cut. they probably just decided to bypass him around the show and will sign him after this season is over.

that kid that looks like michael buble is a pretty good singer also. there's a couple more that I like, but i don't know their names.


but what do you suppose we treat AI like?

Its supposed to be entertainment, and that's what it is. I'm not an AI junky, but I'll call out an ignorant statement when I see one; and that's what I was doing here.

The show has good singers, which is something I appreciate listening to, whether you want to admit it or not.

[Art7220]

Well brant, I think it's kinda fixed. Ever see them release vote totals of the contestants? That would make one think they would fix the results so that whoever their chosen one is doesn't get cut. I'm thinking it's Danny.

But then that's why call-in voting is free. If you had to pay to vote, they'd have to release the vote totals.

I'd have to say, treat it like it's a glorified karaoke show and make fun of some of the contestants, judges, and Seacrest. Vote for the most outrageous contestant, the one who's not a chosen one and who doesn't "Fit the mold" AI wants them to.

So brant, is there anything on AI that you disagree with or do you believe everything on it is legit? Not trying to put you down, BTW.

[Herdfan]

when you take a voice that sounds like dogs**t and slam it with auto-tune, it sounds like dog diahhrea.



Well, I'll agree with you on the auto-tune.

But I think having these big names on shows how little talent the Idols have.

It is not just the Idols that don't have the talent, it is mainstream stars.

My B-I-L owns a sound studio in Nashville and his name is all over the albums of multi-platinum and ACM/Grammy winning artists. He has the full pro-tools rig etc and he has shown me how he tunes well known singers. If you could hear what the original track sounds like vs. what it sounds like when he has finished tuning it, you would be shocked.

Don't get me wrong, these people have more talent that someone off the street, but his opinion is that they find the "look" they want and fix the singing with electronics. It keeps him busy, so he doesn't complain.

[Richard King]

Also there's no rap on the show.One of the things that makes AI enjoyable.

I'd have to say, treat it like it's a glorified karaoke show and make fun of some of the contestants, judges, and Seacrest. Welcome to the "Gong Show". :lol: Actually, the judges and Seacrest get in a fair amount of fun with eachother.

I didn't watch the first few seasons and had the same opinion of the show as those here who have never watched it. Of course, when you have never experienced the show I don't know how you can judge it.

[Richard King]

My B-I-L owns a sound studio in Nashville and his name is all over the albums of multi-platinum and ACM/Grammy winning artists. He has the full pro-tools rig etc and he has shown me how he tunes well known singers. If you could hear what the original track sounds like vs. what it sounds like when he has finished tuning it, you would be shocked.I like the way recording used to be done. The artist HAD to have talent because there was no such thing as autotune. I hear autotune working all the tome on records and it drives me up a wall. I haven't heard it on any of the American Idol shows though and I doubt that they use it there for any of the contestants. Guests is a different story since they have an "image" to maintain. I haven't seen the Kenan West performance yet, but, I suspect I will simply skip over it. I can't stand the guy anyway.

[sigma1914]

Rap doesn't require talent to make a hit song, BUT it takes talent to stay successful in the industry. Very few are still around. Also, many talented rappers aren't commercial, but they are lyrically gifted.

As for AI having Kanye West...the shows all about mainstream-popular music. He's won 13 Grammy's, and sold 10+ million records in the U.S. with 14+ million world wide. That's pretty mainstream-popular.

[paulman182]

I'm not a "fan" of rap, but I do like some of it and understand the appeal.

The same things are being said about rap that traditionalists said about rock music in the 1950s.

It's OK...most rappers would probably not want a 50 year old white guy to like their music.

I guess the producers of AI feel these performers would alienate many of the potential viewers.

[peaches]

I rate "rap" right down there next to "porno".

[paulman182]

I rate "rap" right down there next to "porno".

"The same things are being said about rap that traditionalists said about rock in the 1950s.":)

Rock Music: "The most brutal, ugly, desperate, visious form of expression it has been my misfortune to hear...sly, lewd--in plain fact, dirty--lyrics..."--Frank Sinatra, 1957.

[sigma1914]

Arguing about musical taste and what's good or bad is like arguing about religion and politics. It shouldn't matter what you listen to, what you believe in, or what party you support...we'll all agree to disagree.

[Doug Brott]

I have never seen an episode of American Idol either, watching a bunch of pop tarts who can't even spell the word talent sing other peoples songs to computer generated beats does not entertain me, but rather turns my stomach. That show is everything that is wrong with 'music' (and I use that word loosely) today.

Clearly your opinion is in the minority .. Have you seen the ratings and the subsequent record sales? :)

[Doug Brott]

Oh, and BTW there's no way the Kanye portion was "Live" That was likely something done before the show and spliced in to the Results as if it were part of the show.

Clarkson's portion appeared to be Live, though.

[BattleScott]

Arguing about musical taste and what's good or bad is like arguing about religion and politics. It shouldn't matter what you listen to, what you believe in, or what party you support...we'll all agree to disagree.

Certainly, the taste part is true, but there is absolutley nothing wrong with the "good" or "bad" assessment. You may like Rap as genre or not, that is a taste issue. But for even those that like a given style of music like rap, soul, rock, country or whatever, they generally only prefer the "good" parts.
However, regardless of your musical inclinations, there is absolutely no denying that Kayne West cannot and should not attempt to sing live. Even with almost total re-processing of his voice, you can clearly tell that he is not able to maintain pitch control or stay on key. If I were a fan of his particular genre, I would be insulted by his lack of respect for his fans. He turned what might have been an enjoyable performance had he lip-synched as other pop stars do, into a laughable debacle.

[sigma1914]

That Kanye song and most of his latest cd were not supposed to sound like he's "singing" in the sense of the way true singers sing on key. He purposely used voice altering auto-tun, as others posted, to sound "digital" (not to sound in tune like it's typically used for) and mix with the use of Roland TR-808 drum machine (an 80s music instrument).

[peak_reception]

During the competition shows, I fast forward until someone is singing and then listen to the judges. Same here. The judging is tiresome too. Same comments all the time.

During the elimination show, I fast forward until they have a couple of people standing up, then see what happens. I got through tonights show in about 6 minutes. Elimination shows are worst of all. I watch about 10 minutes of each one, if that. I also skip where the lowest vote-getter sings again. 1) just heard it the previous night, and 2) if it was the worst (which is often was) why would I want to hear it again?

[spunkyvision]

Oh, and BTW there's no way the Kanye portion was "Live" That was likely something done before the show and spliced in to the Results as if it were part of the show.
I noticed that as well, no judges and no contestants it was weird.
I don't mind Kayne (as long as he stays out of politics) but him performing at idol just seemed odd. It was like he performed for a Jonas Brothers crowd.

[peak_reception]

Actually, I only meant this season's crop has no talent, as compared to the ones you listed. Especially Kelly and J-Hud. And what do you base that opinion on?

Wow, I can't believe most of you take the show so seriously. I thought there would be more people seeing the show as being fixed or fake, what have you. There needs to be more snark going on here. Snark is fine as far as it goes. It goes farther when based on some degree of knowledge and experience.

Steve Mehs almost has it. It's just one big karaoke show. True until the Top Dozen or so. Anoop and Jorge were karaoke. Jorge got the boot and Anoop will soon unless the VFTW bunch manages to keep him in. Usually the Top Ten have real talent. And each season there are usually one, two, or three who have extraordinary talent. All the more impressive when they come out of nowhere with little or no experience. p.s. karaoke can be fun to watch too when not take too seriously. ;)

Also there's no rap on the show. And this is supposed to be a negative?

These people don't know anything about what sells. Oh, so that's why it's been the #1 rated show on television for like 6 years running now.

Also should add delusional frau fans who treat these guys like gods and who go around stalking the hotels and buses on tour. They're already going crazy over Danny Gokey. The Beatles had all of that and more. Did that mean they were fakes or frauds because delusional fans swarmed all over them?

God I need to find a site that treats AI like it should be treated. :wave:

[Doug Brott]

Well brant, I think it's kinda fixed. Ever see them release vote totals of the contestants? That would make one think they would fix the results so that whoever their chosen one is doesn't get cut. I'm thinking it's Danny.

They use a third party to count the votes, so it's very unlikely the actual count is fixed .. But since they don't tell you any rankings, they could have both the top vote getter and the least vote getter at the very end of the show and say "one of these two are going home." So yeah, they do misdirect at times if that's what you mean by "fix."

Also, the whole voting method could easily be questioned. One persons ability to robot vote for a single individual could dramatically outweigh another's. Certainly this is not a process that would work in a democratic election, but for a popularity contest? Sure. Since it's also a singing show, one would hope that the most popular is the best singer, but we all know that that's not really the way it works.

[Art7220]

peak_reception:

What is this VFTW you speak of? Maybe that's what I'm looking for?
Should I try Google?

I believe the ones who watch the TV show are not the ones who buy a lot of music in the first place, AFAIK.

Doug, even though AI uses a third party, I don't think there's anything stopping them from changing the outcome on the air. If they were to cheat, they would take great effort in covering it up. Since no money is involved that makes it somewhat easier. IOW, it wouldn't be like the "quiz show" scandal. (See the movie Quiz Show for more about this.)

Also peak, I'm sure The Beatles did have some crazy fans, but back then they kept it to themselves because it wasn't easy to "spread the word", unlike nowadays.

Brant, the show is entertaining to me but my version of it is different than yours I'm sure.

[spartanstew]

Since no money is involved

Yes, I'm sure Carrie Underwood hasn't made any more money than whomever finished 13th that year. :confused:

[sigma1914]

peak_reception:

What is this VFTW you speak of? Maybe that's what I'm looking for?
Should I try Google?


http://www.votefortheworst.com/

[machavez00]

no talent? you've got to be kidding me.

season 1:

Kelly Clarkson - Won a grammy, sold over 20 million albums
Justin Guarini - host on TV Guide network


season 2:

Ruben Studdard - nominated for AMA fav. male r&b/soul artist; nominated for a few BET awards, nominated for a grammy award, won an Image award. First album went platinum, second went gold, third album has sold almost a quarter million so far.

Clay Aiken - Won several billboard awards, won AMA fan's choice, has a multi-platinum, two platinum, and gold sellings albums. altogether he's sold almost 9 million records. Had a DVD that went gold.

Josh Gracin - first album went gold; last album released in '08 (don't have totals for that one). has several country top 5 and top 40 hits.


season 3:

Fantasia Barrino - more nominations and award wins than I care to type. Its a long list. has sold almost 3 million albums.

Jennifer Hudson - remember Dreamgirls? also released an album last year that went gold. she is acting in tv/film. you may have seen her winning an academy award.


season 4:

Chris Daughtry - formed the band Daughtry. album is currently 4x multi-platinum. almost 4.5 million sold. several grammy noms, AMA wins, several billboard wins and so forth.

Carrie Underwood - first album sold over 10 million copies. last album currently 2x multi-platinum. winner of 3 grammys, several more nominations.

Constantine Maroulis - currently acting on broadway; had several billboard chart toppers.




to be honest i'm tired of typing at this point; i think you can get the point though. of all the contestants who've recorded singles or albums, they've sold millions upon millions of records, been in tv and film roles, several grammy awards, etc. . etc. .


to say these people have no talent is a completely ignorant statement.

Carrie Underwood was recently inducted as a member of the Grand Ole Opry

Kellie Pickler (season 5)is also doing quite well on the Country Charts

[Richard King]

I'm sure The Beatles did have some crazy fans, but back then they kept it to themselves because it wasn't easy to "spread the word", unlike nowadays.Wow.

[BattleScott]

That Kanye song and most of his latest cd were not supposed to sound like he's "singing" in the sense of the way true singers sing on key...

He did an excellent job then, and his live AI performance was an even greater achievment in this regard!:lol:

[Art7220]

Spartanstew, I meant it doesn't cost the caller to place a vote, unlike in Australia where they do charge callers to vote for their Idol.

Sigma1914, thanks for that. It warms my inner Charlie Brooker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brooker) and I will eventually get to the forums.

-A-

[peak_reception]

I'm sure The Beatles did have some crazy fans, but back then they kept it to themselves because it wasn't easy to "spread the word", unlike nowadays. Well, that's true. People were still using smoke signals to communicate with each other back then ;)

I checked out vftw's website for the first time a few minutes ago. There's some funny stuff. There's also some vicious stuff like accusing Danny Gokey of using his dead wife to get a singing career. Laughing about something like Megan Joy's "dancing" is fair game. Laughing about someone's death from cancer is beyond-the-pale, imo.

[peaches]

"The same things are being said about rap that traditionalists said about rock in the 1950s.":)

Rock Music: "The most brutal, ugly, desperate, visious form of expression it has been my misfortune to hear...sly, lewd--in plain fact, dirty--lyrics..."--Frank Sinatra, 1957.

Let's see now.....when have you listened to 50's music with the profanity, lewdness, dis-respect to females etc as is mainstream for rap....have you listened to some of the cop killing lyrics they throw out. And using a 1957 quote from a thug that was afraid of being displaced by rock n roll music isn't quite subjective.

Geeeze, give us a break.........

[sigma1914]

Let's see now.....when have you listened to 50's music with the profanity, lewdness, dis-respect to females etc as is mainstream for rap....have you listened to some of the cop killing lyrics they throw out. And using a 1957 quote from a thug that was afraid of being displaced by rock n roll music isn't quite subjective.

Geeeze, give us a break.........

Cop killing lyrics? Really? That one Ice-T song speaks for all of rap? If so, give a listen to "Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter" by Iron Maiden which objectifies young women in a sick way. Or "Brown-Sugar" by The Rolling Stones. See how easy it is to generalize & stereotype music genres? :rolleyes:

[tomkarl]

brant:

Actually, I only meant this season's crop has no talent, as compared to the ones you listed. Especially Kelly and J-Hud.

Wow, I can't believe most of you take the show so seriously. I thought there would be more people seeing the show as being fixed or fake, what have you. There needs to be more snark going on here.

Steve Mehs almost has it. It's just one big karaoke show. Also there's no rap on the show. These people don't know anything about what sells.

Also should add delusional frau fans who treat these guys like gods and who go around stalking the hotels and buses on tour. They're already going crazy over Danny Gokey.

God I need to find a site that treats AI like it should be treated.

Such hate for this show. It's hard to understand.

Here is an easy answer to your anger about the show: Don't watch it!

[paulman182]

Let's see now.....when have you listened to 50's music with the profanity, lewdness, dis-respect to females etc as is mainstream for rap....have you listened to some of the cop killing lyrics they throw out. And using a 1957 quote from a thug that was afraid of being displaced by rock n roll music isn't quite subjective.

Geeeze, give us a break.........

We can compare negative rap with negative rock and come out about equal.

I'm not saying today's music is the same as rock of the fifties...I'm saying rap music has the same relationship to mainstream pop as rock of the fifties had to mainstream pop of its day--Frank Sinatra or Perry Como.

Both rock and rap pushed the boundaries, offended people, and were/are controversial. Both caused/cause a lot of negative feelings. And both took years to become mainstream.

[peaches]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but Iron Maiden WAS NOT mainstream 50's rock and roll, heck Elvis couldn't even be seen on tv gyrating his hips.....Give us a break with this lame analogy....and please quite grabbing for straws to justify the lewdness of todays rap.....btw: no talent just talking street hype to each other....I repeat, no talent, just drugs, lewdness, cop killing, female bashing, etc.......but it is on the intelligence level of the thugs that buy it.........lol

[paulman182]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but Iron Maiden WAS NOT mainstream 50's rock and roll, heck Elvis couldn't even be seen on tv gyrating his hips.....Give us a break with this lame analogy....and please quite grabbing for straws to justify the lewdness of todays rap.....btw: no talent just talking street hype to each other....I repeat, no talent, just drugs, lewdness, cop killing, female bashing, etc.......but it is on the intelligence level of the thugs that buy it.........lol

I'm not trying to justify the lewdness. I don't even use curse words, myself. But my personal taste, and your personal taste, will do little to influence the flow of culture.

You restated the point yourself--Elvis was lewd in the 50s and he became mainstream. Rap is lewd in many ways and is becoming...mainstream. It is already mainstream with most of those under age 30. I hear white teenage girls calling each other the "b" word and the "h" word at high school sporting events all the time.

You are not describing all rap music any more than "Iron Maiden" describes all rock music.

It's not an "analogy"...it is the same thing, for better or worse, the evolution of pop culture. It's happened in books, movies, music, over and over.

But I am now happy to "give you a break."

[sigma1914]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but Iron Maiden WAS NOT mainstream 50's rock and roll, heck Elvis couldn't even be seen on tv gyrating his hips.....Give us a break with this lame analogy....and please quite grabbing for straws to justify the lewdness of todays rap.....btw: no talent just talking street hype to each other....I repeat, no talent, just drugs, lewdness, cop killing, female bashing, etc.......but it is on the intelligence level of the thugs that buy it.........lol

You mean young, suburban, white youth? That's the biggest consumer of hip-hop. You're stereotyping is absurd.

As for intelligence of rap consumers, I am quite intelligent and will not quit grabbing at straws when you're doing the same.

[sigma1914]

I'm not trying to justify the lewdness. I don't even use curse words, myself. But my personal taste, and your personal taste, will do little to influence the flow of culture.

You restated the point yourself--Elvis was lewd in the 50s and he became mainstream. Rap is lewd in many ways and is becoming...mainstream. It is already mainstream with most of those under age 30. I hear white teenage girls calling each other the "b" word and the "h" word at high school sporting events all the time.

You are not describing all rap music any more than "Iron Maiden" describes all rock music.

It's not an "analogy"...it is the same thing, for better or worse, the evolution of pop culture. It's happened in books, movies, music, over and over.

But I am now happy to "give you a break."

+1,000,000

[turey22]

here's a tip kanye;

when you take a voice that sounds like dogs**t and slam it with auto-tune, it sounds like dog diahhrea.

why did they even bring him on this show? its not like they needed the ratings.

i wish they would let simon critique his performance on the show.

oh it would be delicious.

Why do you have to talk about him like that? So what if he gets on the show? People will watch it just becasue of him...and if his voice sounds like dog$h*t so what? Dont listen to his music...He does make good music no matter what you think. Just pay close attention to it.

[turey22]

its a show for people with singing talent; something rap is not.

i'm of the persuasion that rap music requires no talent whatsoever to be successful, although there are rappers who are talented (very limited).


Rap...really isnt music...And yes only a handful of artist are talented in the rap genre. But when they put the "beat" together and they make all those sounds just work and make good music...I think that the only reason I like rap. Kayne west makes really good beats and even though his voice sucks he makes good beats. Like his song "Flashing Lights"...the start of the song is just powerful...and I will just have to say that I like all kinds of music. Salsa, opera, classical, rap, some rock, and many more. I have all that kind of music on my ipod and listen to it all the time so I think I know music, some what.

[brant]

Why do you have to talk about him like that? So what if he gets on the show? People will watch it just becasue of him...and if his voice sounds like dog$h*t so what? Dont listen to his music...He does make good music no matter what you think. Just pay close attention to it.

Its hard to "pay close attention" to that voice.

The guy is awful. No matter what you think. :D

[turey22]

Its hard to "pay close attention" to that voice.

The guy is awful. No matter what you think. :D

LOL, You have a point about his voice but I do enjoy his music.

[peaches]

You mean young, suburban, white youth? That's the biggest consumer of hip-hop. You're stereotyping is absurd.

As for intelligence of rap consumers, I am quite intelligent and will not quit grabbing at straws when you're doing the same.


Apparently you have nuked what little bit of brain you have with "mo rap".

The recent Black Youth Project (blackyouthproject.uchicago.edu) presents some sorely needed empirical data to address some of these questions. One surprise is that, according to the study, nearly 60 percent of daily rap listeners are African American. This cast some doubt on the oft-cited figure -- including in "Beyond Beats and Rhymes" -- that white listeners make up 70 percent of hip-hop's primary consumers. In the Project report, only 23 percent of white respondents reported that they listened to hip-hop daily, compared to 45 percent of Latino respondents and 58 percent of black respondents.

Get your facts straight or stay off the porch.....lmao:lol::lol::lol::lol:lol::lol::lol::l ol::lol::lol::lol:

[Phil T]

I like the show but never watch it live. I watched 3 hours of shows this week in a little over 30 minutes. Like most other I have my favorites. I watch them and skip over the rehash, commercials, and ones I don't like.

It is a perfect show for DVR's.

[Talos4]

Let's see now.....when have you listened to 50's music with the profanity, lewdness, dis-respect to females etc as is mainstream for rap....have you listened to some of the cop killing lyrics they throw out. And using a 1957 quote from a thug that was afraid of being displaced by rock n roll music isn't quite subjective.

Geeeze, give us a break.........

The problem is "somebody" keeps moving the decency bar every few years.

In the 50's gyrating hips were "indecent, lewd, crude, profane". That "rebel" James Dean, Youth shouldn't be exposed to this kind of "thing".

In the 60's those "Long haired" Beatles were infesting our youth, then the "really" long haired youth were professing "Make love not War" and were demonstrating that thought "in public" :eek2: (woodstock) Songs professing the virtues of LSD, Cocaine and the evil weed were rotting our brains. We were the ruin of the country.

In the 70's Disco. Nuff said about that :confused:

80's, Punk, Hair Bands, College Rock, Harold Faltermeyer. Olivia Neutron Bomb, Blood spitting, tongue wagging demons, MTV!!! Devil Rock, How much worse could it get?

You get my point. The bar moves and the popular music moves with it.

I'm a boomer like many on this board. My parents felt assaulted by the blitz of so called "bad, crude, dirty" music coming out of my room. (Thanks KOSS!!)

Today is no different. I really cannot stand Rap or Hip Hop BUT, I still cannot listen to Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Johnny Tillotson, Herman's Hermits etc.

You don't have to like everything that's out there. But, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean nobody likes it, and it's automatically garbage.

It's mine and your opinion. If you could spend opinions we'd all be rich!

[spunkyvision]

wow! can we create a new thread for idol?