Do the latest D* Dish/DVRs still require 2 lines from the dish?

[jkozlow3]

I read a post somewhere (don't remember where) that indicated that the newest D* dish and/or DVRs only required a single line from the dish to the DVR to take advantage of both tuners. Is this true with the newest equipment or would a SWM still be required?

I only have 1 line now and running a second line would be VERY difficult in my house. I find it ridiculous that E* has been able to do this with a single line for years but not D*.

Thanks!

[Blurayfan]

I read a post somewhere (don't remember where) that indicated that the newest D* dish and/or DVRs only required a single line from the dish to the DVR to take advantage of both tuners. Is this true with the newest equipment or would a SWM still be required?

I only have 1 line now and running a second line would be VERY difficult in my house. I find it ridiculous that E* has been able to do this with a single line for years but not D*.

Thanks!

The newer D* DVRs have the ability of using only one line to record from two SAT tuners. However it's the SWM that makes that feature possible.

[jkozlow3]

The newer D* DVRs have the ability of using only one line to record from two SAT tuners. However it's the SWM that makes that feature possible.

Thanks. Someone on the other forum said that there is a single wire LNB now that is used on most/all installations and that the SWM is no longer necessary?

[mobandit]

The single wire LNB is a SWM LNB....

[jkozlow3]

The single wire LNB is a SWM LNB....

OK, but is this the "standard" LNB provided free at installation or do you still have to purchase the SWM for $150+ like you used to?

I am thinking of switching from E* but do not wish to pay an extra $150 in order to use a single cable like I can currently with Dish.

[bobnielsen]

The SWM LNB is less expensive than the standalone SWM plus regular LNB: http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=SL3-SWM. It supposedly is being used for installations where 5-8 tuners will be connected, but it depends a lot on the HSP and installer as to what you actually get (some people have bought the LNB and had it available for the installer to use.)

That link is for the 3-LNB version and a Power Inserter (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=PI-21) is also required. A 5-LNB model will be required for those who need to access the 119 satellite for SD locals.

[BattleZone]

Criteria for a SWM LNB:

- NEW customer installations (only)
- No International channels
- At least one HD receiver
- 5-8 tuners
- subject to the availability of the SWM LNBs, which are sometimes in short supply.

[joshjr]

Criteria for a SWM LNB:

- NEW customer installations (only)
- No International channels
- At least one HD receiver
- 5-8 tuners
- subject to the availability of the SWM LNBs, which are sometimes in short supply.

Im pretty sure a frind of mine has a SWM and only 2 recievers. He should of 3 lines coming in as he has a HR21 and a D12 I believe. He called and said it was out for like 3 hours and he lives like 3 minutes away and has only had service for like 2 months. He told me that he only has one line ran to the DVR. I figured it had to do with some of the other issues people had reported with SWM. We had some extreme weather going on at the time. Mine never went down but his did.

[BattleZone]

In a few markets, installers have some leeway, and can use SWM LNBs where they deem appropriate. But most markets, and especially northern markets, are limited to following the business rules very strictly, meaning: if the SWM LNB isn't on the workorder, it doesn't get installed.

Part of that is the higher cost of the SWM LNB and accessories, and part is due to the limited availability of the SWM LNBs, especially due to the problems experienced with the WNC LNBs failing in sub-zero weather, which meant they couldn't be used in much of the country. WNC was making 3/4 of all SWM LNBs, so that was a big hit. I understand that the manufacturing issue was resolved, so the supply issues will ease, but it may be a while before DirecTV "officially" loosens the restrictions on them on a national basis.

Any tech with a brain (and proper training on the SWM technology) would prefer to use SWM whenever possible, as it makes his job much easier. But installers have to follow the rules, or nasty backcharges are soon to follow.

[BlueEos]

OK, but is this the "standard" LNB provided free at installation or do you still have to purchase the SWM for $150+ like you used to?

I am thinking of switching from E* but do not wish to pay an extra $150 in order to use a single cable like I can currently with Dish.

I'm a new customer who was recently connected with a 5 LNB antenna and a SWM switch that outputs to 3 TV's. No charge for the antenna or the SWM switch although I did pickup a 2 year commitment. Single line works great. Just like magic.

[Mertzen]

I´ve spoken to sub tech whose bosses refuse to give them SWM since they are provided free but they get compensated for 68´s which they also pick up on the side for less then the compensation. A scam which has been running a long time and still continues. So yeah SWM saves tine but not all techs have access even for qualifying orders.

[ImBack234]

I´ve spoken to sub tech whose bosses refuse to give them SWM since they are provided free but they get compensated for 68´s which they also pick up on the side for less then the compensation. A scam which has been running a long time and still continues. So yeah SWM saves tine but not all techs have access even for qualifying orders.
You got to love D*!!!!!!:rolleyes::eek2:

[RunnerFL]

You got to love D*!!!!!!:rolleyes::eek2:

That has nothing to do with DirecTV, it's the Installation Company making that choice.

[Mike Bertelson]

In summary, the answer is Yes and No.

Yes:
Normally the HR2x need two cables (with two BBCs), one for each tuner. The dish supplies four outputs which allows for four tuners (DVRs count as two)

No:
With Single Wire Multiswitch(SWM) the HR2x needs only one wire to supply both tuners (BBC must NOT be installed). With the SWM LNB(5 or 3) the dish can supply up to eight tuners (DVRs count as two). There is also an SWM8 module which is connected between the dish and receivers. This will allow for legacy receivers(non-SWM compatible).

These are the current SWM compatible receivers.
HR20, HR21, HR21 Pro, HR22, HR23
H20, H21
R22
H23
R16
D12

If you didn't/can't get SWM installed you can purchase and install the hardware yourself. The SWM LNB's can be installed without having to align the dish. Simply unscrew the LNB, disconnect the cables and reconnect to SWM LNB, and then attach the SWM LNB to the arm.

If you're asking about Dish Network DVRs, and it seems as if you are, well, I don't know but maybe one of the Dish could help or try posting in the Dish forum. :grin:

I hope this helps.

Mike

[ImBack234]

That has nothing to do with DirecTV, it's the Installation Company making that choice.

But D* could eliminate the choice and they don't!!!

[Mike Bertelson]

You got to love D*!!!!!!:rolleyes::eek2:

But D* could eliminate the choice and they don't!!!It seems to me that they could only eliminate the choice if every installer has all the right equipment all the time.

If they're out of one component they have to use another.

Further, I don't think DirecTV directly provides equipment to the installer.

Somebody correct me if I’m wrong but are the contracted installers supposed to order their own equipment?

In any case, it sure isn’t cut and dry.

We may want it to be that easy but I don’t think it’s possible.

Otherwise DirecTV would be responsible for supplying hardware to all the contractors. That would require a supply and distribution chain, warehouses, etc. At that point they might as well do it themselves. :rolleyes:

Mike

[Jhon69]

OK, but is this the "standard" LNB provided free at installation or do you still have to purchase the SWM for $150+ like you used to?

I am thinking of switching from E* but do not wish to pay an extra $150 in order to use a single cable like I can currently with Dish.


To me the cheapest way is to have another RG6 line ran.;)