MSNBC To Go HD in June

[Indiana627]

Just an FYI that MSNBC will be going HD on June 29th. I tend to watch when I need a good laugh - I consider this channel the WWE of news.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/msnbc_to_go_hd_in_june_113116.asp

[sigma1914]

Just an FYI that MSNBC will be going HD on June 29th. I tend to watch when I need a good laugh - I consider this channel the WWE of news.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/msnbc_to_go_hd_in_june_113116.asp

Thanks for the info. I won't share what I consider Faux News. ;)

[tecumseh]

Just an FYI that MSNBC will be going HD on June 29th. I tend to watch when I need a good laugh - I consider this channel the WWE of news.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/msnbc_to_go_hd_in_june_113116.asp

Yeah, so I guess that makes Fox the WCW of news, right?

[LCDSpazz]

They should tell Directv they show sports (during the Olympics). Maybe that way they'll actually carry it.

[Stuart Sweet]

A reminder to all, that political discussions are not permitted at DBSTalk, but other discussions of the networks are ok.

[kw2957]

They should tell Directv they show sports (during the Olympics). Maybe that way they'll actually carry it.

Hahaha good one. :lol: Once again, we were let down this week. :mad:

[festivus]

Way to go sigma1914 and tecumseh! I'll leave it at that...

[jared52]

Why assume the OP watches Fox News? Maybe he thinks Olberman is funny?

[WestDC]

more wasted bandwith

[Jeremy W]

Unless News Corp. had already contracted with NBCU to carry this channel, we're not going to see it.

[Ed Campbell]

News Corp? Not any more.

[sdk009]

Unless News Corp. had already contracted with NBCU to carry this channel, we're not going to see it.

I could have sworn the following are NBCU properties currently carried by D*:

CNBC-HD
Bravo-HD
Sci-Fi HD
USA-HD
Universal-HD

[Jeremy W]

News Corp? Not any more.
That's the point...
I could have sworn the following are NBCU properties currently carried by D*
Yes, but that doesn't mean that DirecTV currently has an agreement to carry MSNBC-HD.

[bcampbell]

I like to at least have a choice between the three news channels. Usually go to CNN for breaking news. MSNBC for political news and fox news for news of what the republicans are up to. I have been a little disappointed in MSNBC especially on weekends where they continue to run old documentaries. I was really hoping that when microsoft dropped out they would have blown up the old MSNBC and rebranded it as NBC News Channel and revamp the whole thing. Seems they are doing a few things right with their viewership increasing.

[islesfan]

Just an FYI that MSNBC will be going HD on June 29th. I tend to watch when I need a good laugh - I consider this channel the WWE of news.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/msnbc_to_go_hd_in_june_113116.asp

LOL LOL LOL!!!!

And if a tree falls in the forest, oh well, never mind... (Actually, in fairness, I think MSNBC just passed CNN in total viewership. Nevertheless, it is a pretty low rated channel.)

[Tornillo]

Just an FYI that MSNBC will be going HD on June 29th. I tend to watch when I need a good laugh - I consider this channel the WWE of news.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/msnbc_to_go_hd_in_june_113116.asp

I feel the same way about Fox but I think ALL the news channels should be in HD.

[n3ntj]

[QUOTE=Indiana627;2050965]Just an FYI that MSNBC will be going HD on June 29th. I tend to watch when I need a good laugh - I consider this channel the WWE of news.

Me too.

[Jeremy W]

Given D*'s policy of not announcing anything ahead of time, we probably won't know until 6/29 when the channel goes live.
Given their policy of not adding national HD channels, I can tell you right now that we probably won't have it on 6/29, or anytime soon after that.

[renbutler]

It's surprising that MSNBC is so far behind the times.

[miketorse]

It's surprising that MSNBC is so far behind the times.

I agree. That's a major cable network still without an HD channel.

[Nightfall]

I say great news! The more HD that Directv can get, the better.

[Indiana627]

Sorry for my personal opinion in my original post about my feelings towards this channel. I knew I shouldn't have done it, but it felt good. Despite my personal feelings, I hope this HD channel is added by D* sooner rather than later (along with other missing national HD channels).

[ahintz]

I'll be happy to see MSNBC go HD - that will mean all of the major U.S. news outlets are HD. Now, if we get BBCA to go HD and get BBC World News America in at least 16:9, my news requirements will be complete. :)

[dgordo]

Sorry for my personal opinion in my original post about my feelings towards this channel. I knew I shouldn't have done it, but it felt good. Despite my personal feelings, I hope this HD channel is added by D* sooner rather than later (along with other missing national HD channels).

You have the ability to go back and edit that post.

[dodge boy]

I think this is great, one more step towards my, "I want everyhing in HD" attitude....
As far as a comment on the actual content of this or any other channel, let's say I have no comment... :D

[YKW06]

Is this in 1080? Hope not. They're already the anti-FOX-News content-wise; with KO and now Ed Schultz at super-high hi-def, they now threaten to become FNC's visual antithesis, as well.

Hmmm... at 1080... Courtney Friel... or Rachel Maddow??? :nono2:

[Jeremy W]

Is this in 1080? Hope not.
It will be 1080i, yes.

[hasan]

Is this in 1080? Hope not. They're already the anti-FOX-News content-wise; with KO and now Ed Schultz at super-high hi-def, they now threaten to become FNC's visual antithesis, as well.

Hmmm... at 1080... Courtney Friel... or Rachel Maddow??? :nono2:

I really like having major news channels in HD, period. I hope we get MSNBC in HD. I like Cramer in HD on CNBC. I like having Fareed Zakaria in HD on CNN. For "out there" programming, I'm entertained by some programs on LINK-TV, (like Mosaic, News from the Middle East) ,but its video is among the worst I see from any satellite service, and near zero likelyhood it will go HD.

I find Rachel Maddow clever, insightful and unabashedly doctrinaire. Her interview with Colin Powell this week was incredibly interesting (but not necessarily due to her observations). I could listen to Powell for hours...I just wish he didn't look like he weighed about 350 (due to me stretching the pix instead of viewing it OAR). I almost got night terrors from the picture! (I know, my own fault) Sorry...I digress.

The more HD the better. The more diversity in viewpoints, the better. Fox is well established and has great video. With Fox, CNN and MSNBC, and a sprinkling of LINK-TV, we ought to be able to form some sort of reasonable opinions about what may or may not be going on.:)

The real danger is "true belief" in any of our news sources.

I was reminded of how little I really know about anything today, listening to the radio. ESPN sports was touting the deal making and bargaining going on for the disaffected QB of Denver, Cutler. I heard that the Redskins and Jets were in the running big time, with a passive reference to the Bears. I laughed, "Sure, the Bears...Right....we haven't had a decent QB in 15 years, and we never seem to want to spend any money, Fat Chance!" Seconds later, announcers were dumbfounded to announce that Cutler had been traded to the Bears for (2) #1, (1) #3, and our hometown boy (Des Moines, IA area) Kyle Orten. Unbelievable. Not possible.

The point being, for all our preferences, biases and semi-informed opinions, we tend to be little more cognizant of the "big picture", than I was of the possibility of da Bears getting Cutler. It was a sobering lesson in "you really don't have a clue".

So let's be tolerant of each others' differences and be happy for those who are pleasantly surprised by the potential for another HD channel to come our way.

[ChrisPC]

Seems they are doing a few things right with their viewership increasing.

They moved from fourth place to third! :lol:

[Devo1237]

The more diversity in viewpoints, the better. Fox is well established and has great video. With Fox, CNN and MSNBC, and a sprinkling of LINK-TV, we ought to be able to form some sort of reasonable opinions about what may or may not be going on.:)

The real danger is "true belief" in any of our news sources.


Holy moly! Someone on the internet who actually thinks for themself and doesn't blindly follow their "side." Now I've seen everything! Bravo, Hasan!

[dodge boy]

Now if we could get a real news channel on Directv like a 24/7 BBC News Channel.

Try Link TV (375)... Very informative and non-comercial...

[man_rob]

Somehow I doubt that DirecTV customers will see this channel in HD until next year, but maybe they will surprise us.

[jimmyv2000]

I think Directv's goal to get all their Markets they serve ready for Digital locals SD and HD by June. And maybe add a few more.

So knock on wood we may see this channel on or shortly after the 29th. :D

I 'll beleive it when i see it go live.

[tvjay]

I can not wait to see MSNBC in HD. It is one of only two channels I watch that is not HD (the other being DIY).

[Ron Barry]

Ok guys.. lets try to keep away from the political aspects of the channel and stick to the HD related discussion. I have removed a number of posts that went down that road and I apologize if I took out any posts that might be a relevant posts that quoted posts I removed but I don't have the time to do a clean up.

Thanks for your understanding.

[tvjay]

more wasted bandwith

Why is this a waste of bandwidth? TBS with stretch-o-vision is a waste of bandwidth. CNN with 4:3 programming is a waste of bandwidth. Don't even get me started on MTV. IF (and that is a big IF because I don't like MSNBC but only watch for one program) MSNBC fills it with HD programming, it will be a better channel than most of the other channels out that in terms of bandwidth usage.

[mreposter]

If I remember correctly, this was originally planned for last fall but like many other NBC/Universal HD launches, was pushed off due to corporate budget cuts.

[Nick]

The GM of my local cableco told me last year that they were expecting MSNBC
to HD in Q1, but as of this morning I haven't seen it. I'll drop him a note.

Admin note: The topic of MSNBC going HD is of a wider interest than just D*
such that this thread should be moved to a neutral corner, er, forum. :sure:

[ShawnL25]

Why is this a waste of bandwidth? TBS with stretch-o-vision is a waste of bandwidth. CNN with 4:3 programming is a waste of bandwidth. Don't even get me started on MTV. IF (and that is a big IF because I don't like MSNBC but only watch for one program) MSNBC fills it with HD programming, it will be a better channel than most of the other channels out that in terms of bandwidth usage.


TBS no longer stretches all 4:3 content as of last month they now piller box 4:3 commercials. More to the point we should have this channel sometime in 2010

[Stuart Sweet]

I've cleaned up several comments. Remember... no political comments.

[Tom Robertson]

It's surprising that MSNBC is so far behind the times.

My guess is two fold: 1) as they learned more about HD from CNBC (and others) it wasn't a trivial switch to make; coupled with 2) costs and cost delaying. I'm sure they really, really wanted to cover the election in HD, but when that wasn't possible, they decided to take their time to do it right (and spread the cost.) :)

Hasan, (aside from your OAR goof) your post was brilliant. Thank you.

Cheers,
Tom

[Jeremy W]

TBS no longer stretches all 4:3 content as of last month they now piller box 4:3 commercials.
The programming is what's important, and that's still stretched. Who cares what they do to commercials, aside from the advertisers?

[Rakul]

My guess is two fold: 1) as they learned more about HD from CNBC (and others) it wasn't a trivial switch to make; coupled with 2) costs and cost delaying. I'm sure they really, really wanted to cover the election in HD, but when that wasn't possible, they decided to take their time to do it right (and spread the cost.) :)

Hasan, (aside from your OAR goof) your post was brilliant. Thank you.

Cheers,
Tom

I think your exactly right if I remember the quote from last year. MSNBC said they wanted to do it right and if they rushed to have it ready for November it would just be half-way done.

Personally I can't wait for this in HD to round out the set of news channels, it pains me to switch to any SD station now that I am spoiled.

[tvjay]

The programming is what's important, and that's still stretched. Who cares what they do to commercials, aside from the advertisers?

Glad you said it, because Home Improvement everyday at noon is still stretched and it looks like CRAP!

[MrDad0330]

Considering the very low ratings of MSNBC, id rather see "D" allocate its resources to bring on some of their customers still without HD locals. I am not one of them fortunately but I feel for my other "D" friends still waiting

[Jeremy W]

Considering the very low ratings of MSNBC, id rather see "D" allocate its resources to bring on some of their customers still without HD locals. I am not one of them fortunately but I feel for my other "D" friends still waiting
Bringing local channels online requires far more resources than bringing a national channel online.

[tvjay]

Considering the very low ratings of MSNBC, id rather see "D" allocate its resources to bring on some of their customers still without HD locals. I am not one of them fortunately but I feel for my other "D" friends still waiting

Low ratings? Please show your source? Last time I heard (which was last week) MSNBC beat CNN in primetime and we have had CNN in HD for along time now.

[phatmatt1215]

When did MSNBC become a "mostly politics" station? At least it seems like it, anyway.

[RLMesq]

I have been a little disappointed in MSNBC especially on weekends where they continue to run old documentaries. I was really hoping that when microsoft dropped out they would have blown up the old MSNBC and rebranded it as NBC News Channel and revamp the whole thing.

There's already an NBC NewsChannel, but it isn't carried by any cable or satellite providers because it's the direct feed of news video for affiliate stations. NewsChannel operates out of Charlotte, NC and used produce an overnight newscast about 15 ago.

[stlmike]

MSNBC has more viewers than CNN, Golf Channel, Travel Channel, NFL Network, Nat Geo, Bio, Versus, Speed (I'm sure I missed others). All those channels are carried in HD already by D*

To say they are low rated is inaccurate, per the April 2009 ratings.

[dodge boy]

A reminder to all, that political discussions are not permitted at DBSTalk, but other discussions of the networks are ok.

Yeah these posts go down hill real fast...

[Steveknj]

When did MSNBC become a "mostly politics" station? At least it seems like it, anyway.


It's been that way since the 2008 election news kicked off, probably before that, but I tend to watch the news stations more during the national election cycles. Anyway, it's probably a smart strategy for them, to be the "Anti" FNC. Especially with the country leaning more left than it had the last 8 years. Their ratings have certainly picked up. And with them going HD, it will probably pick up more as well.

I think D* will end up carrying it, since the have the rest of the NBCU suite of channels in HD already.

[dhines]

i never realized how infrequently i watched MSNBC (as i prefer fox), but i was shocked at the poor quality of the video when i tuned in last week. good to hear that they are finally coming out with a HD product. i am not very optimistic about seeing MSNBC in HD anytime soon (on directv) . . . as i would think the HBO's of the world would be a higher priority.

btw, people . . . is it really that hard to post on a channel without involving political bashing? i have my obvious opinions on MSNBC, but here is not the time or place. it would be nice to see folks respect the rules of the forum. bottom line, have a little respect and stop acting like children.

steveknj --

is MSNBC really gaining ground? i had heard rumblings that they were doing so poorly that there was doubt they would be around much longer. btw, my take is quite different than yours on obama being good for MSNBC. i personally believe that the media outlets which are opposite the mainstream view tend to gain (in viewship). that being said, i expect FNC to benefit from the obama policies and the general lean towards the left. but, that is just .02 . . . not intended to be stated as cold hard fact, just an opinion.

[Steveknj]

i never realized how infrequently i watched MSNBC (as i prefer fox), but i was shocked at the poor quality of the video when i tuned in last week. good to hear that they are finally coming out with a HD product. i am not very optimistic about seeing MSNBC in HD anytime soon (on directv) . . . as i would think the HBO's of the world would be a higher priority.

btw, people . . . is it really that hard to post on a channel without involving political bashing? i have my obvious opinions on MSNBC, but here is not the time or place. it would be nice to see folks respect the rules of the forum. bottom line, have a little respect and stop acting like children.

steveknj --

is MSNBC really gaining ground? i had heard rumblings that they were doing so poorly that there was doubt they would be around much longer. btw, my take is quite different than yours on obama being good for MSNBC. i personally believe that the media outlets which are opposite the mainstream view tend to gain (in viewship). that being said, i expect FNC to benefit from the obama policies and the general lean towards the left. but, that is just .02 . . . not intended to be stated as cold hard fact, just an opinion.

Without trying to be too political, I always thought that too, until Fox did so well WHILE their political bent agreed the party in power. I have always contended that the reason Rush Limbaugh became so popular was a direct result of his opposition to Clinton. It certainly would make for more compelling broadcasts. But I think that today, people tend to tune in to what they agree to.

MSNBC was in trouble a few years back, but they've recently even overtaken CNN as number 2 to Fox. Not sure if that's all Obamamania and it will level off, but they HAVE become more of a Fox-left so perhaps that is their strategy to maintain.

As for what D* will do, I would think that MSNBC in HD would be broadcast a lot sooner than the HBOs which we've been fighting for ad naseum for years. Is there any word on HBO2 and so forth going HD in the near future?

[DodgerKing]

You have the ability to go back and edit that post.

What's the point after others have quoted it?

[DodgerKing]

...I just wish he didn't look like he weighed about 350 (due to me stretching the pix instead of viewing it OAR). I almost got night terrors from the picture! (I know, my own fault) Sorry...I digress.

Why not just leave it in it OAR?

[DodgerKing]

Without trying to be too political, I always thought that too, until Fox did so well WHILE their political bent agreed the party in power. I have always contended that the reason Rush Limbaugh became so popular was a direct result of his opposition to Clinton. It certainly would make for more compelling broadcasts. But I think that today, people tend to tune in to what they agree to.

MSNBC was in trouble a few years back, but they've recently even overtaken CNN as number 2 to Fox. Not sure if that's all Obamamania and it will level off, but they HAVE become more of a Fox-left so perhaps that is their strategy to maintain.

As for what D* will do, I would think that MSNBC in HD would be broadcast a lot sooner than the HBOs which we've been fighting for ad naseum for years. Is there any word on HBO2 and so forth going HD in the near future?

They did not take the number 2 spot necessarily due to their increase in ratings, but more due to CNNs decrease in ratings. FNCs ratings increased even more, often having more viewers than both CNN and MSNBC combined. The difference in viewership between FNC and the #2 MSNBC is greater than the past difference between FNC and the #2 CNN.

[mystic7]

I just read the other day that things are so bad at MSNBC that they're actually renting out a large portion of their building to a local college's media arts department.

[Nick]

Not hardly.

MSNBC recently vacated temporary digs in NJ to occupy space at 30 Rock along with NBC. The rental space to which you refer is the vacated NJ property which they still lease or own.

[SatliteHD]

I am sorry to say this but Directv is really starting to bug me with all the hd that is not available to us. Yeah I know the mighty D-12. How do we know if Directv will give us much of nothing again? Its very sad at best.

[DodgerKing]

I am sorry to say this but Directv is really starting to bug me with all the hd that is not available to us. Yeah I know the mighty D-12. How do we know if Directv will give us much of nothing again? Its very sad at best.

How do you know we wont get it?

[Jeremy W]

How do you know we wont get it?
That's true, we have been getting every new HD channel as it comes out.

[SatliteHD]

That's true, we have been getting every new HD channel as it comes out.


Well because I personally don't believe we will get it on D-11. I hope I am wrong.

[Athlon646464]

Not hardly.

MSNBC recently vacated temporary digs in NJ to occupy space at 39 Rock along with NBC. The rental space to which you refer is the vacated NJ property which they still lease or own.
http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=368395

"MSNBC Can’t Make It’s Rent On Headquarters, Currently Looking For A Roommate"

Tough times for NBC...

[Athlon646464]

Ratings?

Here's the latest:

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/april_ratings_fnc_beats_cnn_and_msnbc_combined_115 179.asp

Could be why they've waited to spend millions on studio upgrades & equipment....

[stlmike]

Ratings?

Here's the latest:

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/april_ratings_fnc_beats_cnn_and_msnbc_combined_115 179.asp

Could be why they've waited to spend millions on studio upgrades & equipment....

Here is my reference ratings: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/29/2009-vs-2008-april-cable-tv-network-18-49-ratings-the-n-fox-news-biggest-gainers-history-international-biography-biggest-losers/17690#more-17690

It shows MSNBC up 19% year-over-year in prime-time viewers 18-49. Not sure they need to pack up and go home any time soon.

And it seems per this post that several studios have been HD-ready since 2007: http://the1080phd.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/msnbc-sets-a-date-for-hdtv-broadcasts-june-29/

[Steveknj]

Here is my reference ratings: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/29/2009-vs-2008-april-cable-tv-network-18-49-ratings-the-n-fox-news-biggest-gainers-history-international-biography-biggest-losers/17690#more-17690

It shows MSNBC up 19% year-over-year in prime-time viewers 18-49. Not sure they need to pack up and go home any time soon.

And it seems per this post that several studios have been HD-ready since 2007: http://the1080phd.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/msnbc-sets-a-date-for-hdtv-broadcasts-june-29/

Could also be they could get MORE viewers bumping up to HD. I watch MSNBC occasionally as I like Chris Matthews and Keith Obbermann. But it's really hard choosing that network when I could watch CNN (or Fox, although I'm not a fan of their content), in HD. This was especially true on election day. I probably would have watched a lot of MSNBC, but stuck with CNN or the broadcast networks that night, because they WERE in HD. I would bet MSNBC gets a BUMP in their ratings once they go HD.

[stlmike]

Could also be they could get MORE viewers bumping up to HD. I watch MSNBC occasionally as I like Chris Matthews and Keith Obbermann. But it's really hard choosing that network when I could watch CNN (or Fox, although I'm not a fan of their content), in HD. This was especially true on election day. I probably would have watched a lot of MSNBC, but stuck with CNN or the broadcast networks that night, because they WERE in HD. I would bet MSNBC gets a BUMP in their ratings once they go HD.

Good thought!! It would be interesting to compare the ratings right after the other networks went to HD. I totally agree with you on the PQ issue.

[ub1934]

Just an FYI that MSNBC will be going HD on June 29th. I tend to watch when I need a good laugh - I consider this channel the WWE of news.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/msnbc_to_go_hd_in_june_113116.asp

Not as funny as FOX Noise :D

[Piratefan98]

If you're unable, as it appears, to keep politics out of the dialogue .... maybe it's time to sign up for a political web-board?

Now get back on topic. Or else. ;)

Helpful Jeff

[TheRatPatrol]

My prediction is, we will get MSNBC HD on date of launch with 2 or 3 other HD channels, then have to wait on D12 for the rest.

(And no I don't know anything, thats just my guess). :)

[Athlon646464]

My prediction is, we will get MSNBC HD on date of launch with 2 or 3 other HD channels, then have to wait on D12 for the rest.

(And no I don't know anything, thats just my guess). :)
Although I'm not a fan of the channel, I would like everything in HD! When FNC went HD, we didn't get it for months on D* (although most of the delay was not D*'s fault).

I hope you are correct, but history says otherwise.

;)

[CoachGibbs]

My prediction is, we will get MSNBC HD on date of launch with 2 or 3 other HD channels, then have to wait on D12 for the rest.

(And no I don't know anything, thats just my guess). :)

Considering MSNBC is not a PPV or a RSN channel I seriously doubt it.

[506PIR]

Giant yawn

[dubber deux]

Try Link TV (375)... Very informative and non-comercial...


Excellent suggestion. I highly recommend the one hour of news on there called Democracy Now.

Link has the most unbiased content on major media outlets.

I really used to like MSNBC a few years or so ago because they genuinely seemed to be unbiased about reporting the news they weren't of the Demopublican stripe. But very independent heck many times they actually gave the Constitutional, Libertarians, and Green + others a voice as well. Now MSNBC is the Democratic party network and Faux is the Republican newtork. CNN is somewhat objective, yet only Lou Dobbs seems to be an independent voice their as well. Oddly, that obnoxious Glenn Beck on Faux News has been given some room to talk about the "one party system" we have in the USA. Heck he even had a Ron Paul supporter (regular joe) in the audience about the tea parties recently mention the constitution party and how we need to get back to our forefather's values when it came to government. Wow I wonder why the powers that be are allowing this now. During the election Ron Paul couldn't get any exposure even though he had wide support accross the country. I wonder why?...censorship???.

[GregLee]

During the election Ron Paul couldn't get any exposure even though he had wide support accross the country. I wonder why?...censorship???.
Boredom.

[dubber deux]

Boredom.

If stuff like this is boring I want more. Interesting you think the values of the Founding fathers and Constitution are boring?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHLnP8VuoV4

More boring I like....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54WFoV-veCM

[Nick]

For some peeps, if it's not a video game, in comic books or on cartoons, it's boring.
To my mind, it's these loser types who are the most boring people on Earth. :rolleyes:

[dubber deux]

For some peeps, if it's not a video game, in comic books or on cartoons, it's boring.
To my mind, it's these loser types who are the most boring people on Earth. :rolleyes:

Scarey thought that there are so many zombies walking around without a clue. But you could say that they have been "conditioned" and patterened to behave in such a fashion.


The interesting thing is that even according to major media polls during the mid and latter part of the election campaign Ron Paul was leading all other so called Reps. I still have to say that the pres. election is probably rigged and hasn't been honest for many decades.

[Jeremy W]

What does any of this have to do with MSNBC HD?

[dubber deux]

What does any of this have to do with MSNBC HD?


We may have drifted away from the specific topic of MSNBC HD but it is pertenent because if you were following the thread (were you?) I was writing about the informational content of the network and how it has changed. Honestly HD won't make the informational quality of a news channel significantly better, if anything all the major cable news channels in the USA have become worse than ever with more infotainment than actual hard news, and that is a shame.

I think the banner for Glen Beck says it best about ALL the news channels " A FUSION of entertainment and enlightenment" . ...Is that so?

[Jeremy W]

We may have drifted away from the specific topic of MSNBC HD but it is pertenent
You were talking about Ron Paul and censorship, and then you posted a couple videos from Fox News. It's not pertinent, it's all political talk that doesn't belong here.

[ajc68]

Since D* hasn't even gone live with several of the channels they supposedly have HD deals with prior to D11, I doubt we would see this until D12. But that being said, I'm starting to think we won't see much of anything at all until D* is sold. I get the feeling we'll be in a holding pattern on a lot of things until that happens. I sure hope I'm wrong about this...

[Jeremy W]

I'm starting to think we won't see much of anything at all until D* is sold. I get the feeling we'll be in a holding pattern on a lot of things until that happens. I sure hope I'm wrong about this...
I doubt you're wrong. I just hope that DirecTV gets sold to a good company (i.e. Verizon and not AT&T) and that it happens quickly.

[dodge boy]

We may have drifted away from the specific topic of MSNBC HD but it is pertenent because if you were following the thread (were you?) I was writing about the informational content of the network and how it has changed. Honestly HD won't make the informational quality of a news channel significantly better, if anything all the major cable news channels in the USA have become worse than ever with more infotainment than actual hard news, and that is a shame.

I think the banner for Glen Beck says it best about ALL the news channels " A FUSION of entertainment and enlightenment" . ...Is that so?

No enlightenment at all..... All of the Corporate media is terrible.....

I watch Link TV and news shows like Democracy Now! and Mosaic to find out what's really going on in the world.

[Stuart Sweet]

Folks, this is your first and last warning...

Please keep to the topic of MSNBC going HD. I've already cleaned up several off topic posts and if you cannot have a polite conversation about this topic, one that does not delve into politics, I will reluctantly close this thread.

[TheRatPatrol]

Since D* hasn't even gone live with several of the channels they supposedly have HD deals with prior to D11, I doubt we would see this until D12. But that being said, I'm starting to think we won't see much of anything at all until D* is sold. I get the feeling we'll be in a holding pattern on a lot of things until that happens. I sure hope I'm wrong about this...
Which channels do they have HD deals that they haven't gone live with?

I doubt you're wrong. I just hope that DirecTV gets sold to a good company (i.e. Verizon and not AT&T) and that it happens quickly.
I agree.

[HDRoberts]

Well, word is that at the Dish Network Team Summit (retailer/installer convention), they announced MSNBC would come on release day. So the competition will have it.

[CoachGibbs]

Which channels do they have HD deals that they haven't gone live with?

HBO/Cinemax and I think Hallmark. These deals were likely set up by the previous owners though so knowing Liberty they probably wanted to renegotiate and pay less for the channels so Malone could get richer while his customers get nothing.

[CoachGibbs]

I doubt you're wrong. I just hope that DirecTV gets sold to a good company (i.e. Verizon and not AT&T) and that it happens quickly.

Agreed on both counts.

[WestDC]

I doubt you're wrong. I just hope that DirecTV gets sold to a good company (i.e. Verizon and not AT&T) and that it happens quickly.

Spoken by someone who has never had to work for either of these outfits or deal with service trouble shooting problems :lol:

[mreposter]

If NBC/Universal is moving ahead with MSNBC-HD, maybe they'll launch Chiller and Sleuth HD later this year. October 2008 was the original plan, October 2009 would be a nice alternative.

[SatliteHD]

HBO/Cinemax and I think Hallmark. These deals were likely set up by the previous owners though so knowing Liberty they probably wanted to renegotiate and pay less for the channels so Malone could get richer while his customers get nothing.


I know I feel like TCI was raised from the dead!
The FCC and such should hae never let John Malone in when
we all know the history of TCI which gave the least channels and
high price! TCI had the most horrible service I ever seen.

[Jeremy W]

Spoken by someone who has never had to work for either of these outfits or deal with service trouble shooting problems :lol:
You'll find someone with a bad thing to say about any company. I'm not concerned with that.

[Steveknj]

Maybe it's not appropriate for this thread, but I'll ask anyway. Anyone know what it takes to "convert" a channel from SD to HD? I am guessing it's not as simple as to start recording your shows with an HD camera!! To this day, it surprises me that ALL networks just don't flip the switch and go HD. Heck, if they don't have the content, they could do what TBS did until they do, and just use "psudo" HD. I would think it's cheaper and cheaper to make the switch as the technology is more prevelent.

[Jeremy W]

Anyone know what it takes to "convert" a channel from SD to HD?
In short, they have to replace every piece of equipment in the studio and build a new transmission chain, as well as secure new transmission paths to distribute their HD signal. That's why switches to HD routinely occur with a switch to a whole new studio.

[Steveknj]

In short, they have to replace every piece of equipment in the studio and build a new transmission chain, as well as secure new transmission paths to distribute their HD signal. That's why switches to HD routinely occur with a switch to a whole new studio.

Got it, I knew it couldn't be easy :)

[dhines]

Excellent suggestion. I highly recommend the one hour of news on there called Democracy Now.

Link has the most unbiased content on major media outlets.

I really used to like MSNBC a few years or so ago because they genuinely seemed to be unbiased about reporting the news they weren't of the Demopublican stripe. But very independent heck many times they actually gave the Constitutional, Libertarians, and Green + others a voice as well. Now MSNBC is the Democratic party network and Faux is the Republican newtork. CNN is somewhat objective, yet only Lou Dobbs seems to be an independent voice their as well. Oddly, that obnoxious Glenn Beck on Faux News has been given some room to talk about the "one party system" we have in the USA. Heck he even had a Ron Paul supporter (regular joe) in the audience about the tea parties recently mention the constitution party and how we need to get back to our forefather's values when it came to government. Wow I wonder why the powers that be are allowing this now. During the election Ron Paul couldn't get any exposure even though he had wide support accross the country. I wonder why?...censorship???.

not sure this post belongs in this thread . . . guys, try to stick to the topic. what is it about Fox news, MSNBC and CNN . . . :confused:

[Araxen]

Kind of hard when the first post of the thread is a political slam.

[Ron Barry]

Closed Thread until team has time to discuss if it should be re-opened. At a minimum it needs some political clean up.