Here are the new channels you will get Jan 1

Be sure to take a look at the channel chart over at the EKB. It shows the upcomming must carry local channels and where they will be (channel #, transpoder, etc.). The new channels are shaded in green in the 8000 block.

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Anyone else ticked off about the price of their locals going up wiht or without any substantial addition to their package due to must carry? Some cities are getting several new channels that might make it owrthwhile, but I'm only getting a PBS added, which I don't even care about. SO my bill will be going up $1 because of 1 channel I don't even watch. Thanks Charlie! Anyone else in this situation?

So now some cities will have a lot more channels than others but all paying the same price. What a crock of crap. Time to bust out my bill and see when my commitment is up....

Personally I don't mind the $1.00 increase. I am getting about 5 extra channels on one LOL and about 4 on the other. Personally you really can't blame Charlie for raising the prices ... they are matching D* and he was really forced by law to add the channels.

That's like saying your bill is going up $1 because he has to add more public interest channels. How would you feel about that? I don't think it's fair that my LIL pkg only has x number of channels when JimBob's LIL pkg has 10 for the same price. And you want to compare DTV with Dish? OK - how many L.A. locals will Dish have and how many is DirecTV getting? Same price for Dish even with fewer channels. Charlie is price matching again....so much for him being the low price giver.

AT100 pkg same price as Direct but fewer channels. Dish is longer the best price/best value for the money. They've matched DTV's prices for fewer channels. Nice going Chuck!

I like the channel selection .. I am getting a couple new UPN's, a couple more WB's, some independents (KMSP of Minneapolis carries some sports) and only an increase of $2.00 for 2 different LOL's. At the same time I can now drop the Superstation package and in the long run break even or even save. I can scream that 5 states in the south get Turner South but oh well thats their luck. I get 3 sports channels in my RSN package that gives me non-blackout sports ... most people only get one .. if any. Personally I will spend more to get more ... as long as it is a good value to me. It's nice to have some choice.

I can't believe Dish is getting rid(or i heard not their fault) 10 Fox Sports Nets. I have directv as well as dish. But for those who just have dish you can't your teams play on your regional sports channel. Mine would fox sports north(436). Do we get credit for losing som of those channels? I'm so sick of this bs about newer channels,locals not everyone will get,unless you live in large area. Small markets won't get nothing. Why doesn't charlie bring channels some people would enjoy. maybe dish could upgrade their dsih distant broadcast channels. They have 6 cities now. Expand to more,like Minneapolis. Does anyone ever watch their sports channels?

I saw this on TV tonight while I was at work. Didnt get the full grasp of the announcement, but The Pacers and Dish has some sort of promotion or contest in the Indy area. I laughed when I saw that because Dish is actually thinking of taking off FOX Sports Midwest and they have no plans to add WTTV-4 (Charlie says TTV 4 is asking for too much money. Gee...Charlie sounds like a stuck record alot). So, imagine this: Dish and Pacers in a promotion and Dish wont have any Pacers games on TV if FSMW and TTV-4 are off. Ironic, doncha think :D .

Id have to say that Dish, IMHO, wont credit ya for any channels taken away from the RSN package. Their attitude will be that you either accept the package as it is or cancel the subscription of the package. Charlie said in a Chat a few years ago that he thought that the RSN package was worthless, but because people asked for it, "You got it".

I am a former Dish sub and I did sub to the RSNs package when I had Dish for almost 2 years. It was cool that I had those channels to choose from, but when it was time to watch pro sports...thats where it was very frustrating. The only teams I could get were the Indiana Pacers and the Cincinnati Reds. Thats all!!! However, with DirecTV...I can get Indiana Pacers, Cincinnati Reds, Chicago Cubs, Chicago Blackhawks, and Chicago White Sox and thats because DirecTV says they are the teams in my viewing area.

I do watch my sports channel (my RSN is Fox Sports Cincinnati) alot. Its recommended viewing for me. I watch FOX Boxing, Jim Rome, NFL This Morning, the Reds, etc on FSCincy. If Charlie decided to yank that channel off and I had no other way to watch the Reds baseball outside of ESPN and ABC, I would yank my Dish subscription and go to the greener pastures of DirecTV. The one thing that frightens me is that what if Charlie does this for when the merger gets approved. Imagine that....a DBS provider without sports. I feel like Al Pacino in Godfather Part 3, where he says that he thought he was out of the Mafia, but they are pulling him back in. In other words, I thought I could get away from the "Second Place" Dish Network and stay with DirecTV. Now I am feeling myself being pulled back in. :(

Chris, thanks for the plug.

I'm certain more channels will show up this coming week. I've been getting a ton of help on the info itself. Scans of all four locations are being done on a regular basis to see if anything new is going up. For the last two weeks, there have been substantive changes being made nearly every day. I appreciate all the help I can get on gathering the information. If anyone has any additional verifiable info or corrections, please feel free to e-mail me about it. The e-mail link is on the bottom of the EKB52 page listed above.

I just hope no too much goes on during Christmas weekend! I'm having a ton of family over. :)

See ya
Tony

You are very welcomed Tony. I've been seeing a lot of speculation on other forums (which will remain nameless) about which channels will be going up. Your chart shows to be the most accurate and up to date. Thanks for all of your hard work.

I think that's what I'm saying, GopherScott - you're in a unique position to where you are going to get your money's worth due to the channel additions you're getting. But many (maybe most) of us aren't going to get anything to justify the $1 increase. And how some markets have more channels than others (lack of ABC or UPN in some cities) just isn't fair - but to jack up the price? That's not right.

And when people compare the increase to that of DTV's LIL prices - DTV's price isn't going up for these (that I'm aware of) and they have twice as many channels in their LIL in some cases). It's not an equal comparison, and makes Dish look even worse!

For this or any forum to be taken seriously there has to be some dialog without always threatening to quit.
(Time to bust out my bill and see when my commitment is up....)

Because Dish has been cheaper by $1.00 over DTV your now going to trash them because they are raising the price to what DTV currently is now? We've been saving that dollar for some time now. Be glad we did. With the must carry and the imposed inclusion of PBS I don't think it is unreasonable that Dish has to raise the price by a dollar. And unless you can run a private system for just yourself, you have to get programming from some company, and thus get what the general public is getting or wants from that company.

As I stated in another post here, only those who now subscribe to the locals but not PBS will see an increase, and most will be getting more channels than before.

While you will get no argument from me that Dish has made some mistakes - some with hardware issues and public relations(Dishplayer) and some with how current subscribers were treated about getting updated equipment (better now) in general they of course want to give what most of its subscribers want or they would go out of business. Perhaps because Charlie talks about these issues in some detail on Charlie Chat some tend to pick on him, where as most other providers just change programming or prices with little fanfare. Where has all the negative comments been about DTV charging $1.00 more than Dish for locals or charging more for some packages?

You're missing the point. I'm complaining for a couple reasons:

1) the price is going up with nothing of value being added
2) Now the LIL price for Dish is matching the LIL price for DTV, but the DTV locals will have a LOT more must carry channels added

And yes, I vote wiht my dollar. This isn't the only issue causing me to see when my commitment is up. The pkg I have may be loosing channels (Fox Fam, ESPN Classic, FOX RSN?) at the end of the year, but do you think my price will go down? No. SO I'd be paying a dollar more and getting less. Gee - kind sounds like cable, doesn't it? Hmmm.................

So that this doesn't become a feud between us, I will not keep replying after this. And of course, as I am, you have a right to your opinion.
You said;
1) the price is going up with nothing of value being added

This can only be a personal judgement call of course, but for most getting extra local channels that they cannot now get will be worth it. For many, they already get PBS so there will be NO price increase. I can tell you that in the state of Connecticut (When added) people would probably pay even more to get local PBS because they carry Uconn Women's basketball - very very popular there. And the local channel 20 carries Men's Basketball, equally as popular and on a channel not easy to get with an antenna in many parts of the state.

You said;
2) Now the LIL price for Dish is matching the LIL price for DTV, but the DTV locals will have a LOT more must carry channels added

In the markets where this may occur, it would be because for whatever reason Dish was not served with the must carry for some stations and DTV was. Neither is carrying extra locals without having to. (See recent articles about DTV fighting some stations as well as Dish)More than likely even without a merger, both will carry the same stations after awhile. But you said you are not getting any extra stations except PBS. I would be interested what area your in and if DTV is adding stations there and Dish is not adding any. Very unlilkely that situation would last long.

You said;

And yes, I vote wiht my dollar. This isn't the only issue causing me to see when my commitment is up. The pkg I have may be loosing channels (Fox Fam, ESPN Classic, FOX RSN?) at the end of the year, but do you think my price will go down? No. SO I'd be paying a dollar more and getting less. Gee - kind sounds like cable, doesn't it? Hmmm.................

Point well taken about voting with your dollar, but by my calculations it will still be overall slightly more expensive with DTV depending on what you have, and here, much more expensive with a far worse picture on cable. There have been many many businesses that undercut the competition only to go out of business because they were not charging enough. Remember, the program providers have a huge say in what Dish/DTV charge by what they charge them. And apparently the progam providers don't give the same deal to everyone. There is a good discussion of just this topic at the "other forum" under "Ergen threatens to drop networks" You can be sure Dish isn't taking lightly dropping ESPN classics, but if it means having to raise rates, won't you be the first to threaten to drop their service? You would be paying more with getting nothing more. The Fox RSN thing seems to be a very separate issue if you have been reading the press on it and probably will be resolved.

Thanks for the debate!

Be sure to take another look at the chart listed at the top of this thread. Some locals will be placed at 61.5 indicated in purple.

echostar.swiki.net/52 (http://echostar.swiki.net/52)

Brian,

Dish's moves with these two channels is making my DirecTV system look much nicer....

BTW, DirecTV is giving me both FS Cincy & FS Midwest as part of TC. I live just south of Geist resevoir and north of Pendleton Pike inside Marion County.

Dish is also not putting on WHMB-40 and also WTBU-69. What is WTBU? Picture BBC America programming and you have an idea of what the channel is. The only two channels that Dish are adding on Jan 1st that is new in the Indy locals is WFYI-20 and WNDY-23.

I have already persuaded a relative to drop his Dish for DirecTV. I will be going today to a Christmas dinner and I am sure I will be asked many questions about DirecTV. Its funny though, he was originally going to get DirecTV, but was told by a friend at Laco Electronics here in Pendleton that Dish is so much better than DirecTV, especially in sports. Well, he is very unhappy about his Dish and will get DirecTV as soon as his contract runs out Jan 2nd.

Its very ironic about Dish and Pacers. Dish and the Pacers have a promotion (I saw a commercial on TTV-4 during a Pacers road game a week ago) and here Dish is thinking of dropping FSMW and also refuses to add TTV-4 (Chuckles says that TTV-4 wants too much money). So this will mean no Pacers games on TV unless a there is a Pacers game on TBS, TNT, and NBC (However, Pacers home games would be normally be blacked out on TNT, and TBS). This makes me so happy and fortunate that I have a DirecTV sub. I was a Dish sub for almost two years, but had enough of Charlie's lying and BS, bad experiences with CSR's (One even refused to cancel my subscription even though I didnt have a contract. Okay, I was a Dish fool paying almost 1000 dollars for hardware and hardware updates), and hardware that was crashing and freezing everyday for the almost 2 years I was a sub. It was my usual routine....everynight I pull access card out....pull card in...reboot.........freeze here.... crash here. Everyday it was like this..even with hardware swaps. By the way, how many freezes or crashes have I had with my DirecTivo and DirecTVPlus receivers??? Give ya a hint: The Fixx did a song called "Saved by.......".

I have seen you post quite a bit on this topic, and a LOT of your stuff is rumors, unfounded criticism, or just plain blind shots at Dish. WTBU and WHMB ARE being added to Dish Network, but they will be at 61.5. This is according to WTBU and WHMB themselves. Please get information before you go on your tirades.

Okay, tell me what I am telling is of rumors?? If its about Fox RSNs, that had been discussed by other people besides myself. I went according to the Echostar Swiki website and I did not see WHMB and WTBU on that list. All I saw was WFYI and WNDY being at the 110 while Channel 4 was being put under dispute.

By the way, some of the stuff on here is based on my experiences as a former Dish subscriber.

My criticisms of Dish goes way back to when I had a Dishplayer 2 years ago. Everyday I was a Dish subscriber, all I got was crashes and freezes. How would you feel if your hardware did that to you everyday??? My experiences are not unique. I have read posts after posts about people having bad experiences with their Dish PVR 501 and even in the past with the Dishplayer. I guess things would be different if I made criticisms about DirecTV, right? If I did that, youd be in total agreement with me. Sorry if you disagree with me about my critiques about Dish, but I am sure you'll find other people in total agreement with me in here and in the DBS Forums.

Hey, Ray...congratulations!! The one thing I wonder is how much time it will take to get Dish to add TTV-4. As you and I know, Indiana is a big sports state, where basketball is king. I am sure that television stations will be reporting on the Must Carry LILs being added in the next few days and I am sure that a big mention will be DirecTV adding Channel 4. Afterall, Indiana is a big basketball state and any channel that has Indiana Pacers, Purdue Boilermakers, Indiana Hoosiers, and other BIG 10 (I dont like that Big 10 logo that has an 11 in it) football and basketball games will bring more sales to DirecTV.
I forget....do the Colts have preseason games on WTTV-4??

Now with DirecTV, I get much more, as I discussed earlier and I dont need the sports packages to get those teams' games, but I have the NFLST, NBALP, MLBEI, and NHLCI. I will be trimming those because soon, though. MLBEI, mostly, because I do see the players going on strike.

Ray, you will also be able to get Chicago Blackhawk, Chicago White Sox, and the Chicago Cubs, if you have DirecTV's RSN Sports Pack. The only pro team to blackout will be the Bulls (unless you have the NBALP), but who watches them anyways? When I had Dish, I was unable to access any of those teams' games.

I will say that compared to Insight Comm. which was TCI back when this happened.... WTTV-4 which was UPN, was off the local cable system for 2 years while they negotiated with the station for carriage. I hope that it does not take this long for DISH to come to an agreement.

I did not live in the area at the time, but was informed by several people in the office that this was the case on several systems. I know that for a month in Muncie, they did not carry WTTV-4 and WTHR, but DISH already has WTHR's contracts. So, we might be in for a long haul on not getting WTTV-4. Granted they have a lot of local sports from college and high school, but it is not worth the costs associated with it, in my opinion. Let WTTV squirm for a bit.

On a side note, it would be nice if DISH added a superstation to the local packages which will not have their UPN or WB stations.

Here is from Dish's Retailer website with all the channels that are officially announced by Dish being added as of January 1st.

Here are the Indy locals listed:

WRTV-6 (ABC)

WISH-8 (CBS)

WXIN-59 (FOX)

WHMB-40 (IND)

WTHR-13 (NBC)

WFYI-20 (PBS)

WNDY-23 (UPN)

No mention of WTBU-69 and WTTV-4 being added.

retailer.echostar.com/pro.../index.asp (http://retailer.echostar.com/programming/descriptions/index.asp)

Thanks for that link Brian. After taking a closer look at my locals I noticed that the spanish speaking channels are on 148! Not a big deal for me but a bummer for the very large hispanic population down here.

The list I posted above was from Dish's Retailer website. I access the list below from DishNetwork.com:

WRTV-6 (ABC)

WISH-8 (CBS)

WXIN-59 (FOX)

WTHR-13 (NBC)

WAV (IND) (A minority owned TV station)

WDNI (IND)

WSOT (IND)

WIPX (PAX)

WIPB-49 (PBS) (Ball State University, Muncie, Indiana)

WTBU-69 (ETV)

WTIU (PBS)

WKOG (Religious)

WCLJ (TBN)

WTTK (WB)

WTTV-4 (WB) (Note: Dish has WTTK and WTTV listed. WTTK is WTTV-4. Its a low powered channel providing Channel 4's feed for those who cannot get Channel 4 at night)

WALV (Weather) WALV is actually WTHR-13's own Weather Channel. Mostly shows radar.

WIIH (Weather) WIIH is actually WISH-8's own Weather Channel. Mostly shows radar.

WFYI-20 (PBS)

WNDY-23 (UPN)

WHMB-40 (IND)

IMHO, the Retailer site I provided the link to earlier is the more accurate listing of the two.

Brian,

If you click on the links for each of those channels you just listed you will notice that the smaller stations are "Not Available" which mean Dish won't carry them (yet).