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Raymond255
04-22-09, 04:21 AM
Sorry if this is a long story and TMI…

I spent most of 2007 and all of 2008 dealing ill and dying parents in another state. I’m not looking for sympathy I’m just saying that by way of an explanation as to why this has dragged out so long without my taking a more active role in resolving it before now – I had neither the time nor the interest until very recently.

I have two receivers that I own. My primary receiver is a VIP 622, but my problems are with my second DVR receiver. I had a two-tuner 921 that I was using as a secondary receiver in the master bedroom. In late 2007 it started having problems and after going through the troubleshooting process with Dish they agreed to swap it out. In December of 2007 I received a two-tuner 942 as a replacement and I sent back the 921. Because of what was going on with my parents the 942 sat on my bedroom floor uninstalled until February of 2009 when I hooked it up and called Dish to activate it. That’s when my problems started. After a half hour plus on the phone with Dish with them attempting to activate it the tech put me on hold and then came back on the line to tell me that the 942 is no longer supported by Dish and could not be activated. I went with the obvious question “What do you mean you can’t activate it?!? You people sent it to me! It still looks all bight and shiny and new. I have brand new manual and remote to go with it.”

The tech reiterated that it couldn’t be activated and then she claimed that their records didn’t show the swap, didn’t show the original 921 I had, etc. etc.. At this point I was getting a little hot and asked “If you don’t show that I had two receivers then why am I still being charged for a second receiver?” She claimed that I wasn’t being charged for a second receiver, and I asked “what is the item listed as ‘addl rcvr’ on my bill for?.” At that point she had to put me on hold again (we’re now more than an hour into the call at this point). When she came back on the line she said that they could get me a replacement for the 942 and a tech would have to come out and install it and we set up an appointment. In hindsight I’m now not sure what Dish thought they were offering me – whether I was getting a leased receiver or a replacement owned receiver.

A week later the tech shows up at my door and has a single tuner non-DVR receiver to install. He didn't have a two tuner DVR on the truck that he could install for me, so he tells me he can change the work order to a DVR and come back another day. I set up another appointment and send him away.

Meanwhile between work, my first vacation in two years, dealing with my parents’ estate, my taxes, my parents’ taxes, etc. my life gets hectic again and I’ve had to reschedule my installation appointment. I now have an appointment for next week to have something installed, but I’m not sure what. I haven’t had the energy to call Dish back because I know it’s going to be at least an hour on the phone (it’s always at least an hour on the phone with them) and I’ll have to threaten to cancel service to get to a customer retention rep who can give me what I want. Here’s what I want. I want to end up with what I started with – two two-tuner DVR receivers that I own. I also want a refund for the year plus of additional receiver fees that I was charged when the 942 was sitting on my floor uninstalled. Because it was my fault that the receiver hadn’t been installed I had been willing to absorb that cost; now that I’ve found out that it couldn’t have been activated even if I had installed it I’m not as willing.

I realize that some of this isn’t Dish’s fault – the long time span certainly isn’t. But it isn’t my fault either. If the last two years have that me anything it’s that there are some things we can’t control. So now for why I’m here (other than to just vent)… What do you folks think? Should I just give up on Dish and start investigating DirectTV and cable again? Am I being completely unreasonable in what I want? Am I being too reasonable, should I ask for more? Thoughts? Comments?

ka8zay
04-22-09, 06:35 AM
Sorry for all your problems, but in fairness it's not dish's fault you didn't activate it when it was sent. IT was a good receiver at that time, that if it had been activated on your account you would have received a replacement for it when they stopped supporting it. Because you want to activate something that dish can't use anymore it's not really their fault. Technology changes, times change, new or not you had the receiver for over a year before trying to activate it, not something Dish can be blamed for. If you can get dish to credit you service fees you paid all this time that is great, but again I don't really see it as their problem, so I wouldn't expect to be credited back.

boba
04-22-09, 06:55 AM
Sorry for all your problems, but in fairness it's not dish's fault you didn't activate it when it was sent. IT was a good receiver at that time, that if it had been activated on your account you would have received a replacement for it when they stopped supporting it. Because you want to activate something that dish can't use anymore it's not really their fault. Technology changes, times change, new or not you had the receiver for over a year before trying to activate it, not something Dish can be blamed for. If you can get dish to credit you service fees you paid all this time that is great, but again I don't really see it as their problem, so I wouldn't expect to be credited back.Second those comments DISH isn't responsible for your lack of actions.

cummings66
04-22-09, 07:47 AM
I'll say that I sympathize with you, but I don't think you have a leg to stand on. All the problems you have encountered have been due to a lack of action on your part. I know you were busy, but to activate the receiver would have only taken but a moment of your time, no more time than it took to eat your breakfast.

I know you were busy, but you can't blame Dish for you not doing what you should have done and I think you will have to bear the blame here. So what you need to do is go ahead accept your situation as something of your own doing and pay the consequences for it, get the new receiver installed when the tech shows up and be done with it. You had a single tuner DVR there, they sent you a dual tuner DVR and you feel you are owed that again. I think you should accept a single tuner DVR as a replacement now, IMO only. Don't be greedy.

jclewter79
04-22-09, 08:43 AM
Thing is, if the 942 had been installed when you received it, it would have functioned as intended. At some point, around the end of last year if would have needed to be replaced with a 622 or 612 to continue to function as intended. I understand that you had gotten busy and I sympathize with you also but, it seem that apathy on your part was the main culprit of the problem. Again, it does seem that you had your priorties in the right place though. There is only one place to take a problem of the magnitude: CEO@Echostar.com. Email them and tell them everything you told us. Give them your phone number. You should receive a reply phone call or email by the end of tommorow. They will be able to tell you quickly what they can do and it will be the final word.

CABill
04-22-09, 09:35 AM
"I now have an appointment for next week to have something installed, but I’m not sure what."

I'd go ahead and call just to ask what is on that work order, without getting any deeper into the history. Different things applied to 942s at different times, and whether they were being RA'd or attempting to be activated. What I'd *expect* to happen next week is the installer would bring a 722, but wouldn't take the 942 because the 722 will be leased (no price difference on the bill). Whether it appears on your account as an owned or leased receiver may depend on what manual entry someone does.

I've no insight into the current DISH policy, but I had two owned 942s swapped into ViP receivers last year. One became a 622 from an RA on a 942. One became a 722 from an installer coming to my place (first time anyone from DISH had ever been to my house in 11 years of subscribing).

If you had activated the 942 when you got it, the bill would have included the Addl rec fee and the 921 deactivated. I'd think when they received the returned 921, they would have removed the receiver from your account but not changed any billing on the assumption that had happened when it was activated. Guesses of course.

BattleZone
04-22-09, 11:49 AM
Keep in mind that while Dish is replacing obsolete receivers like your 942 with modern receivers under the Discontinued Receiver Promotion withOUT a commitment extension, the replacement receivers are NOT owned; they are leased. You wouldn't have ended up with an owned receiver regardless.

CABill
04-22-09, 12:22 PM
You wouldn't have ended up with an owned receiver regardless.
You did end up with an owned ViP if you sent it in for RA (HDMI connector). You weren't SUPPOSED to get Owned under Discontinued receivers, but it happens. Just like it sometimes goes the other way and an owned receiver is indicated as leased.

Tron
04-28-09, 11:29 AM
I feel for you, I really do. You were basically a victim of Dish bureaucracy run amok. That 'required upgrade program' caused them to lose me as a customer--an absolute clusterF of the highest order. (wrong replacements, 'supervisor techs' that were too lazy to repoint the dish...just to name a few) Great way to inconvenience a 9 year high paying customer. Was there anything wrong with the old receivers? Of course not. Don't let anyone tell you 'oh well, technology changes--deal with it' That's not true at all especially when very old models of Dish receivers are still working right now and got updated smartcards.
It's reminds me of the new printer toner cartridges...where a chip determines when to make the cartridge unusable--even if there nothing wrong with it and plenty of toner left! Just a bureaucratic mess that you got tangled up in that's all--you did nothing wrong whatsoever--don't let people scold you for 'not activating it on time' etc. Especially a receiver that you paid for. There is a reason Dish is where it is at now...and things will only get worse--switch to Directv--I'm very happy there--for one, you will actually deal with US customer support people!

Slamminc11
04-28-09, 05:46 PM
...for one, you will actually deal with US customer support people!

you can with dish too, nice try tho! :rolleyes: