18" Dish Banned

[Tybee Bill]

Looking over the city code for my home town and they only permit dish's that are 18" or less. I knew a few councel members that will take action to fix the code but I would like to tell them approximatly when D* stopped installing them. And how they should ammend the code. I know when the MPEG2 died but I would love to point them in a smart direction (please limit the wise cracks about "Smart Councel Members").

[Grentz]

They need to get familiar with OTARD. Which sets the national rules on small dishes and antennas and overrides most local codes:
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

[Greg Alsobrook]

Actually, I believe it overrides all local codes.

Bottom line... They cannot ban any dish that is under 1 meter in diameter.

[Grentz]

Actually, I believe it overrides all local codes.

Bottom line... They cannot ban any dish that is under 1 meter in diameter.

Probably true, I put most just in case there is some loop hole or something somewhere :lol:

[qcsatguy]

I believe an 18" dish is still installed for core programming, however if hd is needed a larger kaku dish will be installed effective 10/17/07

[oldfantom]

Most is correct, they could conceivably state it can not be visible from the street if that restriction did not impede the ability to do the install or increase the cost. The local gov could also say that Pres Obama could not install a dish on the White House as it is an historical building....


The rule allows local governments, community associations and landlords to enforce restrictions that do not impair the installation, maintenance or use of the types of antennas described above, as well as restrictions needed for safety or historic preservation. Under some circumstances where a central or common antenna is available, a community association or landlord may restrict the installation of individual antennas. The rule does not apply to common areas that are owned by a landlord, a community association, or jointly by condominium or cooperative owners where the antenna user does not have an exclusive use area. Such common areas may include the roof or exterior wall of a multiple dwelling unit. Therefore, restrictions on antennas installed in or on such common areas are enforceable.

[coldsteel]

Looking over the city code for my home town and they only permit dish's that are 18" or less. I knew a few councel members that will take action to fix the code but I would like to tell them approximatly when D* stopped installing them. And how they should ammend the code. I know when the MPEG2 died but I would love to point them in a smart direction (please limit the wise cracks about "Smart Councel Members").

Any Dish customers in the town? Reason I ask is because the Dish500 is 20"...

[jasonblair]

Actually, I believe it overrides all local codes.

Bottom line... They cannot ban any dish that is under 1 meter in diameter.That's not exactly true. The federal rule provides an exception for "historic districts." I almost bought a condo in a historic district, until I found out the hoops I'd have to jump through to get a dish approved by the city's Historical Council.

The federal rule also says that local rules can limit where the dish is placed for aesthetic or safety reasons, so long as the limit is not unreasonable, and does not prohibit the owner from putting up a dish altogether.

But other than historic districts, you are right... The local authority cannot bar you from putting up a dish altogether.

[Greg Alsobrook]

That's not exactly true. The federal rule provides an exception for "historic districts." I almost bought a condo in a historic district, until I found out the hoops I'd have to jump through to get a dish approved by the city's Historical Council.

The federal rule also says that local rules can limit where the dish is placed for aesthetic or safety reasons, so long as the limit is not unreasonable, and does not prohibit the owner from putting up a dish altogether.

But other than historic districts, you are right... The local authority cannot bar you from putting up a dish altogether.

This is true. And considering the exceptions are stated in the FCC document, I think it's still true that the FCC ruling will overrule local codes in every instance.

[firefighter4evr]

Looking over the city code for my home town and they only permit dish's that are 18" or less. I knew a few councel members that will take action to fix the code but I would like to tell them approximatly when D* stopped installing them. And how they should ammend the code. I know when the MPEG2 died but I would love to point them in a smart direction (please limit the wise cracks about "Smart Councel Members").

I seen an 18" round dish being installed by Directv about 4 days ago... didn't know they stop installing them...

[RobertE]

I seen an 18" round dish being installed by Directv about 4 days ago... didn't know they stop installing them...

We haven't. 18" ODUs will be installed for some time yet.

[bobnielsen]

They will probably go away when MPEG2-only SD receivers do.

[wingrider01]

That's not exactly true. The federal rule provides an exception for "historic districts." I almost bought a condo in a historic district, until I found out the hoops I'd have to jump through to get a dish approved by the city's Historical Council.

The federal rule also says that local rules can limit where the dish is placed for aesthetic or safety reasons, so long as the limit is not unreasonable, and does not prohibit the owner from putting up a dish altogether.

But other than historic districts, you are right... The local authority cannot bar you from putting up a dish altogether.

Been there done that, can agree with the poster - there are local codes that this does not override.

[jasonblair]

This is true. And considering the exceptions are stated in the FCC document, I think it's still true that the FCC ruling will overrule local codes in every instance.You are right that federal regulations ALWAYS trump local and state codes... But in this case, the FCC rule explicitly states that local rules trump in federally recognized "historic districts."

[firefighter4evr]

We haven't. 18" ODUs will be installed for some time yet.

Me thinks they will keep installing them as long as SD is around.:D

[harsh]

Are any of you confusing 18" round dishes with the 18"h x 20"w Phase III style?

[RobertE]

Are any of you confusing 18" round dishes with the 18"h x 20"w Phase III style?

Not me. ;)

[jwd45244]

You are right that federal regulations ALWAYS trump local and state codes... But in this case, the FCC rule explicitly states that local rules trump in federally recognized "historic districts."

No, the 10th Amendment says that things not listed in the Constitution are up to the individual states. In this case, however, the OTARD rule applies

[jasonblair]

No, the 10th Amendment says that things not listed in the Constitution are up to the individual states. In this case, however, the OTARD rule appliesArticle VI, Paragraph 2 of the Constitution (widely known as the Supremacy Clause) - "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof... shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby."

[PKII]

I think its funny when DTV first came out they bragged that the dish was only 18 inches across compared to C band's and now the dishes for both DTV and Dish are starting to get as big as my C band. :lol:

[raoul5788]

I think its funny when DTV first came out they bragged that the dish was only 18 inches across compared to C band's and now the dishes for both DTV and Dish are starting to get as big as my C band. :lol:

Really? The largest Directv dish is less than 2/3 sq yd. A 6 ft c band dish is about 28 sq ft. A 10 ft one is 75+ sq ft. Just a little bit off, eh?

[PKII]

Really? The largest Directv dish is less than 2/3 sq yd. A 6 ft c band dish is about 28 sq ft. A 10 ft one is 75+ sq ft. Just a little bit off, eh?

Yeah every year they are getting bigger soon my C band is gonna look small. :lol: Reread I said "starting"

[raoul5788]

Yeah every year they are getting bigger soon my C band is gonna look small. :lol: Reread I said "starting"

I don't need to reread it, I read it the first time. 6 sq ft is hardly "starting to get as big as" 28 sq ft.