H23 / H21 / H20 - RF Antennae Question

[StevieBStrummin]

Hello . . this is my first post on DBS Talk,

Do any of these three DTV receivers have an "internal/built-in" RF antennae?

H23-600 =

H21-200 =

H20-100 =

[say-what]

The H20 does.

[Teronzhul]

No, the H20 most certainly has an external antenna. The H21 and H23 may have internal antennae like their DVR brethren, but I am not entirely certain.

[say-what]

Sorry, misunderstood - thinking OTA tuners. The H20 most certainly uses an external RF antennae. Not sure about the others.

[doctrsnoop]

my h21-200 has internal rf

[d max82]

H23-600 has internal rf

[StevieBStrummin]

Thanks everyone.

One more question.

I believe that the H23-600 will be able to process 1080P signals when the networks begin broadcasting them, but what about the H21-200 and the
H20-100, will they be able to process 1080P signals for display on my 1080P capable TV?

[BattleZone]

Thanks everyone.

One more question.

I believe that the H23-600 will be able to process 1080P signals when the networks begin broadcasting them, but what about the H21-200 and the
H20-100, will they be able to process 1080P signals for display on my 1080P capable TV?

First of all, 1080p is not an ATSC broadcast standard, and it's highly unlikely that the networks will broadcast in that format anytime soon, as they don't have the bandwidth available. It's taken 20 years of work just to get us to 720p/1080i, and the change to that is no where near complete. Further, most broadcast stations aren't even using all of their bandwidth to maximize the quality of one HD channel, but instead are running at least one subchannel. Those subchannels would have to be axed to run 1080p at anything approching an acceptable bitrate.

Second: DirecTV currently only makes 1080p content available via non-realtime transfers, because they don't have enough bandwidth to broadcast in realtime in 1080p without lowering channel count. "My Movies" are transferred at night from a hidden sat channel, but in slower-than-real-time, to HD-DVRs, and HD-DVRs connected to the Internet can download 1080p content from VoD. Other than that, nothing on DirecTV is 1080p, and not a single broadcast or cable network supplies shows in realtime in 1080p (some use the format internally).

Third: The H21/23 are expected to support 1080/24p for the purposes of using MRV to view 1080p content stored on an HR2x HD-DVR. MRV is still in testing and has not been released to the public.

[StevieBStrummin]

First of all, 1080p is not an ATSC broadcast standard, and it's highly unlikely that the networks will broadcast in that format anytime soon, as they don't have the bandwidth available. It's taken 20 years of work just to get us to 720p/1080i, and the change to that is no where near complete. Further, most broadcast stations aren't even using all of their bandwidth to maximize the quality of one HD channel, but instead are running at least one subchannel. Those subchannels would have to be axed to run 1080p at anything approching an acceptable bitrate.

Second: DirecTV currently only makes 1080p content available via non-realtime transfers, because they don't have enough bandwidth to broadcast in realtime in 1080p without lowering channel count. "My Movies" are transferred at night from a hidden sat channel, but in slower-than-real-time, to HD-DVRs, and HD-DVRs connected to the Internet can download 1080p content from VoD. Other than that, nothing on DirecTV is 1080p, and not a single broadcast or cable network supplies shows in realtime in 1080p (some use the format internally).

Third: The H21/23 are expected to support 1080/24p for the purposes of using MRV to view 1080p content stored on an HR2x HD-DVR. MRV is still in testing and has not been released to the public.

Thanks Battlezone . . . I learned a lot from your post. (BTW . . . I am going to start a thread on an HDMI handshake problem I've been experiencing, I hope you will weigh in).