Cement Bucket on Roof?

[scheckeNYK]

I am moving into an apartment building that has been opposed to me putting up a dish. They aren't amenable to mounting on the side of the building, or drilling in the roof.

Are there any alternative install styles you can think of? How unsafe would it be to have a cement filled bucket with pole unsecured on the roof? I've never really seen one so I don't know how sturdy they are. If there are any other ideas, please share.

[RobertE]

I am moving into an apartment building that has been opposed to me putting up a dish. They aren't amenable to mounting on the side of the building, or drilling in the roof.

Are there any alternative install styles you can think of? How unsafe would it be to have a cement filled bucket with pole unsecured on the roof? I've never really seen one so I don't know how sturdy they are. If there are any other ideas, please share.

Not only no, but hell no to bucket and cement on a roof.

Instead you'd want the appropriate non pen mount found here: http://search.solidsignal.com/?q=non+pen&site=com&new_search=1

[Mertzen]

Yeah, non pen for sure. Buckets are a recipe for disaster.

PM me if you have any more questions. I'm a D* tech specialized in custom jobs in the NYC area.

[scheckeNYK]

ahhhh, excellent suggestions. I didn't even know such a thing existed. If I were to pitch this idea to the management company, can anyone give me a sort of speech in a can to describe how it works and what's involved?

[Brannayen]

It's simply a metal frame that's weighed down with concrete blocks. You typically put a rubber mat under it to protect the roof. Once it's weighed down in place, the mast is leveled and the dish installed. Nothing at all is attached to the roof.

[ajc68]

I live in an apartment complex and had to do a little negotiating to get my dish up on the roof of a three story building. They would only let me do a non-pen mount, which is weighted down by bricks. And I had to have them cover the cables down the side of the building with a strip. It cost a little extra, but was so worth it. Btw, the non-pen mount survived two earthquakes in three days, a 4.7 and 4.1 respectively. While things were knocked off shelves in my apartment, the signal strength never waivered, thankfully.

[joe diamond]

I live in an apartment complex and had to do a little negotiating to get my dish up on the roof of a three story building. They would only let me do a non-pen mount, which is weighted down by bricks. And I had to have them cover the cables down the side of the building with a strip. It cost a little extra, but was so worth it. Btw, the non-pen mount survived two earthquakes in three days, a 4.7 and 4.1 respectively. While things were knocked off shelves in my apartment, the signal strength never waivered, thankfully.

The ground shake news is a tribute to the builders. I think it is more important to the people who design earth quake proof structures. The satellite(s) didn't move or everyone would report. That your building did not move is news.

Joe

[scheckeNYK]

I think we should be safe in my building. It was constructed right on top of a New York City subway station and there was a great deal of engineering that went into making a safe, shake free building. I am pretty sure they even won some awards for the engineering.

[Davenlr]

I have a 1.2m (4') dish on a non-pen mount, and it just survived a 60mph straight line wind storm that took out hundreds of trees and power lines....Dish never moved.

[Mertzen]

I have a 1.2m (4') dish on a non-pen mount, and it just survived a 60mph straight line wind storm that took out hundreds of trees and power lines....Dish never moved.

That just begs for a picture.

[tcusta00]

I have a 1.2m (4') dish on a non-pen mount, and it just survived a 60mph straight line wind storm that took out hundreds of trees and power lines....Dish never moved.

Wow, that's impressive!!

[harsh]

Wow, that's impressive!!That's the magic of someone who does their homework rather than assuming that something will work "because it just has to".

[Maleman]

Which non penetrating mount do you suggest for the slimline 3 LNB? I notice a few different ones. And are these HUGE in size?

Do I need one with a mast?

Thank u

[Mertzen]

Which non penetrating mount do you suggest for the slimline 3 LNB? I notice a few different ones. And are these HUGE in size?

Do I need one with a mast?

Thank u

The one with the mast is designed for the slimline dish. Think about 3ft by 3ft.
I have adapted the basic dish one for slimline but it isn't perfect.

[Maleman]

The one with the mast is designed for the slimline dish. Think about 3ft by 3ft.
I have adapted the basic dish one for slimline but it isn't perfect.

Thanks I will be using the slimline 3 LNB. How about that SWM? Is that easily installed on the dish? I prefer one cable to run both tuners on DVR.

[Mertzen]

Thanks I will be using the slimline 3 LNB. How about that SWM? Is that easily installed on the dish? I prefer one cable to run both tuners on DVR.

Installs same way as legacy.

[Maleman]

Installs same way as legacy.

Sorry I don't know much or anything about the "legacy" or what that refers to?

Thanks

[Talos4]

Pictured is a typical Non penetrating mount for low slope (flat) roof.

It's a triple LNB dish, but the mount is the same.

Hope this helps

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Talosfour/PB4-7-095.jpg

[Maleman]

Pictured is a typical Non penetrating mount for low slope (flat) roof.

It's a triple LNB dish, but the mount is the same.

Hope this helps

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Talosfour/PB4-7-095.jpg

Wow great picture! Thanks. So I don't need a mast then correct? My apartment roof is flat.

[Mertzen]

Wow great picture! Thanks. So I don't need a mast then correct? My apartment roof is flat.

That is the non pen mount for a basic /satC dish. It will not fit the slimline dish without modification.

A sWM LNB fits in exactly the same way as a regular one.

I would not place anon pen down without a rubber mat.

[Talos4]

Wow great picture! Thanks. So I don't need a mast then correct? My apartment roof is flat.

The mast you see comes with the dish.

All you need is the mount (sled) and a couple of CMU's. (concrete blocks)

[Talos4]

That is the non pen mount for a basic /satC dish. It will not fit the slimline dish without modification.

A sWM LNB fits in exactly the same way as a regular one.

I would not place anon pen down without a rubber mat.

Well, they do come in all kinds of different sizes

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Talosfour/NonPenMount.jpg

[Maleman]

That is the non pen mount for a basic /satC dish. It will not fit the slimline dish without modification.

A sWM LNB fits in exactly the same way as a regular one.

I would not place anon pen down without a rubber mat.

To summarize then: If I want a DVR I should get the SWM with the slimline 3 LNB? and then get a non penetrating roofmount minus the mast. I guess the dishes mast will screw into the mount?

Sorry for all the questions. You have all been great in helping me get the right equipment. :)

This is what I need correct http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=AU9-SL3-SWM along with a flat non penetratable roof mount (no mast)

[BattleZone]

All HD installs require the Slimline dish.

The Slimline dish is capable of accepting 4 different types of LNB packs, which all have some type of multiswitch built in.

The options are:

SL5 - 5 LNB, legacy 4x4 switch built in
SL3 - 3 LNB, legacy 4x4 switch built in
SL5-S - 5 LNB, SWM
SL3-S - 3 LNB, SWM

The 5 LNB is needed in areas where SD locals come from the 119 sat, or if you subscribe to Spanish or Chinese (Jade World package) channels, which also come from 119. Otherwise, only the 3 LNB is needed.

Legacy Slimline LNBs have 4 outputs. If you need more than 4 tuners, you must run all 4 lines from the LNB into a 6x8 or 6x16 multiswitch to get additional outputs.

SWM LNBs have only a single output, and support a max of 8 SWM-compatible tuners, and cannot be expanded. The SWM LNBs also do not support International programming that requires the WorldDirect dish.

[Mertzen]

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=AU9-SL3-SWM[/url] along with a flat non penetratable roof mount (no mast)

You're almost there. That is the correct dish but what you need is:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=NPR6A

and:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=SNPRMAT2

[Maleman]

The mast you see comes with the dish.

All you need is the mount (sled) and a couple of CMU's. (concrete blocks)

What is a mount sled? I just had the non pen roof mount arrive at my apartment a few minutes ago.

Do I need an extra part? Or will my slimline 3lnb and parts connect?

Thanks in advance

[BattleZone]

Non-penetrating roof mounts have a few nicknames:

- NPR
- "Sled mount" or "sled"
- "roof tray" or "tray mount"

I'm not a big fan of the slang terms, preferring NPR or "non-pen mount", but depending on where you go, people may only know what you're talking about if you use "their" slang.

[Maleman]

:grin::grin:

So what I have "flat" roof mount will work with the 3lnb dish and parts?

Thanks

[joe diamond]

:grin::grin:

So what I have "flat" roof mount will work with the 3lnb dish and parts?

Thanks

Yes, but!

The III Phase 3LNB shown first is not the same as the SL3 or the SLM3
as stressed above.

3LNB= 101, 110 & 119 (old stuff).......1.66 mast
SL3 = 99, 101, 103 (four outputs from LNB...."sees" KA sats for HD)...2"mast

SL3 S = 99, 101,103 (single wire multiswitch, 3 sats ...2" mast



The options are:

SL5 - 5 LNB, legacy 4x4 switch built in
SL3 - 3 LNB, legacy 4x4 switch built in
SL5-S - 5 LNB, SWM
SL3-S - 3 LNB, SWM

Joe

[Maleman]

Ooops I never specified that I have the "slimline 3LNB"

Am I okay for parts etc?

Thanks

[joe diamond]

Ooops I never specified that I have the "slimline 3LNB"

Am I okay for parts etc?

Thanks

Should be good.

Joe

[Maleman]

One more thing regarding my flat "roof mount" and securing the mount.

I need cinder blocks and notice two different sizes. Will the 6inch cinder blocks be fine? The larger ones will be a pain to carry around to the roof. They are 8 inches. And thicker.

Thanks

[BattleZone]

All of the mounts are designed for 8x8x16" blocks. Some places have 8x4x16" blocks that will also work, but they obviously provide less weight. Weight is what keeps the dish from moving under wind load.

Make sure you also get the rubber mat that goes underneath. This protects the roof and prevents the mount from sliding around. (Granted, the mat may not be needed in every application).

[Maleman]

Hmmm I am getting the slimline 3lnb installed tomorrow. I was just looking at all my parts including the roof mount.

This is similar to what I have: http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=DS5047

Hmmm and of course I have the dish/parts BUT aren't I missing something? Where is the dish and mast going to attatch? or How?

I think I am missing something? OR will this work with this type of mount.

Thank u