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How is it that Time Warner can put up all the HBO channels [7 in total] in HD while DirecTV only gives us two! What gives?
sigma1914
08-18-09, 08:30 AM
How is it that Time Warner can put up all the HBO channels [7 in total] in HD while DirecTV only gives us two! What gives?
Many reasons...money, contracts, choice, bandwidth, etc.
Time Warner in Dallas has ONE version of HBO in HD.
Mertzen
08-18-09, 08:40 AM
Oh no, not this again :lol:
tcusta00
08-18-09, 08:56 AM
Isn't your cable company Comcast?
How can DirecTV show just about every MLB-EI game in HD, somtimes showing both the home and away teams broadcast and TCW shows only one MLB-EI game in HD at a time?:rolleyes:
And as a prior poster mentioned we also get only 1 HBO HD channel (HBO east), no others.
Newshawk
08-18-09, 09:59 AM
Could it be because Time Warner OWNS HBO?
DirecTV recently announced, specifically with regards to Epix, that adding movie channels is not a priority for them. One could postulate that this translates to multiplex HD feeds as well.
I'm glad to have FiOS TV now but if I ever go back to sattelite this stance by DirecTV may push me towards Dish Network.
DirecTV recently announced, specifically with regards to Epix, that adding movie channels is not a priority for them. One could postulate that this translates to multiplex HD feeds as well.
I'm glad to have FiOS TV now but if I ever go back to sattelite this stance by DirecTV may push me towards Dish Network.Well if that were to happen then I hope you can get the Steelers games in Washington lol cause E* wont carry them.
Well if that were to happen then I hope you can get the Steelers games in Washington lol cause E* wont carry them.
Ah, the good old NFL ST argument - the crown jewel of DirecTV's marketing strategy.
Because they're perennially great, a lot of Steelers games are nationally televised - I count 5 in prime time alone this season. The rest I could watch in a sports bar. Inconvenient sure, but doable.
The bottom line is that I watch NFL ST 17 days out of the year and I'll be damned if I'll let 4.6% of my viewing habits dictate what TV provider I have.
Right now I have DirecTV just for NFL ST so I'm admittedly a bit of a hypocrite. But my wife allows me to do this because the savings that we realize with the FiOS triple play more than covers the added cost. If we lose FiOS (as we might when Verizon's sale to Frontier is complete in our territory) then I'll go back to satellite full time. I'll have to take a very hard look at Dish Network then. If I were to go with E*, I would drop D* altogether.
Ah, the good old NFL ST argument - the crown jewel of DirecTV's marketing strategy.
Because they're perennially great, a lot of Steelers games are nationally televised - I count 5 in prime time alone this season. The rest I could watch in a sports bar. Inconvenient sure, but doable.
The bottom line is that I watch NFL ST 17 days out of the year and I'll be damned if I'll let 4.6% of my viewing habits dictate what TV provider I have.
Right now I have DirecTV just for NFL ST so I'm admittedly a bit of a hypocrite. But my wife allows me to do this because the savings that we realize with the FiOS triple play more than covers the added cost. If we lose FiOS (as we might when Verizon's sale to Frontier is complete in our territory) then I'll go back to satellite full time. I'll have to take a very hard look at Dish Network then. If I were to go with E*, I would drop D* altogether.
Yeah but this was over a premium channel. I have not seen anything saying E* said they would carry it either. Plus wouldnt you still agree that Netflix is a better choice then another premium? I mean dont get me wrong I am curious to see what they would be showing, but find it hard to believe that it would be any better then any of the premiums alrady available and still not better then Netflix.
Ah, the good old NFL ST argument - the crown jewel of DirecTV's marketing strategy.
Because they're perennially great, a lot of Steelers games are nationally televised - I count 5 in prime time alone this season. The rest I could watch in a sports bar. Inconvenient sure, but doable.
The bottom line is that I watch NFL ST 17 days out of the year and I'll be damned if I'll let 4.6% of my viewing habits dictate what TV provider I have.
Right now I have DirecTV just for NFL ST so I'm admittedly a bit of a hypocrite. But my wife allows me to do this because the savings that we realize with the FiOS triple play more than covers the added cost. If we lose FiOS (as we might when Verizon's sale to Frontier is complete in our territory) then I'll go back to satellite full time. I'll have to take a very hard look at Dish Network then. If I were to go with E*, I would drop D* altogether.
I used to say that same thing with the Colts but you know what? I LOVED having ST last year. I dont want to go without seeing every Colts game or any big game I just want to see like now both Vikings vs Packers games this season. I would like it better if the package was cheaper but I dont really care. Its priceless really.
Yeah but this was over a premium channel. I have not seen anything saying E* said they would carry it either. Plus wouldnt you still agree that Netflix is a better choice then another premium? I mean dont get me wrong I am curious to see what they would be showing, but find it hard to believe that it would be any better then any of the premiums alrady available and still not better then Netflix.
I love movies and want maximum choice.
I have a Blu-ray player, an HD DVD player and two 400 disc DVD changers. I subscribe to Netflix and have a Roku streaming Netflix player, and I STILL subscribe to the premium movie channels.
Sometimes I just want to channel surf and watch a movie at random. And sometimes I record movies that I wouldn't have rented, or that would have been far down my queue.
As I said, I want maximum choice and right now Dish Network has more HD channels than DirecTV.
It was DirecTV's failure to add more premium HD movie channels in lieu of PPV channels that drove me to FiOS in the first place. Thank you DirecTV! (And that's not sarcasm.)
I used to say that same thing with the Colts but you know what? I LOVED having ST last year. I dont want to go without seeing every Colts game or any big game I just want to see like now both Vikings vs Packers games this season. I would like it better if the package was cheaper but I dont really care. Its priceless really.
I love NFL ST too. But as I said, I can only watch it 17 days a year. Therefore, what I can watch the other 348 takes precedence.
I love movies and want maximum choice.
I have a Blu-ray player, an HD DVD player and two 400 disc DVD changers. I subscribe to Netflix and have a Roku streaming Netflix player, and I STILL subscribe to the premium movie channels.
Sometimes I just want to channel surf and watch a movie at random. And sometimes I record movies that I wouldn't have rented, or that would have been far down my queue.
As I said, I want maximum choice and right now Dish Network has more HD channels than DirecTV.
It was DirecTV's failure to add more premium HD movie channels in lieu of PPV channels that drove me to FiOS in the first place. Thank you DirecTV! (And that's not sarcasm.)
Well we will see what happens with D12. Its a matter of time before they pass E* again. I noticed earlier someone was already asking when E* was going to launch another sat. lol. They must be worried D* is going to pass them real soon.
Well we will see what happens with D12. Its a matter of time before they pass E* again. I noticed earlier someone was already asking when E* was going to launch another sat. lol. They must be worried D* is going to pass them real soon.
Yep, I'm sure that you're right. Some of the statements that I've read indicate that after the launch D* should have the bandwidth to carry all of the currently available national HD channels. It will be interesting to see what channels they choose to carry.
Hoosier205
08-18-09, 12:59 PM
Yep, I'm sure that you're right. Some of the statements that I've read indicate that after the launch D* should have the bandwidth to carry all of the currently available national HD channels. It will be interesting to see what channels they choose to carry.
BBC America please!
How is it that Time Warner can put up all the HBO channels [7 in total] in HD while DirecTV only gives us two! What gives?
To give you the simple answer...Directv doesn't really care about the Premium channels. They'd rather focus on pushing their overpriced PPV movie channels.
In response to the original post, as others have mentioned, TWC only has 2 HBO HD channels in my area. I will admit, I'm not a movie watcher, so it wasn't why I switched to D*.
Its because TWC was too cheap to pay for any sports programming. In my area they have no NFLN, NHLN, MLBN and no HD on NHL CI. So its all back to: it depends on which provider has the HD content that you care about.
Hoosier205
08-18-09, 01:15 PM
To give you the simple answer...Directv doesn't really care about the Premium channels. They'd rather focus on pushing their overpriced PPV movie channels.
Who doesn't have overpriced PPV channels these days?
dcowboy7
08-18-09, 01:56 PM
DirecTV said until HBO starts showing movies in OAR those other HBOs can go take a long walk on a short pier. :D
DirecTV said until HBO starts showing movies in OAR those other HBOs can go take a long walk on a short pier. :D
What is OAR?
Hoosier205
08-18-09, 02:05 PM
What is OAR?
original aspect ratio
Could it be because Time Warner OWNS HBO?
That's what I've always thought, but I've been told that's wrong on boards like this. Never really got an explanation of why that's wrong.
Steve Mehs
08-18-09, 04:42 PM
How can DirecTV show just about every MLB-EI game in HD, somtimes showing both the home and away teams broadcast and TCW shows only one MLB-EI game in HD at a time?:rolleyes:
And as a prior poster mentioned we also get only 1 HBO HD channel (HBO east), no others.
While they are 1/3 owner of it, I believe that would be up to iNDemand as a whole, not Time Warner. Clearly it isn't a bandwidth problem, I'm willing to bet iNDemand is having issues with or in the process of getting set up to offer HD feeds to as many games as they can. I'd expect things to be better in a season or two.
Could it be because Time Warner OWNS HBO?
Time Warner Inc spun off Time Warner Cable months ago.
Its because TWC was too cheap to pay for any sports programming. In my area they have no NFLN, NHLN, MLBN and no HD on NHL CI. So its all back to: it depends on which provider has the HD content that you care about.
Other then the NFL Network and more HD content on the iNDemand packages we have all that here, 85 HD channels total, including many not on DirecTV currently. Including the highly demanded Travel Channel HD that we had since March 2008 and ESPN U HD that we've had for a year. Plus the premiums were recently moved into the 1100 range with room made for all of the HBOs and Cinemaxs. Only pretty much the only HD channels we don't have that DirecTV carries are the Viacom owned ones, which have very little to no HD content, HDNet, HDNet Movies and the NFL Network. TW also has contracts for Lifetime HD, WGN America HD, Investigation Discovery HD, TV One HD and maybe another channwl or two
Here's my HD line up
1002 - NBC HD
1003 - PBS HD
1004 - CBS HD
1006 - FOX HD
1007 - ABC HD
1012 - Lifetime Movie Network HD
1015 - Palladia HD
1017 - My Network TV HD
1018 - The Disney Channel HD
1019 - Disney XD HD
1020 - CNN HD
1021 - Fox News Channel HD
1022 - Fox Business News HD
1023 - The Learning Channel HD
1024 - Science Channel HD
1025 - Hallmark Movie Channel HD
1027 - CBS College Sports HD
1028 - NBA TV HD
1029 - The Weather Channel HD
1030 - HD Theater
1031 - ABC Family HD
1032 - Cartoon Network HD
1033 - TNT HD
1034 - Turner Classic Movies HD
1035 - Crime & Investigation Network HD
1036 - The Discovery Channel HD
1037 - A&E HD
1038 - Biography HD
1039 - ESPN U HD
1040 - The Travel Channel HD
1041 - ESPNews HD
1042 - The Outdoor Channel HD
1043 - MSG HD
1044 - NHL Network HD
1045 - Food Network HD
1046 - SNY HD
1047 - YES HD
1048 - Versus HD
1049 - TBS HD
1050 - CNN Headline News HD
1052 - ESPN HD
1053 - ESPN 2 HD
1054 - Universal HD
1055 - National Geographic Channel HD
1056 - HGTV HD
1057 - Planet Green HD
1058 - The Golf Channel HD
1059 - The Tennis Channel HD
1063 - History HD
1065 - Speed HD
1067 - FX HD
1068 - Animal Planet HD
1069 - MGM HD
1070 - MLB Network HD
1071 - USA Network HD
1072 - Syfi HD
1073 - CNBC HD
1074 - MSNBC HD
1075 - Bravo HD
1077 - Big Ten Network HD
1078 - American Movie Classics HD
1079 - Independent Film Channel HD
1080 - Women's Entertainment HD
1081 - Fuse HD
1082 - QVC HD
1083 - Style HD
1085 - Smithsonian HD
1086 - RFD HD
1087 - G4 HD
1088 - Tru TV HD
1100 - HBO HD
1101 - HBO 2 HD
1110 - Cinemax HD
1120 - Showtime HD
1121 - Showtime Too HD
1122 - Showtime Shocase HD
1123 - Showtime Extreme HD
1129 - Showtime HD (west)
1130 - The Movie Channel HD
1131 - The Movie Channel Xtra HD
1135 - Starz HD
1136 - Starz Edge HD
1137 - Starz Kids & Family HD
1138 - Starz Comedy HD
1140 - Encore HD
Other then the NFL Network and more HD content on the iNDemand packages we have all that here, 85 HD channels total, including many not on DirecTV currently. Including the highly demanded Travel Channel HD that we had since March 2008 and ESPN U HD that we've had for a year. Plus the premiums were recently moved into the 1100 range with room made for all of the HBOs and Cinemaxs. Only pretty much the only HD channels we don't have that DirecTV carries are the Viacom owned ones, which have very little to no HD content, HDNet, HDNet Movies and the NFL Network. TW also has contracts for Lifetime HD, WGN America HD, Investigation Discovery HD, TV One HD and maybe another channwl or twoAs has been said many times, you go with the provider that works best for you. It sounds like TW cable fits the bill for you. Where I live, TW cable only has about 35 national HD channels, 12 HD PPV and a few more with the HD tier and premiums. Take a look at the list below and you will notice no NFLN, NHLN, MLBN and no HD on NHL CI.
Also, the Travel Channel is just another HD channel that certain viewers want. I wouldn't mind it, but I can live w/o it. As far as your comments about HDNet and the NFL Network, since you don't have them you must not realize that most content is in HD. Out of your list of HD Channels that DirecTV doesn't have, the only ones I would like is CNN HLN and MSNBC.
TW Cable - Dallas
738 Weather Channel HD
740 CNN HD
741 Fox News HD
744 TBS HD
745 History HD
751 Lifetime Movie Network HD
752 Food Network HD
753 HGTV HD
754 A&E HD
755 HD Theater
756 Discovery HD
757 Animal Planet HD
758 TLC HD
759 Travel Channel HD
760 Planet Green HD
761 Science Channel HD
764 Bio HD
768 FX HD
770 TNT HD
771 National Geographic HD
774 Hallmark Movie Channel HD
775 Disney Channel HD
776 Disney XD High Definition
779 ABC Family HD
780 ESPN HD
783 ESPNews HD
784 ESPNU HD
785 ESPN2 HD
786 Versus HD
787 Fox Sports SW HD
788 Speed HD
789 Golf HD
790 CBS-C HD
797 MGM HD
805 NBC Universal HD
806 Smithsonian Channel HD
807 MavTV
810 PPV HD
815 HBO HD
825 Cinemax HD
830 Showtime HD
835 Starz HD
Steve Mehs
08-18-09, 06:31 PM
HDNet and HDNet were just removed by Time Warner at the end of May as they couldn't come to terms for a new carriage deal. So Far I've watched Smithsonian HD more in the past three months then I watched both HDNets combined in the past three years. The HDNets were great channels back in 2003, now that there's well over 100 other HD channels available, their relevancy has dipped a little bit.
BTW - I wish we had Mav TV HD as well. Looks like a cool channel.
HDNet and HDNet were just removed by Time Warner at the end of May as they couldn't come to terms for a new carriage deal. So Far I've watched Smithsonian HD more in the past three months then I watched both HDNets combined in the past three years. The HDNets were great channels back in 2003, now that there's well over 100 other HD channels available, their relevancy has dipped a little bit.
BTW - I wish we had Mav TV HD as well. Looks like a cool channel.
I would have to disagree with you on that. I watch a ton of HDNet as they have alot of MMA content. Bring on the fighters!
DirecTV said until HBO starts showing movies in OAR those other HBOs can go take a long walk on a short pier. :DI'm pretty sure that the aspect ratio on both of the HBOs is identical to the original. The difference is that on DIRECTV (and most other services), they crop it.
BTW - I wish we had Mav TV HD as well. Looks like a cool channel.MavTV is fun if you're seriously into motor racing other than the mainstream automotive stuff. I watch a whole lot of motorcycle racing (drag, road course and MX).
They have more than their share of swimsuit/fitness model shows.
Hoosier205
08-18-09, 08:31 PM
I'm pretty sure that the aspect ratio on both of the HBOs is identical to the original. The difference is that on DIRECTV (and most other services), they crop it.
What? That's not what was being referred to. The aspect ratios of almost every single film shown on any variation of HBO are altered. 2.35 films are cropped and zoomed.
[QUOTE=RACJ2;2187488]As has been said many times, you go with the provider that works best for you. It sounds like TW cable fits the bill for you. Where I live, TW cable only has about 35 national HD channels, 12 HD PPV and a few more with the HD tier and premiums. Take a look at the list below and you will notice no NFLN, NHLN, MLBN and no HD on NHL CI.
I live in Dallas and although I've never looked at TW to compare, being a sports fan ahead of movies, DTV's ST and CI HD, NFLN, NHLN, MLBN, are enough for me to stay with DTV.
I would like to see a few more HD's in DTV's lineup, like WGN, TCM. Hopefully when D12 becomes active, we'll get those added.
Hoosier205
08-18-09, 08:41 PM
HDNet and HDNet were just removed by Time Warner at the end of May as they couldn't come to terms for a new carriage deal. So Far I've watched Smithsonian HD more in the past three months then I watched both HDNets combined in the past three years. The HDNets were great channels back in 2003, now that there's well over 100 other HD channels available, their relevancy has dipped a little bit.
BTW - I wish we had Mav TV HD as well. Looks like a cool channel.
Personally, I would rather have HDNet Movies over any premium movie channel on the planet. Always in their OAR and a superior selection of films.
JoeTheDragon
08-18-09, 08:41 PM
How can DirecTV show just about every MLB-EI game in HD, somtimes showing both the home and away teams broadcast and TCW shows only one MLB-EI game in HD at a time?:rolleyes:
And as a prior poster mentioned we also get only 1 HBO HD channel (HBO east), no others.
most of sports stuff is just remaps.
cables indemand only has one* HD channel.
*They do have 3 of them but only 1 can be live at a time.
What? That's not what was being referred to. The aspect ratios of almost every single film shown on any variation of HBO are altered. 2.35 films are cropped and zoomed.Cropping and zooming are ways to preserve the aspect ratio. Aspect ratio doesn't have anything to do with the display dimensions but rather the maintenance of the relationship between height and width of objects in a scene.
While all movies are shot in wide screen, many shots were composed with an eye on transitioning to TV and as such, the extremes often aren't critical to the big picture.
paulman182
08-19-09, 04:45 AM
Personally, I would rather have HDNet Movies over any premium movie channel on the planet. Always in their OAR and a superior selection of films.
I thought they were always OAR, too, until I started watching "Gremlins 2--The New Batch." Full 16:9.
Hoosier205
08-19-09, 06:04 AM
I thought they were always OAR, too, until I started watching "Gremlins 2--The New Batch." Full 16:9.
That film is 1.85:1....so it should fill your 16:9 screen.
paulman182
08-19-09, 06:08 AM
That film is 1.85:1....so it should fill your 16:9 screen.
16:9 does not equal 1.85:1, but this is OT so I'll be quiet now.
Hoosier205
08-19-09, 06:12 AM
Cropping and zooming are ways to preserve the aspect ratio. Aspect ratio doesn't have anything to do with the display dimensions but rather the maintenance of the relationship between height and width of objects in a scene.
While all movies are shot in wide screen, many shots were composed with an eye on transitioning to TV and as such, the extremes often aren't critical to the big picture.
Cropping the sides of the picture and zooming in on the image does alter the aspect ratio. Whether you are changing a film compased in 2.35 to 1.78, 1.85, or 1.33....you are destroying the filmmakers vision. Black bars are not bad.
Here is a good read for more info: http://www.dgaquarterly.org/BACKISSUES/Summer2009/InMyOpinion/tabid/720/Default.aspx
Hoosier205
08-19-09, 06:32 AM
16:9 does not equal 1.85:1, but this is OT so I'll be quiet now.
I realize that, but with overscan many people cannot tell the difference between 1.85 and 1.78 on their displays.
DirecTV said until HBO starts showing movies in OAR those other HBOs can go take a long walk on a short pier. :D
I'll take this as sarcasm since it isn't true. If it was it would only be an excuse (and not a reason) for DirecTV not to carry more HD premium movie channels.
I'm pretty sure that the aspect ratio on both of the HBOs is identical to the original. The difference is that on DIRECTV (and most other services), they crop it.
No, not true. DirecTV and other carriers retransmit HBO HD content in the aspect ratios they receive it.
I for one don't really care if HD movies are cropped provided that they are at least 16:9. I don't need to see them in their OAR.
Laker44
08-19-09, 11:27 AM
My sister is on Time-Warner Cable in Ohio(45714 zip code),this is the HD channels they've on the lineup there.:eek:
704 WTAP HD Parkersburg, WV (NBC)
720 WOUB HD Athens, OH (PBS)
I tried to get her too sign up with DirecTV,but the start up costs are to much for her right know.So i told her to get an OTA HD antenna.
--SNIP--
720 WOUB HD Athens, OH (PBS)
--SNIP--
The Bobcats of Ohiaa!
No Mr Busdriver, not Oklahoma University!
I was in the band in 1985 & we got to go to Duke. The above conversation actually happened on the way back.
Newshawk
08-19-09, 01:38 PM
DirecTV recently announced, specifically with regards to Epix, that adding movie channels is not a priority for them. One could postulate that this translates to multiplex HD feeds as well.
I'm glad to have FiOS TV now but if I ever go back to sattelite this stance by DirecTV may push me towards Dish Network.
All I can say is, don't overanalyze DirecTV's passing on Epix.
Tubaman-Z
08-19-09, 02:21 PM
DirecTV recently announced, specifically with regards to Epix, that adding movie channels is not a priority for them. One could postulate that this translates to multiplex HD feeds as well.
Works for me. I don't - and won't - subscribe to any premiums. Bring on the nationals! (and no - I don't mean the Washington Nationals - I live in Twins country.... :) )
My sister is on Time-Warner Cable in Ohio(45714 zip code),this is the HD channels they've on the lineup there.:eek:
704 WTAP HD Parkersburg, WV (NBC)
720 WOUB HD Athens, OH (PBS)
I tried to get her too sign up with DirecTV,but the start up costs are to much for her right know.So i told her to get an OTA HD antenna.Wow, its hard to believe the difference in HD channels on TW cable, depending on where you live. Apparently no competition from FiOS or Uverse in her area.
Cable markets seem to be horribly fragmented even for the same carrier. Not surprisingly the areas where they have competition from Fios/Uverse seem to be the best in most cases and the areas where they have no competition and/or recently acquired are the worst off.
Works for me. I don't - and won't - subscribe to any premiums. Bring on the nationals! (and no - I don't mean the Washington Nationals - I live in Twins country.... :) )
Epix will be national. Oh, you mean "free" national cable channels - the ones absolutely polluted with commercials, that contain mostly upscaled 4:3 content (probably stretched to 16:9), and show movies edited for content (if at all). Pablum for middle America in other words.
Choice. I believe in choice.
How is it that Time Warner can put up all the HBO channels [7 in total] in HD while DirecTV only gives us two! What gives?
Here where I am in Maine, Time Warner Cable only offers 1 HD HBO station, the main channel. The entire cable system only offers a total of 32 HD channels, including locals.
Laker44
08-19-09, 11:55 PM
Wow, its hard to believe the difference in HD channels on TW cable, depending on where you live. Apparently no competition from FiOS or Uverse in her area.
That's correct no competition in her area.Where lives at it's about 5 miles out of town.From what her husband told me TWC took over it when Adelphi went under.I live about 10-15 miles away from her and we have 2 cable companies in the area(Suddenlink&CAS Cable) which don't offer very many HD channels either.
CAS Cable's HD Lineup
270 Universal HD
271 HGTV HD
272 Food HD
273 HD Theater
274 Palladia HD
275 Fox News HD
276 TBS HD
279 TBN HD
280 ESPN HD
281 ESPN2 HD
282 TNT HD
283 WTAP (NBC) HD
284 FOX PKB HD
285 WSAZ (NBC) HD
286 WVAH (FOX) HD
287 WCHS (ABC) HD
288 WOWK (CBS) HD
289 WPBY (PBS) HD
Suddenlink's HD Lineup
760 Home & Garden Television HD HD Plus Tier
761 Food Network HD HD Plus Tier
762 Palladia(formerly M HD) HD Plus Tier
763 National Geographic HD HD Plus Tier *
764 HDNet HD Plus Tier
765 HDNet Movies HD Plus Tier
766 Arts & Entertainment HD HD Plus Tier
767 History HD HD Plus Tier
773 ESPN HD HD Basic
774 ESPN 2 HD HD Basic
775 HD Theater HD Plus Tier
777 HBO HD East HD Premium
778 Showtime HD East HD Premium
779 Cinemax HD East HD Premium
781 WTAP-HD-NBC Parkersburg, WV HD Broadcast
782 WOWK-HD-CBS Huntington, WV HD Broadcast
783 WCHS-HD-ABC Charleston, WV HD Broadcast
784 WTAP-HD-FOX Parkersburg, WV HD Broadcast
790 Starz HD East HD Premium
797 TNT HD HD Basic
798 TBS HD HD Basic
Hoosier205
08-20-09, 07:08 AM
Epix will be national. Oh, you mean "free" national cable channels - the ones absolutely polluted with commercials, that contain mostly upscaled 4:3 content (probably stretched to 16:9), and show movies edited for content (if at all). Pablum for middle America in other words.
Choice. I believe in choice.
The only premium movie channel that can manage to did it correctly all the time is HDNet movies. Showtime is in 2nd place. Starz 3rd. HBO dead last.
http://www.dgaquarterly.org/BACKISSUES/Summer2009/InMyOpinion/tabid/720/Default.aspx
Wow, its hard to believe the difference in HD channels on TW cable, depending on where you live.
That's the advantage of satellite. Of course, cable has it's advantages too, broadband, locals are a given, etc.
The only premium movie channel that can manage to did it correctly all the time is HDNet movies. Showtime is in 2nd place. Starz 3rd. HBO dead last.
http://www.dgaquarterly.org/BACKISSUES/Summer2009/InMyOpinion/tabid/720/Default.aspx
HDNet Movies is not a premium movie channel.
Orginal aspect ratio is not all that important to me. As long as it is in HD and 16:9 I'm fine. If I was that anal, I would only watch Blu-ray discs.
Hoosier205
08-20-09, 11:03 AM
HDNet Movies is not a premium movie channel.
Orginal aspect ratio is not all that important to me. As long as it is in HD and 16:9 I'm fine. If I was that anal, I would only watch Blu-rays.
I'm paying extra for it and it's a movie channel. That may not technically be a premium, but it is to me. OAR should be important to anyone who respects film and wants to view them as intended. Not to mention the fact that the picture quality of a film is severely degraded when it is cropped and zoomed. Pan and Scan is a nightmare.
I'll respect anyone who doesn't care about OAR, but they are also the same people that these networks are catering to when they butcher a perfectly good film.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgethd.com/media/2009/08/aspectratioexplanation.jpg
thestaton
08-23-09, 10:02 AM
In my area TWC offers around 20 non premium hd channels (food network), and probably 20 premium hd channels (hbo). If one where to subscribe to this madness, with the HD receiver fees, hd programming fees, extra receiver fee, it was around $120 a month. WITHOUT internet.
Cable monopolies in general have been taking advantage of smaller towns for far to long, and it's time the madness comes to an end.
Laker44: The programming you listed is very similar to the programming offered here. It's a joke.
Because they're perennially great, a lot of Steelers games are nationally televised -
perennially?? not hardly...they went 16 years without being in the super bowl and 26 years without winning it...except for a couple easy roads (see seattle and arizona) in the last 3 years, thats all theyve had....jeez the patriots have had 3 within the last 10 years...id hardly call the steelers "perennial" contenders...its all cyclical, theyll fall back again soon....and when that happens you better have ST. maybe itll happen this year with "big" ben and his achilles problems and rape case.
perennially?? not hardly...they went 16 years without being in the super bowl and 26 years without winning it...except for a couple easy roads (see seattle and arizona) in the last 3 years, thats all theyve had....jeez the patriots have had 3 within the last 10 years...id hardly call the steelers "perennial" contenders...its all cyclical, theyll fall back again soon....and when that happens you better have ST. maybe itll happen this year with "big" ben and his achilles problems and rape case.
Yeah, whip out the civil rape accusation. That'll help your argument.
The Steelers have more Super Bowl victories than any other team, more wins over the past 33 years than any other NFL team. How do YOU define perenially great? They may not compete for a championship every year but no other team in the NFL has competed at such a high level over a longer period.
The Steelers had the hardest schedule in the NFL last year (based upon opponent's win/loss records from the previous season). This year they have a much easier schedule. Look for them to go deep, maybe even repeat - for the THIRD time in their history.
Personally I think that they could win a Super Bowl with Charlie Batch, or maybe even second year quarterback Dennis Dixon. This team is a cadillac, built to win.
And how are the Brownies and the Bungles doing? They're perennially something too. Not that we Steelers fans don't appreciate that. :D
spanishannouncetable
08-27-09, 04:23 PM
I for one don't really care if HD movies are cropped provided that they are at least 16:9. I don't need to see them in their OAR.
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Hey Reaper, good points, and I'm a Cowboys fan :eek2: It took me a while to recover from that Super Bowl loss in '79 during the Staubach / Bradshaw years, but I liked watching the Cower years and I respect Mike Tomlin big-time, also the owner family.
davidatl14
08-28-09, 06:29 AM
While I agree that the Steelers are a NFL franchise for the ages.Their fans have a glorious history to talk about and point towards, let's not go crazy with hyperbole and make absurd statements.
No the Steelers aren't capable of winning a Super Bowl with Charlie Batch or Dennis Dixon as the QB.
Make the Playoffs? Possibly with a tip of the hat to the terribly weak AFC North. As you pointed out it's always nice to have the Brownies and Bungles as 2 of your 3 Divison Mates.
Hey Reaper, good points, and I'm a Cowboys fan :eek2: It took me a while to recover from that Super Bowl loss in '79 during the Staubach / Bradshaw years, but I liked watching the Cower years and I respect Mike Tomlin big-time, also the owner family.
Scoop8: Great teams are defined by their opponents. While nowadays we Steelers fans take guff for their last two Super Bowl opponents being the Seahawks and Cardinals, those 70's matchups with the Cowboys were incredible. That Cowboys team was top flight and full of class, and worthy of respect.
While I agree that the Steelers are a NFL franchise for the ages.Their fans have a glorious history to talk about and point towards, let's not go crazy with hyperbole and make absurd statements.
No the Steelers aren't capable of winning a Super Bowl with Charlie Batch or Dennis Dixon as the QB.
Make the Playoffs? Possibly with a tip of the hat to the terribly weak AFC North. As you pointed out it's always nice to have the Brownies and Bungles as 2 of your 3 Divison Mates.
You have your opinion and I have mine - though I doubt that you follow the Steelers as closely as I do. The reality is that Ben Rothlisberger is a middle of the pack quarterback. His stats bear this out. He's never even been to a Pro Bowl. Charlie Batch is one of the best backups in the league, and Dennis Dixon is an exciting young quarterback. I doubt that there would be much of a drop off at the quarterback position. And considering their defense and (hopefully) improved running game, yeah, I think that they could get it done. It's fine that you don't.
davidatl14
08-28-09, 10:13 AM
You have your opinion and I have mine - though I doubt that you follow the Steelers as closely as I do. The reality is that Ben Rothlisberger is a middle of the pack quarterback. His stats bear this out. He's never even been to a Pro Bowl. Charlie Batch is one of the best backups in the league, and Dennis Dixon is an exciting young quarterback. I doubt that there would be much of a drop off at the quarterback position. And considering their defense and (hopefully) improved running game, yeah, I think that they could get it done. It's fine that you don't.
I follow the Steelers pretty closely. Agree with you that Roethlisberger is a middle of the pack QB, that gets a little too much credit and hype for his actual performance.
That being said though I don't think Dixon would make it through a 4 game stretch without being carted off with injury nor do I share your assessement that Batch is a top flight backup.
Also agree with you that being able to disagree civilly is what makes the NFL fun to discuss with other knowledgeable fans.:)
Scoop8: Great teams are defined by their opponents. While nowadays we Steelers fans take guff for their last two Super Bowl opponents being the Seahawks and Cardinals, those 70's matchups with the Cowboys were incredible. That Cowboys team was top flight and full of class, and worthy of respect.
Thanks, "Steeler" :) What I remember about those 70's Steelers/Cowboys matchups was that Bradshaw was a class act. I remember he was asked about those Cowboys teams and their Superbowl matchups, and he showed me a lot of class with his answer, when asked about what he thought about Staubach as a Qback compared to himself:
"Roger was the better Qback but I had the better team".
As a Cowboys fanatic back in those years, that was class from Terry B. Like you said, those 70's Steelers/'Boys superbowls were cassic. But I still cringe when I remember those 2 plays from that '79 SB game.....that 33 yrd pass interference call against Benny Barnes covering Lynn Swann, and Jackie Smith's drop of that sure TD pass from Roger. :nono2: Oh well....can't win 'em all :lol:
I will always remember Art Rooney after winning that 1st Steeler SB. I was happy for the Rooney's and the "terrible towel" fans up there.
Remember that chant during those Steeler games in the Sta? "Here we go Steelers...here we go". :joy: I just think that's :cool: to hear that in a pro sta game.
As for "guff" after that Cardinals win....All I can say is that they held off that late charge from a good team with a class Qback at the helm. 'Nuff said.
am7crew
08-28-09, 11:20 PM
How is it that Time Warner can put up all the HBO channels [7 in total] in HD while DirecTV only gives us two! What gives?
agreed, the reason I went to Dish. Not only all the HBO's in HD but the Cinemax's and Encore in HD. D* has shown no interest in following through with the press release they put out over a year promising to launch all the HBO's in HD. Its a shame cause I prefer not to pay $300.00 for NFL games (more power to those who do).
How is it that Time Warner can put up all the HBO channels [7 in total] in HD while DirecTV only gives us two! What gives?Technically DIRECTV gives you one channel of HBO in HD and its Opposite Coast counterpart. It just happens that it is the HBO that shows the fewest movies.
davidatl14
08-29-09, 04:22 AM
Technically DIRECTV gives you one channel of HBO in HD and its Opposite Coast counterpart. It just happens that it is the HBO that shows the fewest movies.
And that's a good thing.
The Premium Movie Channels showing only movies after they have been released in theaters and made available on DVD's is a slowly dying business.
Kudos to D for not tying up any addittional bandwidth.
The Premium Movie Companies that can keep producing High Quality Original Series over the next decade and show more and more of them and much less Movies will be the ones that are still around.
The ones showing more and more Second run movies will be out of business.
Kudos to D for not tying up any addittional bandwidth.Instead they hold two dozen HD channels in reserve for 160 hours a week so that they can provide NFL football coverage on Sunday. Somehow that doesn't seem equitable given the revenue per channel.
davidatl14
08-29-09, 01:14 PM
Instead they hold two dozen HD channels in reserve for 160 hours a week so that they can provide NFL football coverage on Sunday. Somehow that doesn't seem equitable given the revenue per channel.
Probably due to the difference in business strategies.
Concerning the need to remain in a thriving vibrant business(NFL) that is as popular as ever today and will still be thriving in the coming decades
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Remaining involved in a Business(Premium Movie Channels) that is dying a slow death and will not be around a decade from now.
Theatrical release, DVD release, Bluray, Netflix, RedBox, Blockbuster, Roku, PLayStation and several other names/venues/technologies I'm leaving out
have reduced the Premium Movie Channels to an afterthought in it's current state and likely portends they won't be around at all down the road.
Movie Studios and Their Respective Exec's, Writers and other assorted talents in Hollywood have figured out the least important component of their Profit Chains are the Premium Movie Channels.
D** has reacted accordingly. I guess for that matter E** has also.
Charlie doubling down on a losing hand.:lol:
Remaining involved in a Business(Premium Movie Channels) that is dying a slow death and will not be around a decade from now.
Theatrical release, DVD release, Bluray, Netflix, RedBox, Blockbuster, Roku, PLayStation and several other names/venues/technologies I'm leaving out
have reduced the Premium Movie Channels to an afterthought in it's current state and likely portends they won't be around at all down the road.
I for one, have never rented any movies, via any of the above methods, except years ago we went to theaters. We are happy just to wait and view or DVR the movies, when they appear on the Premium Movie Channels. But I will say, I only watch or DVR the ones in HD. I am sure there are many others that do the same.
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