Replace press and hold functions?

[inkahauts]

So this is a new poll to get a clearer idea of everyone's opinions on press and hold functions.

Please vote according to the options in this post.

Option 1: Replace All current press and hold functions.

For skip to tick, we already have a solution... While FFWD or REWD, hit skip or replay, and the unit will jump to the next tick mark in the direction you are already heading.

For skip to end or beginning.. while fast forwarding or rewinding, press the right arrow or the left arrow to go to the end or the beginning of the program (same idea as skip to tick)

For slow mo.. Hit pause, then press ffwd or rewd to begin slo mo playback and give each 4 speeds. Also, use skip or replay to move one frame at a time back and forth.

Option 2: Get rid of all press and hold functions, but I have a different idea on how to implement it, so see below.

Option 3: Keep all press and hold functions as they are.

[The Merg]

I definitely think that the first option is the most intuitive. It also allows for a better incorporation of a slow-motion feature.

- Merg

[MrAP]

I strongly dislike press and hold.

[bwaldron]

I'd like option 1 (with the addition, if possible, of discrete codes for these functions that could be used with third-party programmable remotes).

[elaclair]

I selected option 1, but I'd still like to keep press and hold INFO to get to the setup screen.

[drpjr]

I selected option 1, but I'd still like to keep press and hold INFO to get to the setup screen.

I also voted 1. I always forget about the INFO/ HOLD function. I can live with it but it is a bit squirrely at times. Four SLO/ MO speeds seems to be a lot but without seeing the differences it's hard to say. How much of a difference is there between 1/5 and 2/5 speed?

[hdtvfan0001]

Don't hold your breath that you're going to ever see the changes proposed...I'm just sayin'

[JACKIEGAGA]

I also hate the press and hold. If DirecTv was to get rid of press and hold how would slow-motion be implemented?

[calidelphia]

I voted option 1 as well...

Who the hell voted to keep this abomination with option 3???:confused:

[Drew2k]

Option 1 it is.

When the box was introduced, there was no skip-to-tick without press-and-hold.

When the box was introduced, there was no 30 second skip, only slip.

We now have both.

I'm just saying. :D

[rudeney]

I'd like to see press-and-hold functions go away for the simple fact that I use universal remotes and I don't like having to press, hold, release, and press to activate the feature. Or, wait, is that press, release, press, and hold? See, I can;t ever remember and that's why I dislike it!

[dreadlk]

I Voted Option 2
My solution is to assign them a new IR command and offer a new remote with more transport buttons, this new remote could also include DLB buttons to make life easier in that dept.

People who don't use these options can keep there old remote and never be bothered.

People who want the option pay $15 or so and get the new remote, knowing that they have the old one as a spare sweetens the deal.

People with universal remotes like Harmony's can just add in the extra commands.

[jal]

OPTION 3: Bring back TIVO now! All of these ideas demonstrate the flaws in the HR2xs. The OP has to come up with something to make what should be simple work. Once TIVO is back, we won't have to have polls anymore as to how to make HR2x's remote work in multiple and hard to remember key presses.

[jal]

dreadlk: In other words, bring back the TIVO peanut remote, which has the button for DLB, and doesn't need a $150 Harmony remote to make it function well.

[billsharpe]

I voted option 1 as well...

Who the hell voted to keep this abomination with option 3???:confused:

Me and six others, so far...:D

Of course I never use slo-mo, either with DirecTV or any previous DVR.

[hdtvfan0001]

I voted option 1 as well...

Who the hell voted to keep this abomination with option 3???:confused:

Anyone who realizes this poll is of little value as to what will actually be delivered.

It does have some entertainment value though.

[inkahauts]

OPTION 3: Bring back TIVO now! All of these ideas demonstrate the flaws in the HR2xs. The OP has to come up with something to make what should be simple work. Once TIVO is back, we won't have to have polls anymore as to how to make HR2x's remote work in multiple and hard to remember key presses.

dreadlk: In other words, bring back the TIVO peanut remote, which has the button for DLB, and doesn't need a $150 Harmony remote to make it function well.

I personally hate Tivo. Some love it. To each his own... But for me they are an insult to my intelligence... I'm not a 5 year and don't need a GUI that treats me like one.

With that said, Tivo has no discrete buttons for any of these things as dreadlk suggests, so what are you talking about? And where exactly is the button for DLB? I never recalling seeing a button that specifically says so, so it must be a new remote they just came out with?

And I don't like Tivos implementations of trickplay either. The HR's have more options and you don't have to reset the backdoor codes every darn time the thing has a reboot like you do on a tivo.. (probably because there is only one to alter a function rather than to enable it in the first place like Tivo makes you do for 30 skip!)

Please leave tivo out of this, because it is not a superior product, it is a different product, and when they come out, you are more than welcome to go that route if you like, but I much prefer the HR's seeing how they meet my needs far better than Tivo ever has.

Directv has shown that they are willing to make changes to functions to better their products, and they have added many things we have suggest here... And there is no prefect product in the world, otherwise no one would ever update anything. I don't think anyone buys a 150 remote to work a hr, I think they buy it so they can cut out a lot of remotes.. I haven't used a manufacture supplied remote on anything on a regular basis for years, because one remote with macros is far better when you have 10 plus components....

[Drew2k]

Me and six others, so far...:D

Of course I never use slo-mo, either with DirecTV or any previous DVR.

Anyone who realizes this poll is of little value as to what will actually be delivered.

It does have some entertainment value though.So did you vote Option 3 to skew the results or show contempt for the poll, or because you really want to leave Press and Hold functionality as it is currently implemented? :confused:

I don't think it's asking much to expect folks who don't respect a poll to abstain from voting in it ...

http://www.dbstalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19262&stc=1&d=1250965507

[hdtvfan0001]

So did you vote Option 3 to skew the results or show contempt for the poll, or because you really want to leave Press and Hold functionality as it is currently implemented? :confused:
They asked, we voted.

See no reason to change.

Simple.

[Drew2k]

They asked, we voted.

See no reason to change.

Simple.So you're affirming you like the Press and Hold functionality. Thanks, good to know for future reference. :)

[Steve]

I voted for option one, but would actually prefer this:

During FF or RW, LEFT/RIGHT ARROW skips to ticks, UP/DOWN ARROW skips to END/BEGINNING. I think that would work better with universal remotes, as well as work fine on the DirecTV remotes.

I like Inkahauts' suggestion for FF/RW variable speed slo-mo while PAUSED. I'd suggest LEFT/RIGHT ARROW for single-stepping, tho, to be consistent with above.

[dreadlk]

When you say stuff like this it gives people the opinion that anything we ask for is of little value. Is it that you know for a fact that they don't listen to requests, because this one sounds just as important as anything else I have read about! if they are not interested then most of the people on this forum are just wasting time posting.


Anyone who realizes this poll is of little value as to what will actually be delivered.

It does have some entertainment value though.

[jal]

There's a button on the TIVO remove at the upper right corner that swiches between tuners with one push.

[Halo]

One of the other benefits of ditching this horrible press-and-hold is that it will probably eliminate the "jump to the end" or "jump to the beginning" bugs when pressing skip or jump back.
Any design which tries to force a busy cpu which has many concurrent duties into trying to time a rf or ir pulse is about the stupidest implementation I have ever seen. It is absolutely no surprise the damn thing doesn't work. I haven't even tried to slo-mo in months and that's a feature I would use often if the function wasn't a joke.

While they are at it I'd like to see a rework of the also terrible frame-reverse feature. Press pause,then rewind.
Should go back 1 frame right? That's how it's advertised by their own commercial DIRECTV BASICS on channel 201. It works perfectly on their own R15 receiver.
On the HR-2X it jumps back approximately 45 frames, not one.
Oh, but the cherry on top of this turd is that to begin with it jumps FORWARD a couple seconds. Why would I want it to jump forward? I pressed Pause then Rewind.

I'm glad DLB is finally being implemented (3 years late!). Shows they aren't completely hostile to sports fans. It would be so nice to watch a sporting event and be able to use normal DVR features to slo-mo or locate a specific frame (fumble? safe at home?) without having to play button hopscotch and curse the kludge that is the user-interface.

[inkahauts]

There's a button on the TIVO remove at the upper right corner that swiches between tuners with one push.

That is the live tv button. It activates dlb, but its original purpose, and still one of the things it does always, is allow a person to get to live tv. That button only allows you to flip buffers when the system is in a certain state, otherwise it has a different function. SO as I said before, tivo does not have a dedicated DLB button or a button that is marked as DLB on the remote.

[armophob]

If they fix slo-mo so it is usable, I may sign up for more porn channels. Just sayin'

[inkahauts]

If they fix slo-mo so it is usable, I may sign up for more porn channels. Just sayin'

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[armophob]

That line belongs in the hall of fame here at DBSTalk..


:) be sure to try the veal :p

[calidelphia]

Anyone who realizes this poll is of little value as to what will actually be delivered.

It does have some entertainment value though.

To me this Poll has a ton of value...

These are basic DVR functions we're talking about. Implemented in the worst possible way.

I'm glad us whiners are here to keeep a grin on your face.:D

[calidelphia]

Me and six others, so far...:D

Of course I never use slo-mo, either with DirecTV or any previous DVR.

Slo-Mo? The only time I get Slo-Mo is coming out of trick play when the box didn't realize the first 4 times I pressed PLAY and compensated (stacked).

This isn't about slo- mo for me.

[calidelphia]

!rolling:) be sure to try the veal :p

[hdtvfan0001]

To me this Poll has a ton of value...

These are basic DVR functions we're talking about. Implemented in the worst possible way.

I'm glad us whiners are here to keeep a grin on your face.:D
Its good that you find value in the poll, but perhaps you should re-read my original statement.

There are numerous polls. Expecting them to result in something every time is not realistic. That was my point.

Having some kind of value and having value in terms of the item gaining some kind of actual result are not the same.

Also, if someone's going start a poll...they should be prepared to get an answer. It may not always be what they want to hear. Polls are certainly very useful in gaining consensus on topics where the outcome has a bearing on the results.

When Mods start a poll, it is safe to assume there is a viable reason to request the information - not to say they are the only source for that purpose. Other polls seem to be more for entertainment or perhaps general discussion/debate. Most fall into the later category, and the two should not be confused.

[richlife]

Option 1, but keep "Press and Hold Info". It also serves as a good, fast way to get to the Setup functions.

[richlife]

YES! Please sticky it -- oh-h...

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That line belongs in the hall of fame here at DBSTalk..

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[Thaedron]

Don't hold your breath that you're going to ever see the changes proposed...I'm just sayin'

Many said the same about DLB (aka DoublePlay)...

I'm just saying... :D

[hdtvfan0001]

Many said the same about DLB (aka DoublePlay)...

I'm just saying... :D
True....but we've known that was coming now for over a year. :)

Or "something better than DLB"...to be exact....:D

[SledDog]

I voted option 1 as well...

Who the hell voted to keep this abomination with option 3???:confused:

At this point, me and 15 others! I say leave it as it is. I have no problem using it. Sounds like many of the problem are "operator error". :lol:

[inkahauts]

At this point, me and 15 others! I say leave it as it is. I have no problem using it. Sounds like many of the problem are "operator error". :lol:

Jumping to the end of a program is not operator error, assure you... But more importantly, I find it odd that slo mo works they way it does. Its not as intuitive as it could be, so I see no reason not to enhance it if they can....

[Mike Bertelson]

Dang. I meant to select option one but clicked option 2 by accident...sorry.

Mike

[calidelphia]

Dang. I meant to select option one but clicked option 2 by accident...sorry.

Mike

It doesn't matter. Apparently,(or so I've been told) this poll is useless.:D

[billsharpe]

So did you vote Option 3 to skew the results or show contempt for the poll, or because you really want to leave Press and Hold functionality as it is currently implemented? :confused:

I don't think it's asking much to expect folks who don't respect a poll to abstain from voting in it ...

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I'm fine with the way it is now. And I see 15 others agree with me, whatever the reason.

[gully_foyle]

I voted to keep as is (#3).

This isn't so much as I like "press and hold" but because the DirecTV remote sends a DIFFERENT CODE on press-and-hold and my 3rd party remote knows that code. For me, it's just a button, no hold required. If it changes to a state-based operation (while FF, hit skip, etc) it actually becomes less usable for me. I suspect that I am not alone in this.

Now, if the old press-and-hold codes remain usable but some new alternative is enabled, fine, go for it.

[RACJ2]

I voted to keep as is (#3).

This isn't so much as I like "press and hold" but because the DirecTV remote sends a DIFFERENT CODE on press-and-hold and my 3rd party remote knows that code. For me, it's just a button, no hold required. Interesting, what brand of aftermarket remote would that be?

[paulman182]

I guess I shouldn't have voted because I never use these features and don't really see any use for them.

If a mod wants, erase my vote from Option 3. I just picked that choice because I see no reason to change something I don't use anyway.

[Steve]

I voted to keep as is (#3).

This isn't so much as I like "press and hold" but because the DirecTV remote sends a DIFFERENT CODE on press-and-hold and my 3rd party remote knows that code. Not sure I understand. Whatever the codes are, why would changing to an easier method (than PRESS-HOLD) to send those same commands change how your 3d party remote works?

I think what we're asking for is a way the DirecTV remote can send those same command signals as reliably as your universal does.

[dbronstein]

Interesting, what brand of aftermarket remote would that be?

I'm interested to know as well. I have a Harmony 890 and would love to be able to program a slo-mo button on it. The press and hold functions don't work at all for me.

[dbronstein]

Not sure I understand. Whatever the codes are, why would changing to an easier method (than PRESS-HOLD) to send those same commands change how your 3d party remote works?

I think what we're asking for is a way the DirecTV remote can send those same command signals as reliably as your universal does.

Because the proposed solution wouldn't have the remote send those signals. It would send the FF or RWD commands and the receiver would process them differently depending on whether it was currently in a play or pause state. The remote would have no way of knowing what state the receiver was in so it couldn't send different signals.

Ideally you would have both options - use the DTV remote with the proposed suggestion and also be able to program a universal remote with separate FF/RWD commands.

[Steve]

Because the proposed solution wouldn't have the remote send those signals. It would send the FF or RWD commands and the receiver would process them differently depending on whether it was currently in a play or pause state. The remote would have no way of knowing what state the receiver was in so it couldn't send different signals.

Ideally you would have both options - use the DTV remote with the proposed suggestion and also be able to program a universal remote with separate FF/RWD commands.So apparently right now the HR2x "listens" for either repeated presses of particular keys, or discrete codes that kcmurphy has discovered. Probably no reason a "third" method (FF/ARROW) couldn't be listened for as well.

[Syzygy]

So did you [inkahauts] vote Option 3 to skew the results or show contempt for the poll, or because you really want to leave Press and Hold functionality as it is currently implemented? :confused:
inkahauts claims he likes press-and-hold, and calls the rest of us bad operators. I don't believe him at all.

So far 19 people have said they want to leave press-and-hold the way it is. I think most of these people either didn't understand the question, or never use any of the press-and-hold functions, or are in fact showing contempt for the poll.

By the way, even if you never use any of the press-and-hold functions, you'd be showing contempt for your fellow customers if you were to say you want to leave the press-and-hold functions the way they are. (Maybe there should've been two more options: I don't understand and I don't care.)

[gully_foyle]

Interesting, what brand of aftermarket remote would that be?

one for all, hacked of course.

[gully_foyle]

Not sure I understand. Whatever the codes are, why would changing to an easier method (than PRESS-HOLD) to send those same commands change how your 3d party remote works?

I think what we're asking for is a way the DirecTV remote can send those same command signals as reliably as your universal does.

With my remote I press a key that sends one command (the same command that you have to hold a key down for on the DirecTV remore).

If instead they take that command OUT and replace it with a state-driven sequence (do this WHILE something else is happening) it becomes difficult to create a macro to replace. State-sensitive logic is always difficult to automate -- which is why on/off toggle keys are so annoying.

If they leave the HR2x boxes responding to the current commands, but also have some other (better) method of HR2x remotes, fine. No problem. But both option 1 & 2 said REMOVE the current mechanism. So I voted for #3.

[Steve]

With my remote I press a key that sends one command (the same command that you have to hold a key down for on the DirecTV remore).Isn't it a different IR command that produces the same results? Or does the DirecTV remote switch to a different IR signal once the key is held down?

Using my RX7 universal remote, and I can also press-hold REPLAY/ADVANCE to jump to BEGINNING/END, which makes me think it's the same signal. That said, I guess it's possible the RX7 mimics the DirecTV remote and does send a different signal after the key is held.

So if you're doing it with one keypress, it could be a different discrete code that someone discovered for your JP-1 remote. Following that logic, the HR2x may be capable of simultaneously recognizing different signals/key sequences to engage a particular function.

[bwaldron]

So if you're doing it with one keypress, it must be a different discrete code that someone discovered for your JP-1 remote.

Following that logic, it appears to me that the HR2x is capable of simultaneously recognizing different signals/key sequences to engage a particular function.

Yes, I would love to see discrete codes for these functions documented so that I can implement them on my programmable remote. I was certainly unaware of their existence.

[Steve]

Yes, I would love to see discrete codes for these functions documented so that I can implement them on my programmable remote. I was certainly unaware of their existence.There are some Pronto discrete codes listed here (http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=668457&postcount=10). No press-hold functions, tho.

[BAHitman]

There's a button on the TIVO remove at the upper right corner that swiches between tuners with one push.

wow... in all the years I've used my old Tivo's, I never knew that the live tv button did what the down arrow does... swap tuners... guess since the down arrow was more convenient, that's what I always used...

[ATARI]

(Maybe there should've been two more options: I don't understand and I don't care.)

No, if people don't understand or don't care, then they should not vote on the subject.

[bwaldron]

There are some Pronto discrete codes listed here (http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=668457&postcount=10). No press-hold functions, tho.

Yes, thanks, those I have seen (and used). The possible existence of "press & hold" discretes is what is news to me.

[Steve]

Yes, thanks, those I have seen (and used). The possible existence of "press & hold" discretes is what is news to me.Agree. Since KCMurphy is able to get to BEGINNING/END with one keypress on his universal remote, he's apparently doing so with an IR code that is difficult, if not impossible, to LEARN from the DirecTV remote.

Wish I had access to his remote so I could "learn" those commands onto my RX7! :)

[Syzygy]

I voted to keep as is (#3).

This isn't so much as I like "press and hold" but because the DirecTV remote sends a DIFFERENT CODE on press-and-hold and my 3rd party remote knows that code. For me, it's just a button, no hold required. If it changes to a state-based operation (while FF, hit skip, etc) it actually becomes less usable for me. I suspect that I am not alone in this.

Now, if the old press-and-hold codes remain usable but some new alternative is enabled, fine, go for it.
What brand is your 3rd party remote? I have a Harmony One, and I sure wish it could use the special code for slo-mo (in particular).

Oops, I see you later said "One for All." My follow-up question: where can I find the codes to feed my old JP1 remote? It can connect to my PC.

[RACJ2]

one for all, hacked of course.I have a "One for All", so can you please post the the code you are using for "Skip to Tick"? I currently use a macro with FF, then Skip which works, but uses up more memory.