what UPS is enough to power 722 and power inserter for at least an hour?

[quietmouse]

what UPS is enough to power 722 and power inserter for at least an hour?

I currently have one made by APC, it says 1500VA... which I previously used on my PC....

thanks! :)

[Galaxie6411]

I've got a 2000 that will not run my 622 for an hour, now it also has the TV, AV receiver, HDMI switch, cooling fan, PC and consoles running off of it BUT when I am home and the power goes out and it is recording I shut everything off and even unplug things that suck power even when off and it still will not last a full hour. I can watch TV with the stereo on with that setup for a good 15 minutes before it craps out though. What ever you get make sure it is dedicated only to the 722 and nothing else if you want the most out of it. I am thinking about getting another just to use with the 622. I would guess a 3000VA, if they are made, could work for an hour.

[BobaBird]

If this is to make sure an hour-long show gets recorded, you need to consider that 1) the system draws just as much power in stand-by as it does when on, and 2) you don't know how long before the show that a power outage may start.

[SaltiDawg]

If this is to make sure an hour-long show gets recorded, you need to consider that 1) the system draws just as much power in stand-by as it does when on, and 2) you don't know how long before the show that a power outage may start.
Excellent point!

Additionally, I would add that the 1500 VA that the original poster mentioned is not a measure of capacity to sustain an electric load but rather a measure of power rating.

[Jim5506]

Get you a backup generator.

UPS is not designed to power your equipment for extended periods of time, only to provide you with ability to swap power sources or properly shut equipment down.

[SayWhat?]

They make 3000VA UPS units, but they're expensive, something like $1,000 or more for an APC. They're designed for servers and come available as a rack mount unit. And there's no guarantee they'll last an hour or more.

Generator is the way to go for extended outages with the UPS carrying the load for a few minutes during switchover.

[Grandude]

what UPS is enough to power 722 and power inserter for at least an hour?
I currently have one made by APC, it says 1500VA... which I previously used on my PC....thanks! :)
You might want to run a test to see how long you actually have when powering just the 722 and power inserter. This would give you a guide line on deciding to try to complete a recording or cancelling out and hoping for another chance to record it.

[cdub998]

Never rely on a UPS to give you s long amount of time. As the other poster stated that is not the intended use. Plus the battery will degrade over time so even if you did get one that lasted an hour how long until the capacity of the battery won't last an hour.

[PokerJoker]

They make 3000VA UPS units, but they're expensive, something like $1,000 or more for an APC. They're designed for servers and come available as a rack mount unit. And there's no guarantee they'll last an hour or more.


Not to mention that those rack mount server UPSes tend to have LOUD fans. And, they won't plug in to a standard outlet.

It's correct that the VA rating does not tell you how long the unit will maintain power, only how large of a load it will drive. The quick way to tell how long it will run is by how much the unit weighs. More batteries = more time.

If the OP's 1500 VA unit is powering only the 722 and the PI, I wouldn't be surprised if it did last at least an hour. But like someone pointed out, how do you know when the outage will start?

In any case, a UPS is a good idea for all DVRs. I have been using the inexpensive Cyberpower ones with good success. Get the ones with AVR.

Keith

[olguy]

I have this unit APC BACK-UPS RS 1500VA LCD 120V (http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BR1500LCD&total_watts=200). Just for grins and giggles here's what the little screen tells me:

Everything off: 33 minutes
622 off and recording: 23 minutes
622 plus Tosh 65" on: 13 minutes
622 plus Tosh plus Onkyo 605: 12 minutes

YMMV (your minutes may vary):p

[thorrall]

I have used this Belkin which is made especially for AV applications:

http://catalog.belkin.com/PureAV_detail.process?Product_Id=195291

It is advertised as "up to 40 minutes" capacity so that probably wouldn't meet your criterion of an hour, but they do have units with greater capacity in the line. I suggest speaking with Belkin technical support for a definitive answer. One of the nice things about it is that it has a simulated sine wave output voltage which some AV components may be happier with than that from units primarily made for computer applications. It is also quite cost effective compared to APC units.

At my place power outages although frequent are almost always a few seconds to a few minutes. I haven't lost a recording since installing the Belkin, but the real saving has been the time required to reprogram my Pioneer Elite receiver which had lost its memory twice before I purchased the UPS despite having been plugged into a high quality surge supressor!

[DaGnome]

I have this unit APC BACK-UPS RS 1500VA LCD 120V (http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BR1500LCD&total_watts=200). Just for grins and giggles here's what the little screen tells me:

Everything off: 33 minutes
622 off and recording: 23 minutes
622 plus Tosh 65" on: 13 minutes
622 plus Tosh plus Onkyo 605: 12 minutes

YMMV (your minutes may vary):p

Just for reference, I've a 800VA of the same brand, Back-ups ES i think... and the times for me was slightly different. I only have the DVR and TV hooked up to it.. nothing else. Well the laptop had a usb cable just so I could read the software, but not power.

At half load (which is where it was at) it said something like 12minutes when new (I had just replaced the battery). At full load it quoted 7minutes.

HOWEVER.. I've noticed that if the power went out for more than about 2 minutes.. the unit will drain completely and I get the loud beeping sound from the UPS (I really need to find where to turn that off hehe)

The ONLY True way to test backup supplies, is to make sure it's fully charged, grab a stopwatch or clock, and then pull the plug from the wall and start counting. I've yet to find a unit which will run the fully displayed time.

Mostly UPCs at home are good for 2 things only: 1) Quick power drops/spikes, to prevent reboots on the DVR, or momentary loss of power to your TV, which nowadays can take quite a while to repower back on. 2) To provide 'insurance' against spikes and strikes. Most UPS will offer some sort of guarantee about damaged equipment. It's often not easy to prove, but it is better than nothing.

As others have said.. for extended amounts of time.. Generator is the way to go, but IMO that's a bit overkill for a TV show/game. Hulu is great to pick up missed episodes of things, though I'm not sure where you'd find a sports equivalent.

[olguy]

Just for reference, I've a 800VA of the same brand, Back-ups ES i think... and the times for me was slightly different. I only have the DVR and TV hooked up to it.. nothing else. Well the laptop had a usb cable just so I could read the software, but not power.

At half load (which is where it was at) it said something like 12minutes when new (I had just replaced the battery). At full load it quoted 7minutes.

HOWEVER.. I've noticed that if the power went out for more than about 2 minutes.. the unit will drain completely and I get the loud beeping sound from the UPS (I really need to find where to turn that off hehe)

The ONLY True way to test backup supplies, is to make sure it's fully charged, grab a stopwatch or clock, and then pull the plug from the wall and start counting. I've yet to find a unit which will run the fully displayed time.

Mostly UPCs at home are good for 2 things only: 1) Quick power drops/spikes, to prevent reboots on the DVR, or momentary loss of power to your TV, which nowadays can take quite a while to repower back on. 2) To provide 'insurance' against spikes and strikes. Most UPS will offer some sort of guarantee about damaged equipment. It's often not easy to prove, but it is better than nothing.

As others have said.. for extended amounts of time.. Generator is the way to go, but IMO that's a bit overkill for a TV show/game. Hulu is great to pick up missed episodes of things, though I'm not sure where you'd find a sports equivalent.
I agree completely. My generators come out out of the garage after the wind gets below 10 mph after a hurricane.:icon_lol:

[koji68]

Just ball park at 1.5 kVA a UPS would last about 5 minutes at full load.

http://www.apc.com/products/runtime_for_extendedruntime.cfm?upsfamily=310

That's your 13.6 Amps at 110V.

[SaltiDawg]

Just ball park at 1.5 kVA a UPS would last about 5 minutes at full load.

http://www.apc.com/products/runtime_for_extendedruntime.cfm?upsfamily=310

That's your 13.6 Amps at 110V.
That would be for that specific model and brand. Another brand 1.5 kVA UPS might have a battery of greater or lesse capacity.

EDIT: I now see that the number you cited applies to the OP's UPS - I'll leave my comment so that anyone with a different brand UPS realizes that their mileage may vary.

[olguy]

That would be for that specific model and brand. Another brand 1.5 kVA UPS might have a battery of greater or lesse capacity.

EDIT: I now see that the number you cited applies to the OP's UPS - I'll leave my comment so that anyone with a different brand UPS realizes that their mileage may vary.Kinda like the difference between a 2 battery boat and a 4 battery guppy boat, huh SaltiDawg? Oh wait, you weren't on a fossil fueled boat, were you? :p

[SaltiDawg]

Kinda like the difference between a 2 battery boat and a 4 battery guppy boat, huh SaltiDawg? Oh wait, you weren't on a fossil fueled boat, were you? :p
USS Quillback (SS-424) and USS Mackerel (SST-1).

I knew Qualifying in Submarines would pay off - understanding battery capacity. :lol:

But to your question, exactly!

DBF