Card Swap

[chelso]

Nobody has posted the Card Swap yet. I found this the week
of June 16. Not available to all irds.
Channel 579 Card Exchange Instructional Video. CRDEX is
showing the Dish Network Logo, with background music.
579 is showing up on 61.5 transponder 24 and on
148 transponder 15.
I think the Charlie budget has been moved to the upcoming
card swap. So put on hold, the new receivers, the FAKE
Super Dish, ESPN-HD money fees, Engineers & Programmers
consultant salary's. Consider the new future equipment to
continue to be 100 steps below D*. I'd pay extra for the D*
bells & wistles.
Charlie's right the loyal people with over $1000 invested
like me won't be going to D*, because we already went
there months ago. Upper end hi tech consumers will keep
both.

[Mike123abc]

579 must be FTA, it is not showing up on my recievers (they point to 61.5+119+110). It has been posted on here already.

DirecTV seems to do better with equipment than Dish. But, Dish now has one huge advantage that DirecTV has yet to announce a fix for. It is much more important than ESPN-HD or having HDNET on the air... It is that Dish now has secured 114 CONUS transponders to DirecTV's 46. Not to mention 52 Wing satellite transponders.

I would be more worried about DirecTV's missing announcement about more transponders than a few late recievers from Dish and the probable 30-45 day delay on ESPN-HD/HDNet on Dish's part to wait for satellites to move into position. Lets say that DirecTV gets super breakthrough compressors so they can put 2 HD channels on one transponder and people will not complain so loudly, they still have the problem of lack of transponders to allocate to HD. If they use the 3 they have at 110 they will have 6 slightly less than HD, HD channels. When they get D-7s up they will have 5 more transponders open up, so maybe a total of 16 HD channels if they dedicate them all to HD. With 105 alone Dish will have 64 HD channels.

The SuperDish was a fake at the trade show, but I am sure they are getting real ones manufactured now.

121 is sitting around waiting for a launch, 105 has a temporary satellite coming soon, with the real one launching next year. Satellite slots take a long time to secure, then you have to design and get approved a satellite, build and launch it.

[Jacob S]

Charlie Ergen mentioned earlier this year that there would be a card swap this year. I wonder how this is going to be handled for receivers that are not activated on an account.

[shilton]

Did I miss something? Are we going to swap out smart cards this year? If so, yes I am curious as to old receivers since i have 2 sitting on mothballs so to speak that I may use in the kid's room someday (If I ever get a quad first). This needs to be considedred. Anyone know what Dish's plans are???

[Cyclone]

Chelso, that is the biggest assumption I've ever heard. There is a card swap coming, so all HD, SuperDish, & receiver hardware plans have been delayed. You're crazy.

[johnsmith22]

A card swap is great news, hopefully it will slow the hackers down, they are most definately out of hand. Of five with Dish in my neighborhood only one, me, is paying for it. My neighbors think I'm crazy.

I guess the cards will only be swapped on activated, paying receivers. Anything else would defeat the object.

[awax]

Did I miss something? Are we going to swap out smart cards this year? If so, yes I am curious as to old receivers since i have 2 sitting on mothballs so to speak that I may use in the kid's room someday (If I ever get a quad first). This needs to be considedred. Anyone know what Dish's plans are???

Easy, if its not activated then your SOL or they might send you a new one free when you activate. Either way Dish shouldn't send you a new card for a ird that is not active.

[Cyclone]

John Smith 22, make sure you post again if your neighbors get stuffed. :D

[Jacob S]

I agree that Dish should not send out cards unless the receiver is activated, but I also think that they should not make the consumer pay for the card. Perhaps making the customer sign up for an x number of months per receiver in which a new card had to be sent without paying for it would be a good idea. Some would try to activate the receivers with the old cards just to get the new cards and then shut them off a short period of time later. The Dish 500 card would not need to be swapped.

[Mark Holtz]

Maybe Dish should do the following as a card replacement:

* Receivers with old cards get new cards.
* Dish should gave the user a free card with a programming commitment to a Dish Latino, AT-50, or International channel package.

HOWEVER...
* The receiver will be on a 2 week "test" period until the new cards are received (perhaps with a call of the receiver to Dish).
* There will be a $100 deposit for the first card + $50 for each additional card. The customer has to return the card within a 30 day window to Dish. The deposit would be refunded upon receipt of the cards. I believe you can do a "temporary authorization" on a credit card. Or better yet, give the customer a discount for a multi-month commitment that would commence once the old cards are received at Dish.

[Jacob S]

Customers will really really be upset about having to give a deposit for a card. They will say that it is Dish's job to stop the piracy and that they pay for the programming and should not have to pay for a card or deposit because they paid for it when they bought the system and if Dish wants it replaced they can pay for it.

Perhaps some free ppv's or a free month of a movie package on the new card would help people return the old card although that would not be needed if the signal would be shut off on the old card anyways.

[tnsprin]

Card swap? Very questionable, but I suppose possible.

Remember that a a number of the new machines are expected not to have cards at all.

[Jacob S]

The new machines are not going to have the cards because the chips that are on the cards are going to be made into the receiver with a card slot in case that chip that you normally would find on the card got compromised. A card swap has been in the works. Thats why you see Dish 500 ready on the info screen in my opinion, a mention by Charlie Ergen himself that a card swap was happening this year, and someone else saying they seen on FTA on 61.5 and 148 card swap information.

[abospaum]

Pay for a card swap? Are you nuts? We already pay $4.99/month for any more than one card. Dish claims that the extra receiver fee is to maintain their smartcard system and database. This fee is already the biggest joke.

My suggestion that I made them years ago was to come up with some new system where they could have one smartcard per household. Simplify their system and get rid of the extra receiver fees.

Most of the people I know with cable have a lot of TV's hooked up because you don't need a box on each TV. For them to have 6 TV's hooked up with Dish is a lot more than even the most expensive cable systems. Dish would double subs overnight by dropping the $4.99 fee.

If Dish wants to do a card swap they should just put the new cards in an envelope with instructions on how to activate them. Old cards will be deactivated and their numbers banned from future use.

[Mike123abc]

Did DirecTV ever finish their card swap? Or did they get stalled out when the law office they were using sent out the details on how the card worked to the local copy shop and the guy at the local copy shop made a few extra copies for hackers?

[ChrisPC]

D* is still swapping out cards, in fact, they just came out with ANOTHER card in the middle of the swap! AFAIK, the first new card is still secure, but this newest card is all D* designed, so they don't have to pay licensing to anyone.

[Jacob S]

I have heard that the first new card had already been hacked but that may not be true.