Ability to disable Skip to End

[my1423]

There are many threads on Skip to end problems and people thinking its a glitch others a nuisance.

THIS IS FOR PRESS AND HOLD slip/skip to jump to the end of program!

Many seem to want it disabled.
I am one of them. Its driving me nuts!
I think the ability to do a keyword search just like for slip vs skip should be added to disable this ....feature....

This is only for when watching recorded or delayed show and you press the slip/skip button and HOLD it will take you to the end of the show.

While in fast forward or reverse and press slip/skip Hold should still work for this is when you want the ability. NOT IN COMMERCIAL SKIPPING!

Poll

Do you have issues with skip to end of program bug on Slip/skip?
Yes I have issues with the skip to end!!
No I do not have issues with the skip to end!!

Do you want the option to disable this feature?
Yes I want the ability to disable skip to end feature!
No I do not want this option to disable skip to end.

[Mike Greer]

Yep - it is a huge pain! It seems much worse on my HR22 since the update.

The first few times it happened to me I thought maybe I was brain dead and held the button... But after months and especially the last week I know I'm not holding it down - it is just jumping!

Please just turn this broken 'feature' off!

[billsharpe]

Yep - it is a huge pain! It seems much worse on my HR22 since the update.

The first few times it happened to me I thought maybe I was brain dead and held the button... But after months and especially the last week I know I'm not holding it down - it is just jumping!

Please just turn this broken 'feature' off!

Certainly not broken for everybody. See the poll results.

[JACKIEGAGA]

My skips to the end are working just fine.

[Mike Greer]

My skip-to-the-end works - it just works when I don't want it to work!

I wonder if this is just an HR22 problem? It seems like it was one problem that a certain Rich said he had? Maybe I'm just damned!

It has skipped to the end or the next tick mark more in the last week than it has in the last year!

[David MacLeod]

I have no issues with it, but if its a user setting option I would like to see it added.

[armophob]

Please clarify your poll. Is this the hated press and hold method, or the skip to tick?

I think I can go out on a limb here and say that most everyone is unsatisfied by the press and hold methods of the remote.

[drpjr]

Which skip to end method are you talking about? The press and hold? (IMHO worthless) Or the FF/skip to tic? (works very well, again IMHO). armophob- you beat me to the punch.

[drpjr]

Please clarify your poll. Is this the hated press and hold method, or the skip to tick?

I think I can go out on a limb here and say that most everyone is unsatisfied by the press and hold methods of the remote.

That limb you are out on is an oak!:lol::D

[ThomasM]

I rarely use the skip to end function. If I decide to jump to the end of a show to delete it, I just use FF speed 4 which goes pretty darn fast!

[armophob]

That limb you are out on is an oak!:lol::D

But I just never want to be caught speaking for the whole class. Or I can expect to have my clASS handed to me in these threads.:D

[BAHitman]

I happen to like it as it is... I've never had it "jump to end" when I had not intended it to do so.

I am indifferent as to whether a feature should/should not be added to disable it... if it is, complexity is added for the user. So long as the default is that is behaves as it is now...

[my1423]

Let me clarify, I dont want to take this feature away, just modify it for those like me that have issues with it.

I have read that many dont have a problem with this but as you can see from the poll some do and the ones that do its SO annoying.

For me when you press skip for a commercial on the second or third skip it will spontaneously jump to the end. Im not holding it down. When i do want to jump to the end i have to hold it 5 seconds or so, and thats perfectly fine. Works great when i want it to! Just want the option to disable it on normal viewing so it wont happen by accident or glitch or whatever is causing it. I have a hr23-700 Stock rc64r and rc64 remotes and it seems that anything recorded in hd will do it when you are near the middle of a recording or at least near a bookmark. This gets REALLY old. I am defiantly not causing it. This is Sporadic. Sometimes it does it other times i never have an issue.

Even with this disabled you can still skip to end. When you ff or rw one quick skip press sends you to the next bookmark and holding the skip sends you to the end just like in regular mode. This works just fine and you still have the feature, just doesnt do it irregularly in normal commercial skipping.

Maybe ill post a poll for those who have this issue to see what equipment they have.

[RandCfilm]

with skip to tick it is easy enough to get to the end, when you want to.

[mdavej]

Although I've never had a problem with it, I understand it could be a source of frustration to some. I guess the bigger issue is if you make an option to turn off this one command, do you also provide options for turning off all the long press commands? That could get unwieldy pretty quick.

That being said, it sounds like you may have a problem with your receiver if it's skipping spontaneously. I routinely stack up to 20 skips on my HR20-700 and have never had a single problem, ever.

An interesting thing about the long press commands is that they are fundamentally different signals from the short press commands. In other words, a short press sends command X and a long press sends command Y, not just a long X like you would think. So for a Y command to get mixed in with your X's seems impossible unless you are actually mixing long and short presses accidentally, which you apparently aren't doing. The only other explanation is the receiver is acting as if it gets a Y, even though it sees X. I suppose some sort of bug could cause this behavior.

So at the end of the day, disabling the command amounts to a work-around for a bug. Although it would solve your problem, it would be better for D* to just fix the bug in the HR23. The bug apparently doesn't exist in the HR20.

[jmjaym]

I like the feature but it has malfunctioned on me several times and skipped to the end of a ball game I was watching as if it were live. I know I didn't hold the button down when it happened so it was definitely a malfunction.

[my1423]

I read somewhere that people with harmony remotes were majorly affected by this. They made a work around. It was to add a delay to the commands and that fixed it but made another problem of it not working for the skip to end and slow response to add skips. According to them the commands for hold and one press were the same command, just a difference in how the receiver interpreted the continuous command vs one press.

Yes i would love if they just fix it, but i have read post of this going back months and its still in the newer software.

[pretzelbag]

My HD DVR thinks I have pressed-and-held the -->| button about once a week. It almost always occurs when I am skipping commercials (30SLIP), and it always annoys the crap out of me, because I then have to rewind back to where I was, and I don't always remember the exact minute where I was in the recording.

I think my remote, which is RF, does not perform as well as when it is in IR mode, but the ability to not point the remote at the DVR outweighs the occasional remote screwup.

It usually takes me 2-4 minutes to relocate where I was in the program, depending on length of recording, and it's the most frustrating 2-4 minutes, especially if it's a sporting event and the end score is shown.

Since I don't hear of many people loving the "press-and-hold -->| to go to the end" feature (at best, people are ambivalent), I hope the feature dies a painful death in the next software release.

-pretzelbag.

[Throckmorton]

I have both an HR20 and an HR21 and I've had to completely abandon 30Slip in favor of FF because of so many undesired skip-to-ends.

I would LOVE to see this buggy feature have the ability to be disabled.

[BubblePuppy]

I have both an HR20 and an HR21 and I've had to completely abandon 30Slip in favor of FF because of so many undesired skip-to-ends.

I would LOVE to see this buggy feature have the ability to be disabled.

You can always activate the 30 sec skip, I use that, and I have never had an issue with it.

[mdavej]

I read somewhere that people with harmony remotes were majorly affected by this. They made a work around. It was to add a delay to the commands and that fixed it but made another problem of it not working for the skip to end and slow response to add skips. According to them the commands for hold and one press were the same command, just a difference in how the receiver interpreted the continuous command vs one press.

Yes i would love if they just fix it, but i have read post of this going back months and its still in the newer software.I went to a lot of trouble to get the long press commands on my harmony and am very happy with them. Of course I did all of it myself, not logitech. Apparently the logitech has it all wrong since their solution doesn't work. My solution (http://forums.logitech.com/logitech/board/message?board.id=programming&thread.id=38141) works perfectly every time, but of course logitech won't listen to me. The long and short commands are indeed different. You can hold a short command all day long and it won't do anything. If that's how logitech thinks it works, then that's a problem. Now the long command is a different story. The receiver DOES interpret it differently if it's held. In any case, this is all irrelevant. The OP has issues with the D* remotes as well. So the bug is in the receiver.

You can always activate the 30 sec skip, I use that, and I have never had an issue with it.Ahh. Now we're getting somewhere. I didn't pick up on that before. So this problem is limited to the 30sec slip, not skip. I've never had an issue with skip. I'll have to try slip and see if I get the spontaneous jump to the end.

[Thaedron]

with skip to tick it is easy enough to get to the end, when you want to.

That's how I use it and it works just ducky.

[my1423]

Thanks mdavej for the clarification. I was just reiterating what i had seen elsewhere. Maybe then this a a remote issue with the rc64r rc64 or an issue with feedback?

Did not know that it does not do it on skip. I set my dvr to skip and ill see. I have tried both before but the wife likes slip so on slip it has always been since. I wonder of all of us who has had the problem if they have switched between the 2 settings? Maybe by switching between them it causes a problem. Why i wonder this is for soo many here insist they have never had the issue and we that have seem to be on almost all hardware types. This would seem to suggest its some setting or minor issue that we have that is different and not out for the whole community.

[my1423]

I have been using skip not slip for the last week. I have not had a single skip to end problem.

This to me says its only an issue with slip.

Has anyone else out there with this issue tried changing to skip? Did it help you?

If you voted and had an issue with skip to end please post if you have previously changed from slip to skip back to slip. This will hopefully narrow it down.

[Nicholsen]

I have my HR21-100 set to "skip," and see the same problem. The jump to end (or beginning) option doesn't work reliably and should be removed. It's a minor pain when it skips to the beginning, a major pain when is skips to the end.

[tstout]

HATE this 'feature'. I have never intentionally used this function, but sadly have seen it many times while skipping through commercials. With the skip-to-tick function available, skip-to-end is really not that useful, IMHO. I know what it does, but can't envision any practical use for it.

Personally, if DirecTV did away will all the press and hold functions on the remote, I'd be okay with that.

[RACJ2]

I have the issue where my HR thinks I want to skip to next tick or end. Its mainly when I'm doing several skips in a row. I believe I do them so fast, it thinks your holding the button down.

I do like the skip to tick feature, but I use the dual key method, [FF] then [Skip] or [Rew] then [Skip back]. If they kept that feature, they could eliminate the press & hold.

[dreadlk]

I am no math professor, but why does the Poll add up to 143% of people have voted. :icon_stup

Hey is there some riggin going on here? :) Just kidding

[dreadlk]

HATE this 'feature'. I have never intentionally used this function, but sadly have seen it many times while skipping through commercials. With the skip-to-tick function available, skip-to-end is really not that useful, IMHO. I know what it does, but can't envision any practical use for it.

Personally, if DirecTV did away will all the press and hold functions on the remote, I'd be okay with that.

I HATE it also! I have had it skip me right to the final part of a show on 2 occasions and it just ruined the endings.

[MarkEHansen]

I remember once when we rented Stephen King's The Stand. I came on 4 VHS cassettes. I played 1, 2, 4 ... oops. It looked like the program took a strange jump, but we just thought we missed something in the previous parts of the show.

We waited a few years before we watched it again. On DVD this time,
no mistakes :-)

[Racer88]

Yeah removing a feature is a great way to solve the problem...let's not actually raise hell about the devs total inability to fix what's really wrong.....

key bounce and stupid press and hold functions in general is what the problem is.

NOT skip to end........




(or you could just get a Harmony (or other aftermarket remote I guess))

end of problem.

[my1423]

I am no math professor, but why does the Poll add up to 143% of people have voted. :icon_stup

Hey is there some riggin going on here? :) Just kidding


That for this poll has multiple options. If only one it would add to 100% and if everyone had voted on 2 it would be 200%


As for removing the option, i dont think removing it is a good idea. Fixing it is what should be done, but lets be realistic. They will add features, but rarely fix them. So adding an option to disable might actually get done.

As for some having the issue stilll with skip vrs slip, What model do you have?

[dreadlk]

Yeah removing a feature is a great way to solve the problem...let's not actually raise hell about the devs total inability to fix what's really wrong.....

key bounce and stupid press and hold functions in general is what the problem is.

NOT skip to end........




(or you could just get a Harmony (or other aftermarket remote I guess))

end of problem.

I do have a Harmony remote and thats not the solution.
The reason that it needs to be removed is not Stupid users, it's stupid designers who use the same buttons for multiple tasks. Skip to end is fine if they had a seperate button on the remote just for it, since they don't have that they should get rid of it.

[michaelancaster]

It's always good to have the option. Whether you use it or not should be up to the individual, not the hardware/software.

[dreadlk]

It's always good to have the option. Whether you use it or not should be up to the individual, not the hardware/software.

It's not good to have the option if the option has very limited use and is more likely to ruin a good show rather than enhance it.
Just imagine you Pay $6 for a PPV and then have it skip to the end only to see the Bad guy get killed :mad: well that has happened to me, not with a PPV but a regular movie!

The skip to end is a very stupid and useless feature. People should start posting what they use it for! The only thing I have ever found it good for is getting to the end of a show I have already watched just so I can read the credits or see the ending again. How many other uses does it have?

[Racer88]

It's obvious someone needs to remove something from somehwhere around here but it has nothing at all to do with Directv...:nono2:

[rey_1178]

i have the same issues with my HR21-100. i hate this feature. it acts up even more while the dvr is recording. then you have to rewind. i do like the feature where you press the FFWD x1 then you press the 30 skip button and it will forward to each mark or tick (sorry i forgot what it's called:grin:). an option to disable it sounds good.

also it makes no difference for me anyway when i use the harmony or the D* remote. same issue

[rey_1178]

You can always activate the 30 sec skip, I use that, and I have never had an issue with it. i will give this a try. thanks :up: