EPG Showing Wrong Descriptions

[Blowgun]

Hi,

Anyone else notice that at the 9 day extreme end of the EPG that timers have the wrong descriptions?

For example, with the EPG current, I have a Daily timer to auto tune to the 11pm news. Today being Nov 28th, all timers up to Dec 4th are correct. However, selecting Dec 5th shows a description of 'MythBusters' from Nov 26th and when you cancel out of that screen, it dumps you into the Timer schedule for 'How it's Made' for Nov 29th.

I first noticed this mix up a little over a week ago with the Sunday Storm Chasers timer which, at the time, was at the extreme end of the EPG. That timer, as I expect later with this current example, will eventually corrected itself with a later EPG update. However, it shouldn't be happening.

[SayWhat?]

I've noticed a lot of problems with the EPG, but I don't know who's responsible. I'm talking about the same day or during the current program, not 9 days out.

[Blowgun]

I certainly know what you mean about the overall quality of the EPG. For example, I have recorded this seasons MythBusters without issue for the past several weeks. However, this next Wednesday's timer wasn't showing the 6PM slot at all. Not even showing 'Incorrect Event'. Looking in the EPG showed that indeed MythBusters will air at 6PM, yet it is completely missing from the timer.

I found the easiest way to fix these EPG problems with NBR is go into 'Edit Timer' and change the 'Frequency'. I have MythBusters set to 'New Episodes', I change it to 'All Episodes' and then change it back to 'New Episodes'. This causes the receiver to rescan the EPG and find what it couldn't find the first time.

I've mentioned this before about NBR when it starts to have problems, that if you do a title search you will often find that the search will result in more airings of a given show than if you go into the NBR Timer Schedule. In other words, search will find hits in the EPG that NBR can't.

Then there is the problem when you are not live, either watching something that you recorded or when you are chasing live, that the 'Originally Aired' date is always 2155 and it's always 'Episode' 15871. A year of that stupid problem has grated everyone I know who has DISH to no end.

[Kent Taylor]

Then there is the problem when you are not live, either watching something that you recorded or when you are chasing live, that the 'Originally Aired' date is always 2155 and it's always 'Episode' 15871. A year of that stupid problem has grated everyone I know who has DISH to no end.

Where are you seeing this? What receiver do you have?

[Blowgun]

I have a 508 with P4.08 firmware, latest version as of a year ago. As I mentioned, when you are not Live, either while watching something that you recorded or when you are chasing live. If it's not Live, then the 'Originally Aired' and 'Episode' information always shows the same junk.

Lets say you are watching an episode of MythBusters that you recorded and want to know the episode number. You have two choices:

Choice #1

1. Press Stop
2. Press Cancel
3. Press Info
4. Press Cancel
5. Press Enter
6. Press Enter

Choice #2

1. Press PVR
2. Press PVR
3. Press Info
4. Press Cancel
5. Press Cancel
6. Press Cancel

I usually use choice #2 since the finger grouping is a little easier. The EKB (http://www.dishuser.org/501sw.php) reports the problem appearing in P4.07.

[SayWhat?]

Then there is the problem when you are not live, either watching something that you recorded or when you are chasing live, that the 'Originally Aired' date is always 2155 and it's always 'Episode' 15871. A year of that stupid problem has grated everyone I know who has DISH to no end.



Yup. I get that too, but I wasn't sure how to explain it. Also on a 508.

[SaltiDawg]

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In other words, search will find hits in the EPG that NBR can't.

NBR does not search for matches to the events' name in order to find events to record. Seach does in fact search for strings that you have entered.

[Blowgun]

Never the less, the issue is about how there can be inconsistent results between NBR's 'Timer Schedule' and doing a 'Search' for the same event, regardless of how either one does it, when there should be no difference.

For example, right at this moment if I go into the "How It's Made" timer and look at the 'Timer Schedule' it shows that there are 50 events within the EPG. This includes 'Event Skipped Old Episode', 'Event Skipped by Priority' and those that will record. Total, 50 events that NBR sees in the EPG.

However, if I do a 'Search' using the EPG's own spelling, which is correct, the 'Search Results' show that there are '60 matches for 'How It's Made' and there are no "Remix" episodes or anything different, only 'How It's Made' in the search results list. Total, 60 events that search sees in the EPG.

Seems clear to me that the last time the guide was updated and NBR went through the data to adjust timers it didn't find all the available shows. And, sometimes that available show is a NEW show, such as the one I described above about the MythBusters NEW episode not showing up in the 'Daily Schedule'. Had it stayed the same, NBR would have skipped the NEW episode. MythBusters won't be skipped now because I did the little trick I mentioned by toggling the 'Frequency' of the NBR timer which forced NBR to rescan the data.

This problem seems to happen more often with shows that have quite a few events taking place over the span of the EPG. Although, I wouldn't rule out single airing events, just that I have not noticed single NEW events getting lost.

As to the 'Originally Aired' date is always 2155 and it's always 'Episode' 15871, some have suggested this bug has to do with the TiVo lawsuit. If that is true, that the 'Originally Aired' and 'Episode' information is "Scrabbled" during playback or buffered, then why even include it at all or display "Temporarily unavailable" or some other nonsense. :)

Back to the topic; is there anyway to completely rebuild the EPG? Something similar, but not exactly, to deleting the EPG data and having the receiver start over completely from scratch?

Whatever the reason is, the receiver is getting confused and displaying that confusion by jumping between Timers and History data as described in the first post.

[SaltiDawg]

Never the less, the issue is about how there can be inconsistent results between NBR's 'Timer Schedule' and doing a 'Search' for the same event, regardless of how either one does it, when there should be no difference. ...
Nonsense.

You can dismiss the explanation with a "Never the less..." lol, but the fact that Name based timers do not trigger on the name of the show as displayed. For example, sometimes a seasonal show will change its name slightly at the start of a new season, but the timer from the previous season will continue to trigger on the new name. ("Terminator, The Sarah Conner Chronicles" was an example last year.

Your suggestion that "there should be no difference" is completely wrong.

[Blowgun]

You can dismiss the explanation with a "Never the less..." lol, but the fact that Name based timers do not trigger on the name of the show as displayed. For example, sometimes a seasonal show will change its name slightly at the start of a new season, but the timer from the previous season will continue to trigger on the new name. ("Terminator, The Sarah Conner Chronicles" was an example last year.

Irregardless of how it works, you are overlooking one important fact and that is there was a discrepancy of 10 airings. So, it doesn't matter whether it will find other things, it can't even find ALL of the same thing and that's the whole point.

Your suggestion that "there should be no difference" is completely wrong.

It is completely correct in the context in which it was presented.

Back to the topic; is there anyway to completely rebuild the EPG? Something similar, but not exactly, to deleting the EPG data and having the receiver start over completely from scratch?

[Kent Taylor]

Run a Check Switch.

[SaltiDawg]

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It is completely correct in the context in which it was presented.


:lol: Yeah, right.

You just don't get it. :rolleyes:

I'm out. :nono2:

Bye.

[Blowgun]

:lol: Yeah, right.

You just don't get it. :rolleyes:

I'm out. :nono2:

Bye.
If you think I don't understand what you are saying then perhaps you should try to explain it better instead of running away. From what you have said, NBR doesn't use the name of the show as a means to include it in the 'Timer Schedule'. I never said it did. What I'm saying is that regardless of how NBR works, it's not finding all the available airings of a particular show.

For example, What I'm saying is if I put 60 gallons of gas into a tank and the engine runs out of gas after 50 gallons, something is wrong no matter how the engine used the gas. OTOH, you seem to be saying that if you put 60 gallons of gas into a tank and the engine runs out after 50 gallons, that's fine because the engine didn't recognize the other 10 gallons as gas in the tank.

[Blowgun]

Run a Check Switch.
I ran the check switch from 'Menu+Menu' and it passed with green, green and red boxes (no third connected LMB). I then pressed cancel and the receiver rebooted. Hmm.

After rebooting, I then went to Menu+611 and ran the check switch from there. It correctly showed that it was going to do three test. After completing, the status showed "Satellite reception verified". Details showed:

Switch Status: Connected to a DP34 with 3 inputs
Port 1: DP Dual-1 110 Even, Odd
Port 2: DP Dual-1 119 Even, Odd
Port 3: N.C. No Connection

Went back to Live without reboot.

I'm never sure what Satellite and Transponder I should select before using Check Switch. I have a lock on Sat 119, transponder 19 with a signal strength of 50 when I ran the Menu+611 Check Switch.

Thanks

[CABill]

Never the less, the issue is about how there can be inconsistent results between NBR's 'Timer Schedule' and doing a 'Search' for the same event, regardless of how either one does it, when there should be no difference.

Using Search for a title is VERY different from what you'd get by creating a Timer for it. A Timer is restricted to the channel selected and Search doesn't care about the channel. Using your "How It's Made" example, I now find 72 with search. I can't create a timer as I don't sub to SCI, but half the search results appear as Green (available to upgrade via remote) and the SCI HD channel matches show up as Red. If I COULD set a timer for the show, I'd get either the SD or the HD for the timer, but a Search would always show both.

I can look at my Timer for "Cold Case" and it will list the shows on a single channel. But that KOVR station has 5 different entries in the EPG for each Cold Case show that appear when I search, plus the others that appear on TNT, CI, A & E, etc. The majority of the time, there should be a big difference between what is shown for a Timer and what is shown for Search.

You may have EPG problems that cause your Timer to not list episodes, but your premise that there should be no difference is incorrect.

What you have selected before you perform a Check Switch doesn't matter.